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Champions League: Schalke 04 0 - 0 Chelsea

Wednesday, 07 November 07, 01:15 AM · Comments (45)

Match reports

The Times, Matt Hughes: "Avram Grant’s mission impossible is to make Chelsea the most attractive team in the world while continuing to win trophies, although he can be grateful that his players have not cast off the resilience instilled by his more pragmatic predecessor. The visiting team needed all their fortitude and considerable fortune to come away with a goalless draw that keeps them top of group B, needing only one win from their final two matches to qualify for the next round."

Daily Telegraph, John Ley: "An uncharacteristically disjointed performance under the Arena AufSchalke roof cost Chelsea the chance to confirm qualification for the knockout stages of the Champions League. With Rosenborg winning in Valencia, a Chelsea victory would have guaranteed their passage. Instead they left grateful for the point that keeps them at the head of Group B following a woeful performance."

The Guardian, Dominic Fifield: "After the rip-roaring has come the mind-numbing. Chelsea have been determined to scintillate in recent weeks, but their seven-game winning streak spluttered to an end in the Rhineland last night with a shivering stalemate in Gelsenkirchen. They could count themselves lucky to emerge with a point, so stretched were they at times by Schalke, but that point has eased them to the verge of qualification."

The Independent, Jason Burt: "An eighth successive win for Chelsea would have secured their passage. But it was an evening to forgot — especially for the Brazilian defenders Alex and Belletti, while Wayne Bridge walked away accused of elbowing an opponent in frustration. Chelsea may also have to contend with the loss of Petr Cech. The goalkeeper damaged his calf in a first-half scramble and had to be replaced by Cudicini."

Official Chelsea FC Website: "The final whistle was a huge relief. Chelsea can complete the job in Norway in three weeks' time."

The good

This was a tough task on a night when truth be told we were in possession of a lucky rabbit's foot the size of London or at least that’s the best explanation I can find for the wheelbarrow load of luck we rode during this game.

  1. The result. Any 0-0 draw away from home in the Champions League has to be seen as more of a plus than a negative and frankly to come away with a 0-0 when we were so comprehensively put under the cosh is nothing short of a huge bonus.
  2. Carlo Cudicini. He took some stick for a nervy performance against Leicester last week, but called into action in this game after an injury to God Petr Cech he made some good saves and didn’t seem to cause any undue worries in his defence.
  3. The other result in group B. The allegedly lowly Rosenborg went to the Mestalla and humbled the formerly mighty Valencia 2-0, which is a bonus for us as we owe them one when we play them in 3 weeks. This result means one more victory from the two remaining games will see us into the last 16, although we really want to finish top to avoid any unfortunate Milan or Barcelona clashes in the first knockout round. Valencia seem to be in free-fall and one can’t help wondering what price David Villa now?
  4. Ricardo Carvalho. In a bleak desert of good performances, he was one of the few Chelsea players to play to his normal level, which is just as well because had he been off beam like most of the others then we’d have been stuffed out of sight.
  5. Wayne Bridge. Not so much on his performance as he was patently not fully back to match fitness. What he did display was grit, courage and a snarling never-say-die spirit, which helped him overcome his limitations caused by his recent injury. When he’s fully fit he really is the equal of if not the better of Ashley Cole.
  6. Schalke 04. For a team in crisis, playing under a caretaker coach they really played us off the park. They were first to any loose ball, hungry in the tackle and sharper at passing and moving. We looked like a pub team at times in comparison. Credit where it’s due, they deserve to be in this section and had they played like this from the tournament start would deserve to be going into the next round.

And that my dear blog-watchers and fellow sufferers is all I can find for the “good” section — it was not a night for the good to show its recent regular warm and welcoming face.

The bad

  1. Juliano Belletti. Strange but true. He has been one of our most impressive players this season when he’s in the mood, but when he’s not right then he is a stinker and in this game it was embarrassing to watch him being skinned time after time. Shocking.
  2. Claude Makelele. The Chelsea evangelists will no doubt accuse me of blasphemy here but guys, take off the blue-tinted glasses and be objective. He’s a has-been who can’t do the job at this or the Premier League level consistently for 90 minutes. He played like a grinning inept fool, endlessly and unswervingly giving the ball away and conceding stupid free kicks in stupid places — a crime he was constantly guilty of last season. Keep him on the bench and use him to steady games we’re already winning but don’t... I repeat don’t let him play a full game any more at this or the Premier League level. Dreadful beyond words.
  3. Didier Drogba. Anonymous. Didn’t get any real service but after the first 20 minutes of the second half I had to check he hadn’t been substituted such was the effectiveness of his seemingly newly acquired Romulan cloaking device.
  4. Florent Malouda. Huffed, puffed and lost the ball time and again. Was reduced to remonstrating with the officials after the ball was constantly and fairly removed from his possession by sharper and better players in the Schalke defence.
  5. Alex. He has been impressive for us so far if a little clumsy from time to time, but in this game he looked all over the place. Our defence looked shaky because the two Brazilians seemed perplexed by the whole affair.
  6. The score at Anfield. Be prepared for an RSPCA investigation into the undoubted mass suicide of dogs apparently drowning themselves in the River Mersey from the incessant high pitched Scouse crowing about how their glorious history has been proved by beating a second rate Turkish team 8-0 and... blah... blah... blah... you know the rest.
  7. The performance. On a par with the recent game against Fulham. Hopefully it’s a blip, but the Jose Mourinho baiters might want to note that we rarely had get out of jail performances like this when he was at the tiller.

