Aston Villa roundup in no more than 180 seconds

I saw in the Mirror that Bosingwa has had his price tag dropped by Porto to £6mn. and also a 'quote' from MON saying he was keeping tabs on him and wanted it to progress in January.

'Nobody knows how it will affect his game'!!

It doesn't take a genius to realise that it won't help him return to form.

I take it that you were one of the boo-boys last weekend.

I think come January we will be in a position to bring in sum real quality. It's not a case of going and buying so called 'world class players' because at the moment we can't offer them european football but cum january we may looked destined to be in europe next season so a few class players could be on their way in!.

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Cheers for getting a link, Northern Villan.

at Astonguerilla

do you know how it will effect his game? do you know if the club have psychologists working with the squad or if maybe this will give him the kick up the backside to prove himself ..

so, when i say 'nobody knows' its a better assumption than it doesn't take a genius .. when actually it might

I think it's fairly safe to assume that booing any player will dent his confidence. Given that confidence is the issue with Petrov, who is clearly a very fine player when he's on his game, then booing him is not very clever. I think, in fact, he has given every indication that he does care...maybe it's worth the fans getting behind a player still strugglinf for form and not getting on his back.

at M4Baby .. it didn't happen with Ronaldo. The season after the Rooney incident was possibly his best for Manchester Untied. He got booed at every single ground including Old Trafford.

My point is, we don't actually know if it's having a negative effect on him. He was booed in the last game .. but HIS game started dipping a long time ago .. not just after he came on against West Ham.

Scenario for you all; if his next three games for us are a marked improvement is there an argument for then booing him if his next two games revert to forum prior to him getting booed?

Do you see where I'm going with this?

how can anyone boo a villa player. i haven't rated petrov for a while now but as soon as he plays, you support him. booing can only be a negative as he knows that if he makes a mistake, there will be thousands of people huffing and puffing.

you never boo a villa player end of story and Damian, you should really modify your opinion if your going to write on here.

at alextaylor24

i'm going to say this only once ... but where have i said i support booing players?

read the post ... i'm not saying its a good thing or a bad thing. i'm saying is does it warrant so much talk? if you actually want to guess at what i'm saying though read the part where i write
[quote]If people pay to watch Aston Villa they have the right, regardless of how we may feel as individuals, to say whatever they want about a player and we've all said some horrible things.[/quote]
that to some extent can suggest i don't support it ..
i'm saying there is no definitive answer ... there is no right or wrong if a section of the supporters want to do it. i'm saying there will always be a difference of opinion "regardless of how we may feel as individuals"

If the Ronaldo logic follows, I'm going to boo all our players at the United game. Look out for me in Block M4 - every time you all get excited when Ashley Young gets the ball, I'll be on my feet booing the bastard. Every time you applaud Carson for a decent save, I'll boo. Gabby gets a head of steam up? I'll boo him to the skies. Let's boo the team into the UEFA Cup.

at M4Baby ... my point is, lets see how he reacts to it rather than all make assumptions that it's going to have a negative impact on his game ..

It could be, and nobody knows this, exactly what he needed.

If it's not and he' still playing shit, then it's not what he needs and if he got booed again then I'd probably be saying, stop the booing .. but when such a large group do it, and they've paid to get in, to some extent they have a right. REGARDLESS OF HOW WE MAY FEEL AS INDIVIDUALS .. sorry, putting that in capitals just so people understand i might or might not actually be supporting it

Right with ya M4baby lol

re. the Ronaldo logic ... i'm not saying booing has a positive impact on [i]every[/i] player ... just that for everyone that is saying it has a negative impact, in his case it didn't and in petrovs case we don't know ... because it only just happened

Ronaldo likes being booed because he's an arrogant tw@t.

Us villa fans have got a bad rep for jumping on the back of players that are struggling for form (second to Newcastle), and I can't think of an occasion where it's worked out for us.

Don't get me wrong and don't think we should ban the boo at VP, it's very affective when directed at the opposition team or player.

I think it worked for Ronaldo because he was being booed by opposition fans. Not by his own.

at isc

Spot on.

isc has a really good point there, I agree. Fans shouldn't boo their own teams players in my opinion.

