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Premier League preview: Chelsea v. Liverpool; thieves in the temple...

Friday, 08 February 08, 04:52 PM · Comments (52)

It is of course a coincidence that during the week of the Liverpool game, my thoughts have turned to theft and skulduggery. Have you noticed how much pilfering has been going on of late?

From the grand level of pinching whereby an insouciant Frenchman seems to have ‘lost’ his employers a few billion Euros, to a spot of pastry theft in the European City of Culture, someone, somewhere has been on the take. In fact, I’ve had your wristwatch while you’ve been reading this.

But the best 21st century thefts are always the ones which are spun as progress. News emerged yesterday that all 20 Premier League clubs had gathered round their communal trough and pondered how to get their hands on some more cash.

Well, you have to fund your star player’s next hyper-expensive sports car, tasteful 48 bedroom dwelling and pay-off for the old slapper he shagged up the arse while off his noggin in a nightclub toilet somehow, don’t you?

Apparently, the few million Brits whose hard-earned cash is dwindling faster than the number of people with any principles in the beautiful game simply aren’t sufficient to keep pace with such strenuous financial demands.

That includes those of you that supported your team and the national game during the years when the mention of English football teams travelling abroad was either banned completely or viewed more as a threat than a business opportunity. Thanks for your support.

So the proposal (still in its infancy, we are assured) is that they play some games in such locations as China, the Middle East and the good old US of A. Sadly, I’ve looked at my Travelcard and it appears that I can’t get to the Shanghai Stadium or Wrigley Field on my Zone 1-6 ticket.

But of course, we now have the marvellous option of consumer choice to soften the blow - should we spend our hard-earned income on a season ticket, Sky with the sports package, Setanta or just the occasional £14.95 to view Chelsea v. Arsenal kick off at 2am in Peking?

Similar to the NHS Patient’s Charter whereby one can choose which hospital you want to contract C.difficile in, but without the added entertainment of a bed bath at half time.

Several Premiership figures, including idiot in chief Richard Scudamore and porn king David Gold have made the inevitable noises about it being ‘the right time’ for the scheme which is a ‘logical progression’, presumably oblivious to a few hundred thousand dissenting voices. I do so love being told its raining whilst someone is pissing down my back.

Unfortunately, it seems that the growing sound of a few hundred million Chinese eager to consume Premiership product is clearly loud enough to drown us out.

We would hope that this frankly obscene suggestion by the bean counters would attract the attention of Sepp Blatter, so often a critic of the evils of big money and its polluting effect on the beautiful game, to make a suggestion that might focus the minds of those intent on franchising the national sport out to the highest bidders.

Would it not be a good idea for global football’s most powerful man to insist that the richest league on earth donate a large portion of the receipts from the Manchester United v. Liverpool clash in Dubai to the local football association to aid such luxuries as development, decent facilities, training and funding for stadia refurbishment and building? How about compensating the local clubs whose attendances will inevitably suffer when the Premiership Globetrotters roll into town?

An event about as likely as spending this coming Sunday afternoon at the Bridge and not hearing words ‘history’, ‘five times’ or ‘Istanbul’, I’d imagine.

Which brings us nicely on to Sunday’s opponents, who have also suffered at the hands of thieves this week as previously mentioned.

News of the theft of Jamie Carragher’s 30th birthday cake didn’t come as a huge shock, it has to be said. But aside of the obvious regional stereotypes, it might be an idea to ignore the usual suspects and employ a spot of Cracker style psychological profiling in order to catch the culprit.

We’re clearly looking for someone with a huge appetite for cake. Someone who is a bit overweight, possibly? Could be comfort eating to mask disappointment or stress? Trying to hide any tell-tale signs of weight gain (as a friend of mine remarked, men in their forties only indulge in odd goatee beard type experiments to cover up an extra chin or two)?

So has anyone actually checked Rafa’s office for tell-tale chunks of marzipan? That’s all I’m saying.

