Reo-Coker off to Spurs and Kyle Naughton coming to us
Thursday, 11 December 08, 09:31 AM · Comments (127)
Was that you just asking 'Kyle Who'? Well, he might not be Kyle Who for much longer if he comes to us and that is the rumour getting spread by the Mirror this morning.
Now, those with a solid memory, much like me, will know that this isn't the first time we've heard this name. Back, back he says, in November you found his name linked to us in the News of the World.
Now it's fair to assume that the Mirror employ someone just to look through other papers from a month ago and copy the speculation, ala Bill Howell trawling the internet, but it's just my job to let you know about them.
If you don't know anything about Kyle Naughton you could read the previous post or you could just read that he's 20 years old, came through the Sheffield United School of Excellence and has a good reputation as a right sided full back.
The rumoured price in November was £6mn. and back then I thought it a little too much for a player with less performances in him than I have had meals this month, but it's not my money and it's all gone mad.
Moving on to something closer to home and likely to happen, if not to Spurs but to someone else, Reo-Coker leaving. Now, I like Reo-Coker but I think he's very much out of his comfort zone at the moment and he plays in a positions where we have quite a few players, so he's getting moved about.
This isn't going to make Reo-Coker happy and it's actually going to make him look for the exit door and today, the Daily Express are saying that he's on the radar of new Spurs boss Harry Redknapp.
Now, it wouldn't be the worst thing that could happen but Reo-Coker does have some developing to do and while at 24 years old, he'll think he's know it all and his agent will no doubt think he knows it all, they don't.
I'm not saying I know it all either but what I do know from my short time on this planet is that sometimes it can take time to flourish in a new job and jumping ship too early only puts you back further.
I like Reo-Coker and while I can understand he wants to play football, he's not going to play every week in a successful team and he's in a team that is going places and while Spurs, under Martin Jol, had a start on us, under Harry Redknapp they're as good as a season or two behind us now.
Don't worry, Spurs will be a threat to us getting into the top four, much like we will be to them, but Reo-Coker joining them is only a sideways step and if he wants to uproot everything to do it and then spend his time trying to settle, it's his decision, I just don't think he's given himself enough time yet.
Well, that's about it today. I'm off into town to do my Christmas shopping later and to get a hair cut but if anything exciting does happen I've got my hand held and I will be updating. Don't forget our caption competition here.
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"a season or two behind you" I thought it was December not April 1st... hahaha we will see at the end of the season exactly how far spurs are behind you
Awful move for him to go there. He's too similar to Jenas. If they play him, they will want him to be a defensive midfielder... and we are all aware of his ability to play that. If he goes hoping he'll enjoy himself more there, lets all hope they have nicer benches.
Besides taht I don't really see us adding to our CM in Jan, in which case I don't think we are in a position to replace him just yet.
agree with jasonyid spurs are behind villa in the league but have just as good squad if not better ramos put us into a terrible position but harry has been rebuilding the damage with good success...
Sideways step? Villa to spurs? A mighty leap forwards. Know your place midlander.
stoney
you can't be serious? a mighty leap forwards?
when you had martin jol you were ahead of us. you had stability and had spent a few seasons developing that stability and cementing 5th place
when you got rid of him you stopped and started sliding. simply by employing another manager - who will want to do things differently - you've put yourselves behind us, in terms of stability and development, as every manager likes to do things differently
but a might leap forward is really demonstrating that you don't know what you're talking a bout
A season or two. We are definitely behind but things can change very quickly. If Fergie dies tomorrow and ManUtd come calling for your fantastic manager - then what?
abe
if you are suggesting we have a manger capable of stepping into the manchester united job when fergie leaves. then if that doesn't happen you've got to be a little concerned that we'll get top four before you and if that happens, then you're going to have to be competiting with the likes of liverpool and arsenal and if that happens, your chances are much slimmer
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"at 24 years old, he'll think he's know it all and his agent will no doubt think he knows it all, they don't."
er, what makes you think you can say this Damian? Every 24 year old thinks they know it all do they? IF there's one thing you can say about NRC, its that he's got his head screwed on. He comes across modest, humble and professional. I think this assessment is harsh and without foundation.
Having a spell on the sidelines can only do a player good. We won't be able to play our current midfield trio every game, and NRC know he must take his chance when he gets it. He's a great player and I would have thought you'd be a bit wiser not to just jump on this Daily Express rumour Damo...
I think this is a fair article and as a spurs fan I agree we are prob a season behind due to the horrific start given to us by Ramos ,squad wise we are every bit as good but like I say they have a head start on us so we will have to wait till next season for a level playing field.All that said a few good results over xmas and we could be looking handy for 6th/7th and given our start that would be phenomenal! I hope Villa get 4th spot this year as no offense I dont think they would last long in the champs league anyway at the mo(like us)and it would royally screw the goons as they relly on it for their debts etc and imagine the amount of players that would want to leave them! As for reo -coker not sure on him tbh but still,good luck for 4th this year Villa and coys lets retain our cup and get up the league.
Firstly Reo-Coker is not good enough to wear a Spurs shirt so thats the end of that debate, secondly Villa are a very good team with a top manager a couple more signings and you will defo be UEFA Cup regulars but breaking into thet Champs League spots are easier said then done and in the respect we are prob about the same level. you have players that I would love to have in our squad and im sure you feel the same about some of ours.
Personally if you beat Arsenal to a Champs League place this season I will consider it a favour but next season all bets are off.
COME ON YOU SPURS
Spurs fan here. Just wanted to say ignore these other Spurs fan mugs. This is a really well balanced article. Anybody who was at the Villa Spurs game this season could see how far ahead of us you are, no matter who was in charge. I was really impressed. I'm not going to lie, I used to think of Villa as just a nothing team, a formerly good team fading into obscurity. But now, you are one of the most exciting teams to watch in the prem and have a ruthlessness about you that suggests a real bunch of winners. Plus the team still has developing to do. If somebody but Spurs is to get into the top 4, I'm glad its a team that plays such attractive football.
