Tuesday, 03 June 08, 10:19 PM · Comments (253)
In a parallel universe not far from here, the nation will tune into ‘The Apprentice’ tomorrow night and see Roman Abramovich setting the five remaining future C-listers the task of appointing a new manager for Chelsea FC.
“I said to this Grant bloke, good Jewish boy you may be but it don’t cut the kosher chicken with me, sunshine — I’ve seen no results from you and no indication that you’re going to deliver, so… you’re fired.”
Cue much footage of teams Alpha and Renaissance in gleaming people carriers, asking whether Ron Atkinson is working at the moment as Nick and Margaret (or Bruce and Peter) pull their best thin-lipped assassin faces.
Thankfully, the real world isn’t quite like that. Whilst there are reservations about the recruitment process and those making the decisions (more of which later), given our recent history, Chelsea FC isn’t about to become some sort of “Manager Idol” fly-on-the-wall show just yet.
A handful of people within the club know who the targets are, and if a couple of weeks waiting means the difference between making a knee-jerk appointment and sifting through a pile of CV’s to make a considered decision for the long-term benefit of the club, then so be it.
For those who want it, there is plenty of speculation in the media as to who will take up the reins / poisoned chalice (delete as appropriate) down at Stamford Bridge. The usual names will be thrown about, some interesting, some not so and some whose agent is looking for better terms on their client’s current deal.
We’ve seen enough close season lunacy and unseemly public haggling in the Abramovich era to last us a lifetime (the Essien transfer, anyone?), so the fact that we aren’t being treated to hourly updates with pictures of Peter Kenyon outside the gates of various different clubs trying to entice their current manager away is surely a good thing?
All that said, a stable managerial environment has hardly been a natural state for Chelsea in the past and the situation is not showing any signs of improvement; Roman is fast becoming Ken Bates without the slightly barking charm or the acerbic programme notes.
Why is this? The previous incumbents all had their flaws which the owner tired of. Grant did an excellent job of looking after the ship but was never the right man for the role in the long term; Mourinho delivered almost everything but fell out with the wrong man and Ranieri, well, he was just Ranieri.
(And whilst we’re fretting about our future, it should be noted that come next season when Juventus play Inter Milan, two former Chelsea managers will be on opposite sides of the dugout. Not something we’d have expected in the days of Bobby Campbell and Ian Porterfield.)
The missing piece of the ever-complex Chelsea jigsaw appears to be the cup we came within a coat of paint and a patch of wet grass of winning in Moscow. The Champions League trophy, and more specifically the cachet and riches that accompany it, are fast becoming Roman’s all-consuming obsession in life.
Whilst he probably isn’t locked away in the attic of one of his vast mansions, fashioning replicas of the big-eared urn out of toothpaste, mud and chopsticks like Richard Dreyfuss’s character in “Close Encounters…” or annoying the executive floor of Stamford Bridge by repeatedly playing the competition’s theme tune on his Stylophone, it is fair to say that he is unlikely to rest until his hands are firmly wrapped round club football’s biggest prize.
The concern is that the pursuit of football’s Holy Grail is starting to affect the judgement of those making the decisions. Track record seems to carry more weight than potential if the current list of managerial targets, containing some confirmed names and a few fairly obvious 2+2=5 speculative conclusions, is to be believed.
Former Champions League winner seems to be one of the key criteria. Enter Carlo Ancelotti and Frank Rijkaard.
The Dutchman is unemployed after a fairly turbulent and trophy-free season at the Nou Camp. His demeanour in the final months was that of a man who needed several weeks in a darkened room rather than the Stamford Bridge hotseat, but his ‘brand’ of football would certainly be an attraction.
Ancelotti’s recent confirmation that he has no interest in the job is unsurprising, despite Roman’s best efforts; he has shown little interest in leaving Italy during his career and AC Milan’s previous dismissal of Chelsea’s approach suggests that they are in no mood to do business.
The other attraction both candidates have in common is their connection to players like Ronaldinho, Messi and Kaka.
It would be harsh to suggest that the appointment of either would be the equivalent of inviting the slightly overweight lady to your party on the premise that she brings her more attractive and glamorous friend along, but it isn’t entirely impossible that the thought hasn’t entered the collective headspace of our oligarch and his retinue.
Cases can be made for and against the other candidates that we currently believe are in the frame; Scolari, Mancini and to an extent, Eriksson are proven winners at the highest level whilst Mark Hughes is well respected for his work at Blackburn, but looks certain to make the short move to Eastlands.
But if the owner can be persuaded to think a little longer term, there are interesting candidates who could be worth talking to — my personal favourite would be Thomas Schaaf.
Having spent his entire career at Werder Bremen, it would be difficult to persuade him to make the trip over the North Sea, but he is relatively young, experienced (and proven) in Germany where he has won a league and cup double and taken a previously relegation threatened club into the Champions League every season since 2004. He is almost slavishly devoted to attacking football; flying full backs, plenty of goals and with his number 10, Diego, he has shown that he knows how to use the kind of creative player required at the Bridge if we are to play the fantasy football Abramovich craves.
Schaaf may be happy to stay in Bremen, but if he has ambitions to further his career, a move to the Premier League might be just what he (and we) are looking for. If we are already trying to prise nigh-on impossible targets like Ancelotti away, then why not take a chance on someone like Schaaf?
A final thought on the subject: whilst Roman scours Europe waving obscene salaries and transfer budgets at any managerial candidate who might possibly deliver him his night of European glory, it is almost certain that the “money can’t buy class” jibes will resurface.
In these PR obsessed times at a club that has cringed at the behaviour of a former manager, eventually replacing him with an anodyne, uncontroversial yes-man, who will tell the owner that a demonstration of whispering wealth and thoughtful planning might be preferable to his money talking at an increasingly irritating volume?
Simply by the reasoning that no one seems to be about to step into the breach would suggest to me that it is going to be dear old Gus Hiddink or 'Big Phil'. Neither of whom I fancy to be honest. They are both tied up at the moment and obviously there is no way they are going to allow themselves to be distracted whilst they are involved in the Euros.
What I cannot understand is why would Hughes go to City?? It is NOT a step up nor a step down. More a sideways movement. For someone that wants to go to a bigger job, it seems a strange move. He only has to see what happened to SGE to see he could be out of a job this time next year.
"And whilst we’re fretting about our future, it should be noted that come next season when Juventus play Inter Milan, two former Chelsea managers will be on opposite sides of the dugout"
Interesting point JD..... Unfortunately I would take either of them back (and no, I don't mean Campbell or Porterfield!), ahead of everyone currently on our list except Hughes, who for some mind-boggling reason appears smitten with the Thai 'human rights activist'.
Also read somewhere yesterday (sorry, can't remember where) that Laudrup has agreed to take over at Panathanaikos, so that is another we can cross off our list.
Personally, I think the deal has already been done with either Scolari or Hiddink. There can be no other reason for holding back the announcment than waiting for the Euros to end.
If they really still haven't made a decision, God help us!
We can't know what the board is thinking at the moment. Each morning's headlines brings a new favourite for the job, whilst 'Sky Sports News Sources' seems to base their BREAKING NEWS on names picked blindly out of a hat containing 10 or so managers.
However it is strange that Sparky has come all the way down to London to speak to a Man City representative despite him living in the NW. Surly it's more convenient to take a short drive to Eastlands rather than a couple of hours down the motorway to London? Or is he hoping to 'accidentally' bump into Kenyon tomorrow as he happens to find himself walking around the Bridge megastore? But the debate of PTR vs Young and talented, experienced vs inexperienced rumbles on. The board seem split according to Sky Sports News between Ancelotti and Hughes (but who can believe them) but personally i'm unsure who'll get through our interview process with Sir Alan's, i mean Roman's, trusted lieutenants:
Will it be the young, surprisingly talented in recent weeks, style conscious Alex(Michael Laudrup)?
Will Sir Alan plump for the younger, slightly rough round the edges Lee (Mark Hughes)?
Or could it be the agressive, short-tempered yet ultimately disappointing when faced with the toughtest challeneges Helene (Mancini)?
Don't rule out the loud, brash yet strangely successful favourite of Sir Alan, Claire (Scolari).
Or will it be the dark horse, quirky, left-field one with a unique appearance Lucinda (Luciano Spalletti)?
Two must be picked, and i believe the final choice will be between Alex and Claire, which equates to the young up and coming Laudrup who seems to have gone off the radar in recent weeks (20/1 shot) vs the wise old head of Scolari who despite winning the world cup has many drawbacks in my opinion (can't speak English, NEVER experienced running a club side in Europe...). In the end i think we'll pass on Lee/Mark Hughes (too big a risk, not polished/stylish enough for the board and our brand which i hope has a better reputation than Amstrad). I think that every member, advisor, hanger-on, friend, assistant, scout, servant of Roman will have a different choice but i agree with JD. I think that for someone to have made £11Billion, you can't be an idiot, and i believe that Roman would have learnt from his past mistakes of short term fixes (Avram) and over the hill stupid signings (Sheva, Pizarro...). That's why i feel it will be someone unexpected. Laudrup would be my bet, but a Spalletti, Schaff could also make it. My choice would still be the Laudrup/Zola combo i've been longing for since Avram's departure.