I think perhaps the position that he is being played in isn't helping him. I mean look at his performance against West Ham last year, he was the best player on the park by far! and since then perhaps O'neill has give him more of a defensive role which he dosent look comfortable with, lets face it he's not a box to box midfielder like Barry who you could play more or less anywhere on the pitch and he would'nt look out of position!. Another thing is players who are bought from differant leagues including Scotland need alot of time to settle to the pace, I believe the only leagues that are similar to the premiership are the Erdiverse and the Bundesliga cos of the phyaichality. I know petrov is'nt in this league but the likes of Drogba and Ronaldo needed at least a season or two seasons to get their feet on the ground in this country.

Damian, you play devil's advocate in saying that nobody knows for sure how it will affect the player, but somehow you have an inside line and you *know* he doesn't care. I'm intrigued how you could apparently know so little about the blindingly obvious, but know so much about the personal, innermost thoughts of Petrov??

By the way, I'm actually booing you right now..... BOOOOOOO!!! See if that helps you sort your own form out, this post was a waste of 180 seconds. I want to see a better performance from you next time!!

i was listenin to the after match comments on the radio after the game against west ham n one bloke summed it up in one when he sed we shouldnt boo our players we should get behind them n inspire them not boo them when they have hit bad form n booing our own players we may aswel stick on a west ham shirt

villafandan

the reason i know is because if i was earning £40k a week, guaranteed for 4 years, i wouldn't give a flying f&*k about what you or anyone else thought .. and from the one person i've spoken to that used to be in the game ... thats generally the opinino of most premier league footballers. especially the foreign ones

also, the point is, to play devils advocate ... otherwise there are plenty other sites you can go to to get a copy of the news you see on the official site or in fact you can go onto the official site if you want..

I don't know if he cares or not, as a professional, in his chosen career, he should be bothered that he's not playing well.

Petrov looks completely lost in most games and maybe Northern Villan is right and he's struggling to fit into the English game. But if he can't play in midfield where can he?

if booing is going to improve petrovs game then why dont we boo all the players. leave the fella alone, booing only knocks his confidence

Which ex-footballer are you referring to? who speaks on behalf of every footballer that has played in the premiership in the last 15 years.

i say next game we give him well hell of a cheer. you never know it might bring his confidence up

Damian, I must have hurt your feelings, I apologise....I can't imagine why else you'd come back with the old "if you don't like it, go somewhere else" line. But you're right, there's better sources of news, I come here for opinion (which as you state, everyone's entitled to - myself included) and I generally find your's quite interesting.

However, the point I was trying to make is that I feel you're wrong to sit on the fence on this recent booing issue. You also made a statement of fact that Petrov doesn't care... turns out that is also just your opinion based on how you would feel in his place and a conversation with one ex-pro. That's fine, that may well be the case for you... perhaps that attitude, ability aside, is why you're not earning 40k a week and Petrov is.

yeah... wot e said.

fikkin hell Damo,stirred up a hornets nest there aint ya

no villafandan, i apologise ... its just that when you posted some didn't understand and there was a post here the other day that some didn't read and i jumped before walking this time ..

as for giving him a cheer to see if that boosts his confidence .. lets not forget the booing last weekend was the first time; he's been shit for a year .. maybe his performance will turn around after the booing ..

but the reason i'm sitting on the fence on this one is because if he does come out and have a blinder ... then the booing could have been a contributing factor

I think it's a bit of a sticky situation, cos I think the only way to help Petrov recapture anywhere near the form that he shown for Celtic is to play him in the position he played in whilst at Celtic which Im led to believe was just behind the frontman. And since that game at Upton Park last year I don't believe Ive seen him play in that kind of position again. Now dose O'neill risk distrupting the team to play him in this position, that I don't believe he wants to do. I hope Petrov gets more oppourtunities to try and prove his quality! after all he's a Villa player and is out their to represent us! I don't think it's lack of effort, it's just all about confidence and at the minute he has got none!

UP THE VILLA!