After such sorry tales, a small beam of light appeared in the form of Fabio Capello, a man who clearly retains a few old-fashioned values and principles. The England boss apparently isn’t keen on losing football matches, bad manners, lateness, WAGs or boozing. Does he view the England job as aversion therapy?

But welcome to England Fabio - if you haven’t been hounded out of the job by the xenophobes in two years, enjoy the flight to Peking to watch half of your squad knacker themselves out before the next tournament you’ll be slated for exiting at the quarter-final stage.

Team news for Sunday is, as ever, on the BBC website if you want chapter and verse, but as far as we’re concerned Mikel should be back, Lampard could appear at some point while Drogba, Kalou and Essien are presumably still in Africa licking their collective wounds and hoping to restore some pride by clinching third place in the Africa Cup of Nations. Shevchenko is still an expensive, malingering pillock who needs a 5-wood shoving firmly up his fairway.

For the visitors, who last scored at Stamford Bridge about five years ago, Torres is out with hamstring trouble joining Agger, Voronin, Arbeloa and Aurelio in a fairly crowded treatment room. Alonso is suspended while the Cake Thief is hoping that someone remembers to take Mascherano out of the overhead locker when his flight from Los Angeles lands sometime today.

Prediction: Rafa will be first to the post match buffet, but he’ll be disappointed and comfort eating again.

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SimonT
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SimonT Wrote: | 17.51GMT | Feb 8, 2008

Maybe Roman's private jet will fly Drogba & Co. back in time for the Sunday match.

CheBeef
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CheBeef Wrote: | 19.26GMT | Feb 8, 2008

LOL, I now have to email all known cockney reds!

I'm not supprised by the proposed plans of playing matches abroad. Anything to raise money and the bank balances of the fat cats is never a suprise. All the flying around the world will take a much greater toll on the teams also playing in europe. Imagine having to fly to L.A in the busy christamas period just after the europian group stages, then having to play ever 2-3 days for a month.

I'm sure the players on top wages are happy enough without the extra air miles, even if it does mean an increase in wages.

My prediction for this weekend is a chelsea win and Fat-Raffa to get the boot.

K.T.B.F.F.H

Jose Musumba
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Jose Musumba Wrote: | 19.35GMT | Feb 8, 2008

Cake thief?

Now you have me laughing silly Cake thief...Hhahahahaha...

Good one there...

We have been given the chance to beat the Cake thief and his wheatabix....

Hahahahahaha

Nick Benfield
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Nick Benfield Wrote: | 19.36GMT | Feb 8, 2008

The reality is that if the twenty Premier League clubs decide that they want a few extra million pounds income then there's probably very little we can do about it.

The groups that profess to represent the fans can talk themselves hoarse about revolutions and votes etc., it will not make any difference. If season ticket holders decide not to renew their tickets in protest, it will not make any difference - there will always be plenty more waiting in the queue to replace them, particularly at bigger clubs. Money v. Fans. Money wins by three clear goals every time.

I suppose the one thing in the fans' favour is that it affects all twenty clubs, so the possibility is there for us to put aside our rivalries and form a consensus to try and do something about this madness. I remain pessimistic though.

As far as I'm concerned, the whole thing is unworkable and destroys the concept of a competitive league. In fact the more I think about it the more laughable it becomes. Let's just hope FIFA does something about it. I don't live in hope because I suspect a large slice of the income earned by the Premier League from this plan will probably find its way into the coffers of world football's governing body.

I'm interested to know what our international readers think about Scudamore's plan for world domination.

CheBeef
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CheBeef Wrote: | 19.54GMT | Feb 8, 2008

I just read Fergy was disappointed about the Prem games being played abroad. Or rather the fact that it was published in the press and wasn't discussed and made certain between the club owners and directors.

Maybe the early leak will help suppress this idea.

Fifty
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Fifty Wrote: | 20.20GMT | Feb 8, 2008

I'll start with my take on the 'Premier League abroad'. First and foremost, why have 20 clubs been consulted ??? What the hell has it got to do with Derby County what happens in the Premiership in a few years ?? They'll be playing Championship football quicker than it takes to stuff a Victoria Sponge in your under-crackers.