Player ratings

  • Petr Cech: Picked up a calf injury and worryingly it seemed the bench didn’t know how to react - 6/10.
  • Juliano Belletti: Terrible and I can only think maybe he didn’t travel well. Either way he can’t afford to put many performances in like this or he’ll be joining the Del Horno express to Bhoularouzville! - 4/10.
  • Alex: A big chance to consolidate recent solid performances was spurned. Maybe he was merely coming out in sympathy for Belletti - 5/10.
  • Wayne Bridge: Gritty, determined and seemed to know he was not quite at his best, but sheer effort saw him through. Makes you proud to be English - 7/10.
  • Ricardo Carvalho: Calm and assured. I never thought he could replace Gallas but I was wrong, he is so much better than Gallas - 8/10.
  • Frank Lampard: Couldn’t get forward but still turned in a reasonable show considering how much pressure the team was under. Not a captain though - 7/10.
  • Claude Makelele: Believe me I have loved him in the past but the good memories are being sullied by rubbish like he served up in this game. He’s like the proverbial punch drunk boxer who can’t accept he’s gone one fight too many - 2/10.
  • Joe Cole: Way below his best and another player who seems daunted by European away days - 6/10.
  • Didier Drogba: Hmm... since the 6-0 drubbing of Manchester City he’s gone off the boil a bit and one can’t help wondering if the concerted press campaign to dig up any negative comments he’s made about anything are getting to him. If this is the case then this is where Grant has his work cut out because Mourinho had become an expert at giving Drogba the armoury to deal with negative criticism - 5/10.
  • Michael Essien: I’m not used to seeing him lose the ball or make sloppy passes but his below par performances this season outweigh the good ones by a distance. Took a yellow for the team, but was left cold by Lovenkrands for a chance that should have been a Schalke goal - 6/10.
  • Florent Malouda: No Arjen Robben. Not even close to Shaun Wright-Phillips. Pathetic. Sell him on - 4/10.
  • Carlo Cudicini (sub): Did well considering his lack of big matches. Made one or two good saves and a few easy ones by dint of good positioning. But is he our future? - 7/10.
  • Shaun Wright Phillips (sub): Did well enough in his 10 minutes or so and one can only wonder why Grant stuck with Florence from magic Roundabout... sorry Florent Malouda for so long - 7/10.
  • John Obi Mikel (sub): Needs to learn the art of tackling but did more than Makelele did all game to add some stability - 7/10.
  • Overall team performance: A poor performance flattered by a fortuitous result and the other result in our group going our way. Fingers crossed it’s just a blip and not a return to the immediate post Mourinho loss of confidence - 5/10.

Man of the Match

Ricardo Carvalho. Looks unflappable and does a great job with no fuss, no histrionics and no problem.

Final thoughts

The analogies are piling high in front of me. Rabbits in headlights? Boys against men? Heavyweights versus lightweights. Daleks versus Cybermen? Mike Tyson against Frank Bruno? Romans fighting Saxons. America fighting Vietnam (us being America of course). The list is endless. There was a bad smell emanating from us during this game and frankly we stunk the stadium out from start to finish with a way below par showing, especially in light of our recent form. From the first whistle we looked out of sorts and it got worse as the game went on. At half time we were lucky to be at 0-0, but by the end of play we were lucky not to be two or three down. What chances we did have were spurned by poor decisions and even poorer finishing. In the end we seemed scared to attack and desperate in defence.

So much for the “new” Chelsea philosophy. If we’re trying to be Barcelona or Arsenal then we have some way to go to match the verve they can show driven by confidence in their ability, and faith no doubt in their coaching staff. Another big concern for me was the lack of movement from Avram Grant or the bench to change things about. Admittedly the enforced substitution of Cudicini for Cech limited our outfield “tinkering” options, but even with two subs left I would have liked to have seen Malouda and Makelele hauled off and Sheva given a chance along with Wright-Phillips, asking Essien to hold the midfield and taking a gamble that Belletti would wake up... a 4-4-2 I believe! Either way, it looked like our new maestro was either being stubborn by keeping the faith, or clueless. You choose.

