Aston Villa 0 QPR 1: Same mistake as last season?

HAAHAHAH WE ARE SHIT, I have stopped watching the villa and started watching my local team and it's much better I just came on to tell all you sheep and muppets I TOLD YOU SO. Villa will win nothing this season hahahah you loserssssssssss. Writw what you like but I have the last laugh as I'm not bothering to check on here again until we lose again suckerssss IN MON WE LAUGH

I'm not gonna lose any sleep over it. If anything, we need less matches to play so we can concentrate on the league and UEFA.... MON's a genius

Didn't watch the game, but it has to be said that the team he fielded should be beating QPR at home - unless that is Luke Young he played in midfield

Disappointing.

Hmm - a real shame that, but not a huge shock. Unfortunately it does highlight the fact that we don't yet have the required strength in depth to 'shuffle the pack'...Marlon Harewood isn't a sufficient replacement for Gabby and if either Carew or Gabby get injured during the season then our prem position will suffer.

All that being said, we have to be realistic and try and forget about this one as quickly as possible - we probably couldn't have sustained a challenge on four fronts this year anyway - and personally if there's one that I want to get knocked out of and forget about asap - it's this one.

I hope this game shows MON that we need cover upfront, Harewood is utter and complete shite. Osbourne??? We're mugs giving this guy a 3yr contract, he's a Championship player at best. I predicted in my other posts we'd get turned over tonight and i was exactly right.We cannot afford NOT to play our best team, The reserve players are just not good enough..

taglor

come on, please. this is unnecessary and only coming on when we lose is a little childish.

but you're not coming on so you wont reply. but please, everyone else - he's not coming back so don't replay also

i totally agree with the fact that we should be putting our 1xi out for this competetion, however with the side we put out 2night we should still be beating lower league sides. i havent seen/ heard the performance about2night but it obviously wasnt of the highest standards, other wise with that side (including Carew, Young, Barry and Agbonlahor) we would have got a result.

Are any of us really that bothered we're out?

We've got a lot of games to play this season and we still have a relatively small squad. One unimportant competition isn't going to be missed. And let's face it, the League Cup means almost nothing these days. Look at Spurs last season if you want more proof of that.

I'd much rather us be out now and play to full capabilities in the League and Europe.

It's true in a way - when you think about it, aside from the defence - the only changes were Osbourne for Reo-Coker and Gabby for Marlon. It's probably a bit tough to blame it all on Marlon and Osbourne (regardless of how good/utterly sh!t you think they are)....

Not good enough - you'd have thought they'd have gone out with a rocket in their asses after our disappointment last year.....

i think its as much about continuity more than anything else ..

6 players started tonight that wouldn't be expected to normally start. call it 5 (as we're not going to count guzan) - it's half the team - there is clearly going to be a break in continuity - at least when arsenal do it they do it properly - the whole team almost

We should be putting out a stronger team, but the fact remains that we had more than enough chances to get a result tonight.

Saying that, Harewood coming in for Gabby was probably one change too many. He is clearly short of match sharpness and I feel that Gabby would have at least forced the keeper into a few saves and probably would have tucked one away for us.

Harewood was wasteful, but it's probably not all his fault - he just hasn't had much pitch time recently.

what a disgrace.

PaulE, i agree ... even play young nathan

i cant see harewood still been with us in january. i could have scored 2 of his chances tonight ... probably

this is where we will fall short this season,no back up striker.we need a very good one in the january sales.anyone know where milner was tonight ?

This is Damian who thinks Gareth Barry is shit?1 lol Sell out to ole ole as bad as the corporate premier clubs, with bills mounting I couldn't care less if a bunch of millionaires lose and as for saddos trying to make out losing is godd wtf? desperate or what.

You do really care, because really it was the only cup you had a chance of winning this season, i was at the game and i have to say QPR played you off the park at times and by the looks of your team it was not weak! barry,young carew agbonglahor?? just accept you got beat by a decent team who probably will be in the prem next year or year after

Have we had this discussion before? Oh well here goes......

You need a squad. The same 13 players cannot compete on all fronts. We now have a squad. Yes some of the squad are weaker than the starting line up. But good players will not sit on the bench of a team who are not in the Top 4/Champions League.

Until we make the next level we will need to rely on the likes of Harewood in the silly games during the season. Deal with the facts and stop moping around.