Who the hell do you tottenham lot think you are, your a small club in london, your so called God of a new manager is just a bent crook who has no track record of his teams being good enough to crack the top 4, seriousley he might win you a cup but you will never break into the big 4, with him in charge, he is just not stable enough.
I agree you have some top players but as a club your aim is to buy players young and then sell them for a profit, you have not tried hard enough to keep your best players i.e.(KEANE, CARRICK ect).
These are the type of players that you must keep at all coasts if you are to challange the big 4, like what we did with Barry at the end of the day as a club you have to show your intensions, and like i said earlier Mr Redknapp is not the man for this!!!!!
Good luck i think you will need it.
just to add the author is pushing it a bit with the 2 seasons behind,if you look at the rate we accumulate points under Arry we'd be above you if he'd of been there from the off so our squad is every bit as good as villa's if not better imvho
the fact is petrov and barry aren't getting any younger and all reo coker needs is a bit more maturity on the ball and better passing to be a great player.
not having the pressure to play every game should give him the chance to train harder in the week and develop his weaknesses.
if he stays and works hard in two years he could be one of the best midfielders in the prem and play in a team competing for trophies
nic
i'm glad you used the word 'rumour' in your comment as that is where this is filed; under rumours/speculation
i am merely commenting on this speculation, saying that it might be best if reo-coker decided to stand still. we are all allowed an opinion on these rumours - much lik eyou put yours across
as for all 24 years olds knowing what is best for them - circumstances are different for reo-coker - he never has to work again in his life, but in terms of football, i think it's fair to say that it could be better, in terms of his career, if he stayed at villa, waited for his chance then grabbed it with both hands
why the hell are the only people commenting on here spurs fans, aint u got anything better to do.
kirk-what have you actually won in the last god knows how long?yet were a small club-yawn! you've had a good start granted but will you actually get the 4th loser spot? I very much doubt it(unfortunately,coz like I said I'd like you to) get off your soap box Knobhead you have done nothing yet,and nothing for absolute years.all you've achieved is just getting in europe ,big deal so have we for the last 4yrs, as well as actually winning something.
spurs have always spent big on players and on paper have a team to rival villa but it seems every time they get close to making a sustained challenge for the top they implode and have to start all over again, remember last season ramos won the cup and the next best thing since shankly then boom
to have any chance of success they have to keep hold of a manager and give him time i still cant see what martin jol did wrong?
so yes you are behind us and when dirty harry does a runner it will be all start again, i will give him 18 months max
I think that you've upset a few Spuds fans today Damian.
I'm suprised, thought they were all helping the police with their enquires
The league table doesn't lie - Spurs are in a relegation battle. They sold their two best players and didn't replace them and they don't have a left sided midfielder. That should be their priority, but I hope we sting them for a few million quid.
gonzo it appeared on spurs's newsnow,there is no way I'd of found or looked for this site otherwise lol.anyway like i said fairplay to the author,a fair piece,i will now leave you to your were a big club they're a small club nonsense hahaha
Spurs are shit
robbie keane = not our best player. aaron lennon, luka modric, ledley king = much better.
keefvilla- table dont lie-true,also don't mean anything till the end eh?not even xmas yet,you havent actually done or won anything yet so reality check fellas,you are like yids in a lot of ways none more so than thinking you've made it prematurely,don't count your chickens but again i will state hope you get 4th.
fair enuff parklane i dint know that, i agree with what u said parklane but champions league for us would be great its not all about doing well its the fact you are in in and the appeal you have to bring in the top players so that you can do well in the competition.
gonzo-true.English football needs someone in there to mix it up also.good luck
kirk, small club in london? i think if you look at your own site here and count the number of spurs fans to comment on it to the villans then i am sure you'll retract your comment - also comparing trophies might help. Villa are a good team, no doubt, while spurs are a unbalanced assembled squad of quality players. quite visibly we are addressing our mistakes over the past 18months and we are on the the up but then again so are you. regarding the manager we have in place, i think you'll agree that the 'bent' harry's pompey side did a number on your villa side quite a few times over the years and at a larger club he will hopefully be more successful. the article is correct in that you are one or at two years ahead of us but two years ago we could say the same thing about us. things change quickly in football especially when a team is desperately chasing a top four spot. i am certain that on failing to do so for a couple of years you will hound your manager out (boos against drawing to fulham the other week shows you're as fickle as anyone else) and find yourself wishing you hadn't. the only team with a realistic chance of SUSTAINED challenge on the top four is city. as everton showed clubs on our level may break into once but staying there is very very hard. and for you to criticise spurs for being unable to keep hold of top players is a joke. the only reason why you kept barry is because pool valued having keane higher than barry so had to choose one. if they would have met your asking price he would have gone like yorke before him. you just havent had good players in the last few years to have the problem we have had. i cant wait till big clubs start noticing that young and gabby arent having fluke seasons. i assure you mate they will be handing transfer requests before you could shout 'judas', as barry did and obviously that has taught you nothing about relying on the loyalty of players as surely 'mr villa' would never wish to leave would he?
Reply to lilywhitemike:
If Modric is one of your best players then you are in fucking trouble!
Balanced view I think. We were ahead of Villa in terms of development until the sacking of Jol. I now think we have a stronger squad than what we had under Jol (except the loss of Berba) but they are all new players, mostly foreign, and are going to take time to adapt. So I would say we are about a season behind in terms of development, a season ahead in terms of ability and strength in depth... Making us about even, along with Man City (although we are all worried about what they might do), Villa and Spurs have been working their way towards the Champ League Spot for the past few seasons, City look as though they may 'do a Chelsea' and buy their way into the Champ League. One thing is for sure, the Prem is getting more competetive and hopefully Arsenals bubble will burst very soon, leaving them bankrupt and without a stadium!
keef-again gonna have to disagree,if you are purely judging on the ramos 2wins from 8 start then you are a fool if you'd watched him recently playing in his best position you'd realise your comment is dumb,hopefully he will show you exactly how good he is by the time we play you again as he's getting better and better every game.
harry will have plenty of money to get reo after he visits villa again but he will have to pick all the 50pences up himself next time... cockeyed twat
Reply to Neil:
I very well constructed argument.
why would reo-coker move to a club that has taken a step in the wrong direction, while Villa are on the up??
also, they have Bentley, Modric, Lennon, Jenas, Huddlestone, Zokora,O'Hara, Boateng, Bostock and Taarabt,how many more do they need in midfield???
vila123-exactly this story is prob from his agent or a journo with nothing better to do? also only a temporary step in the wrong direction,still got good players though,should end up in a respectable place in the league and are more likely to win something than you are,come the start of next season will be about level,like I keep having to say to your mob its not even xmas yet ,you have done nothing! a few injuries or a bad run and you won't look so rosey, the league is very tight.