Having said that it has to be noted that sometimes you get tough nights in Europe and occasionally you need the luck to grind out a result. But, there’s no escaping, we looked ragged and disjointed from the start and never at any point did we look like grabbing the game and showing what we can do. A worrying sign for future big games in the Premier League? I sincerely hope not.

Keep the Blue Flag Flying High!

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Lamin
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Lamin Wrote: | 09.51GMT | Nov 7, 2007

Today's game was so bad i wish i went to class instead. But hopefully, we will wake up from this. Big game in the BPL for the weekend.
I agree with you about the player ratings and Riccy being the man of the match... but I think Avram was right in bringing on Mikel and SWP. By putting in Mikel, Avram solved two problems (1, help clam things down in the mid field and 2, this move also solve the out of form Belletti problem since Essien has to move to right back). SWP has to come on for sure (for Malouda who was getting his ass kicked through out the game). I believe, if Avram has another sub, he will definitely bring on Sheva for Makelele. I think he did the best with the only two possible subs that he has.

Harry
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Harry Wrote: | 10.36GMT | Nov 7, 2007

A really, really dissapointing performance. We didn't deserve anything. Schalke were utterly dominant. Looking at form, Chelsea must have been favourites but Schalke really pushed us. Very dissapointed. And the most annoying part is that we kept loosing the ball. So our terrible record on German soil goes on...

Fariza Hani
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Fariza Hani Wrote: | 11.11GMT | Nov 7, 2007

We have to admit that it was not a good game last night. I would go as far as saying that it was a bad performance from the team. I don't wanna be harsh on the team because 1 point isn't so bad and we can still qualify, but Schalke did play very well. I thought they got their tactics spot on especially in the first half when they stifle our midfield. In my opinion, the result was 0-0 more because of Schalke indecisiveness in front of the goal at times when they had chances to score rather than we miss the chances because we did'nt have any, except 2 to 3 times when Drogba got the ball to shoot. Schalke were also unlucky and it was also because we did defend pretty well especially Ricky. What do you think guys?

Greenlight
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Greenlight Wrote: | 11.33GMT | Nov 7, 2007

Game wasn't on here in Australia, so it is hard to comment, but from all reports it was fairly dire.

Perhaps the telling result is the win by Rosenborg though over Valencia....... Maybe our home draw wasn't too bad...... Maybe our away win at Valencia wasn't as good as it seemed.

All this leads me to believe that it is far too early to pronounce the changes in management to be either a success or a failure at this point, and until we play some really top draw opposition and beat them, we will not know how to measure ourselves.

And a word of advise... Steer clear of Scousers for a few days.... Their team continue to lurch from Champs to Chumps as each game passes. This week there will be no shutting the Squeakies up!

Clive
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Clive Wrote: | 13.19GMT | Nov 7, 2007

As I mentioned in the other blog at half time, and full time we were no better than a pub team that had clearly enjoyed too much of "probably the best lager" etc...

The worrying thing for me at the interval as well Tony, was that AG didn't make any changes apart from the enforced one to Cech.
I suppose he had a lot of changes he could have made considering the below par performances from most of them last night, but changes he should have made.
We escaped with a a lucky point which I suppose isn't a bad thing, but that could have so easily been an embarrassing 3-0 or 4-0 defeat last night.
I can't recall the last time we were so inept for the whole 90 mins in recent years.

Mark
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Mark Wrote: | 13.40GMT | Nov 7, 2007

Well it's a funny old group.

With hindsight our draw at home to Rosenborg wasn't so bad. Had RA realised how good Rosenborg are he may have spared TSO!

With hindsight maybe our win in Valencia wasn't so great.

In our home game with Schalke had the referee or width of post been different we might have lost.

Still here we are top of the group so there's no need to get too anxious.

It'll be interesting to see how long our performances are measured against what we think would or wouldn't have happened under TSO. Could be years I guess. I still comment that this or that wouldn't have happened if Maggie Thatcher was still in charge.

alex
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alex Wrote: | 13.58GMT | Nov 7, 2007

Clive....last time we were so inept for 90mins was against liverpool (CL semi final 2nd leg a few months back) when we needed a single goal to proceed to the CL final and we were practically defending throughout the match.

Terrible match in terms of spirit and tactics on our team's part. Our wingers were not mobile, and our midfield was dead ineffective, until Mikel came in (thats why i was suprised he didnt feature in the 'good' section above)

Some serious work needs to be done...players need to be more mobile as in running into space to receive passes, rather than staying static and be easy targets for defenders....Also, a good number of our players do not seem 'eager/comfortable' enough to collect and hold the ball... When games are tight like they were yesterday, its players like Mikel that we'll need in the midfield to collect and hold the ball, drawing out opposition players to themselves to free other players...

Hope the technical crew would work on these aspects of our play...