I have many regrets this season (Jose leaving, the sale of Robben, the buying of frees instead of quality youngters...) but my biggest regret is the board's incompetence in September. When we had the chance to bring in a new manager we had two of the three best young coaches in the world available: Klinsmann and Van Basten, the third being Laudrup. All of these three young coaches are talented, have style, earn immediate respect after their playing days and believe in new coaching methods (just look at Klinsmann's staff which include psychologists, nutritionists...). But we hired a short term caretaker manager knowing that we'd need a long term solution this summer. Only now, both Klinsmann and Van Basten have decided against waiting around for us and opted to revolutionise Bayern and Ajax. In my opinion if we don't get Laudrup, we'll be settling for second best, whoever we get, and the board only have themselves to blame for the lukewarm reaction they'll receive to whoever is appointed out of Scolari, Rijkaard, Mancini, Ancelotti...
Whether it's arrogance from the board expecting managers to sit around waiting for the call from Kenyon or just incompetence, we seem to be the most indecisive club in the League at making a decision. They should, in my opinion, just bite the bullet and take a risk on Laudrup. He is a long term solution and would fit perfectly to the brand. And as assistant Zola really should be given a chance. Just look at how Van Basten has made Bergkamp part of his assitants at Ajax due to his status and the knowledge of attacking football he'll bring to them. That's why for me it has to be Laudrup and Zola.
KTBFFH
@ Lee
You seem very certain about this.. care to name your source...
Don't be surprised if Sparky turns his attention to Chelsea IF PK knocks on his door. If I was Sparky the choice would be easy... manager at Man City appears to have even more fragility to it that Chelsea and working with RA who at least knows something about the game will be a better bet. The question is will PK be knocking on his door for a chat or have they another plan and will spring a surprise...
KTBFFH
This however pleases me:
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We MUST get him. If we miss out on his signature then it's either because of the snail's pace our board seem to work at when buying players or due to the uncertainty surrounding our future management or even worse that Roman has shut his chequebook like last year.
Anyway now it's off to continue my last minute A-level revision. 5 exams down, 6 to go!
I am very much in favour of a younger manager like Laudrap or Hughes. I can't believe for one minute the likes of Scolari would ever choose to manage a club side at his age given his history of managing in the international arena. The pressures involved with managing a club over a 60 game plus season are entirely different and made worse at Chelsea by the lofty expectations of our owner.
Mancini remains a contender although I have my doubts over an Italian managing in the EPL. Ranieri did a reasonable job but there have been few others except maybe our own Vialli's albeit short reign. Again I cannot see the italian style of football suiting Chelsea or meeting RA's wish for sexy football.
If you follow that rationale the best choice for the club both now and into the future is a Laudrap type manager with Zola as his assistant. Sparky would also be a great choice being English etc etc but maybe what counts against him is the image of the tough no compromise style of football he engineered at Blackburn. This obviously suits the 2nd tier teams but can he step-up to a first tier team and change his game plan ? I am not so sure whether RA will risk that.
So who else maybe in the frame that fits the bill of up and coming and known for attacking style of play...ummm Martin O'Neil springs to mind as well as Schaaf from Werder. O'Neill I believe would also be able handle the pressure of big club expectations following his stint at Celtic, he likes his teams to attack with speed and most importantly commands respect in the dressing room. The question is how much would Villa want in compensation and would O'Neill like the setup at Chelsea ?
Thoughts...
Chelsea job criteria= very demanding ,high pressure(people hate chelsea because of money spend why dont people hate real they spend just as much),must be able to lure stars ,must have reputiation for attacking football ,must be able to control stars and must good team spirit.
Only few candidates meet this criteria...
people who dont include the like MH,zola,landraup,werder coaches.
Chelsea have not got balanced team because we lack 2 flair staring line up players. Coach must address flair issue....ac milan dont play attacking football so their coach dont meet it.
Only few options Scolari(he is struggling with balance of creative in portugal team) ,mancini(struggles to keep respect of star players ;proven by bust ups at inter latter stage of his career and the favorite the dutchmen Frank Rijkaard enough said.
Fans love him ,won champions league,built a super star team with limited funds(Funds are not problem at chelsea recall signings such as unknown eto ),calm under pressure,Roman loves dutch football,could change face of chelsea with his attractive football andlegendary player gains players respect .
Frank Rijkaard he will change chelsea
Futhermore im sure fans and RA would like too see our youth system produce something that actually plays in our 1st team and not the coca cola championship.
Look at history of chelsea with youths coming thru ranks.....................................................................................................last notable chelsea player to hit 1st team was Terry.rest have all been championship quality ......what does that say about chelsea youth policy>>>its shit,peter kenyon must stop denying it .Chelsea missed out alot of wonderkids because A) we are not an attractive club for youngsters to join and B) chelsea coaches do not have history of blooding youngsters...>>this is proven by walcott reject us to stay at southhampton.
Rijkaard again has track record of blooding youngsters of supreme quality>>>lional messi,dos santos,xavi.....thats proven track record.
wonderkids do not want to waste their potential.there are no shortage of them wonderkids around ...the facts are we just cant attract them ..they aint interested.(di santi never even saw the bench of chelsea that shows alot)
Why do star youths join MANURE and Arsenal ....history of blooding youths....they dont have to look to far in history to find examples...>>>fabregas,ronaldo,nani,anderson,vidic(unknown),van persie and almost whole of arsenal is example
chelsea >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>terry ,1 player in about 10 years thru our youth system does not look attractive..
We have world class training facility,world class trainers but no track record
rijkaard can fix that.
@ BlueNews
But can FR coach in the EPL ? Of course we won't know unless he is given a go but my concern about FR is how he lost the dressing room at Barca and he has not shown a great propensity for being able to adapt his game plan to suit the opponent and the way the game is going. This will be vital in the EPL as well as the CL.
Being a great player is not always a recipe for being a great manager and not always a guarantee to gain dressing room respect. I suspect there is a 'bitchy' side to his personality which would have contributed to what happened this year at Barca which could be a real problem once the heat hits in the EPL.
KTBFFH
Sun is claiming that Sparky has now signed a 3 year deal with Man Cithai...
The field is now really beginning to narrow and I am not liking the options. Can we not just give Clarkey the job, and put us all out of our misery.
@ Greenlight
Couldn't agree more with Zola to fill his number 2 slot. However while he fits the "young and up and coming" bill, knows the EPL has the respect of the players and would have learned a lot from TSO... I just cant quite see RA and PK seeing Clarkie as the next manager.
But like you I can't stand the waiting any longer !
Ancelotti doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me. While he's had success in Europe, his domestic record (when you consider Milan's tradition in Italy) is far from enviable. In 7 seasons at Milan, he's captured the league only once and finished runner up only once. Are we blowing off the league in order to win in Europe? Why don't we just hire Rafa Benitez?
Totally agree with you. Getting someone like the WerderBremen man will bring attacking football as well as shut the mouths of those who think we are out to 'buy' the best manager on sale, by CV alone.
Some questions that I've been pondering.
1.Rijkaard couldn't deal with the ego's of the stars in Barca last season and he failed. Will he be able to successfully manage the stars in Chelsea?
2.Why would Mark Hughes got to ManCity when Chelsea is in the queue?
3.If Roman is waiting for Euro to get over so that people like Hiddink and Scolari are free, will this 'wait' seriously damage our summer transfers?
4.Who will Mourinho take to Inter? Not Essien I hope.
@ Stowe
The very thought of hiring tubby sends a shiver down my spine... although I know your not being serious !
Ancelotti won't be coming judging by the latest reports so no worry there and I agree he has hardly set the world on fire with his attacking intentions.
What concerns me is the time they are taking to decide. If Frank R was a serious contender then there is not reason to wait for him so maybe he is already ruled out. Same would apply to Mancini now he has been sacked. Looks like Sparky is off to Citeh if the reports can be believed.
This all points towards someone who is still in contract either as a manager in the Euros or another club manager.
As a Chelsea fan for almost a decade, i must admit that im very disappointed that the board have failed to look further ahead and appoint Sparky. What are they thinking?
I don't think that we're after Mark Hughes,if we were why would we take the risk of Man City signing him before we even talk to him.
It looks like we're going to shoot ourselves in the foot yet again.
We will either wait for Scolari or Hiddink to get knocked out of Euro 2008,
or we will hire another team's cast off.
It seems like a long term appointment isn't our top priority and we just want to win the Champions League as soon as possible,hence all mutterings about Ancelloti.
Why can't Roman and the board realise that all this confusion is not only unsettling the fans,it's also having the same affect on the players.
Have they not noticed that Jose is back in the water and has started to circle our players.He can smell blood and is ready to pick off the weak and confused.