Booing could help spur him on but it could also demotivate him still further, along with some other players, particularly Maloney. My belief is that it might work but I don't think it's worth the risk. I don't subscribe to the theory he doesn't care and I think, like others, he needs to play in his best position so that, hopefully, he can put in some good shows and then have the confidence to 'fit in' to other formats. In other words, play him as an attacking midfielder or not at all, for the time being.

another issue is that opposition clubs an fans wud delight in hearing supporters booin their own players. that is one satisfaction i would loathe to giv to rivals.

I dont think Petrov has by any means proved himself at Villa and hasnt played at all well this season, but last season he showed glipses of what he can do. He has admitted he is not playing well enough to get into the team and for that i respect him. It takes a big man to say yes i dont deserve to be in the team and its amazing with most footballers egos the size they are.

Ok you can do what you want and im not saying its wrong to boo him but it isnt really going to help him get his confidence back. He has shown he is willing to try and gain some form by admitting he wasnt playing well, i would have been alot more worried if he had continued in the starting 11. I do think he cares about the booing when he gets home.

do what you want to do but it wasnt helping the club really booing him, we have him till at least January so lets see what he can do.

UTV

Damian, you're correct, we all have the right to boo or say anything we want to. Having that right and electing to exercise it are very different things. Poor old Stan, he must think that everyone's on his back, 'cos sure enough, the players will have a go, not to mention MON.

Anyway, are we going in for striker this Jan? If so, who do people think would be right for us?

This guy Bosingwa is a class act, he's versatile too, playing predominantly right-back but he's just as good in defensive midfield and if Martin needed to he could always be deployed on the right wing.
If the £6mn price tag you're quoting is right Dizzy we could be getting a gem, he's only 25 too so he'd be coming into his prime soon.
Let's just not leak it to any of the big clubs hey?!

booing petrov is an absolute disgrace, the boys one of the hardest working boys in the team, its just not happening for him at the moment. If I was him I would put myself on the transfer list tomorrow. stabbing him in the back and then shake his hand when he wins back the faithful. dont think so.

and aye, was watching MOTD the other day and heard swing low being sung at villa park. we're not watching the buggery. whats that all about.

A true fan would never boo his own team, a true fan stands by his team through thick and thin... also a true fan would not condone booing a player of his own team!

Enough said... not quite...

Damian I cant help thinking you have let yourself down with this post... although very well worded - you obviously spent a long time making sure you could get out of any altercation - I feel you have lost some respect from the Villa fans who come on here for a decent viewpoint on things... it seems as though you have tried to please everyone, like your boss does at the christmas party but really everyone just wants him to fuck off!

Not saying we want you to fuck off boss but you get what I mean?!? Basically you have just said what we already know... people have freedon of speech and can do what the hell they want, well done... we knew that anyway, BUT, it dosent mean it sits well with the die hard Villains! It's simply not done, end of story!

And for the record: my post was just my opinion, my opinion only... see I can cover my arse too!

The thing i dont get is so many people have disagreed with the way MON has dealt with the start to the season, generally after a loss or poor result, yet no one has booed him. Maybe he is doing a job for us then? Why pick one player when Luke Moore hasnt exactly set the world alight so far? Tottenhams fans have been booing. Why? Because the whole team has been stinking it up and they spent millions bringing in player after player. We are 9th, an improvement on last years finish, and we boo one guy. The results are there so far, why get on one guys back then? Its because people have high expectations, a thing we didnt have this time last year and certainly not the year before. Again the fact that people are upset, means we hope that the team will compete for a europe birth, again an expectation we havnt had for some time.

If you walk onto a pitch in front of 30-odd thousand people - not particularly confident of your own abilities because you've not yet proven yourself at a particular club - and you get boos from your own fans there's more than a slight chance this will affect your game. I'm not sure how thick is the skin of certain footballers these days but not all of them are spoiled, uncaring, Dolce & Gabbana morons married to some orange tart (*cough*AlexCurran*cough*) kind of brats. So yes, booing one of your own players when you're 1-0 up with 10 to go is daft, unintelligent and kind of sado-masochistic. It really doesn't take much to work that out, shame on you Damian ;) On the Bosingwa argument, I would hope MON has lined up a right-back for January - the logic being that he made the conscious choice to wait for the right man rather than buy a honest donkey like Luke Young.