Everton would be a tough one....but we really need the 3 points, so by whatever means, lets get the 3 points...

Always Blue!

Clive
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Clive Wrote: | 14.50GMT | Nov 7, 2007

Alex... we may have inept against Liverpool but not to the extent we were last night. They performed like eleven strangers in our day glo yellow, and the defending wasn't even close to being competent even though we managed a clean sheet.
As a matter of fact they looked like eleven Health and Safety executives inspecting the ground, bloody clueless!

Dio
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Dio Wrote: | 15.30GMT | Nov 7, 2007

Clive,
totally agree with you regarding this difference about the Liverpool game in the Semi and last night. As I wrote yesterday, when the crunch matches come is where the manager shows his tactical acumen and strategy. As we can see in one of the first crunch matches for the opposition where they really went at us, Grant did not have a clue! There were no half time changes because he probably had nothing to say at half time to the boys to kick them up the arse or any strategy, "just go out and play good football"!!. You can just imagine his team talks; "don't worry my children, the lord will smite your enemies with fire and brimstone" !!!! What an inept coach. I just wish he would be dignified and leave even before I finished writing!

Guido aKa Blue geeza
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Guido aKa Blue geeza Wrote: | 15.53GMT | Nov 7, 2007

God Love ya Tony G but i can't agree with you on this one like i usually do when i read your assesments.

I think this game was completely down to the fault of Avram who i've actually become a really big fan of. I think the game needed Kalou (who frustrates the life out of me) And Mikel in from the start. I'll explain, Joe Cole was always going to struggle, this was not the game for flicks and tricks and Joe was always going to struggle. Kalou - quicker, strong, better in the air. Drogba who granted was woeful did not have the slightest bit of help unless Frank Lampard was trying to burst his way into the box.
We also needed Mikel in from the start because the midfield were just not passing to each other. You're right in the fact that Maka's was hopeless in this game but his game is about breaking down attacks and laying it off. Completely the opposite of what we needed last night, as most of their damage came from the speed of their wingers and fulls backs. Makalele is still Ledge, he just needs to play in the games where he will be most affective. This was not it. I thought Frank was poor, Bridge was poor (but granted lacking match fitness.) Malouda very poor, but we can't go selling on people everytime their first season doesn't go to plan otherwise we would have no Drogba, no Essien and no Carvalho!
So as much as i'd like to blame the players for this one, i have to put it down to Avram. It looked even like Henk Ten Cate had a wry smile on his face thinking, "this is not the team i would have put out!"

CheBeef
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CheBeef Wrote: | 15.55GMT | Nov 7, 2007

Shakle04 did not play particularly well.

WE however couldn't pass then ball more then 10 yards throughout the game. What should of happend after 5-10 minutes of this is the Manager gets off his fat arse and directs the players to make more space, wake up, make runs. Avram 'the sloth' Grant did nothing, he didn't manage the team.

Keep The Blue Flag Flying High.

Jose fan
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Jose fan Wrote: | 16.32GMT | Nov 7, 2007

Stop living in the past, fellas, this is the new and better chelsea, sing with me: nana nana nana nana nana nana nana nana AVRAM :D

Mark
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Mark Wrote: | 16.33GMT | Nov 7, 2007

There are those that say that when Chelsea play well and win it's nothing to do with Avram, but instead it's TSO's legacy. Yet when we play bad, and yes it was bad, it's wholly the responsibility of Avram. You can't have it both ways.

You're the same people who ignore it when it's cold or wet but claim it's global warming when it's a little hot.

Clive
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Clive Wrote: | 17.36GMT | Nov 7, 2007

This is another Chelsea site I often frequent, and Priesty who runs it shall we say has a particular tongue in cheek style which I enjoy. But the underlying message does have relevance the vast majority of the time, here's the link....
LINK

solomon
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solomon Wrote: | 17.50GMT | Nov 7, 2007

Somebody should tell our players that to achieve the objective of playing free flowing football like Arsenal or Barcelona, we need to be mobile on the field. Only mikel seemed to understand this. Essien and Makalele can't simply do this. Kudos to Richie,Alex,Bridge and Good old Cech. we can do better than this.

alex
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alex Wrote: | 19.32GMT | Nov 7, 2007

Clive...i still say we were more inept in the liverpool game....we neither got a 'clean sheet' nor the draw that would have taken us to the FINAL...

We were clueless throughout that match, playing in our own half almost the entire match....even when we were a goal down and needed to score to get to the FINAL!

Yesterday's was not a 'MUST WIN' game...Goodness! we could even have lost the match and still be in the race for the trophy...

Agreed some of the players played poorly...and the technical crew got some things wrong in the game strategy...but to say it was the most inept game in recent years, that would not be correct my friend

Always Blue!