Every day this soap opera drags on has a detrimental effect on everyone,execept the board,that is.Every day that we lose gives Manure,Liversum and the rest to start the season in better shape and with a stronger squad than us.
Please end all our suffering soon.
Since the disaster of the Average Grant's experiment, would Roman & Co have the appetite for another experiment this time around? I doubt it. That's why an extensive CV and track record seem to be more important now for the selection of Chelsea manager. And their caution view on Mark Hughes is understandable. I think they are looking for a pair of very safe hands that can win a minimum of one Cup per season as Jose did. So who's 'The One'? We mortals have to wait and be surprised! It's getting like appointing a new Pope! :-)
Listen, I like Sparky, but he has "Big Sam" written all over him for me. It isn't that I think he's a bad manager, far from it. I just don't see the leopard changing his spots. With managers what you see is what you get.
To that end I worry about Rijkaard. We don't have the personnel for his brand of 4-3-3. We aren't getting Messi. He hasn't shown that he can change gears, and Barca shipped a ton of goals this season. If you stop goals by keeping possession, and you can't hang on to the ball...
I don't like Scolari- too old, no euro club experience. Managerial consistency in order to have a good youth rank is key. Getting someone old won't help us there, we want someone for the long haul.
So who? Like I said, the leopard doesn't change his spots. Mourinho won with Porto. Sir Alex won with Aberdeen. Find a manager who can win with the players he's got- not a manager who needs "one more player" every year to do it. So Laudrup seems good, but I like the idea of Schaaf too.
I have a feeling, though, that we are going to see a manager for 2 or 3 years here, a Scolari or Hiddink type, before the possibility of a "Wenger" for Chelsea. I just don't think the man exists (well, except for Marty O'Neill!)
LOL! Loving the analogy. I love The Apprentice. The "good Jewish boy" parallel works perfectly!
Don't want Rijkaard, Scolari OR that ex-Inter bloke. I don't know who I want really.
Problem is, we don't have deep-rooted football connections among our advisers and Roman only has money. And he doesn't have much sense to go with it, to be honest. At best he is well meaning but naive. At worst, he thinks cash will buy him everything he wants. It won't. Football coaches love a challenge and Chelsea is a challenge, but we have poisoned it with the way we handle our managers. The top coaches earn big enough rewards elsewhere to satisfy them. They know that doubling their salaries to come here brings shit they don't need. The worst of it is the sectional interests within the structure and the owner's direct interference, that, whether true or not, is perceived to be so. As for his advisers? Kenyon and Buck? Business people who work in football, not football people involved in the business. It makes a difference. And as for Roman's contacts in the game? That top agent fellah who brought Grant to him. Can't remember his name. Told him Grant would sort the club out. Told him to edge out Jose and install Grant. Urged him to award the big contract when Grant seemed to be doing OK. And Roma listened to him and coughed up. And saw it was a mistake. And now what? What happens when they meet on the big yacht? Roman says: "Who will win me Champions League with prettiest foodball?" and Kenyon and Buck get their contact books out and they're empty. I think it is a mistake to believe we are keeping quiet because we have some huge secret deal going on. I believe it is just like those guys at Northern Rock, and like those guys in Government. No one actually knows anything. We blunder through and put a spin on it. We will probably end up with Arnesen taking over at this rate.
Actually I think Kenyon has a lot of the contacts. He was one of the main inventors of the modern football circus; he was certainly the first executive in this country to take his club "global", and to shift from the model of working with benevolent jack-the-lad tycoons (Walker, Shepherd, Bates) to an idea of clubs as international business enterprises. But never mind that, he's still a Manc git.
Brilliant article JD, dead right I'll bet. The spanner in the works is more than likely RA himself, who probably doesn't know who Sparky is (you can just imagine him thinking "Blackburn???"). If he's taking the "track record" approach to the CL, then he must be ignoring the evidence of his own eyes: he was there in Moscow when a club managed by a nobody nearly, nearly won the thing. As I've said boringly often before, it's insane to use one's record in the CL as a yardstick, given the degree of luck involved. By that standard Wenger doesn't cut it as a top manager (whereas by every other criterion he's exactly what RA wants).
Turn off Sky Sports News, don't read the papers, and the whole process will seem a lot less terrifying and miserable, I promise.
Yeah, good piece JD. Surely we should be pleased the club hasn't gone for any of the cumbersome, baggage-carrying, kneejerk appointments like Rijkaard, Ancelloti or, shudder, Sven? And Hughes - everybody non-Chelsea I speak to can't believe we're interested in a manager who, for all his potential and supposed Chelsea-supporting, has such a staggeringly mediocre record. I'm all for hiring on the basis of potential rather than history, but you surely need a bit more in your locker to manage a club like Chelsea than finishing mid-table with Blackburn Rovers?
Which is why the sudden appearance of a name like Spalletti appeals to me. Exactly the sort of guy we should be going for. Leftfield, hungry, decent record, attractive football - give him money and time (or at least give him money) and let him rip.
The media on this has been brilliant. First it was: Chelsea agree deal with Ancelloti!
Then, after both Chelsea and Ancelloti say there was no contact between them it's
'Ancelloti snubs Chelsea!'
They're just running around barking at anything that moves. Tits.
here quite a few people have noted the "luck" factor in CL, but only few commentators made one step further and linked this with another noted (and mentined by few israely journos): the Avraam Grant "luck factor". indeed he is known in Israely football world as a coach to whom fortune smiles more ofthen than anyone else. and chelsea record with AG proves (imho) that not once or twice we were lucky in situations where earlier the fate cruelly laughed at us.
with football world being full of superstitions, one will be foolish to dismiss easily any factor (although, this one is admittedly, not a very reliable one), but the proven track record _in this case_ should be of some importance at least.
any ideas on who of the chelsea hotseat candidates have the "magik" ?
although if they get this one right, i'll be made up! without ronny, they'll win fuck all next season and they know it.
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>>>at Blue PeterThe Great
if u judge him as shit manager for losing dressing room after 2 successful seasons and the recovery of barca who was playing uefa cup football with limited fees (pre ronaldinho ,eto error) then you have to put mourinho in that same category .....(rosenberg ,aston villa were is the passion lads). yes FR is a legendary player but he has also proven that he is great manager.Barcalona have not won as many titles as real but they have had greats in their side over the years(Rijkaard,Cruyff,van basten,romario,rivaldo,ronaldo, de boer,figo and many more)
Futhermore
There is one common problems with all these upcoming managers which have been mentioned .THEY DONT HAVE TRACK RECORD IN CHAMPIONS LEAGUE!!!a football dynasty is not built in 1year let alone 10..these things take decades....milan ,real ,manure and barca already have that.roman needs to change his view on football before chelsea can go further..the only we will get champions league instantly is if we buy it properly lol 400 million pound investment real nice....(then we can sign ronaldo,messi ,huntlaar)
as for Spalletti ....got canned by united ohh so ugly affair and roma players have been known to be really loyal to their team..de rossi ,totti aint going no where so who is he going to bring.
Sparky please............. he knows he aint cut out for this position....
Roman needs to invest wisely...whole new scouting network..manager who actually is capable of attracting hungry youths...
Zola is chelsea legend ,backheels , biycle kicks but his only coached at under 21 level...clarke is good coach believe he merits his place.
why we looking abroad when talented coach within our system.....enter B ROGERS....EXCELLENT JOB HE HAS DONE WIT OUR YOUNGSTERS...GIVE HIM A GO.
Would be happy to see Spaletti here - Roma are seriously skint and a nice little sweetener from Roman would surely seal it if he wants to come here.
Isn't it time the Graham Chapman character from early Monty Pythons marched on and bellowed "STOP! It's all getting too silly now"?
On the latest suspects does anyone know if Spaletti speaks reasonable English?
29. Jonathan Dyer · 10:28 AM · 4th June
Would be happy to see Spaletti here
oh yeah and cue plenty of "Roman signs the Roman"/"A Roman for Roman" headlines :)
Well, although he's actually a Tuscan....
oh and top piece up there.
".....Chelsea managers will be on opposite sides of the dugout. Not something we’d have expected in the days of Bobby Campbell and Ian Porterfield"
that's only because you're a hopeless pessimist :)
and how about Danny Blanchflower and Geoff Hurst?
Spaletti will get the job. Kenyon i was told wanted Hughes - ex player, british, on the up. but roman is prepared to see what he does at man city over the next 3/4 years.
Spaletti, despite a 7-1 thrashing has turned roma into an attractive team (football wise not looks!), challengers in serie a and a champs league team.
I think he would be the best bet plus he could work with zola.
bald italians seem to do well at chelsea.
If Hughes gets 3-4 years at City I'd be amazed. Be interesting to see how he does in the transfer market with a bit more cash; he's picked up some good players on the cheap at Blackburn - more money could be curse or blessing.