Or you'll end up like Taglor.

Disappointing, but perhaps unrealistic that we could keep winning twice a week. QPR aren't to be underestimated so they should get some credit for the win.

I would like us to try the approach of starting with a strong team and then taking players off, rather than the other way round.

If we can maintain our form in the other comps, it'll soften the blow (I'm in the camp that this is a cup that's well worth going for, but we are trying to achieve other things this season). We may be glad of the rest come January.

Hope we take it out on Sunderland.

Would just like to say im gutted that we lost in the third round again tonight.I dont know who is to blame we had a decent team out,one that should be well capable of beating qpr at home.The optisim on this site is very high but when you think about it,who have we really played besides a good draw against the pool and a win over a city team minius swp and robinho we probably are going to be mid table at best.I hope im wrong,this just isnt a knee jerk reaction after this loss,i serioulsy think a top eight finish and to qualify from our uefa group would be a step in the right direction,after all we are the top spenders this season.Discuss

I think we had something like twelve shots at goal in that first half and we just couldn't put it away. Maybe four games in ten days is too much for some of the players, but for the others who've been on the bech..well, I hoped they could have taken more intiative. I feel shitty losing to any team with Fitz Hall on it.

Someone should copy and frame taglor's first post... bring it up every time he comes back in the future and tries to pass himself off as a villa supporter. What a noob.

i am sorry to say it but if we had more strenghth up front this would not have happened! mon does not have faith in marlon and if we had strikers that scored twice we would not have lost the game. there will not be many times this year villa will concede 3 goals! that will prove to be our weak point although it does not look that way now. if we had scored again against wba the game would have been dead but we never looked like it. i am not having a go and i think it is a good thing we have less games but i hope it doesn't prove to costly!!

Don't worry, you'll get a chance to put it right when we play you in the league next year!

Very disappointed about the performance tonight.
We're still two quality players short at least IMO and how we could have done with a creative midfielder and a quality striker to call upon tonight when we needed to change things and rest players.
Maybe things would have been different if we could have called upon Milner or Sidwell but these things happen and we should be prepared...especially up front.
From what i could hear tonight, Marlon had the cows arse / banjo thing going on and we couldn't hold onto possession in key areas.
It's not that good that we are out of this competition but at least we can maybe concentrate more on the other prizes now and strengthen in January.
Diego all day !

By the way Tags...what a disappointment. No need mate.

UP THE VILLA

damien you hit the nail on the head,its MON fault 6 changes is either to many or not enough,if he wanted to change that many he should have played the reserve team completely

and if osbourne plays for villa so can i

i think its about time we stopped buying half decent players and try to bring out th best in them. We need to start buying establshed quality. Our "fringe" players simply are not good enough. Also why is that we lower to teams standard and ways of playing football we should just play our own game and pummell teams like the the likes of man u and chelsea do.

we were never interested in progressing in this competition.
more £££££££££££ in the other comps and the league.

Hey stop your bleeting Villa fans. Rangers left their top scorer on the bench, also left out Lee Cook and Rammage, both first team regulars so you're not the only ones to rest players. We just know the right ones to rest !

super hoop go fuck yerself

So we lost one of four in 9 days-who cares? At least we didn't lose to Brighton on penalties after being labeled the new Chelsea! We're 4th in the league, 2 pts off the leaders, and still in the UEFA Cup, currently in control of the situation with Litex. Some of you need to lighten up. hesslehoop-you've got to get here first, mate. Liverpoool-shut it. You're a point ahead of us struggling to stay there. Anyway, its not the end. Now we'll have less to concentrate on and hopefully do well in other competitions.

Hey guys this is football results like this happen,listening to the radio commentary we did everything but score(obviously!!).
Maybe come Saturday we'll score three or four.
One result even with the changes doesn't make us a bad team.
Let's keep the feelgood factor going.
We are heading in the right direction.
Always optomistic UTV

Foot ball is a funny game enit?

We win three games away from home on the trot and then lose at home to a championship side. I'm annoyed that we didn't beat them but overall I'm not actually bothered, the league cup is just so unattractive. We could easily have won this game as well considering the chances we had, so luck just wasn't with us tonight.

I would rather see us higher up in the premiership table than winning the carling cup because the latter means nothing to me really.