Reply to parklane:
But we have money to spend and improve the squad and the team.
Our young players are getting better all the time.
You have Gomes
I think it's nonsense. NRC aint going anywhere. Fact Petrov stepped up to the plate and NRC knows what he has to do to dislodge him. We do not have another player in the club to do that defensive midfield job. Unlike Spurs we are no longer a selling club.
AVMark, If you dont think your a selling club, your deluded! Every player has a price. Barry would have gone in the summer if Liverpool had matched your valuation!
Also this is the best chance you will ever have to get 4th,We won't have such a bad start next year,I doubt the goons will be as inconsistent next year(unfortunately),Man city will of had two widows to spend their money,everton will be able to win at home etc you will never have a better chance,I hope you do it but most of you should stop giving it so much and acting like your already there,you havn't won anything since god was a boy and there is a long way to go,reality check is def needed!
Keef- our young players are improving too and (not that it means anything) we will prob spend more than you-so basically your point is what? see above idiot!
AV_Mark-Liverpiddle wouldnt pay the money coz they wanted Keane otherwise Barry was gone,more speaking to soon"were not a selling club" its only last season or so that you've managed to have any players that might interest the top teams,keep doing well and fergie will soon come sniffing!
I think this story may have some truth in it, but they got the name wrong. Instead of NRC, I think they mixed it up with JC..!
At the end of the day, Villa are currently a better team than Spurs AND have a better squad AND a better manager. Yes, Spurs might be improving BUT we have a rather wealthy chairman and should we need to spend £30 odd million extra to fend you off then I'm sure he'll cough up. Whereas Spurs spent a lot of money over the summer and then on top of that had to settle Ramos' pay off- yopu wont be spending big for a while me thinks...
Besides, as soon as you have a good run you put that Gareth Bale back in the squad (who I actually really rate) and he keeps extending his zero premiership wins record
Before I came on to this site to read about the unlikely signing over jenas#2, i actually hoped villa would do well. a club similiar to us attempting to break into the top four is good for the league but on reading your childish comments and realising you all suffer from head-in-ass syndrome, I hope you get whats coming to you. it's quite obvious you can't sustain this challenge. you over rely on two very talented yet inconsistent youngsters (their dip in form towards the end of last year proved that) you also play the same team every week which like a runner sprinting in a marathon has benefited you at the beginning but will cripple you towards the end. you also have the benefited of coming from a position of nothing where other bigger clubs have only started scouting your better players. as soon as gabby improves his first touch or starts looking up when he runs with the ball united will come calling. ashley young is ready for bigger things as soon as england calls. its only then you will know a true test. we had a team with carrick, berba and keane all have left for top four teams because thats the way it works. i may come across bitter but i just dont live in la la land like you lot. just like when you as a big club go for a player at say southampton you expect to get him because the player would be mad not to want to better himself the same goes for utd when coming for players. you have just been a position in the last few years where nobody wanted any of your players. lets face it you were an awfully dull side two years ago and no one (even your own fans) wanted to go watch let alone top scouts. although i did see mellberg at juve the other week and local boy barry DID and STILL WANTS to leave for liverpool but they didnt have the funds to meet your asking price and ours for keane and unfortunately for us they valued our player more than yours.
Reply to parklane:
although i would love to argue with you i cant, but i will say the premier is getting tighter and within 2 years it will be top 10 pool A bottom 10 pool B.
Hi everyone,
I did an interview with Petrov last week and it's been published today in the Birmingham Mail, pages 60/61. Please try and have a look and any feedback would be appreciated.
Cheers,
Abdul
Alan
That is a bit harsh - certainly when you consider the posts from some Spurs fans.
What you've actually posted above is spot on about breaking into the top four and not doing an Everton. I actually don't think its that difficult to break into the top four and think Spurs would have done it this season had they kept Jol.
The hardest part about breaking into the top four is staying in the top four, which is when the real investment begins.
But, seeing as this site is dedicated to Aston Villa, the ratio of stupid comments from Spurs fans is alarmingly high in comparison to stupid comments from Aston Villa fans.
Allen-The funny thing is they sound a lot like our fans when we had just finished 5th 2yrs running except for they haven't finished 5th 2years in a row and are just having a good year or start when others are not.Like you say come a few injuries/dips in form/fatigue etc that will be that. the stupid thing is like you I came on here to wish them luck but go away thinking what a bunch of total mugs,still to any villa fan that has not got their head up their jacksy hope you do it,would be great!
ap-68-totally agree!
parklane
we are much like Spurs were a few seasons ago and most if not all villa fans accept that we're still in a period of transition.
we're not manchester city - who are actually just going to make it harder for teams like us and you - we're a team trying to do it the old fashioned way with a twist of modern, i.e. buy good players, try to make them better and create a team, rather than just go out and buy a team
we are ahead of you now though, simply because we've had martin o'neill longer than you've had redknapp and only a fool would say that the manager doesn't make a difference.
the thing that benefits you hugely over us and what will probably make our two teams be a lot lot closer next season, is redknapp inherited a very strong/good squad whereas martin o'neill has literally had to rebuild
but please don't go away with a bad impression of our club based on a few comments made. look at some of the comments made by spurs fans too
i used to like spurs then they employed harry twatknapp
Reply to parklane:
But we are making steady progress with a young squad. 16th under O'Leary and then 11th and 6th under O'Neill. Champions league qualification is the next step and with money available to increase and improve the squad in January, it is a possibility. Spurs have been a bottom half team for the last two seasons - fact.