A ridiculous idea for some many reasons it's untrue. The rumour is the games will count to the league. What happens if, say, it's a 3 horse race in the league and two of the contenders fly to Auckland to play, only for the game to be called off for one reason or another. Never mind, come back next week lads.....

Secondly, you'll never be able to guarantee a glamorous fixture every time, so I can hardly see Heinz Field in Pittsburgh being sold to capacity for Sunderland v Bolton. Pointless.

Mr Scudamore, if you're reading, here's what you should do. Milk even more money from the Premier League by selling even more TV rights to Money-is-no-object-istan, add an extra game to the fixture list and limit the entry prices to £10 for everyone, or specifically open the gates for non-season ticket holders.

On to Sunday. I'm still not convinced Torres is out. It'll be a tough game. With only Mikel back, things wont be much different for us. Based on his questionable temperament, I reckon Stevie Me will be winding him up all game.

This sounds bad, but I wont be disappointed with a point. It's too easy to say they're missing so-and-so, but useless planks like Kuyt and Crouch will no doubt turn into World Beaters for 90 minutes on Sunday. And we hardly looked amazing against Pompey last time.

On a positive note, Essien, Drogs and Kalou will be back early next week. Bit of a blessing it's Huddersfield in the cup where they may not be needed for 90 minutes - so a rest and then everyone is focussed on Olympiakos a week Wednesday with only JT still out. I hear Sheva's playing in some charity golf tournament. Again.

Finally, not sure why I've thought of it, but are we due a new home shirt next season ???

Jonathan Dyer
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Jonathan Dyer Wrote: | 20.26GMT | Feb 8, 2008

It is all very depressing. From the other side of the coin, maybe I don't have the mentality of an overseas fan, but if I was a baseball fanatic and followed the New York Mets, personally I couldn't imagine anything more dull than going to see them at Wembley or the Oval; the whole point is (or maybe was) the experience of going to the place where the legend has been made. I suppose that becomes less important as clubs move to newly built identikit stadia; all part of the brand rather than anything else. I'd mark this out as a very sad day for football.

And the thought of watching a title / relegation decider played out 3,500 miles away - horrible.

Dylbo
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Dylbo Wrote: | 21.23GMT | Feb 8, 2008

AS an australian who is going to marry(fingers crossed) a spuds fan(booo) i find the whole international thing ridiculous. i became infatuated with the game from a little street just of the kings road when i was 19 and all i can see benefiting from this is those with their hands firmly in the pie.

one extra game? gee fingers crossed we get derby? it's prostitution of the players and the fans. sure, i would love to be at more premier leaugue games, but until i get another working visa/married, i will have to watch it on tv.

chelsea winning the title in china as a consequence of arsenal losing to everton in sydney? no thanks. i'd rather not be a part of that(mainly cos i hate sydney).

in drunken short, no. no thanks. i love the EPL. i love it because of the fans and the environment that the english create. lets not globalise EVERYTHING

im drunk

Stowe
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Stowe Wrote: | 21.39GMT | Feb 8, 2008

As an American who has visited the Bridge twice, I want to echo JD's sentiments. Even if we were to get Chelsea-man U in a super six pointer (or whatever sky would deem it), the idea of seeing it played out on a crap pitch at the Meadowlands is hardly mouthwatering. And outside of the top 4, there are very few clubs I'd pay over 30 bucks to see (and what would our sports gurus see fit to charge for the aforementioned Bolton-Derby contest). It's pathetic and here's to hoping (but not believing) that it will never happen.

Oh, and I suppose I should mention something about beating the Scousers too.

Dylbo
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Dylbo Wrote: | 21.43GMT | Feb 8, 2008

if it were on a tueday stowe we could call it a super tuesday....