Didn't see the game so didfficult to say much really.
I do think thant MON dawdling in the transfer market will cost us dearly this season.
I just pray we don't have to wait as long for a top quality striker as we did for a "reasonable quality" right back.
I wouldn't fault MON for resting a few though.This competition has lost all credibilty since we last won it and we have bigger fish to fry.It's far more important to win on Saturday and progress in the UEFA Cup.

Well this just shows how feeble our squad is to be honest and highlights the fact we still dont have big enough depth to our squad to cope. what there were 5 non first team starters in that team and we get turned over! Its hardly resting a whoile side is it. What happens when we have 5/6 injuries which will happpen at some point - we put on a performacnce like that. And to think yesterday people were saying we had a squad good enough now to challenge for the title - hilarious!

Im disappointed with the loss tonight naturally. I think if there is one competition to fail in, its this one so I'm not going to lose sleep over it either.

When fringe players are brought in for games like this, they aren't going to play the best, free flowing football every time as they aren't used to playing with each other. When everyone knows each other game you can play better as a team.

Personally I think we should have put a strong team out (minus maybe Laursen for Cuellar, Petrov for Gardner) and played it by ear.... if we are winning and look comfortable, then start bringing key 1st team players off to rest them.

Tonight proves our fringe players just aren't as good as the first team players and maybe more quality should be bought come January. (Also highlighted in the poor performance at home in 2nd leg against Odenese where I nearly fell asleep).

Roll on Sunderland, they'll get the full force of a pissed off Villa team sat!

what about barry getting the arm band,didnt see that one coming

First game I haven't seen Villa play this season so had to read the match report....

From what I read, it seems Barry missed a sitter?!? Was it really that bad? I'll see it on the highlight in 10mins I suppose

i was one of the FEW who bothered to go to the match and can handle losing but we were second to everything and fully deserved to lose.harewood and shorey were useless, i would of played young at rb and any one else at left back,i think say cuellar was the best out of a bad bunch

I would have gone but had a match of my own to play, if that was a dig at me Bluey...

thought petrov tried his best but with barry and isiah(never a prem player as long as ive got a hole in my arse)osbourne he was fighting a losing battle,agree cuellar looks good

Did Barry have another off game? He wasn't up to standard with West Brom either, kept giving it away...

he did alright first 20 mins then just faded,he also missed a good chance second half, thought he might of put a better shift in after being given the captaincy back

For Christ's sake you lot - we're out of the Carling Cup and who cares? Not me. I would take an FA cup final, a UEFA cup semi or a top 5 place in the league ahead of winning the cup without a moment of hesitation.

We played a second string team in the cup - that's what teams fighting on multiple fronts do, and for good reason. It gives some of the top players a rest and gives valuable game-time to the next tier. Ideally we'd win and be able to continue blooding developing players in the later rounds but evidently we're not yet a good enough squad to be able to guarantee a victory against a decent championship side with our 2nd string. Only the top 3 in the league are. But just because we're not there already, it does NOT mean that we should have sent our entire 1st team out there tonight after a very congested couple of weeks - we've got bigger much fish to fry, some players need a rest and others needed their chance to impress and gel into the team.

I'm seriously tiring of the oscillations between ecstacy and agony here. Get some perspective, attempt pragmatism and even if you can't manage that, aim at consistency.

To be fair, they've done exceptionally well winning 3 away matches in a week. They must be tired, travelling to Bulgaria and training in between too. Fair play to them.

in that case we should have done an arsenal and played the complete reserve team

i was not having a dig at you chris i just thought there would of been a few more fans tonight and i cannot beleive mon said on the villa site we should of won and did everything but score even wenger could of seen we were crap.MARTIN YOU NEED TO GO TO SPEC SAVERS,or i do

bluey your right i thought QPR were well worth the win

to all u bloody fans that keep sayin its an unimportant cup i think ur missing the point yeah we are havin a good season but the point is the manner in which we lost making mistakes the same as last season that MON said he wouldnt make. It also highlights frailtys in the the rest of the squad. At the end of the day a cup run is a cup run. An also a congested couple of weeks give me 20 grand a week to play 2 games a week and train for a couple of hours a day, congestion my f**kin arse

As someone mentioned above, some of the backup are either not up to it, not in MoN's plans, or a bit of both. Hopefully this result demonstrates the strengthening we need to do in January. I've only seen Osbourne play a couple of times, but it's clealr he has some way to go before he's good enough to be rotated into the first XI. That he started tonight and Routledge didn't shows that Routledge shouldn't be considered a memeber of our first team squad. MoN obviously doesn't rate him. Harewood isn't up to it, and that he didn't start against Litex shows that MoN knows this. This means we must sign another good wide player in January, and a top class striker. We could also use another right back, but at this stage that's probably the cherry on top. To prove this, here's my best guess at MoN's Villa 2nd XI. There will be gaps!