Damian - "the ratio of stupid comments from Spurs fans is alarmingly high in comparison to stupid comments from Aston Villa fans" that appears to be because the ratio of stupid Spurs fans is alarmingly high in comparison to stupid Aston Villa fans.
Damien- you would be one of the ones I refered to as NOT having your head up your jacksy! I trully wish you the best of luck and hope you do it .As you said you go about in a right and fair way which i commend and although many fans from both sides would not agree there are many similar parellels between our two clubs.Hope you keep it going mate and nick that spot from the goons.I'll leave you to it now,Up the Spurs and again Good luck!
Reply to abz1888:
If you work for the Birmingham Mail, do us all a favour and kick Bill Howell in the knackers. Thanks.
Keef-yawn."Champions league qualification is the next step " as it was for us after two 5ths! the prob is when that is the next logical step the pressure etc comes with it.You've been lucky we had all the media tipping us to do it etc,then when JOl had a bad start and didn't seem to be able to go that one more step he's gone,we then employ Ramos who you are right finished us bottom half(thats 1 season for your information not 2)but still won some silverware(which you havn't for how long?) the lucky thing is though that we still bought good players and have a good squad which Arry inherited(as Damien rightly acknowledged).Unless you are mystic meg you don't know where we will end this year or yourselves for that matter but you seem to have convinced yourself that you will be top4,well good luck with that, we shall see!
At the end of the day, it's 2359 hours.
Alan,
Why have you become so bitter, just because a few people have ridiculed SPURS? It's called banter! I hope what's coming to you too Alan, after all it is nearly Christmas. Both clubs have failed to maximise their potential in recent years, largely owing to cash, although SPURS have shelled out quite a few quid for a limited return. Our old chairman was viewed by many as a bit of a miser, but a shrewd businessman.
We have more recently been in a position to acquire a quality manager (most important to get this right first). He has gone on to gradually progress the club at a steady rate providing stability. SPURS should have been top 4 for years, but have had the wrong man in charge (excl JOL - what a mistake that was). You're up and down like like BENTLEY's hairdo. REDKNAPP will not bring you in to the top 4, his record shows that.
Calling us fans with our heads up our arse is hilarious coming from the most pretentious club on the planet. We are realistic fans, but who would still like success quickly. Our chairman is happy to wait and allow MON to do his thing. REDKNAPP is in a no lose situation this year, as it isn't as if he is trying to get B'HAM CITY out of the shit (impossible task). You really couldn't have got much worse.
If he fails to win a cup or get in to top 4 next season, what will you do then. More importantly, what will the board do. IMO, your fans and your club have no real fight about you away from home. You nearly always accept defeat when the going gets tough. The purple patch your going through wont last until you get some fight about you. MON wont leave us for MAN.U until he has made us a success. He will hand over the reigns to a top manager whilst the club are riding high.
Reply to parklane:
I thought you said you were going.
Isn't it time you went to Scotland Yard to explain why you are a racist homophobic?
keef-thats rich coming from villa ,i've been up there most seasons and had to listen to the anti-jew songs etc,maybe this year I will report your fans to the old bill and see what happens!
Reply to keefvilla:
Lol! Funnily enough, I've never met him!
Gavin, Parklane, sorry boys did I touch a raw nerve? Berbatov, Keane, Defoe, Carrick, wow you could have had a good team couldn't you?
Reply to parklane:
Look at the amount of Spurs fans who have left comments and put "yid" in their names. Anti-jewish or what!
av-which players did you or do you have that the top teams would want?MON is doing his usual make a good team from crap,that will only get you so far though.Are you leicester in disguise?you act so proud but Barry wanted to leave you! dont count your chickens coz soon as any of your players prove themselves individually they will go .
Damian - the comments about spurs being a selling club and you lot no longer being one (as if that is a choice you have taken up) doesn't sit well with me. i firmly believe that you just havent had many interesting players recently but that will soon change and thats when things become truly difficult as we are a classic example. if you thought the barry summer thing was bad then trust me it gets a lot worse when you have it every summer with two or three players. also booing your team when drawing against fulham was a sign to me that your fans have forgotton how far you have come which we did when we hounded out jol.
Jeez do any of you know anything about anything?Spurs fans calling themselves yids is a badge of honour from years of abuse to de-sensitize the word in order to take away the abusers power!
AV-how many have Berba/Keane scored for their new clubs?no where near as many as our strikers have got and also if someone don't want to play for you I'd rather get rid of them,its better to have players proud of the shirt imvho
Mark, You havent touched a raw nerve with me at all, I'm just saying you need to take off your rose tinted specs and look at things with a balanced view. Make no mistake, Barry would have left you had Pool matched your valuation, they didnt and he's still your player as they rated Keane more important to them. We were keeping Berba until the 11th hour when Fergie kidknapped him at the airport and kept him locked up at Man U all day, where they eventually met our valuation and we sold him. Even Man U would sell their players when the prices is right (see Beckham) and if City were to offer 200mil for Ronaldo, do you not think they would accept the bid? Of course they would as it is such ridiculous money on offer! Every club is a selling club if the conditions are right for both parties!
Parklane, you haven't got a keeper as good as Friedle, a centre half as good as Laursen, a midfielder as good as Barry, a winger as good as Young and your strikers are crap. You haven't got a team because you have swapped your managers too quickly and your chairman is an arse. If you keep your present manager you will end up playing nice football and maybe win the odd domestic trophy just like the Spurs of old.
Gavin I'm bored now, it's all just a bit of banter. You are a great club but admit it you all got a bit patronising and cocky yourselves before the season started, it's just payback.
Woodgate,King as good as laursen,Lennon,Bentley as good as Young,Bent has the same amount of prem goals as Agbonlahor and more in all comps and pav has more than Carew! We will win some trophies and you won't just like Villa of old,recent and now!