Hopeless pessimist? Moi? :-)
Also, have to echo Habs complaint about our recruitment policy. What irks me is that these good young players are NOT plucked from nowhere. Everybody knew about Ledley, Bale, Modric, Walcott, Rooney, Torres - just as everybody knows about Nasri, Benzema, Richards. I don't expect us to find the new Fabregas, but I do want to see us making these sort of progressive, bold signings if we're going to move forward.
WELL OUR BOARD IS EITHER INCREDIBLY SMOOTH OR PLAIN OLD STUPID.
Some of these decisions made retrospectively just look funny at the best.
i totally agree JD - if he lasts 3 years then he will have clearly stepped up and fulfilled his potential - if he gets axed then lets be glad we didnt take the risk!
Talking to a City mate, says this is a very good sign that City aren't totally crazy under Sinatra. They've also got some interesting signings lined up.
Having made a good start, Sven apparently started touting himself around in December - no wonder the chairman got miffed.
So maybe Hughes will get a run at it. But like our managerial decisions, in total they look like the work of a power crazed moron, but they can be explained when looked at in insolation.
33. BlueMunkeyfeet · 11:38 AM · 4th June
bald italians seem to do well at chelsea.
whoa! that puts me bang in the frame for the hot seat. no contact so far, though
Think we have suffered slightly in recent years from having such a large (and talented) squad, a hangover from the "2 world class players for each position" days; makes it less likely that younger players will come to us. The insistence that we won't be held to ransom on the price has probably also played a fairly significant part.
Scolari is perhaps the least appealing of all the more unappealing options.
Spalletti's preferred and tested formation is
4 Panucci Mexes Juan Tonetto (subs Cassetti Cicinho)
2 De Rossi Pizarro (Subs Aquilani Cicinho Brighi)
3 Mancini Perrotta Taddei (subs Giuly Aquilani Vucinic Antunes)
1 Totti (sub Vucinic)
now paint it blue
4 Bosingwa JT RC AC [Paulo, JB, Alex, TBH!!, WB - wishes: Cork, Mancienne + RC staying]
2 Bison Mikel [Maka Siddy - wishes: De Rossi + Essien staying]
3 Joey Ballack Lamps [Malouda SWP Kalou - wishes: Kakuta + Lamps staying for life]
1 Anelka [DD? Shever? wishes: Balotelli, Di Santo + Borini coz he's a fellow bolognese]
and now challenge the bald italian!
The telegraph profiles spalletti. they didn't with Ancelotti, Hughes, Mancini. Do they know something?
LINK
Very good piece JD. The Kosher Chicken! Who having witnessed that particular episode can ever forget it.
Still pushing Inspector Frost I see. Perhaps TG can advise whether he suits the Brand? From the photo in Wikipedia I'm not sure he's sufficiently good looking enough. Even if the beady eye from SB had fallen on him he seems to be a one club man but you're on the right track I believe with this sort of candidate.
With all these mentions of the "left field" perhaps someone with a sufficiently agrarian background and a decent pair of wellies could be posted out there to keep an eye on things. I'd volunteer but being a city dweller and only occasional listener to the Archers I don't feel I'm qualified.
Am I right in thinking that when Hughes was with us his family stayed up north? This might be one of the reasons he is looking to stay up there rather than come sarf.
And finally where does all this information on the board being split over the managerial appointment come from? I confess to not bothering to follow the managerial hokey cokey anymore, but several of the SSN reports mentioned on here refer to this. If its just the usual SSN speculation well fine. If not who at Chelsea is briefing them and why? I think we should be told....
And finally finally. Come on JD, Ken Bates and charm? They never shared the same elevator..
Blue Bayou - I think you've stumbled on something - wellie wearing? Let's call Egil Olsen! He's apparently managing Iraq at the moment - probably a bit quieter than Stamford Bridge, but he might fancy the challenge. Not sure him and Roman would agree on economics though...
Always quite liked Uncle Ken; a heartless bastard, but he was our hearless bastard!
7. Blue Bayou · 1:00 PM · 4th June
I confess to not bothering to follow the managerial hokey cokey
after years spent trying to ram down our throats that "managerial" equals "good", i'm not convinced hokey cokey is that "managerial" at all.
Good on ManCity that rejected AG and take on Mark Hughes who wears nice suit all the time. The Asian owner would certainly dislike the black shirt that AG loves to wear - very bad Feng Shui for him!
Chelsea have learnt their lesson; maybe they're going to appoint a nicely dressed Italian this time! :-)
being a brilliant player does not really translate to being a good manager. what chelsea need is a displinarian and a set of players with commitment to the club..
some of the players at chelsea are really of questionable loyalty..lets just see who the judases are .success can at times be a true reflection of the players loyalty
"...success can at times be a true reflection of the players loyalty..."
this must've had CR7's ears rumbling LOUD
Roman deserves all the credit for saving the club but he also deserves all the blame for turning us into a worldwide laughing stock.
He has built up his fortune by being very good at things he knows about but also the reverse applies when he tries to run a football club..
Why would any manager or player want to sign for us when such chaos goes on behind the scenes.Have we become so arrogant that we have only one plan in place and when that fails become totally clueless as what to do next.Does Roman think that throwing money at things will guarantee him getting his own way.
Why is it that A.C.Milan are "in talks"with Drogba and in the same breath tell us that Kaka is not for sale.Why can't we tell clubs that Lampard,Carvalho,Essien and Drogba are not for sale and actually mean it.
This managerial total farce has made everyone at the club look like total incompetent fools.It seems like Kenyon,Buck,Greenberg etc,are just overpaid lap dogs and are just there to fan Roman and feed him the occasional grape.
Is it impossible for the club to act professionally and not allow themslelves to become headline news for all the wrong reasons again.
Can anyone imagine this happenning at Manure when McFergie packs his bags?
Someone at the Bridge has got to be made accountable for this sorry mess.
Lynn - appreciate it is frustrating but an awful lot of what is appearing in the media is simply speculation and nothing more; I'm no fan of Greenberg but he can't control the tabloids making wildly inaccurate guesses about who we may or may not be talking to. Is Drogba talking to Milan? Who says? His agent may well be busy making calls but so is Ronaldo's by all accounts - 'tis the way of football these days and the vast majority of it is nothing more than back page filler puffed up beyond recognition.
I think most people would have preferred a plan to be in place post Grant (there may well have been a short list of some sort, but it would hardly have been prudent to broadcast it). I don't doubt there is no shortage of candidates, but the list of those who are actually suitable is far shorter. If we're still managerless in August then I'd be concerned, but the season has only been over for a couple of weeks, so there is plenty of time to find the right man; I'd be more worried if we were throwing last ditch offers at Mark Hughes just because someone else wanted him.
I dont know enough about Spalletti to say if I want him or not, but if it means we dont get Scolari, sign him now.
I want Ancelotti or Scolari about as much as a tropical disease.
IMO, we need to get the new guy in NOW. Not wait 3 weeks for the Euro's to finish, another week of contract negotiations and then, oh, all the good transfer targets have been signed by other clubs.
I agree Fifty - if he is the right man why wait, just do it!
In recruitment people want to feel wanted - if we wait and then make an offer to someone not involved in the Euro's it is a bit of a "well we wanted scolari but hey he cant come so we now want you" - will that person then accept knowing chelsea is fast becoming a sacking club and you werent even the first choice! I wouldnt.
Be dicisive - for me mancini or spaletti with Spal being my preference and then get a zola / steve clarke backroom.
Would we get Totti and De Rossi if Spaletti came? :)
@ Fifty - I'd be happy to wait till after Euro 2008 if there was a manager involved there clearly superior to the other possibilities who made it worth overlooking those currently available. Hiddink says repeatedly he's staying with Russia and no one seems to suggest Bilic is a likely candidate. I asked on previous blogs what Scolari offered that might make this true - and the only reply I saw was that he might help us attract some of the better Portugese players. Sound a bit feeble to me - won't Jose be just as likely to take those to Inter anyway?
@ BLUEBOYDAVE
He might have an influence with some Brazilian playres as well.
Altough he certainly is not my pick!
So other than Scolari and Hiddink (neither of which would be my choices) I wonder if there are other national managers we're considering.
Donadoni ??
Bilic ??
Kobe Kuhne ??
Oh, and if the rumours about David Villa being for sale are true, it would make my week. Until we hear he's signing for someone thats not Chelsea.
one thing the board have got right is the removal of our name in the press around players.
Villa is heavily linked like dos santos with spurs and ars - the fact we are now doing business behind the scenes is great and should hopefully remove those over priced fees we were doing as well as making us not seem like the local bike - rumoured to be in bed with everyone!
I just hope essien and lamps dont leave. We need to learn the real madrid way of brilliantly unsettling players - they did it with becks and now with ronaldo. Cant we employ whoever is the mastermind and get them to unsettle kaka, totti, de rossi and messi. :)
Thomas Schaaf would be an excellent choice. But here are the other candidates that I feel Chelsea should consider:
1. Steve Clarke
2. Frank Rijkaard
3. Fabio Capello (YES!)
4. Raymond Domenech
Mancini and Hughes, I am a little bit skeptical!