Guzan

GAP; Cuellar; Knight; Shorey

Milner; Sidwell; Osbourne; Gardner

GAP; Delfouneso

This assumes Reo-Coker and Petrov are both in the first XI, although were Milner to come in, we would have NO backup wide player. We only need these two players (three including a right back!) and we'll have quality in depth in all areas. Depending on how good these players are, we could even have a squad worthy of a top 4 side. The good news I'm hopeful that MoN shares this view, so, IF the right players are available in January, I think we can expect a couple of exciting signings.

As for the result, I would say it's a little worrying and a little disappointing, but as long as morale isn't compromised, no great damage done. I've said it before, but the League Cup is not worth winning for a great club like us, especially given that we should be qualifying for Europe through the league.

whats happened to sicknote i mean sidwell as nothing has been said about him for a few weeks?

F*ck's sake Villa! Typical. Still, if we'd not had such a good start then this result would've felt a million times worse. I understand it was a bit like our UEFA cup performances- too many poor fringe players and a big time charlie attitude.
And I've heard Harewood's finishing is getting worse by the match (is that possible??!)
Let's just do the league and fa cup double now instead

I have just read the original post by Damian and 49 replies and you know what, there's only one in all that 50 that makes any sense. The prize goes to.....No 44 Vindice...Not wanting to sound like a big head but I alluded to the same point 24 hours ago.

Get over it....Out of the Carling Cup, Prem top 4, Uefa Cup and FA Cup, which one of those would you ditch first. Who the fluck ever remembers who the Carling Cup winners are...No-one..!

Less than 24 hours ago loads of you were flying high with giddy excitement. The good thing about keeping your feet on the ground is that you don't drop to the ground. The problem with getting too frickin giddy and thinking you are unstoppable, without being really teasted, means that when you come back down to earth you fall on your frickin arse..! It's only my opinion though...what the frick do I know...?!

By the way..Welcome back taglor..In a way I hope we never hear from you again (because that would mean we will never lose!). You do make me laugh sometimes though tags..!

Ok so add 3 more posts to that 49 I mentioned, cos it took me so long to write that load of shite...!

Marlon Harewood should be left in the reserves. Shocking. So poor it's not funny. A total waste of money. MON's weakness in buy average players to make them good will not work here. Sorry Marlon you'll be gone by Christmas. MON should have bought a striker in the Summer... I've said it before it WILL come back to haunt him...

I am not too fussed.
But, it is still a little annoying.

As they say, there are bigger dogs to fry.

Oh, who bloody cares? Look...a championship side, one tipped for promotion, is really not going to be at that much of a disadvantage in any single game. So, give that whole thing a rest. What's the difference between losing to QPR and Stoke? Some people act like we lost to a pub team.

The league is the prize. If it meant sacrificing 4th place to win the FA Cup, UEFA Cup, or Carling Cup...which competition would you say is worth it? Carling Cup = games for squad players. If I have any criticism, it's that MON just didn't play the reserve squad.

The prem and euorpe are way more important. Let's hope MON learned a lesson (again). We need another quality striker.

UTV

Fair play to Rangers. Really not bothered. Happy that Cuellar looked quality if nothing else! Going to jump on the need a striker in January bandwagon as well. Dean Ashton would be a godsend, at whatever price, even Tevez? Now that would be a statement.

I'm not surprised that we lost. I didn't feel good about this game, which had all the makings of a banana peel. Still, while I wanted to advance, I'm not devastated that we didn't, as long as we continue our form in the league. Fair play to QPR. They beat us fair and square, and we didn't exactly put out our b-squad.

Agreed about the striker, but Ashton isn't the answer. He is made of glass. He has already missed several games this seasons.