I totally agree with Mick, if O'neill believed that it was impossible to get his no1 target which is Bosingwa, he definatley would have had to have signed someone half the quality before the transfer deadline!. I think this deal could be for definate.

You just don't boo your own players unless they've done something terrible that hurts the team, or trashed their own teammates, knocked the fans, and then been defiant or stupid about it. If Petrov had said, "Villa are a small side, and I want to play for a real team," or something like that, then by all means, boo him. But he's not slagging the team, fans, or manager.

All booing does is show the other players that the support is fickle and the fans will turn on you instead of sticking by you. Is negative attention apt to make someone perform better or want to stay at the club? I'm sure the squad are all embarrassed for Petrov. He's been a man, admitted he's playing poorly, and that he has no quarrel with MON sitting him down. That sort of attitude should be cheered, not booed. I seriously doubt he's thinking, "I don't care if I'm rubbish as long as I get paid." His teammates are sticking by him, and so should we. Even if he wants away and only cares about money, he has to know his poor play is hurting his options and earning power.

And I can't imagine it helps anyone's confidence on the squad thinking that if he plays poorly the fans will turn on him. There's enough paper talk and forums like these for a player to know what everyone's thinking without being publicly singled out and embarrassed by your own supporters.

As everyone agrees, paying fans have the right to express opinions. But this form of expression is juvenile and mean-spirited. Villa supporters should be known for their class. That can only help attract players and keep them.

Sorry, Damian, but the topic doesn't even merit a debate.

I also meant to say who cares about the web site? It'll be finished when it's finished. Lots of places to get news, and official sites are just PR tools anyway.

As for Bosingwa...Make it happen, MON. Please.

It is right to express concern about PETROV'S form of late, and MON has dropped him. If he decides to play him again it is likely that he has proven his worth to regain his place. To boo your own player is just thick.

If we managed to prize this guy away from Porto it would be some coup. He's coming into his prime at the minute and he's versatile too.
Although he normally plays at right-back he can play in defensive midfield and if needs be Martin could stick him out on the right of midfield too.
Plus he's won the Champs League, enough said I think!

Good commet kohoutek

STAN PETROV IS F*&^ING W&&K.

HE SHOWS NO COMMITMENT, NO DESIRE, NO SKILL, NO HUNGER, NO PASSION. ARGUABLY ONE OF THE WORST SIGNINGS WEVE EVER MADE, AND WE CANT KEEP SAYING HE'LL COME GOOD, HES BEEN WITH US WELL OVER A YEAR NOW, AND AS A SEASON TICKET HOLDER, I HAVE NEVER SEEN HIM HAVE A GOOD GAME. HE IS SHOCKING

SO IF PEOPLE WANT TO BOO, ITS THERE CHOICE, I CERTAINLY DID, JUST LIKE I DID WITH BAROS. IM A PAYING CUSTOMER, I CAN DO WHAT THE HELL I WANT

NUFF SAID

Linden 1983

Good point you Stupid b@stard.

At linden1983:

By booing do you not see that you are more or less stating that you dont want him to hit form??? Everyone has an opinion and mine is that he is wank and has been wank all along - But booing the guy just means you dont actually want him to do any good anyway... if that's the case then that is pretty sad!

Even though I [u]DO[/u] think he is pretty shit I still want the guy to come good, and hope he hits form eventually for AVFC!
I'm not saying that will happen though!

To Linden 1983: I'm a season ticket holder too, and I was embarrassed and ashamed by the idiots who booed Petrov. And by the way, I don't agree about him showing a lack of skill or appetite. It just hasn't clicked for the guy yet, but we should get behind him. And before you tell me I don't know anything about football, I spend a very large percentage of my time coaching the game.

petrov is not wank it just aint worked yet.
he is the most technically gifted players we've had at this club in a long time hes just been out of possition he is an attacker hes been playing in deffensive midfeild i belive with big john out we should put petrov up front with maloney with gabby playing in a free role just behind the front 2

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