AV-most of our fans didn't think we'd do it this year but in the past can understand how came across cocky etc,anyway for the last time(keep reading things i can't resist replying to lol) good luck for the rest of the season(except when you play us) COYS
66. parklane Wrote: | 13.14GMT | Dec 11, 2008
AV-most of our fans didn't think we'd do it this year but in the past can understand how came across cocky etc,
Yeah, slight understatement. If your fans think you wouldn't do it this year, they are rightand need to think the same for the next few years and probably a few more years after that. This will keep your expectations balanced and real.
BENT (like your manager) has exceeded expectation at this stage of the season. However, it won't be long before the wheel comes off again. Yeah, 'off again' (like your manager). You can get good odds of about 10,000/1 that SPURS will avoid the drop this season. I might put a couple of Zimbabwean dollars on that myself.
Woodgate and King as good as Laursen??? What a load of bollocks! They're not even as good as Davies or Cuellar!!
Bentley isn't anywhere near Young. Bentley isn't a match winner and has been found out this season.
Some of these comments crack me up!
Reply to keefvilla:
That was a really stupid remark - if you're that ignorant don't advertise it to the rest of the world
Let's stop this "ur clubs better than your club bollix"- it's not even good banter. Let's save our hatred for those who deserve it - Small Heath and Red Scouse (and Arse fo the Tottenham fans as there's more of them on than us today!)
BORING....please damian please leave other clubs names out of these blogs...it really winds me up when i look at the comments.
P.S At least it wor the scousers this time
Jeez. Spurs fans are second only to West Ham fans when it comes to whining on about how bloody great they are. You had your chance two seasons ago and it all went tits up. Now you're starting again. It's not debateable, it's a fact. With Redknapp, you'll probably take 4 points a season from us next year as MoN's head to head with him is awful but with 'arry in charge Spurs won't break the top 4. Not because he ain't good enough but I don't reckon he's got enough time left. He'll either get sick of it and go retire or he'll keel over.
Reply to SidCowanslovechild:
Wikipedia
YID can generally be perceived as a pejorative—and is used as a derogatory epithet by antisemites.
Supporters of Tottenham Hotspur F.C. adopted a nickname "Yid" (or "Yiddo") and often identify as "Yid Army". Used as a badge of pride, such usage is not without a controversy.
SidCowanslovechild: Get an education.
As for Spurs fans "calling themselves yids as a badge of honour from years of abuse to de-sensitize the word in order to take away the abusers power" is that why you were calling Sol Campbell a N****R, to de-sensitize the word? Load of bollocks!
Reply to keefvilla:
now thats what i call an answer.....lmfao
Reply to keefvilla:
Keef, don't want to get in an argument with you but Spurs fans are not being racist when they use the phrase yid - it is similar to black people using the word n***er between themselves or gay people using the word queer. It is taking back a term of abuse and subverting it. I did not need the abc education from wikopedia
Any way I apologise for using the word ignorant as I suspect you knew this really and were just looking to wind up the Spurs fans which is fair play.
You Spurs fans don't know when to keep quiet! At the start of the season with your new 'world class' signings you all said you would *definately* finish top4 - possibly even challenge for the league. 5 games in - and your all been branded the Newcastle of the south!
(Can see why you sold Robinson for him!) 
A few wins from the new manager (*cough*TW*T*cough*) and your all starting up again! Why don't you just see how your team does for a while first!
Spurs have a decent team, nothing more... and as a SQUAD its woeful, Ramos sold too many players and outside of 14 or so decent players you have NO backup.
I can honestly say the only player I would want from your squad is Bale... and maybe a striker... but that's only as we're short! Lets have a look!
Gomes - no thanks
Bale - A def YES! Although Bouma is solid for us (When back!)
King - injury prone - not as good as Laursen anyhows..
Woodgate - not as good as Davis.. crap hair too!
Hutton - massively over-rated, no thanks
Lennon - Can't cross, no final pass or finish vs A.Young!
Jenas - not as good as any of our CM's - Barry, Petrov etc
Modric - too lightweight
Bentley - good cross, free kick but that's it who A.Young is better at anyway. Milner gives a TEAM much more
Bent - good finisher - maybe.. but wouldn't start ahead of Gaby/Carew anyway
Pav - dunno, maybe again Gaby/Carew would start infront anyway
The rest of your squad is woeful.
Reply to madladdy:
I think we struggle after 14 as wtell don't we? I quite like Huddlestone
Care to look at your own SQUAD? MON plays the same team every week so your own manager doesnt have faith in your squad players whereas our squad players got us in the carling cup semis and in the next round of europe. unlike you we didnt lose to championships sides and random eastern europe teams at HOME. also lennon should be compared to milner as they are both wide right players (i didnt think you had two ashley youngs) and as the england manager would confirm, i think i'd take lennon any day of the week. you clearly havent seen lennon in the last 5 or so games either. he's on fire. gabby and bent have the same goalscoring records and pav is far better than carew so dont make me laugh. and as for modric - its clear you dont watch any football because the boy is world class as zola confirmed on monday after another masterclass from modric won us the game. this is why you villa fans have head-in-ass syndrome. one half season and suddenly your on you think you are far better than the rest. didnt you say the same thing last year but woefully tailed off. didnt you do the same when john gregory was in charge and dublin suddenly stopped bubblin? you're a good TEAM. very good but in terms of a squad you are woefully short and have always been that way. and if you harp on about the jan window fixing it your mistaken as every other club will be doing that as well - especially city. you are in a similar bracket to spurs, leeds, everton and newcastle except this year you are challenging. it used to be newcastle then it was leeds, then us and now you but look what happens. eventually you fail because fans get over excited (like you) and expectations sky rocket and managers, budgets, chairmen get sacked. dont bother saying your different because we all heard the boos after the boro and fulham games.
When ledley king gets injured and you bring back donkey dawson we will see how high you get. Modric is to lightweight and Rebrov II 'the re birth' is just like Rebrov I, 'the lazy looser'. PS would swap G Bale for half a packet of crisps and a mars bar though
( big up to all the spurs fans, or is that a big up for the hampshire crew?