Clive
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Clive Wrote: | 19.51GMT | Nov 7, 2007

Alex.. I think we'll just have to agree to disagree.

CheBeef
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CheBeef Wrote: | 20.52GMT | Nov 7, 2007

Mark,

Why can it not be that when we win the players are picking themselves up with a mentality that TSO beat in to them? And when our new manager takes control and tries to or not to influence the game we play like last night? This isn't having it both ways, just that's the way it is.

I'm sure Henk is bringing a different style to our players, but guaranteed that's not what put 6 goals past citeh. It takes time for players and so the team to change their style of play and to have it as second nature in them. I'm not sure with our current backbone that it'll happen to soon. In the mean time i predict our results will be up and down and with no consistencey.

K/T/B/F/F/H

Mark
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Mark Wrote: | 22.30GMT | Nov 7, 2007

CheBeef - let me make sure I understand this. You're saying that for the previous 7 games Avram has either had no input or the input he's given has been ignored by the team and they instead played the way TSO coached them. And last night for some reason they decided to listen to Avram, ignore what they'd learnt from TSO, and look what happens?

Just to make sure I'm re-aligned with your way of thinking presumably Elvis was cryogenically frozen and will shortly be resuscitated and I'm about to be kidnapped by aliens and transported to their princess in a galaxy far away and used for a bizarre sexual experiment?

Clive
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Clive Wrote: | 22.38GMT | Nov 7, 2007

"Just to make sure I’m re-aligned with your way of thinking presumably Elvis was cryogenically frozen and will shortly be resuscitated and I’m about to be kidnapped by aliens and transported to their princess in a galaxy far away and used for a bizarre sexual experiment?"

Sounds plausible, enjoy your trip... but you're totally wrong with Elvis he never died, everyone knows he's alive because he lives just around the back from my local Mcdonalds ;-)

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CheBeef Wrote: | 22.46GMT | Nov 7, 2007

Elvis was defrosted a few weeks ago; ahead of schedule! And i thought you'd already been probed and the'd left something up there, hence the limp ;-)

I think his input has had little effect on recent games. And last night AG imposed his rule, it was a preformance of that they hadn't a clue where each other should be and how to proceed with play. For me it's as if they were given instructions but never as before, so were bemused.

K/T/B/F/F/H

Our

Cashif
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Cashif Wrote: | 01.36GMT | Nov 8, 2007

Guido you must be on another planet if you think Kalou is stronger than Joe Cole. Joe Cole#s got a spring on him as well. Kalou has his qualities (he can run at people and ease past them sometimes) and you're probably right he should have come on earlier.

Yesterday looked like the Schalke manager had his tactics well thought out, and purs needed some changes that didn't transpire.

Other than Carvalho and maybe Cech, we were pure SHIT in terms of quality.

There was some fight in us but strangely it looked like everyone was fighting for himself rather than fighting as part of a team.

Something is 'broken'.
It sure looked that way yesterday.

And In Malouda's defence, there wer hardly any options for him when he was forward -- Other than a ball onto a very very innefctive Wayne Bridge.

Joe Cole would have been better used through the middle.

Drogba was isolated and looked out of sorts AGAIN. The Schalje centre backs had him under control with ease.

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limetreebower Wrote: | 02.04GMT | Nov 8, 2007

I luv Maka but I have to agree he had a stinker. As ever he did some great things -- a few of those amazing sharp quick passes forward when the player he's found hasn't even realised he's in space -- but he seemed totally unable to mop up at the back and hang onto the ball like he used to. We looked much safer with Mikel on.

The thing that really scared me was Joe. He was hopeless. Let's hope it was just an off night like the Brazilians were clearly having (I think we've seen enough of both Belletti and Alex to know they're very good). But Joe couldn't make any inroads on the game at all, and infuriatingly he kept trying his tricks even when there was no point to them. Is he reverting to the player he was when he first arrived at Chelsea? Let's *really* hope it was just an off night, he's been good in other games recently.

It shows up the pointlessness of the whole Grant v José debate. Of course AG hasn't magically transformed the team into Barca Mk II in seven games. Equally, of course José didn't suddenly become a rubbish manager after two seasons of being brilliant. CheBeef is surely right: we're going to be up and down this year. At the end of the season let's see if we've emulated (say) what we did last year -- the season that "proved" José was "no good", two cups, second in the league and semi-finals of the Big One -- and then those of us who aren't convinced by Grant will either have to eat our words, or not. (Or give all the credit to ten Cate, which is my backup plan.)

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Southside Bucky Wrote: | 02.08GMT | Nov 8, 2007

It didn't make comfortable viewing that's for sure, but you can almost smell the anticipation of some people, just waiting for a chance to rip into grant the moment he makes the slightest slip.
Watch 'em go when we actually lose...