Tony Glover
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Tony Glover Wrote: | 22.04GMT | Feb 8, 2008

@ Dylbo

Drunk is good. No problem with being drunk. Hope to be there later as well :-)

I have nothing to add to the overseas game debate. We play overseas in the CL and to be honest I can't see any club putting up with trips to Uncle Sam's backyard or the Outback unless the Xmas schedule is drastically cut......and of course the traditionalists won't like that.

Here's an idea though to please all sides, one which would help promote the EPL abroad and mean something to the teams.

Play the Community Shield in a foreign country. Get a sponsor to put a £20 million prize forward, plus £500k for each player on the winning team. Charity still gets the gate receipts. The advertising alone will reap in far more than that, as will the extra merchandising sales. The losers get nothing. EPL Champions vs FA cup Winners in a big money pre-season footie festival at a different high profile overseas venue? And be honest...would many of us miss the visit to Wembley for this season opener?

Failing that...how about the top 3 plus the FA cup winners or the next team down play a mini tournament pre-season in the week leading to the Community Shield, same money prizes and same gate take for the charity element. Then it's the best of the EPL on show, promoting the game but not affecting the actual EPL or FA Cup. In fact it might make the FA Cup a more lucrative target because as Nick say...money talks and (cliche alert) at the end of the day it will always be the main driver.

Tony Glover
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Tony Glover Wrote: | 22.05GMT | Feb 8, 2008

Oh...and Frank Lampard trained today and will agin tomorrow...so expect a bench place at the least.

Jonathan Dyer
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Jonathan Dyer Wrote: | 22.10GMT | Feb 8, 2008

It's stuff like that which should be investigated Tony; the competition we took part in a few years back in Malaysia; why not have a mid/end of season tournament of that type instead of the League Cup?

Dylbo
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Dylbo Wrote: | 22.15GMT | Feb 8, 2008

trouble with it being non Pl is that it would just be reserve teams out...

Jonathan Dyer
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Jonathan Dyer Wrote: | 22.27GMT | Feb 8, 2008

Not entirely convinced that it wouldn't be the case if they did it with the PL Dylbo; can't see the likes of Derby sending a full squad to Peking to face Man Utd when there are more winnable games on the horizon. Such a massive distortion of the league format.

Dylbo
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Dylbo Wrote: | 22.33GMT | Feb 8, 2008

agreed mr dyer, but i could imagine chelsea sending a relatively full squad if it was versus a top 8 side, especially if 3 valuable points were on the line. i mean , we dropped 2 to postsmouth and people are saying our challenge is over.. 14 games from the end of the season.

im of the opinion that this new format owuld make a $$$ mockery of the EPL

Tony Glover
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Tony Glover Wrote: | 22.39GMT | Feb 8, 2008

Cheers JD...just my view. I believe even the richest EPL team would not sniff at a £20 million prize and if there's nothing for the others then wouldn't that just make for a keener comp? wouldn't all the entrants want to win/be under pressure from bean counters to win?

Like I said it ticks all the common sense boxes....oh wait...that's the obvious mistake...Common Sense and Football Authorities is a bit like mixing Guinness and Lager in the same glass.

Dylbo
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Dylbo Wrote: | 22.44GMT | Feb 8, 2008

apparently frangellico and dark ale is a winner mr glover

Mark
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Mark Wrote: | 23.23GMT | Feb 8, 2008

Why is everyone moaning about overseas games? Wake up – we’re in the 21st century and it’s a global village.

Everyone in the world is migrating to Britain anyway, more specifically within the boundary of the M25, so we’ll all be emigrating soon to get a bit of space and we just have to make sure we emigrate to wherever Chelsea are playing overseas.

I think I might start learning Polish.

Clive
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Clive Wrote: | 00.43GMT | Feb 9, 2008

Looks like Mr Bloater is having a little sulk about the plans having heard it through the media first....
LINK

Anyway back to Sunday, I suppose we should always welcome our cultural friends from the Wirral. I think most of us (who have kids) should really take them along for the 90 minute Maths, History & Geography lesson we get every time we meet.