Team P W D L F A W D L F
1 Liverpool
16 5 3 0 11 4 6 1 1 13
2 Chelsea
16 3 3 2 14 5 8 0 0 21
3 Man Utd
15 6 1 0 19 4 3 3 2 8
4 Arsenal
16 5 1 2 15 10 4 1 3 13
5 Aston Villa
16 3 4 1 10 7 5 0 3 15
6 Hull
16 3 2 3 9 15 4 3 1 15
7 Portsmouth
16 4 2 2 13 10 2 3 3 6
8 Everton
16 1 3 4 9 15 5 1 2 13
9 Fulham
15 5 2 1 11 6 0 3 4 2
10 Bolton
16 2 2 4 6 9 4 0 4 12
11 Wigan
16 3 2 3 6 9 2 2 4 12
12 Middlesbrough
16 3 2 3 8 12 2 2 4 8
13 Stoke
16 5 1 2 12 10 0 3 5 5
14 Man City
16 4 0 4 19 9 1 3 4 11
15 Tottenham
16 3 1 4 7 7 2 2 4 12
16 West Ham
16 3 1 4 11 13 2 2 4 6
17 Newcastle
16 3 3 2 13 11 0 4 4 6
18 Sunderland
16 2 1 5 7 13 2 2 4 6
19 Blackburn
16 1 2 5 5 15 2 2 4 12
20 West Brom
16 2 2 4 9 15 1 1 6 3
Reply to kirk:
Kirk,
You're the sort of person who gives the decent fans a bad name.
Spurs are far from being a small club in London (see Leyton Orient or Brentford for details) I'm a Villa season ticket holder but I have respect for what Spurs have achieved in their history and they have finished higher than us more often in recent years than not.
Your statement that "your so called God of a new manager is just a bent crook" is at best crude and inaccurate and at worst libelous.
Grow up Kirk and join the human race and if you would like respect from others for your opinions, learn to respect them.
keef-spurs fans did not call him N***ER you thick ,ignorant mug,get your facts straight,the stuff some spurs fans sang was def homophobic,but as for Racist no way that was mainly the press goons ,hammers(of all people) mis construing the words to a song they were singing.This could be a big change that could effect ALL football fans including your anti semetic brigade.This was NOT racist(which has no place in football)and is the first stop to boards being held up saying "cheer now","boo now".........
ps fairplay sidcowanslovechild,neilw
Who cares about your 'Hampshire massive fans' and their chants, its the muppets on here that are making you all look like delusion retards. And im an Everton fan.
Seeing as this all getting silly can I ask a question that a Villa fan might be interested in? How's Olly doing at Juventus?
Tinker-if your an Everton fan why on earth are you reading this?is it because all your fellow "tofee's" are as dull as you are ?or are all your mates out stealing hub caps? no spurs firm is called "massive" if you are refering to TT's book then you should know he had to change it to massive for legal purposes.
Im on here because I feel I was mugged on sunday, by these lot, and just want to try and stir things up a bit. But when I read some of the comments by your 'spurs fans' I just could not help point out that not only are you below Villa but also us and quite a few other teams who have beaten your 'top 4 team' in the last few months, you just got to laugh? Spurs top 4 and liverpool to win the league
. Just off to check my 14 year old daughter is home ok from visiting her friends.....all areas have problems it has nothing to do with football.
you did well coz you beat us recently(albeit with severe anti football) but anyone that beat us in the first 8/9 games aint got too much to crow about and were see on the return.Anyway I'd of thought you toffees would be pleased with us doing your neighbours twice within a few days!
lol @ the spurs fans. wouldnt dream of going to another teams blog, sad.
give it a rest Aaron. the article linked us with reo coker and questions our team. we havent come here looking to talk about other teams for no good reason like tinker man over there who is clearly just waiting for the opportunity to tinker with his child. it's called banter between teams. if you villa fans like to have a polarized (head-in-ass) opinion on your club then restrict this site to members only and in my opinion doing that is sad.
Lets be honest gents, there really isn't that much between the two clubs:
League Winners: AV 7 TH 2
FA Cup Winners: AV 7 TH 8
League Cup Winners: AV 5 TH 4
UEFA Cup Winners: AV 0 TH 2
European Cup Winners: AV 1 TH 0
European Super Cup Winners: AV 1 TH 0
Overall I personally think Villa are edging it sligh, but Spurs have had more recent success. This year Villa pushing for that 4th spot, Spurs for another Wembley apperance.
Can we just agree that it would be great for another team to break the top 4 monopoly (as long as it's not Man City!!)
Reply to Alan:
Am I supposed to read any of this guy Alan's posts? I'm not sure concise is a word in Alan's dictionary. Alan, ring 07899768767 and my Nephew will give you an English lesson. He knows when to use capitals / full stops / paragraphs and all sorts of hard stuff like that. You'll find it really useful.
These London boys don't get much in the way of education. It's a shame really, init, bruv.
timmy- can totally agree with that mate
Reply to Alan:
ALAN>"Care to look at your own SQUAD? MON plays the same team every week so your own manager doesnt have faith in your squad"
We'll take Milner for the other 33 games of a season then. Also I compared him to Young as Lennon can and does play on the left, if also seemed the logical comparison as they're similar players. Sorry if that passed you by.
He plays the BEST 11, what's wrong with that? He'll rotate when/if they get injured or tired. We obviously don't have another top quality 11 like Chelsea etc, but even Chelsea, Man U etc struggle when they don't have the 1st choice 11 out. To say we should be playing reserves and he has no 'faith' is just silly. You play the BEST 11 YOU HAVE!
So Lennon has had FIVE good games, well done.
Pav is unproven and a different player to Carrew and I doubt he would start ahead of him. It remains to be seen how he does long term, maybe you judge all your players on 5 games?
Modric is just too lightweight with no spirit or fight - against any decent team or one that works hard (West Ham are neither ATM) he gets closed out of it and his head drops.
Also I'm 100% realistic, we're doing great at the MONENT! Great manager & a great board that will back him - but breaking into a top4 that have had CL money and its draw to get the best players isn't going to be easy.. but with a bit of luck maybe we can hang onto our best players and do it.