Yeah, the buck ultimately stops with Grant, but last night's performance (or lack of it) was really caused by some dreadful individual displays. It'll be interesting to see the team's reaction on Sunday, 'cause (hopefully) some players will have had their arses kicked.

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MikeL Wrote: | 02.56GMT | Nov 8, 2007

I do not see today many of the plastic clowns who embraced Avram Grant as a tactical messiah. This CL game had shown that he is nothing else, but copycat and all his remarks about bringing this club to the attractive football are simply bollocks. Playing the same formation as T.S.O. did, and make the same changes as T.S.O. did, makes him hero only against such inept opposition like Wigan and Manchester City. I shall wait for the Liverpool game in Carling Cup to tell you “I said so”, bloody plastic clowns.

Fariza Hani
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Fariza Hani Wrote: | 03.50GMT | Nov 8, 2007

I can't help but saying something about this whole thing about TSO's legacy. Whether some of you agree or not, there are something about this Chelsea team that have Jose's legacy. And it's ok because it's the good things that had define the team for the last 3 seasons and played major part last season when we had such traumatic season. These legacies from Jose are the team spirit, the winning mentality, the 'never-say-die-attitude', the will to win, the desire to give the best in every game and many more which are very important for any team to be successful. Jose had given that to the players and now he's gone all these things stay with the players, and that's great for the team because we always need this whoever the manager is. When the team does well of course the credit should be given to the man in charge and when the team doesn't do well, yes we can blame the manager. I can honestly say that I did blame Jose for certain games when I think he got the tactics wrong. I'll do the same to the current management. On the day, it's everybody's responsibility - the manager and the players. Even if the manager is good but the players do not give their best, then it's not going to work either. So everybody must give their best. I'm happy with the players that we have now especially those who have been at the club for the last three seasons or more than that, who had been through a lot -ups and down, difficult circumstances, all those comebacks in certain games because they would definitely used that experience for the future and that could be crucial for the team. And that's what I mean about Jose's legacy. It is something inside of the players that they can use forever. I'm sure the likes of JT, Lampard, Makelele and Drogba had something that they learn from their former manager apart from Jose that they still remember and use to motivate them. And this can only be good for the team. And maybe AG and Henk also will teach them something new but all those things that Jose had thought, will always be useful to the players. They don't have to say it publicly but use it to motivate themselves. I for one am very grateful for that.

Southside Bucky
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Southside Bucky Wrote: | 03.53GMT | Nov 8, 2007

Are these plastic clowns from the same circus as the bloodthirsty dwarfs you spoke of after the Leicester game?

MikeL
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MikeL Wrote: | 04.00GMT | Nov 8, 2007

Well if Peter can call us trolls, so you are a plastic clowns ;-)

Fariza Hani
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Fariza Hani Wrote: | 04.38GMT | Nov 8, 2007

" I’m sure the likes of JT, Lampard, Makelele and Drogba had something that they learn from their former manager INCLUDING Jose that they still remember and use to motivate them. "

MikeL
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MikeL Wrote: | 15.26GMT | Nov 8, 2007

There are no miracles in this life and there are no free lunches, if you open your eyes wide enough you will see it. The same as McLaren, midlevel manager of the midlevel English club can not be manager of the national team, the same Avram Grant, manager of midlevel club from really low level league can not be manager of Chelsea. It is extremely simple!!! He can win some games it is true, but he can not win campaigns it is simply not on his level!!! He can not install wining mentality in the players BECAUSE HE NEVER EXPERIENCED IT BY HIMSELF!!! We still continue on to use the heritage of Mourinho, but we dot grow and we DO NOT CHANGE!!! All this talk about changing Chelsea style is simply bollocks!!! The guy is playing the same formation, making the same changes and talking about new Chelsea!!! How can you be so blind!!!!!!

Jose Musumba
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Jose Musumba Wrote: | 16.27GMT | Nov 8, 2007

I had tried to post earlier but my net is acting up.

About tony'e assessment...You must have been watching another match...Lampard a 7???? For effort and courage and appearing he scores a 5 at most.

The only person above a five on that days showing was Cech and probably Carlvalho. The rest of the team was either average or way below average.

Wayne bridge too had a horrible night...but the worst night was experienced by.......

Avram Grant.

His setup of the team,
I can not fault his substitutions and his game plan.

Close to him was Drogba...Two lovely chances and he finnishes like he is not interested.

WOuld I say this is the worst game I have watched Chelsea at...Not really but it is sure ranking way up there with the worst ever.

One thing am happy about is that we are not hoofing the ball up front to Drogba. I love the ball on the ground as it is a more purposeful way of approaching footbal and not hopefully seeking some kind of knock on.

MikeL
We who have moved on feel that you comparison are not fair. We beat Valencia when they were riding high...Actually I think that we are the ones that made them enter the slump they are currently facing...same goes for Man City...They do have a good squad but something seems to be broken psychologically...