The only trouble is with these small teams that come and play us... is that they raise their game against the big boys, and we all know how the British public love the plucky underdog.

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lollipop Wrote: | 00.51GMT | Feb 9, 2008

I think it`s a pathetic idea to take teams abroad to play football. What`s up? Don`t people in China, America or the Middle East own bloody tv`s or something?! At the end of the day, if anyone living here is a fan of American Football, you have to tune into Setanta or Channel 5 at ungodly hours of the morning to watch a game, why can`t they do that? Surely if they were determined enough to watch a match, they`d do that too wouldn`t they? Ok, fair enough, an American Football game was played at Wembley, i didn`t watch it because it doesn`t interest me in the slightest, find it boring to be honest, but the whole of the league didn`t come over here to play. And wasn`t one of the teams the worst team in the league? The Dolphins? So it`s not even like we were treated to a "quality" game anyways!! Why don`t they ever ask fans` opinions on anything like this? It`s our clubs that are going to suffer right? It`s inevitible that all the globetrotting is going to take it`s toll on players as well, which will end in poor results when it comes to playing games back home. The thought of it is enough to wind me up. Really hope it`s an idea that doesn`t go any further!!!
Up the Chels xxx

limetreebower
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limetreebower Wrote: | 01.58GMT | Feb 9, 2008

The whole Premiership abroad nonsense is being packaged using the same utterly loathsome combination of businessspeak and spin which now seems the only mode of public discourse we have. Scudamour talking about "an idea whose time has come", as if this proposal had some sort of historical inevitability about it and represented progress ... his laughable sophistry about how the "symmetry" of the league is different from it's "balance" (right, so every team playing every other team home and away is *not* the only absolutely fair wat to determine the best team in the country?) ... and of course the single thing that absolutely everyone knows but he is not saying, which is that the only reason for this is of course to help the club owners finance the debts and/or turn the profits. They know it, we know it, they know we know it, but still all the idiocy about "progress" and "global outeach" and "exciting new opportunities" is being peddled to us.

The great secret of this, as New Labour discovered, is that spin works even when everyone knows it's utter nonsense, because there's eff all we can do about it. They have the money, they'll do what they want.

Seems funny to think back four years and remember that we were the evil villains who were ruining football by falling into the clutches of the foreign billionaire. Now it turns out of course that our model is actually relatively benign -- the last thing RA needs is more money, he just wants to have fun. Compared to the shysters at Man "Our Tradition Is Not For Sale" Utd and Liver "Our History Is Not For Sale" Poo, who are in it for the business opportunity, we're a bastion of respect for the game.

limetreebower
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limetreebower Wrote: | 01.59GMT | Feb 9, 2008

[apologies for the usual humiliating typos]

Greenlight
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Greenlight Wrote: | 02.44GMT | Feb 9, 2008

As above.... a ridiculous idea to take the Premier League around the world.... Even for a fan in Melbourne!

Personally I think Tony's idea of using the Community Shield weekend to showcase the league around the world is far more sensible. The reality is that it will probably happen anyway, but the best thing about the league is the fact that it is fair because everyone plays everyone else home and away. Once that changes the EPL becomes as silly as the AFL in Australa.

Dylbo.... Whereabouts in OZ are you? As a SYdney-hater I assume it isn't there!

Left Footer
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Left Footer Wrote: | 05.12GMT | Feb 9, 2008

As a die-hard Chelsea supporter living in the footie wasteland that is the United States, I would normally jump at any chance to watch my team live without having to cross the pond (something I can only afford once a year--sob!). But this ludicrous, money-grubbing scheme really takes the biscuit. It screws up the integrity of the league (and yes I know some refs are already doing that quite well as it is), it's insulting to other countries that already have their own leagues with established fanbases, and it's a slap in the face to the loyal supporters who have been going home and away for years that their time and money isn't good enough anymore.

As far as I'm concerned the Premiership bigwigs who spawned this festering turd of an idea can remove their heads from their collective arses and insert several Rafa-sized, blazing hot, spiky pokers instead. I'll get the coals on.