@Lynn 54
He has built up his fortune by being very good at things he knows about but also the reverse applies when he tries to run a football club..
Then again because of Roman we have won 6 trophies in 4 years, back to back titles plus an appearance in the Champions League Final.
As a supporter since 1963 I feel our performance has improved during the Roman era so maybe my years of drought make me a little more resilient to the current failure of runners up in 3 competitions and a fortnight window of being managerless.
We all need to calm down.
JD #48
Lordy that stopped me in my tracks. I really had to think. Where in God's name did you pull that one from?
I am deeply deeply disappointed that Spaletti is only now coming to the fore. When I did my little detectives profile it was crying out for a Kojak. Oh why can't my life be perfect?
Just a little point....what if Russia and Portugal fail to get beyond the group stages, marginally or disastrously? What if neither wins the competition? Would we then be in danger of recruiting a failure whose PTR mojo let them down?
Blue Bayou - I just remember seeing Olsen on (something like) Football Focus when he went to Wimbledon X years ago; he was wearing wellies on the training ground which was apparently his favoured footwear.
But there are of course days when I wish my mind was filled with more useful information than nuggets like that!
@Tony:
Good point. The situation has advantages also. They'll be sacked and be jobless.
@TONY GLOVER
That is the sucker punch i am worried about. We dwell and delay on Sparky and this is what we get if everything backfires in the end! Dider Deschamp for Chelsea. Give him a chance to rebuild this team.
I think the real problem is, what were Roman's intentions? Who were in that shortlist? If he is reluctant or 50:50 with Sparky as his final decision yesterday, then im fine with it. He has the last say. But no one knows anything. And i cant help but feel frustrated.
And the most irking factor: the number of voices in the boardroom. Kenyon wants Hughes and Arnesan wants Rikjaard. Roman himself prefers Ancelotti. Thats something to ponder about because i think even those clowns are just as confused as us. But looks like Arnesan is having his way for the moment. I hope we can lend a new and younger manager with potential like Deschamp or Laudrup.
Honestly i think we will change manager in a few years time. So maybe its no big deal who we appoint now to begin with. Which brings me to the last and final most irking point: When will we finally have stability? So is Roman our stability or the manager? Or both of them combined together? Obviously we need it on both sides and parties but its still a distant hope until the Tsar changes his mindset. I fear for our future as i dont see any forward thinking strategies for our coaching management.
No point crying over spilt milk here. So who do you guys reckon is the appointment for the present but also for the future. Or we are just going to become the Real Madrid of England sacking and hire managers at will. This kind of rubbish mindset has to stop.
WHAT IS GOING THROUGH YOUR BLOODY MIND ROMAN?! GIVE US A HINT!
@JANG
It seems like we're in the minority about being pissed off,it's all very well having a wall of silence and secrecy,if they are actually pulling off a deal or two.But it feels like they are picking names out of a hat and see what happens next,looks like Italian food is the current favourite take-away while they are locked away in Roman's panic room.
I think the board and Roman are treating the fans with a lack of respect.
It seems that they are not concerned in the slightest that us,the fans,are not happy at the way things are being done.
If we're not careful,the longer we wait,the less time we will have to sign new players and to convince our players not to go and join Jose.Can you see Kenyon and Buck persuading them to stay when we have no idea who the next manager will be.
@LYNN
Okay maybe we are being abit too impatient here. But i fully expect us to appoint a new manager a week after Euro 08. Thats the latest it can be delayed to.
How About Marcel Dersailly? Sure he has the quality to become a chelsea manager..
No Carlo Anceloti pleasee!!
Antoher candidates
1. Zola
2. Brian Laudrup
3. King Otto
4. ME!!!
They're extremely happy with how thier search for a new manager is progressing...
What are the chances they've already sorted out a deal for Guus Hiddink, and it's all being kept quite from the Russians?
Roman has hardly said a word in the 5 years he's been here, so to expect him to start filling us in on the thought process of appointing a new manager now is probably a little unrealistic. They're looking for the right man now - seriously, what else is there to be said?
Chelsea didn't delay on Sparky and Sparky didn't choose Man City over Chelsea either..i saw on SSN (think it was Sunday or Monday) that Roman "wasn't convinced that Hughes was the right man for the job", i have to say, i'm a bit relieved at that, as i felt the same. As PETER said, i think Chelsea deserves to have a Manager with at least some silverware in his cabinet! I TRULY believe he would've been a really bad choice.
Spaletti was favourite for the job this morning but he's dropped dowm the list. Apparently, Rijkaard is now in pole position again..I'd be happy with that appointment, i must admit..
We could get a lot worse guys..news is that Steve McClaren's on the lookout for a job!!
Lordy!!
P.S; also saw on SSN earlier..
Clarkey is heading to Everton to work under Moyes. That would be another kick in the teeth for all of us.
Good news however is that Essien has denied reports that Inter Milan have made an offer to buy him and has stated that he's "very happy at Chelsea"
Its draining out my lifeforce every single day to harp and harp on those clowns who treat Chelsea like a circus. I would live 5 years lesser. So please get a decent and good manager fast. I still harbour hopes of seeing us lift Elven Ears Cup during my entire lifespan. Maybe i should stop surfing soccer websites til Euro finishes... Off to bed.
We replaced Bentley with Truck which ensured stability a while and Truck took us to the mountains where we never reached. But boss knew that truck is older and unpredictable hence decided to sell it. Now boss wants Ferrari but no one is ready to sell. Barcelona have recently abandoned their Ferrari but its dented in the back. And its rumored that when it is overloaded with stars and expensive accessories, it doesn't start. Even after choke. Now boss is hoping that Russian owners will release their Rolls Royce so that he can attach lods of expensive accessories to it. But Rolls Royce doesn't want to run on England's roads and in its sultry weather. Manchester's owners just bought Rover's Land Rover but again boss wasn't interested in it. Coz he thought Land Rover (with all its best accessories) won't take its elite passengers to that elusive and magical lake in that special mountain. Boss can't re-bid for the Bentley since its current owner won't sell it. And boss is special person who never wants to use his thrown items. Now that leaves with only couple of options to boss. Portugese owner's BMW will definitely be up on sale by month end but that will be too late since there is paucity of stylish accessories in the market. Especially that hummer from Greater Manchester and Chevrolet from North London are looking for the same. Even boss has to sell some of the old accessories of Bentley to the new owner of Bentley since they only fit with Bentley. Now that leaves boss with too many problems. But boss has full faith in its chauffeur who looks like intelligent man. He had successfully driven Manchester's hummer but he is now getting in bad habit of changing cars. And convincing the boss too. There is bright ray of hope in German Opel Astra which that Herr from Bremen is holding. But Astra is used to German mechanics, conditions and garages. But it can surely take the boss (to that mountain) and its elite passengers with eye catching speed and style. Apparently there might be one more car which will be up for buying, its Yugo from Liverpool. It has two owners and they constantly keep on bickering and their drivers are retards. Passengers are delusional and asinine mad men who keep on pondering their community spirit. This Yugo has traveled to the same mountains and reached summits which our boss wants to travel. But it was all because of sheer luck wherein traffic police turned a blind eye whenever they crossed the speed limit. So Yugo is also the most unlikely option for boss. If nothing happens then boss can promote the Jaguar from garage. Atleast the Jaguar knows the road which leads to those mountains. Coz it always followed that classic Bentley on all of its adventures. And all the Bentley accessories fit with Jaguar too.
Thoughts Inspired by Mark #64 (and TG's History Channel)
The Thin (but not in a sizeist way) Blue Line
(General Sounds of Battle off screen)
The early optimism of the campaign has drained away. The advance has shuddered to a halt. We’re under fire from all quarters and suddenly the mood has changed and turned grim.
In the gathering gloom, dug into the trenches and foxholes there is a nervy, jumpy air hanging over the front line. In the silence between the crump of incoming shells, a jittery chatter and even gentle weeping can be heard, as we gradually realise that, leaderless and lacking intelligence on the position and size of the enemy, we may not see the dawn.
Earlier Padre Dyer moved among us with words of comfort and encouragement but the oncoming night holds terrors that we cannot wish away.
Then along the trench, toecaps shining, battledress sharply creased, back ram rod straight, he picks his way amongst his shattered troops. He’s been in tighter corners than this and knows what it takes to survive. His voice is sharp, decisive yet tinged with understanding and sympathy as he issues orders and offers encouragement, “Another foot deeper with that foxhole son. Smoke and a sniper will pick you off.” He speaks sharply and with belief as he raises morale along the wavering lines.
Eyes hollow with exhaustion, but jaws now firmly set we search the enveloping darkness, gripping the rifle stock, kissing our mementos or penning those last thoughts.
Shoulders back, gimlet-eyed, Colour Sergeant Mark strides on to the next sector down the line.