Avram past my test and like any human being will be allowed to err once in a while as long as it does not cost us our cups we seek!

When all is said and done a draw away has never really been a bad result especially against Schalke who beat your "strong" Rosenborg and considering we have not won on German soil for as long as I have been supporting Chelsea.

Our next match is Rosenborg away. This we will win.

Watching Everton tonight to se what kind of team we will be up against over the weekend...

Chelsea Chelsea Chelsea

Fifty
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Fifty Wrote: | 16.38GMT | Nov 8, 2007

I said at the end of last season Maka should be waved on his way with a hearty hand-shake and our sincere thanks, and the match just proved he's had his time.

Everything passed him by. Essien is the natural successor in that position purely because he can tackle and Mikel can't.

A poor performance, we've all mentioned it. Nothing much to add really, other than David Villa will be at Real Madrid next year, much as I'd like to see him in the Premier League.

CheBeef
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CheBeef Wrote: | 18.32GMT | Nov 8, 2007

Hopefully we can make a bid for David Villa in the January tansfer window, we'll need someone to score goals and i wouldn't like to count on Grandpa Shevy, Kalou and Pizaro; although the later could be the better.

K/T/B/F/F/H

Guido aKa Blue geeza
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Guido aKa Blue geeza Wrote: | 18.37GMT | Nov 8, 2007

Cashif,

my friend you must not be able to read, either that or you've skipped over completely what i've put. Can you explain where i've put Kalou is better than Joe Cole?! If you do read my section it clearly states "Kalou frustrates the life out of me" BUT on opinion which everyone is entitled to, Kalou would have been better equipped than Joe Cole! You don't see me lambasting you for ridiculous comment about something being "broken" when we've won 7 on the bounce and had one off game which i might add we didn't lose... but like i said before.

FOOTBALL IS ALL ABOUT OPINIONS!!!!!!!!!!

I might think Shevchenko is better than Drogba (which he clearly isn't) which would be an opinion i'm entitled to and you may disagree but i'm just pointing things out to you. So while you have your outrageous comments like something is "broken" i'll have my own "off this planet" comments about Kalou might have been better to start that particular game in front of Joe Cole. So i'd rather not argue as you are clearly a Chelsea brother in the fight for success but don't try to single me out, you'll find out i speak sense most of the time!

MikeL
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MikeL Wrote: | 18.44GMT | Nov 8, 2007

Jose,
We have different priorities probably.
My test for Avram is not winning games it is winning campaigns!!!

Cashif
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Cashif Wrote: | 20.38GMT | Nov 8, 2007

You might speak sense most of the time, pal, but I wasn't about let you saying "Kalou - quicker, strong, better in the air" go unanswered.

Your obviously implying Joe Cole is physically weak and Kalou isn't. Yeah sure, it's your opinion but that's just BALLACKS my friend.

The guy only needs a faint brush of the arm to go down, while Cole often has to wrestle people off.

Opinions are all well and good, especially those that actually give a reason.

" (Broken) It sure looked that way yesterday"

That's exactly the way it looked. Drogs might have meant the harmony off the pitch and the trust between players and all the rest of that, but I'm talking about the way we've looked on the pitch.

The Schalke performance was disjointed at best, but my worry is that the organization, that collective workrate where one player looks to be well covered by another all over the picth -- that's what seems to have gone.

Individual players look like they're just doing their bit to exempt themselves from blame.

And that was quick mate, you've 'become a really big fan of' avrant Grant already?

Seven games we won. You might be happy to feel comfortable with winning against Borough (Strikerless and injury stricken), Hull, Bolton (Sammy Lee's), Wigan (Just about), Man City (who gave us so much time and space it was ridiculous), Valencia (who in their current state must be in big problems - they lost to Rosenborg home and away)...

I'm more worried about what will happen when we play like we are against the bigger teams.

The way we are defending, we could be in for some nasty shocks when we do meet them.

Cashif
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Cashif Wrote: | 20.43GMT | Nov 8, 2007

CheBeef, Have to agree with you about Pizarro. Would love to see him get some full 90 mins for us.
It could be a fitness thing at the moment. Hopefully he'll have that sorted out soon...

Cashif
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Cashif Wrote: | 20.50GMT | Nov 8, 2007

Before anyone mentions the amount of clean sheets, we've been riding our luck BIG TIME.
Hopefully JT being back would help with that, but he hasn't been at his best for a while too, so like I said, It's worrying.

Expansive football. We won't outplay United, Arsenal , Barca etc, not yet anyway, so it would be good to feel that we're at least organized to cope with what they can throw at us.