Stowe
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Stowe Wrote: | 07.52GMT | Feb 9, 2008

@ left footer

"Footie wasteland"!!!!!???? The MLS isn't THAT bad.


Oh, I'm sorry. I've reconsidered. It actually is. My mistake.

Clive
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Clive Wrote: | 15.32GMT | Feb 9, 2008

JD
On the possibility that Rafa might have had his cake and eaten it or someone else's for that matter. I have to say that he can't be guilty, speaking from recent experience having just sported my newly acquired goatee (wife suggested I try one and see and thinks it suits me) although I think it's a ploy of hers to cover more of my ugly face. Anyway if he had eaten it, I can tell you that Marzipan is a bastard of a thing to remove from any facial hair, but had he shaved said goatee... then that would have surely been an admission of guilt!

Nick Benfield
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Nick Benfield Wrote: | 20.45GMT | Feb 9, 2008

"It's a strange and comical idea. I laughed because it will never be received by Fifa, by the fans and the national associations. It's a nonsense idea. It's like if I am the president of Uefa and I put the house of Uefa in China. It's ironic. Soon you will have in England no English presidents, you already have no English coach and maybe now you will have no clubs playing in England. It's a joke." - Michel Platini

Dio
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Dio Wrote: | 21.14GMT | Feb 9, 2008

Well, well, i read this and burst out LOL!! when someone starts to push their own agenda you know it's because they see trouble on the horizon This is from the papers today.......

"And Carragher's Liverpool team-mate John Arne Riise is also hopeful of earning a rare three-point haul in West London.
"It wouldn't be a sensation for Liverpool to win at Chelsea because we have a good team," Riise told the Daily Express.
"We are going there confident we will win. After all, we are a big club. We are Liverpool."

And as Villa have just beaten Newcastle 4-1, it means they have put a load more pressure on Benitez for Fourth!!! Come on Chelsea boys....bang that last nail in the coffin for fourth!!!!

Online Betting King
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Online Betting King Wrote: | 23.36GMT | Feb 9, 2008

With Torres out we have a great chance of taking all the points off Rafa's boys tomorrow. They're playing pretty poorly at the moment and with the exception of Pompey last weekend we've been absolutely flying.
I can't wait to see what we're like when all the boy's are back although I have a nagging thought in the back of my mind that is telling me that we wont play as well.

On another note, does anyone know which pub is going to be seeing all the atmosphere on Carling Cup Final day? I'm getting a train down from Leeds without a ticket so I want to savour every minute while I'm down there if I can't get hold of a ticket.

Stowe
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Stowe Wrote: | 23.53GMT | Feb 9, 2008

I suspect Mikel will start tomorrow but it seems we often prefer Makelele for the bigger games. I'd like to see Obi but...thoughts?

Clive
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Clive Wrote: | 00.07GMT | Feb 10, 2008

I think Obi One will get on at some point but he'll probably start with Ukulele. Besides I think Looserpoo are punching above their weight at the moment, after all there is only a Big Three not this mythical Big Four ;-) Rafa to manage Newcastle in the summer anyone?

Nick Benfield
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Nick Benfield Wrote: | 03.20GMT | Feb 10, 2008

Globalisation of Premier League is fans' fault.

Re: Obi starting tomorrow. Makelele's been close to his best in recent games and has had a week to recover from Portsmouth, so I expect him to start. Obi played reasonably well for Nigeria at the Africa Nations Cup but didn't set the world on fire, and his tendency to commit daft fouls might work against him in a game of this magnitude. Makelele for me.

limetreebower
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limetreebower Wrote: | 05.46GMT | Feb 10, 2008

Is it really that big a game?

Seriously: is it?

A home game against one of the fairly numerous upper middling Premiership sides, one of those teams with a few good players, a couple of excellent ones, and quite a few obvious limitations.