Also squad wise outside the last 11 to play we have:
Guzan/Taylor
Bouma/Shorey
Knight
Reo-Coker
Gardner
Carew
Harewood
Most are not world beaters, but I think that's pretty solid and stronger than your bench. Or maybe your fans all now think Dawson etc Boateng are great players. You know with the last FIVE games and all..
Basically I wouldn't swap squads with you - and like I say Bale is the only player I would really definitely want.
Reply to Timmy_Ra:
Nice one Timmy!
Best post in the thread for me.
Reply to StickyAV:
Excellent, peace and harmony restored!! My work here is done!!
Fair comments Tim. i think some on here lambasting spurs fans for striving for the top four is madness especially as it is quite evident that villa have followed spurs' blueprint of playing young english players when we are up there. be warned, like all the clubs who had the title of best of rest (everton, newcastle and leeds) getting to 5th (which you havent even achieved yet) is far easier than getting to fourth or even thinking about staying there. 'J' posts the league table as it is today. well done mate with 16 games gone you are 5th which if you ended it now wouldn’t win you anything and its still got a long way to go and i dont think you guys have much hope of staying there. you only have to compare your current team with the team we had that finished 5th to realise you're first eleven isnt near that standard not to consider your thread bare squad. Couple that with the city factor and throw in arsenal’s poor form causing them to finally realize they need to invest. i would suggest to you all to lower your expectations and have a little humility in the meantime cos your mouth is far bigger than your trophy cabinet. Your also setting yourselves up to be laughed out big style when you don’t make it.
no 'av' you're not supposed to comment on that post as it was aimed at kirk or can't you read?
lol,I'd bet this blog doesn't usually get this many comments! Most of it is a continuation of school days "my dad is bigger/tougher etc than yours...." lol ,still its certainly helped pass my day so thanks,off home now,good luck with nicking 4th. If it comes down to the last day and you can take the goons spot i daresay you'd be able to hear the spurs roaring you on all the way from North London.COYS
Reply to parklane:
I'm going home too, good banter boys!
madlady you keep naming players in both the squad and first eleven showing how weak it is (your argument and your squad/team). proof is in the pudding as they say, we have played our second string in the cups and have been very successful but hows the carling cup working out for you? or better yet is the polish fans celebrations still rinning in your ears? and like i said before, you dont sprint a marathon. you'll find out in about march whats wrong with playing your best eleven throughout the entire season. like you have found out in many previous seasons but clearly you have chosen to forget that. lennon is still better than milner. no arguement. in those five games he has produced ten times more than milner across the season.
a dreadful move for Reo if he goes to spurs simple as that.
Even with a good squad and £20Million signings you still scrape the bottom of the premiership.
You watch , if Arry looses 3-4 games you will probably get someone else in always swapping managers because you think you are better than you are.
Little club, with ideas above your station..
Alan: So me naming the 18/20 players we have in the team/squad that got us to 6th last season and are now sitting in 5th proves how weak the team/squad is? Weaker than which other teams exactly?
And you think your squad - the one that finished 11th last season and is now 15th after been bottom 3 for 4months is stronger due to the the last 5 games and 5 CCup games last season?
Really?
You have a decent team, but as the original post said your a few years behind us, you need 4/5 (better) players to be up there and feel SOLID in 5/6/7th place. With 4/5 (better) players you would have to hope we would REALLY push for the top4... That's why we're ahead of you.
Basically I think ourselves, Portsmouth, Everton & Man City all have a better 1st eleven than you. But if you don't agree that's fine... delusional but fine..
ps.. The table would seem to agree - proof in the pudding and all that!
Reply to parklane:
your first post was at 10.40 this morning are you becomming a villa fan by any chance
Reply to parklane:
You really need to learn when you are being wound up you dumb yid shmuck (apparently not racist)
Reply to j:
Bloody hell, i just about developed repetitive strain injury scrolling down to see where Spurs were on the table
yids "HAVE YOU EVER WON THE EUROPEAN CUP"
Alan - What's your point? This is AVFC BLOG. It's for Villa fans (and taglor).
at the end of the day.........................
it gets dark
parklane you seem a very passionate fan of your club and football in general, you have some very valid points which im sure most of the other fans of this site would like to hear more of on a regular basis and for that i invite you into the forum for further future debates on not just our club vs yours but anything footy relateed that you feel needs discussing im sure(hope) someof the other members would welcome you into our forum.
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All this firing back and forth. Gimme a break, Spurs ain't the enemy here, the entire top 4 and Birmingham City are.
And as one of the few Villa fans that likes Harry Redknapp, I think a lot of you will eat your words. He will spend money in the Jan. window and upgrade that squad and I think the spurs have a shot at multiple trophies this year. The Spurs will also finish in the top 8, you mark my words on that.
With all of that said, Reo-Coker would hardly get a game in that crowded Spurs midfield and I think when he is played in his natural position he can be pretty effective here. With an already thin squad behind our best 11, I would like to see us hang on to Reo-Coker (and play him in the centre of the park once in awhile!).
Reo coker a fab plya
i cant see that happenin and kyle naughton hah
surely we can do betta dan dat we are a eufa cup contenders not tryin 2 get promoted from da championship
my point is Aaron that if you want to openly criticise other teams then expect the fans of that club to comment and defend themselves.this isnt a safe house for you villa fans. this site is on the worldwide web - all these spurs fans on here were alerted to this through newsnow. it's open to anyone and we live in a free society. i also think you should be happy when people question your logic, that's the only way you are going to learn anything or gain some perspective. i think a lot of villa fans have spent a little too much time on this site as there are another 19 clubs in the premier league and at least four of them are better than villa and another 5 of them are not that far off (although you are a season or max two ahead of spurs). i have never doubted that villa are a good side but you haven't achieved anything yet have you? madladdy - i would rather finish 11th and win a trophy than finish 6th but thats just me. i enjoyed wembley and beating chelsea and arsenal along the way. while you had a season that won't live long in memory or be engraved in any silverware. my point about the squad thing is that you double counted - that is all - you said bouma and carew are in your first eleven and then called them squad players as well. you also named young twice in your starting eleven. why is that hard for you to understand? it's just stupid and annoying. like i said before, you dont win anything in december. i will be amazed if you finish in the top 4 and i think you all would be as well. i also think that the second half of the season will be better for us than for you - although you will finish above us. in my humble opinion, villa with their overworked squad, have overachieved and we have underachieved. we can more easily improve but you're squad have been working at 100% or 110% at times. brill for you guys. you have an excellent manager who can do that but i feel, and alot of footballing people would agree, that we now have one too.so it's catch up time
Reading the above comments from the Spuds made me think that my Spud mates were on here, then I realised that they're all arrogant (but when you look at their neighbours it's understandable).