Guido aKa Blue geeza
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Guido aKa Blue geeza Wrote: | 22.25GMT | Nov 8, 2007

Cashif,
Lets just agree to disagree otherwise you are just going to keep putting words in mouth which clearly have not been said my way. For anyone else reading Cashif's half arsed statements about what i've phantomly noted i'd just like to clear myself as saying i personally would have preferred Kalou ahead of Joe Cole against Shalke EVEN though i think Joe Cole is a much better player, i think Kalou's ability in attack might have caused Schalke's back line more problems than Joe flicks n tricks.
And yeah personally i'm a fan of Avram, Cashif. With him and Henk Ten Cate i feel confident even after 7 games unbeaten and f**k knows how long since another team scored against us so jog on PAL!

Deep blue
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Deep blue Wrote: | 19.17GMT | Nov 9, 2007

Guido, in what do you base your admiration for AV? In his long successful career? .. or in the way he works in the background undermining the work of others?...or just because the good results Chelsea is achieving? If the Answer is the last, I would advise you to be a bit more careful and giving some more time...because it's still to short to grow such an admiration based in such short period.

Jose Musumba
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Jose Musumba Wrote: | 20.20GMT | Nov 9, 2007

MikeL

I do agree that you have set the standard to winning trophies. After the issues, I was ready to just qualify for anything as long as we were not humiliated while doing so... I do not know many out there who honestly thought we would have had a decent run...

I was watching a review of Sir Alex Rednoses intro to the premiership...Did we all know he won nothing for the first 7 years... So for Avram to come in and steady the ship so early is near to amazing...

A friend the other day stated that he would be happy if we won the league but would still not believe in Avram. I do not like the guy much either but one thing for sure is that I have fallen in love with his approach to the game. I played a bit of footie in my younger days but I always hated a game that was played off the ground. Great football is always that zipping of balls on the turf like we are doing and not the rugby type of appraoch to the game...

So with this I am Avram supporting till another gets in...

Can we have some evertonian steak tomorrow and let them know that there can only be one BLUE!!!!

Chelsea Chelsea Chelsea

Chelsea Chelsea Chelsea

alex
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alex Wrote: | 22.41GMT | Nov 9, 2007

Took some time out to sort some things at the office...but can see that there's been much activity on this blog...

Seems like some pple cant even wait for the team to lose before pouring out their bile about the team...

In Jose's time, when we beat the same teams that we'd beaten in the last couple of games and our detractors say they'r weak teams....the same 'negative' guys above would say "you can only beat the team in front of you"

When the detractors complained that we played poorly...these same guys would say "its the points that count"

When our defence keeps clean sheets these days, they say its 'luck'...when we were escaping with very very late goals last season, it was put on resilience, and not luck...

We all can explain anything away depending on our disposition and biases...and since this is a blog, we expect to see all shades of thots....some tinted, others clear!

If some chose not to see anything good in the new management, they will never see it...thats just the way it is with biases!

one thing is for sure.... passionate people are not pessimists.... pessimism and passion dont blend cos pessimism is about 'giving up', 'resigning to fate', or 'surrendering'.... the beautiful game is a passion thing! its about looking for the highs and the victories, and celebrating them....not brooding about the lows and the slips...

Football is passion! and it is for the optimists!

AG and his crew need all the support they can get...i still believe they'r generally moving in the right direction...

I look forward to 3 points on sunday....and i know some of the so-called fans above do not....but i really dont give a twat!

Always Blue!

Clive
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Clive Wrote: | 23.12GMT | Nov 9, 2007

Alex... I think you're a little off the mark with most of Grant's detractors. What you call pessimism, others might call it realism. All teams need their share of luck, resilience and skill to win games and campaigns, Chelsea are no different.

I certainly hope and want us to get three points on Sunday and I'll be there in the Shed Upper shouting and singing for just that. I don't want Chelsea to fail just because I feel AG isn't good enough, as a matter of fact I want to be proved wrong!

But if he does fail it won't surprise me, that's not being pessimistic, just realistic. I think we all want the same thing on this blog, Chelsea to continue winning... in anyway, shape or form.

Free Bet Man
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Free Bet Man Wrote: | 02.57GMT | Nov 10, 2007

Well we'll have to improve vastly from the performance on Tuesday night!
For the first time since Avram took charge, we looked like a team which believed they could grab a victory without much effort and once again even as the 80th minute rolled up, not one of our guys stepped up to the plate and took it upon himself to take the game to Schalke.
Perhaps this is one of the reasons a lot of fans claim Steve Gerrard is a better midfielder than Frank Lampard.
Lamps was captain on Tuesday and at no point did it look as though we were going to even score never mind win.

chemmie
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chemmie Wrote: | 23.54GMT | Nov 11, 2007

although not glad we couldn't get all the three points today but still pleased with the unbeaten home record.
I dont understand why we played only DD and left 3 strikers on bench. cant avram pair him with sheva, pizzaro or kalou from the start? afterall he promised better attacking football.

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