Every game's a big game in the sense that if we drop points then that's bad. Beyond that, there's nothing very special about this one that I can see. All the bitter rivalry stuff is presumably on their side, not ours -- I assume they are "bitter rivals" with all the teams whom they somehow think they ought to be superior to but in fact aren't as good as.

I also vote Maka, incidentally.

Nick Benfield
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Nick Benfield Wrote: | 06.19GMT | Feb 10, 2008

I suppose I always consider playing Liverpool to be a 'big' game because I hate them with a passion... and it would be unbearable if they were to break our run of games undefeated at the Bridge. Unbearable I tell you! The 'no history', 'five times' bollocks is bad enough. [Insert the plural of the 'C' word here].

Good to see Stephen Hunt on the end of a bad tackle in the Everton game yesterday. Nice one Lee Carsley.

Clive
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Clive Wrote: | 14.29GMT | Feb 10, 2008

If true a certain blogger here will be a happy bunny....
LINK

The only downside is the man might consider Rottenham, we should perhaps give a full psychological assessment along with his physical!

Alan
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Alan Wrote: | 15.27GMT | Feb 10, 2008

A very well written piece Jonathan, and very funny as well.

With the players Liverpool have out today we should win but then again anything can happen really. I'm going to go for a 2-0 Chelsea win, Anelka and SWP getting the goals.

Tony Glover
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Tony Glover Wrote: | 17.37GMT | Feb 10, 2008

Lucky pants - check
Lucky socks - check
Lucky shirt - check
Lucky jeans - check
lucky trainers - oh my god ...they're brand new!

Aaahhh bollocks....who needs luck?

*walks away fingers and toes crossed*

Jonathan Dyer
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Jonathan Dyer Wrote: | 18.23GMT | Feb 10, 2008

If we lose Tony, I reserve the right to beat you with your new trainers...!

SimonT
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SimonT Wrote: | 20.37GMT | Feb 10, 2008

If ManCity and Chelsea win, I want Tony's lucky underpants! :-)

Jonathan Dyer
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Jonathan Dyer Wrote: | 21.27GMT | Feb 10, 2008

SimonT - if we complete that particular double, we'll be auctioning said undergarments on here tomorrow...!

Evan
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Evan Wrote: | 21.36GMT | Feb 10, 2008

I would be lying if I said I was confident that belletti will keep babel in his pocket...

Dylbo
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Dylbo Wrote: | 21.57GMT | Feb 10, 2008

2-0 to the Chelsea boys today is my opinion. 34th and 75th minute (closing it out for once)

couldn't stand the thought of scum ending our home record...

then just need blackburn to do a number on the arse and it will be a sound weekend.

BoyinBlue (Chris)
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BoyinBlue (Chris) Wrote: | 03.11GMT | Feb 11, 2008

So, not the best result, but an unexpected point gained back on United is better than none at all. All the games recently have taken their toll, and we have done well to last this long.

Arsenal's game tomorrow will decide how good this weekend has been. A loss would be fantastic, a draw would leave us how we started six points behind, but a win for them will end our chances of winning the league once and for all, in my opinion. Eight points, nine including goal difference, is too much for us to make up even with the Africans back.

I've posted this already elsewhere: we need to beat both of them at home. United still have to face Arsenal and Liverpool at Old Trafford, with Liverpool also travelling to the Emirates. Liverpool are no threat to our third place position now, I feel, but they could help us immensely in the long run.

Tony Glover
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Tony Glover Wrote: | 03.52GMT | Feb 11, 2008

Guys...those trainers let us down today!

I've done a review...you can guess it is pretty scathing as that was the worst game I've seen at SB, certainly this season but possibly ever. Joe Cole was shockingly poor today, but looked like pele when compared to that useless lump Malouda when he came on.

Sorry Chris, but i can't see it as a point gained, rather 2 lost on a day when we could have really started to breathe down the Mancs necks. However I do agree that the title is to all intents and purposes, not coming back to SB this year.