Speaking of missed, I've missed Taglor's drivel. He hasn't ever made a good point on this blog, and he comes here only when Villa loses. But I prefer his silliness to the Facebook squad that has invaded this blog.

It may well be an easy thing to say, particulary after a loss, but we just dont have the fire power to manage for the whole season. Shorey and Harewood are championship players, Gardener is no right back, we need another striker anyway, even with the Hare. I know i keep beating onabout it but maybe its more visable for others after a performance like that.

Also, we have startedquite well the last two seasons only to faulter in thelast third. Same will happen again unless reinforcements are brought in.

But in the long term that result doesnt mean a thing i guess, hardly inspiring stuff though especially at home.

Am I disappointed... sure... I never like a defeat... is it the end of the world... hell no!!!
Simply means from now till the New Year we only have to play in 2 competitions rather than 3.
Worst case scenario last night in my opinion was not loosing but the possibility of having to face extra time. I was hoping for a Villa win but I honestly believe this result suits us better than if we were to win after 120mins or on pens.
Compared to the likes of Arsenal who put out a totally different team, Villa are not yet strong enough to rotate the team and keep the momentum going. Let’s face it although it would be great to win the League Cup I think Martin and Randy have bigger ambitions and are striving towards them.
3 points at the weekend and we will soon forget about Q.P.R.
I think the one major thing we can take from last night, is the one thing we all new, in January must come more cover and fingers crossed, a quality striker to challenge Gabby and Big John. I’ll take any one of Owen, Podolski, Falcao, and Ashton even Crespo or Ronaldo is worth a shot till the end of the season.
3-1 at the weekend to the Villa
The future is bright (even brighter hopefully come Jan 31st when we have a new striker and 3 or 4 new quality players to cover a still small squad!!!)

good to see some of the old names back on here. And taglor is back!!!
I think some of the "keep the faith Brigade" are missing the point as to why some are critical of last night.
Its not the going out of the carling cup or losing to a championship side. To be honest going out could beenfit us in the long run and these things happen.
Last night just highlights what a lot of us fear could lead to our season running out of steam in the later part again. we dont have the strength in depth to our squad to win games with injuries, suspensions and tiring players. Last year we didnt have the option to rotate because our squad was so threadbare. This year we have one or 2 more options but there are going to be times this season through the reasons above where 5/6 first team players are not avaailable at a time. we still dont have the depth to cope with that and last night showed that for me. Not having a half decent back up striker is ridiculous, having to play midfielders in defence at the start of a season is ridiculous.
some people on here in the last few days have even been saying we can challenge for the title - really???
And there have been other posts on here, i wont mention names but stating the time is now to say i told you so to all the moaners! Guys we have played 5 league games with everyone fit(no moaners have even doubted our first team is very competitive) it is our squad that will be put to the test later on in the season that the so called moaners complain about and have stated will cost us. If we finish the season strongly finish top 5 or 6 and the squad depth doesnt cost us then thats the time to say we told you so.

We have made a great start in the league and i really hope it continues and beleive it probably will for a while but as things stand i dont think we will finish the seaosn strongly and we will slip away.

Message to talusmanvillafan in responce to "super hoop go fuck yerself" as you said your self - "i thought QPR were well worth the win". Well they were, don't forget we were the ones that were away, playing an "inform prem team" , with our own under strength team. So you sorry sack of shit we will see you in the prem next year, that is if your season doesn't do it's usual and nose dive before Xmas and we pass you on the way up. To the rest of you more civil Villa fans , you have an exciting young team and I hope you do do well this year.

if MON didnt want to win last night,why play young and carew who are probably our most important players for sat,i said earlier in this post,6 changes is to many or not enough we should have done an arsenal a put out our reserve side at least they play regually together

piss off to ure own sorry little forum you cockny twat

I think we need to give Gabby more respect than he gets because he is dangerous everytime he plays. Without him, we wouldn't be as good...fact

Oh and I would like to point out...Man City AKA 'The richest club in the world' lost last night to a league 1 side! Makes our loss look like nothing to that! We lost to an up and coming Championship side...