George, of course you're right, but hey - this is banter albeit with a dash of vitriol and a pinch of spite.
Reply to parklane:
i doubt it m8 tbh, no 1 really hears you on match days. shite ground good history , shite future enjoy
Alan: "you said bouma and carew are in your first eleven and then called them squad players as well. you also named young twice in your starting eleven. why is that hard for you to understand? it's just stupid and annoying."
I didn't double count - read it again.. I included injured players in the BEST 11 but then said we had decent players outside our CURRENT 11. Young was named in the same sentence (position if you want) as Milner, they do rotate wings and it made perfect sense if you read it.
Basically you can nit pick on things you want to read wrong but the gist of it is still the fact our 11+7 are better than your 11+7. As are Evertons, Man C & Portsmouths.
Your right about the trophy you won last season - kudos. When did I belittle the achievement?? It's a good achievement, but there were still 10 better league TEAMS than you last year.
Like you said the league is a marathon and a MUCH better judge of a teams overall quality... and you've done poor in the league for nearly 2 years now.
Alan: Also out of interest why the hell are you posting your dribble in the first place - the gist of my posts where we had a better squad... which you've tried to tell us is weak etc and that even your 2nd squad is great and won the CC etc..
and then YOU just posted:
"although you are a season or max two ahead of spurs"
"it's catch up time"
So WHAT are we ahead on - and what are you catching up with?
Is it our ability to bake chocolate muffins? It obviously isn't quality of players now is it..
Muppet.
Nick lane is gay end of
takes meat in through the backdoor
I really couldn't give a toss about Spurs and have never really forgiven them for stealing Danny Blanchflower off us. They self destruct more often than we do and will never be more than a cup team.
As for Reo Coker they're welcome to him quite honestly, he's a luxury player with no particular strengths to his game, an average premiership player at best. Every game he has a couple of bustling runs as far as the penalty area and then you don't see him for half an hour, he can't pass accurately more than 20 yards (usually sideways) and ends up on his arse after misstimed tackles. You've all been duped by the media into thinking he can play.
Spend the money on Nolan.
madladdy you really are a little mad arent you? when you name a best eleven you cant just say ooh young can play in two positions so lets compare him twice as hes our best player. when they take the field he can only do one role so try to pick the one where he is most played yeah, otherwise you come across as very annoying! did you know bale can play lb and lw? and he often switches? so i can play that game as well but it smacks of desperation dont you think? also i never doubted that villa are currently better than spurs but i reacted to your comment where you compared squads and frankly your analysis is daft. pav is miles better than carew and lennon is way ahead of milner. you rate gabby really highly but what makes him different to bent? that said, generally you have more balanced team whilst we have a mixed bag of quality players who havent been constructed well to play as a team. our squad players are better than yours. no doubt. we have played our second string throughout our europe campaign and carling and we are in the semis and next round of uefa. when oneil tried to play your squad players he came on stuck against some crappy polish team and i think leicester was it? both at home? so they you've got a wonderful squad. even your own manager is constantly complaining about the lack of depth in his squad and never trusts them to rotate his players. thats honestly the last post i make on this site as this arguement can go on and on. best of luck in the season ahead.
Alan: Sigh, honestly... I can't really be bothered - re-read if you still think your right maybe just give up.
"you rate gabby really highly but what makes him different to bent?"
Now let me start this by saying I actually think Bent is a decent player and a good goal poacher.
But this the same Bent that has mostly flopped for you, most of your fans think is rubbish and wanted rid of him and the rest of the league can't believe you paid £16m for!
And Gaby is just a different type of player, he gives the team much more outside the box is highly rated by pretty much everyone and just broke into the England squad.
Ask fans of other teams who they would want Bent or Gaby.. what do you reckon most would say?
And this goes for most of your players vs our players - THATS why we have a better squad, which was my point, the original posts point and you've bloody agreed with a few times!
alan
"and frankly your analysis is daft. pav is miles better than carew and lennon is way ahead of milner. you rate gabby really highly but what makes him different to bent? that said, generally you have more balanced team whilst we have a mixed bag of quality players who havent been constructed well to play as a team." YET!
when your team gel and they are starting to you will be contenders for that coverted 4th spot along with us....maybe not this year but deffo next! not in a few years!
take the top 3 out of this picture and from then on the prem is as open as i have ever seen it in some years..next year when all the players are brought and sold and it squads of all teams settles down for the long term future then teams like villa spuds pompy man city everton maybe hull and fulham even will be all battling it out with even squads for leftover trophies the big guns dont want!...so not one of us are better than the other just ahead at mo with plans and time in football moves very quickly and changes happen in the bink of an eye.
Disagree Damian, I think I can quite categorically say Reo-Coker has no more developing to do whatsoever.
BOB-thanks very much might take you up on that in the future cheers mate,good luck at the week end.
cheers parklane more than welcome....
I've just read most comments. That yid Alan makes some good points. However it cracks me up when Villa/Everton/Spurs try and get one over eachother. We're pretty much the same, in the shadow of Liverpool, Man U and Arsenal. Yes there have been glory days in our histories, but lets face it unless a multi-billionaire takes over those days aint happening again.
Villa fans are giving large, just like Spurs/Everton fans have done so in the past few years due to good league finishes. But what's the end result? We're still about as rubbish as eachother.