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Jonathan Dyer Wrote: | 04.08GMT | Feb 11, 2008

That was truly fucking awful - no excuses, we failed badly as a team today and sadly Avram looked clueless as to what to do to make a difference; midfield was awful until Mikel came on - just the kind of game that needed Drogba to batter an inexperienced centre half into submission. Very poor, however you cut it and an opportunity wasted.

BoyinBlue (Chris)
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BoyinBlue (Chris) Wrote: | 04.38GMT | Feb 11, 2008

I don't disagree; it was definitely a spurned opportunity on our part from an absolute gift. Most of us expected United to beat City comfortably today.

My point is that even if this draw is definitely not the result we wanted, United's slip-up has allowed us to make the mistake without too much damage. Imagine if United had won and we had got the draw; then, it would certainly have been curtains for us finishing any higher!

One of my United friends thinks that even if Arsenal do beat Blackburn tomorrow, we are still in a slight chance. A draw or a loss tomorrow is not that unlikely.

The return of Drogba and Kalou, along with a fit Lampard and Sheva, will give us many more attacking options. Grant should never have taken Cole off for Pizarro in my opinion - Pizarro was on for ten minutes and still managed to out-awful everyone else on the pitch. When our other three strikers are back, he thankfully won't even be able to make the bench.

Clive
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Clive Wrote: | 04.44GMT | Feb 11, 2008

It was just like watching two conference sides today, they were as both bad as each other. I've never seen so many misplaced passes, awful doesn't even come close to describing it, useless would be more appropriate. I can't recall either keeper having to make a save of any significance, the term barn door springs to mind.

Yes I agree, if the Arse beat Blackburn on Monday, then it really puts them in a very strong position, and it would take a catastrophic failure on their part if they failed to kick on and capitalize from it.

Greenlight
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Greenlight Wrote: | 05.07GMT | Feb 11, 2008

Dreadful game and there were very few highlights. The number of misplaced passes was ridiculous and the age-old problem of Lampard and Ballack playing together doesn't seem to have worked itself out. As much as I hate to say it, Gerrard appeared to be the only player in the midfield able to find any room at all.

For me the jury is still out on Anelka too..... Drogba he ain't, and whilst I think he will combine well with Didier if we start playing with 2 forwards, I don't think he is strong enough to hold the ball up as a target man, and he appeared lightweight when confronted with their new boy ( name escapes me.... sprained wrist) and squeeky Carragher.

I can't see Arsenal not beating Blckburn, so for me too the league is out of reach this year now.

Reality is, we have now taken 3 points from a possible 15 against Arse, Utd, Liverpool and Everton and that simply isn't the stuff Champions are made of!

Deep Blue
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Deep Blue Wrote: | 05.49GMT | Feb 11, 2008

All points to a trophyless season and the worse is that the promised entertaining football with plenty goals is taking time to materialise. God save us ...

loaded-barrel-gooner
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loaded-barrel-gooner Wrote: | 06.12GMT | Feb 11, 2008

The game was awful and listening to Avram Grant talking is enough to send you to sleep. In his head he believes he is playing wonderful football. I'm a Gooner and I'm disappointed Mourinho left. Just watching him on the touch line was enough entertainment. As for the title. One team who should not drop points is Chelsea. Anymore dropped points and it will a 2 horse race. I believe its our turn this year

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limetreebower Wrote: | 06.48GMT | Feb 11, 2008

In the first half there was at least one team playing vaguely competently (but it wasn't us). The second half was the worst 45 minutes of football I've seen since last year's FA Cup final. Only Riccy and Alex came out with any credit at all, on our side. Even the rampant hostility between the fans seemed dulled. I'd really rather have stayed home with my kids than wasted those two hours of my life, except that there was quite a nice view of the sunset from where I sit.

The sad thing was seeing all the balls lumped up to Anelka. Pizzarro did a better job holding onto the long balls in his 10 mins than poor Anelka did for the whole rest of the game -- he wants it in his feet of course but we couldn't string three passes together.

With a performance like that, you have to see it as a point won. And be grateful that we can rotate the squad around a bit.

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