Been on here all night have you Talusmanvillafan . Get yourself a life. Make sure you know what big words mean before you use them. You've never seen a twat in your life let alone tried one. Now pack your lunch box and off to school with you it's nearly 9 o'clock.

lol,i love people with delusions of grandeur,your club might have a lot of dosh,but i dont think dowie is a prem manager just as he never was a prem player,and the wolves and our inbred neieghbours will finish above you so its the play offs at best for your shitty little shepards bush club

I really do not understand why we put that team out.

The Carling Cup Final next year with Aston Villa vs ??????? would be a great day out.

Also consider, Man Utd and Arsenal do not take the early rounds seriously - so they could easily be knocked out - (I think we beat Man Utd one season 6-0). After last night three more winning rounds and AV are having a party at Wembley. MON would have played his best team in the quarters and semis - so that means if he played his best team last night and for the next round - an additional two matches for our Big Guns.

Just don't make sense.

MON is still god

UTV

The bottom line is that the 11 players that MoN put out should easily have been good enough to beat a team in a lower division. All 11 players are part of our normal match day squad of 17. The fact that we lost was down to missed chances, a poor performance and a reality check on the squad strength.

People have been blinded by our excellent season start to the huge gap between our starting 11 +2/3 and the rest.

Honestly, I could not care less that we were beaten in the mickey mouse cup. I said in a previous post (prior to the QPR game) that i'd prefer three points in the league than a league cup win! Hopefully last night will serve as a wake up call and we can stay picking up wins in the league.

Oh yeah - and pray we dont get injuries

I would much prefer the uefa cup final or challenging the top 4 , lets concentrate on those !

hahahaha! Dreamland boys! PURE UNADULTERATED DREAMLAND!

You couldn't even beat QPR! QPR FFS!!

Lets be honest, the only cup you really had a hope of winning was the Carling Cup and you have been knocked out by a Championship side on your home turf at the first time of asking! Dear oh dear!

Nevermind, I'll let you lot get back to daydreaming about being a big club.

Now to be quite honest I wouldn't bother coming onto other teams blog's but after your pathetic behaviour on the Spurs vs Villa game I just couldn't resist!

Didn't see the game - can anyone tell me how Guzan did?

And guys - we lost a game in the league cup. Not ideal, but these things happen and it's not the end of the world

We were destined to lose villa dont win three on the row? we did that in beating west brom so the luck was bound to run out??? You can't win them all people

League/Uefa/Fa-cup Remain its not that bad

Jamie - C U Next Tuesday

Taglor - I honestly think you may be a little bit retarded! Oh and by the way, after that weird outburst at the start, I think you find most users on here are gonna be glad that you don't come back on here....there is being negative and then there is being a complete and utter prick, and i'm sorry but to me you are deffo not a Villa fan!

Oh and anybody who wants to welcome back that mug.......well....your utter pricks as well!

hahaha, i see what you did there eddie. where are spurs in the league? how many points have they got? how many league games have they won?

I think the side we put out was more than capable of winning last night. Could it be us as fans who take the competition too lightly? I played a match instead of going and with only 21,000 in the stadium it surely plays into qpr's hands. I know as professionals the players should be able to play in an empty stadium and win but the buzz of a full house could have been worth at least a goal for us. The club need to find a way of attracting fans for less attractive fixtures. How about 1st round free for season ticket holders?

Toatlly agree, the team fielded should have been more that capable of beating QPR, and I do not blame MON what so ever, just a poor performance from a team that could and shuld have done better!

QPR are a good team i give them that,but we still should of beat them we had our best team

So we shouldn't care about being knocked out of the Carling Cup by QPR?

Good grief! Of course we should care, I'm livid about the defeat.

As MON said, that team was strong enough to win, they should have dispatched QPR no problem.

Let's hope this was a one off, or it wont be long before somebody is saying "Who cares we're out of every competition, the league is what is important"

The league is what's important..!

I personaly have backed MONS judegement without question since he arrived ,But i will never understand him saying I beleave our squad is strong enough to lift the cup this year after being dispatched previously in the same round. Then immediately after saying that he fields 6 reserves ? I do agree that with the chances we created up front we should have scored at least 2, but there again we have NOT paid 18 million for Robbie Keen like liverpool did and who is still yet to find the net. So field your strongest team every time is my belief irrispective of the game involved unless you have NO OTHER OPTION. Do not save them for the next premership game that being sunderland this time just in case you slip up twice..