(Suitably inspiring martial music swells and fades)
Now what have I done with Andy McNab’s publisher’s number……
Sometimes a little joy comes your way in this increasingly fucked up, anodyne, safe, bland, celebrity obsessed, money grabbing, corporate bollocks goobledy-gook talk, talent vacuum of a world.
The truly marvellous radio station Planet Rock has been saved after the devil incarnate Fru Hazlitt of media giants GCAP Media (may bankruptcy and scandal plague their lives) decided to close them down despite constant rising audience figures and hosts of awards. I can continue to hear the likes of Kashmir, Amused to Death, Jesus of Suburbia, Purple Haze, White Rabbit, Neon Knights, Enter Sandman, Highway Star and a million other great songs that Radio 1,2 and all the rubbish pseudo-hospital radio doppelganger 'zany' local stations would never dream of playing unless they were after midnight and had the abridged god-forsaken, accursed radio-edit versions.
Nothing to do with Chelsea of course, but it's made my day and kept a .....ahem......40-something old man very happy in the absence of any news from SB.
No news is allegedly still good news.
Reading the club' statement of yesterday makes me believe that if they are negotiating with anyone, it is someone currently not employed either at club or international level. Of the "favourites", that would mean Mancini, Rijkaard, or Laudrup, SGE having gone exotic. On the other hand, they might already have an agreement with one of the Euro2008 managers and are waiting for their elimination to announce the good news. I'm guessing that would leave them open to some sort of poaching charge which might be a nuisance - though it would not be the first time. Van Basten is clearly out as is Donadoni, so that seems to leave only Hiddink or Scolari. Let us hope that Kenyon and co are feeling law-abiding. Of course, there are plenty of other unemployed managers looking for work. Big Sam comes to mind ...
LINK
Oh Dear.... More bad news, now Spaletti has said no!
Anyone wishing we had Avram back yet?
Anyone wishing we had Avram back yet?
About as much as I'd wish for a cocktail of venereal diseases.
Fernando Torres praises Cech and Carvalho?
goal.com:
The 24-year-old will go into Euro 2008 sky-high in confidence after having scored a remarkable 24 league goals in his maiden season for Liverpool, though he has himself suggested that the tally would not be as high in a more defensively astute league.
“In England the keepers usually come out too soon and try to go one on one with you," he revealed.
“The only exceptions are Edwin Van der Sar and Petr Cech, who hold and hold and try to keep themselves ‘big’ as you close in on them.
“That’s why, against Manchester United and Chelsea, I try to hit the ball early.
“The rest of the Premier keepers tend to come out at you and throw themselves down at the ball too quickly.
“In general, that’s the reason so many goals in England are scored when a striker dribbles right or left and the keeper goes down at his feet. But if you anticipate what’s coming, it’s easier to score," he added.s
“The central defenders are usually big, strong, aggressive lads. I guess it is probably because of these characteristics that the majority think they can solve problems by getting tough with me.
“But the truth is most of them lack defensive positioning as a result of their reliance on strength and aggression and leave so much space for you to take advantage of.”
Torres went on to share credit with an unusual ally in his battle of wits against Premiership defenders and keepers while also giving plaudits to one of Liverpool's unsung heroes.
“We’ve a Spanish goalkeeping coach and he has been a genius at telling me every week exactly what kind of task lies in front of me in the following match.
“Nobody has ever worked with me like this before. It’s outstanding. Basically, I know days before the next game exactly the best way to finish a chance against the keeper I’m about to face.
“Xavi Valero tells me precisely what each keeper tends to do — stay big, go down early, if they have a preferred side they try to push you to. It’s vital information. I’ve refined the way I take chances as a result.
“This Liverpool side also works its socks off for me. Dirk Kuyt, for example, is spectacular in how cleverly and how hard he works to make sure I get top-quality possession near goal.
"He does his own work and mine too! I reckon I’ve probably run half a kilometre less than normal when chances drop for me at Liverpool, because some of the guys behind me do so much running and chasing.
"I get fewer chances at Liverpool than at other times in my career but they are always better chances.”
Finally, the ex Atletico Madrid prodigy admitted that there is one Premiership defender that he doesn't fancy coming across.
He said: “Terry is captain so gets a much higher profile. But he’s only secondary to Carvalho. Ricky is superb. He has every quality that is needed.”
I think its cool that a striker of his quality rates our defense. Obviously rival fans wont wanna admit Carvalho is top class but his consistancy in tackling is evident for everyone to see. Thanks and well done Fernando. Bottomeline: PLEASE KEEP RIC AT ALL COST!
#86
Amazing. He's not giving 110%, taking each game as it comes, giving his all for the gaffer, he's actually talking about how he plays the game.
A football piece (albeit quite short) where a player actually says something interesting and gives a genuine insight into how he thinks through his role in the team and approaches the job.
Interesting about the level of preparation and input from the goalkeeping coach. And the fact that Torres isn't used to that level of detail being given to him.
His comments about defending in the EPL perhaps partly explains why success at international level still eludes England.
It would be interesting to hear RC talk about the art of defending and how he gors about it in a similar vein to this piece.
You could watch football on TV for a long long time and never hear anything vaguely approaching this sort of insight.
Why? Who knows?
Just goes to show that if you ask footballers about football, they can have a lot to say for themselves. Always think it's such a shame that we have managers of the calibre of Benitez, Mourinho, Wenger etc and all they ever get asked is 'rotation', 'where's your dog gone' and 'why did Gallas cry'. Said it before and will say it again - no wonder they all hold the English press in such contempt.
I always remember when Mourinho arrived and expressed his surprise when one of the first things he was asked was about Eidur buying one of Mick Jagger's guitars or something. Sums the media up nicely.
LINK+Jose+reunion+for+Drogba.html
the title sums it up so dont bother reading
Delighted that you seem to be as dissapointed at what's going on at Chelsea as me. This merry-go-round is doing nothing to enhance either the reputation of the club off the field, or, i predict, it's performances on it.
Unfortunaltely the only person we're going to attract to the job is one who is interested in the huge pay off he will undoubtebly recieve when we sack him.
CONTINUITY is what we need. We were never going to get it with Grant. And i doubt we'll ever get it now. The bar has been set: Win everything or face the sack!
Anderlecht 0 - 2 Chelsea
* Paul Doyle
* guardian.co.uk,
* Wednesday November 23 2005
Not that any of that was exciting enough to distract commentator Martyn Tyler from his digressions; apparently Eidur Gudjohnsen is the proud owner of a guitar signed by the Rolling Stones. Which prompted Andy Gray to claim he has one signed by Black Sabbath. Maybe he and Eidur can have a jam session in the gantry for the last few minutes, now that Mourinho has replaced the Icelander with Geremi.
@34 Bluetone - "and how about Danny Blanchflower and Geoff Hurst?" -
2 "romantic" back-to-back appointments which ended disastrously after 9 and 18 months respectively. Blanchflower failed to halt the inexorable slide to relegation already well under way when appointed in December 78, while Hurst briefly led the side towards top of old Division 2 two seasons in a row before collapsing in second half of season and missing promotion both times - neither ever managed anywhere else again!
I think I'll take advice above and just avoid the rolling sports news TV and websites till we hear something official but am I the only one who finds something odd in AC Milan's general manager, Adriano Galliani giving an exclusive interview to Sky Sports News yesterday where he admitted on the very day the Ancellotti rumours were everywhere he [Galliani] had been in talks with Kenyon - if only supposedly to enquire about Drogba/Shevchenko and squelch any hopes we have on Kaka?
Last thought - "Footballbets'R'Us" seem to have had another good day yesterday as now Spalletti's odds plummetted as the "smart money" moved to him and then drifted out to nowhere again after he denied being interested........
I think Drogba will go to Inter. Let's see now, Ibrahimovic has already asked for crunch talks with Mourinho on which he will be the looser, nobody is bigger than JM at a club as the world knows! and this guy did eff all this season compared to Torres, Ronaldo et all in Europe!, Crespo is too old and will be retiring after hoping for a place warming the bench at Inter which JM again will not have..only fighters are allowed on JM's bench, Adriano is another who quite frankly has not proved himself at all! Only Julio Cruz may get a chance at regular first team. So in attacking options for Inter, I hear alot about how they dont need anyone, but if you follow Inter and Italian football and analyse their front line, I dont think JM will be too over the moon about that quartet to try and win three titles with Inter and None of them are anywhere near Drogba as a frontman perfectly fitting in with Italian footie so let's wait and see...
I see Lampard of to Inter, Essien stays with us, Carvalho is 50:50. So Apart from Drogs and Lampard I dont think it will be all that bad apart from the two best in the team! Sorry to the Ballack lovers but if he is the one left in the team instead of Lampard, nex year will be his last in a Chelsea shirt after having a really bad up and coming season in 2008/9...He is brilliant at times but personally, the jury is still out for me on him...at least compared to Lampard.
If one were inclined, there is some good money to be made arbing the latest candidate as the prices kangaroo up and down by the hour...
Bookies must be laughing their arses off.
Carvalho won't go anywhere.
Corriere della Sera 05 giugno 2008
Il Chelsea blinda e si tiene Andriy Shevchenko. Deluse, dunque, le speranze del Milan di riportare a casa il centravanti ucraino. Ad Adriano Galliani l’ha detto direttamente Peter Kenyon, ad del Chelsea, nel corso di un vertice a Londra in cui si è parlato anche di Drogba, che interessa i rossoneri al pari di Adebayor (Arsenal). Anche se la prima scelta del Milan resta però Eto’o. Obiettivi più facili, ma meno entusiasmanti per la piazza: Berbatov e Gomez.
Chelsea will keep Shevchenko. Thus AC Milan's hopes to get the Ukrainian back to Milan have been frustrated. Peter Kenyon himself broke the news to Adriano Galliani in a London meeting. They also discussed the future of Didier Drogba, an objective of the rossoneri along with Adebayor, although first choice remains Eto'o, followed by easier targets Berbatov (!) and Gomez
#99
Keepin Sheva? We definately need a new striker if Drogba goes. How do we make space? I really pains me to see him waste his time here anymore.
Yeah, really important that we hang on to Shev. Cheers Kenyon.
Course, Bates was legendary for never sacking managers and treating them decently, especially if they'd recently won silverware. Gianluca Villi and Ruud Gullit would confirm this immediately, I'm sure. Hypocritical old bugger. Stick to the Third Division, Batesy.
Keep Sheva ????
What sort of idiot made that suggestion at the club (I'm looking at you, Abramovich). He's got steadily worse in his time here, I can't see anything other than an even more embarassing season from him if he stays.
If we dont get Villa, I keep reading good things about Mario Gomez but have seen nothing of him in action, and although his name is mentioned, Huntelaar seems to be behind Venngoor of Hesselink AND Kuyt in the national side. Hardly world-beating stuff then....
Mind you, it'll all be meaningless when Big Sam Allardyce is unveiled as our new manager and breaks the bank by signing the first choice strikers from Nepal and Papua New Guinea. Maybe.
Ha ha, yeah, Batesy was as likely to sack you for winning something as the current owners are for nearly winning the greatest double in our history (a single lack of concentration in the Prem against Wigan and a slip in the wet grass in the Ch Lge final is all that denied us). But...what he says in the Sun, like what I was saying above, is true I believe. There is a serious lack of real knowledge about football and a poverty of real football contacts among our top brass. Kenyon is a good builder of the brand and he knows how to sell t-shirts, that's his job. Buck is a businessman. Roman is a rich man who genuinely seems to enjoy football and wants his team to be loved by the whole world. But he is learning slowly what it takes, too slowly for most of us. Remember these are the guys who appointed Avram Grant AND extended his contract before sacking him. Why should we trust their competence? I don't. I think they don't know what they are doing. And that whoever we get as manager, whenever that happens, will be spun as the man we wanted all along.
Did have to laugh at Batesy's comments - not that he's bitter or anything...
Mario Gomez, scored a goal with his cock. That's what keeps going round my mind.
There's obviously some truth in what Bates says, but there's also a hell of a lot of shit stirring. I mean, how much did, say, Colin Hutchinson know about Chelsea and football before he started at Chelsea? And for all Bates's knowledge of football and 'love' of Chelsea, he treated fans and old players like shit, abandoned the old badge, priced out supporters, nearly made us bankrupt fulfilling his dreams of the bloody Village and gave a job to Bobby Campbell. This did as much damage to Chelsea's 'soul' as anything from the new lot. And we were despised just as much then as we are now.
Dear God, the gospel according to Ken. Hypocritical doesn't begin to cover it for me. The despotic, sour-faced. embarrassing PR disaster whose mouth never engaged with his brain really should be in a home by now. Lest we forget, as Peter says, Gullitt and Vialli, he also presided over trips to the old Division 2 and by a hairs breadth escaped Division 3.
Electric Fences anyone? Surely the first item on the menu for creating a 'soul'for the club, or possibly brining the average fan closer to becoming a soul.
Spiralling ticket prices anyone? Every year under Ken got dearer and dearer in order to fund the 'Village' white elephant concept.
Spiralling rip off food and drink prices anyone? If I'm right ken introduced the blanket £2.50 charge for burgers, hot dogs etc. Ken and his henchmen also forced the sellers outside the ground to comply or else lose their licence to sell.
Spiralling programme prices anyone? Yep, guess who introduced the £2.50 match day programme when everyone else was selling at between £1.00 and £1.50?
Spiralling merchandise costs anyone? yep, the most expensive replica kit around was a hallmark of our 'Bates era' success.
Contempt for Matthew Harding anyone? Oh how I laugh when I hear Ken go on about how to treat people like Avram Grant. Harding was barely cold before he stuck the knife in and not satisfied with that he then went on to disenfranchise and spread vicious lies about Hardings widow. His treatment of her and the family was des-bloody-picable.
Contempt for ex-players anyone? Yep, in a more Kremlin like manner than a Russian owner could even dream up, Ken of course famously divorced the club from the majority of ex-players, never offering any helping hands and sacking those who did matchday hospitality, Peter Osgood being a key example. Is it any surprise he wasn't on any of the centenary celebration invite lists but huge piles of ex-players were.
Ken Bates lecturing the current regime on competence is a bit like The Pope lecturing people on sex, Keith Richards lecturing people on drug misuse or George Bush preaching the benefits of peace.
All that said, by Tony especially, Batesy did understand the true nature of Chelsea - that we are flash, cocky, talk a bigger game than we deliver, didn't kowtow to our 'betters' and always manage to make a drama out of a crisis.
Mourinho got it as well.
Aaarrrggghhhh, bloody Chelsea Village. Surely a contender for a top 10 place in 'Football Clubs Worst Ideas Ever'. Just behind Coventry's brown away kit (Please God dont let our new away kit be brown now).
Oh, and a bit under the radar, so I'm not sure if it will be extended, but Serbian 'wonder-kid' Slobodan Rajkovic is due to come back to us from his loan at PSV last season.
He's a centre-back, so wonder where that leaves him in the pecking order with JT, Riccy, TBH, Alex, Mancienne, Cork et al.
Ah Ken Bates rattling cages again - the nostalgia of it all. Oddly I thought about him yesterday when I renewed my season ticket and recalled the good old days when he set season ticket renewal deadlines around Easter each year - now there was a man who understood the concept of cashflow - even if he went a touch awry in the moneymarket loan business!
Fifty,
You forget Isheevenrealovic.
I think the plan is to corner the world market in centre backs so nobody else can have a decent defence. It's working with Arsenal.
Blueboydave
I'm pretty sure that after we beat Liverpool to qualify for the Champions League in 03, the money for the group stages had left my account before I even made it home.
I’m pretty sure that after we beat Liverpool to qualify for the Champions League in 03, the money for the group stages had left my account before I even made it home.
Quite - I'm sure there are loan sharks that would have baulked at the "efficiency" of Batesy's debt collection...
I know I said was giving up websites for the duration but I sneaked a look at the Guardian and found this interesting take on the betting situation:
LINK
Latest news form Tribal Football,no idea how reliable but have to wonder why anyone would want to sign for us at the moment.
Chelsea go for Porto ace Quaresma
tribalfootball.com - June 05, 2008
Chelsea are chasing Porto winger Ricardo Quaresma.
DiarioSport says Chelsea have already made an offer for the Portugal international in the wake of Porto being thrown out of next season's Champions League competition.
And another one to raise a smile or two.
Chelsea favourites for Barcelona's Eto'o
tribalfootball.com - June 05, 2008
Chelsea are moving ahead of Italian rivals in the battle for Barcelona striker Samuel Eto'o.
Marca says a decision from Eto'o could be made this weekend over offers from Chelsea, Inter and AC Milan.
And Chelsea are regarded as favourites for the Cameroon international, with club owner Roman Abramovich's spending power, alongside the cash raised from Didier Drogba's sale, strengthening their hand in negotiations.
One Portuguese player signed, another mooted - Scolari, anyone?
Although the club are "Extremely Happy"with the way the search for a new manager is going,whatever the hell that means.I'm sure that many fans,myself included,are not anywhere near as joyfull as the board claim to be.
I'm old fashioned and would really like to believe that any players signed or sold would be the new manager's decision,so the longer this farce continues the less chance anyone would want to join us.
Unless of course Roman will be signing the players and picking the team next season.
Sevchenko player-manager anyone?
Stranger things have happened.
#117
You never know. But it would be nice if he can bring Quaresma over to Chelsea. A manager of his stature and earn the respect of players and also prevent them from leaving.
Lynn,
IMO, Tribal Football is about as believeable as The Sun, NOTW and Football365. So not very.
According to the press, we've been after Quaresma for about 10 years now, which is impressive as he's only in his mid-20's. Eto'o gets mentioned all the time as well, but as of now, we still have DD, Sheva, Pizarro and Anelka as our strikers so would be interesting to see what seat in the stands he would be given.
If the rumours about Jose at Inter are true, then they are not after a striker - so that only leaves AC as the team being in the hunt. And they can't even offer Champs League football next season - hardly the sort of appeal needed for DD (and Sheva) to move.
In all honesty, I can see us having the same squad at the start of the season. The players who are being 'mooted' as leaving wont do so until they know who the new manager is. By all accounts, it's increasingly unlikely to be sorted until after the Euros by which time the 'buying' clubs (i.e those which have something resembling stability) will have added alternative players to their books. And we get another season of DD wanting to leave; Pizarro struggling against Championship opposition; Sheva perfecting his handicap etc.
'I’m old fashioned and would really like to believe that any players signed or sold would be the new manager’s decision'
To be honest, I don't think this has been the case at Chelsea since the days of Glenn Hoddle.
Giovani Dos Santos claims he will be at Spuds next seaon for a fee of £4.7 million and which may rise to £7.9 million.Can you imagine what the fee would have been if we were signing him?
Anyone who watches Paper Talk on Chelsea TV might have seen Sun journo Ian McGarry informing us that he was "nailed on"to come to the Bridge both in the Jan transfer window and after the season finished.
Why can't we sign these players like Dos Santos and Pato,surely our scouts must go and see them play and report back to Arnesen.I know Pato was mentioned but as usual it all came to nothing.
It's all very well picking up players to play in the youth team,but how many actually make it further?We either end up sending them on loan or selling them cheap.
We need young players who are knocking on the manager's door,whoever that may be,and competing for a first team place.
What else does Arnesen have to do at the club,besides pick up Roman's laundry of course.
Ian McGarry probably knows about as much as anyone on this board.
Difficult situation with young (South American) players; I don't doubt we (and various other English clubs) were aware of the likes of Pato, but the cultural jump from Latin America to here is a hell of a big one, especially for a teenager - far less so for Italy or Spain which is why many of them end up there. Historically the clubs over there have better links with Latin America - something which is changing now, but it's no surprise when some Brazilian wunderkid picks Madrid, Lisbon or Milan over London, Manchester or Liverpool.
And re Dos Santos - I've no doubt he is probably a decent player, but if he were that good I'd wager that Barca wouldn't be parting with him for £5m or so. I don't see them touting Bojan about in the same way and there is good reason for that.
JD,
Your point about South American players is interesting, and is one that is brought up every time a player is mentioned about moving here, but seems to fit Brazilians more than others (Ronaldinho when he was linked with us, Pato and Kaka. Middlesbrough seem to have had the most success - Emerson, Juninho, Alves (maybe)).
I wonder sometimes if it's the mentality. Is there a difference based on Nationality. Crespo was arguably a success, Veron maybe not so much. D'Alessandro at Pompey on loan was a revelation. And what of our own Di Santo ???? The Argies seem better equiped than the Brazilians.
Mind you, we had Emerson Thome...
Anyone need cheering up :
LINK
Hahahahahahahaha,
Hands up anyone surpised by this news. Thought not.
He really wants to move for all the right reasons : "I want to play for Real Madrid, but only if it is true they are eager to pay me and Manchester United what they have been saying they will."
Jog on you greedy, money driven, shit-at-penalties, wannabe hero.
Ladies and Gentlemen I present to you Fifty's 'I want them to lose the most' nation at the Euro's - Portugal. Sorry Riccy, Paulo and Jose, but he doesnt help himself. I expect him to have a stinker anyway.
#114 BBD
With the deregulation of betting, use of the internet etc. it is now no different from the City where a goodly few spend their time making money off price movements based on rumour that they or their associates have started. Betting on information real or imagined is always going to create this type of situation and is far easier to manipulate than betting on results. So you not only have to factor in what the club/player/agent is up to but whether its someone just making a few bob.
This is a recent example of what certain unscrupulous individuals get up to when using legitimate and respectable media outlets to practice their nefarious trade.
"….BREAKING NEWS….BREAKING NEWS…Sources close to my posterior understand that Roman Abramovich and Peter Kenyon have been in negotiations with Sergei Rippemmov, former manager of Chukotka Miners’ League Division 3 side Uelen Cossacks 1916 FC. We understand a deal to appoint Sergei as next manager of Chelsea is imminent - “I can show that Avram Grant where he went wrong” Sergei was heard to say by sources close to the deal.
An excited Spokesman for Footballbets’R'Us said “All the smart money is now pouring in for Rippemmov and his odds are plummeting by the minute. We reckon a few more days of this nonsense should compensate nicely for the lack of all those mug punters who would normally be betting on England to win Euro 2008 this week - oh whata giveaway!”
Quite frankly appalling...
On the subject of Chelsea's recent history, you only have to scroll down the same Guardian article to the next story to see that once again there appear to be dark deeds being done down at the crossroads. Who owns what? Offshore companies, phones ringing in empty offices in Hong Kong, the Caymans? Remind you of anything or anyone....better stop before a writ is served.
@ 124 - Fifty
"Ladies and Gentlemen I present to you Fifty’s ‘I want them to lose the most’ nation at the Euro’s - Portugal. Sorry Riccy, Paulo and Jose, but he doesnt help himself. I expect him to have a stinker anyway."
Plus it'll dent the revered reputation of Scolari and maybe instil some sense into the Chelsea hierarchy and convince them to go for the younger coach. But I wouldn't bet on it.
Tony,
Good point, one I hadn't thought of despite my complete negativity around appointing Scolari as manager.
I'm now hoping the Russians exit early with three defeats and a hugley negative goal-difference......
Fifty - wonder if the streets of smoggy Boro are more similar to the favelas of Rio? Might have helped the Brazilian contingent settle in...? Maybe the Argentines are made of sterner stuff than their neighbours.
@125 Blue Bayou - I'm not one to say I told you so........
For those who may have missed the attempt at market manupulation to which I refer, please look at 'The return of the Special One' #168
M'lud I rest my case
It seems the club is being careful in appointing the new manager as hasty moves could prove to be disastrous. If the decision to sack Average Grunt was made after the Champions League final, I'm not surprised that it takes time to find good replacement.
Shame about Spalletti ruling himself out, I think he would have been a good choice. Of the still somewhat available managers linked to the job, I'd go for Dick Advocaat or Thomas Schaaf ahead of Rijkaard or Scolari..
SpalLetti with Zola sounded pretty good.
Aaaahh well... We'll end up with the one manager I would hate to see here.
Scolari.
Please show some respect... Cristiano Ronaldo has been voted as the sexiest footballer by gay men. :-)
Pardon my ignorance but is it becoming a club tradition that the main goalscorer at Manure is referred to as Horseface? Wasn't this the common nomenclature for one Ruud Van Nistelroy (?? apologies to the Dutch nation and Horseface the First for my spelling if this is incorrect).
Should he (Ronaldo) not be Horseface Jnr or Horseface II or Horseface the Younger?
Should he (Ronaldo) not be Horseface Jnr or Horseface II or Horseface the Younger?
@ BLUE BAYOU
Considering Ronaldinho (meaning "little Ronaldo") is called as such to distinguish him from (yet another equine featured) the other Ronaldo, maybe we should call him Horesfacedinho..or Muffin (as in the mule)or Mr Ed would be easier? I dunno..i'm getting dizzy!!!
@ FIFTY
I agree. As much as i adore Riccy, Paulo and T.S.O, i so want Portugal to get a good thrashing, just to show the world on a bigger scale how over-rated the t**t is!!!
Regarding the Manager(less) situation, does anyone agree that maybe CFC and Ancelotti are keeping schtum while doing a secret deal behind the scenes? I think the stories of Ancelotti being happy and staying at Milan are perhaps a smokescreen to put the press off the scent.
I thought yesterday that Rijkaard would be Manager but the more i think about it, IF it was gonna be him or Mancini, surely they would've been presented to the press by now? They're both out of work, so nothing would stop them ,as such, starting work, laying out plans etc..
I reckon whoever Roman wants is STILL in a job and he's trying to coax him away..
SSN said early this morning that he wasn't giving up until he signs Ancelotti..
I just hope it's NOT Scolari..
Also, know this is like, over a week old but i read a comment from Anelka saying that he hopes CFC get another striker and don't expect HIM to be a direct replacement for Didier if he leaves. He said "goals aren't my thing. I like to play in the position behind the striker" REALLY? I remember him scoring regularly at Bolton. Or maybe i'm confusing him with someone else? Surely a statement that WON'T endear him to fans at Chelsea.
I tell you, it'll be Christian Gross. Or Martin "Mad Dog" Allen. You heard it here first.
I say, it'll be Ian Holloway. If Average Grant can be Chelsea manager, anyone can!
"Stranger things have happened in football." - Kenn Emetulu
@ SIMONT
More like be scared, be very scared if the likes of Ian Holloway is coming to town!!! :S
Actually, we don't need a manager. Chelsea players can form a commune so they just pick their own team and run their own affairs. Roman should know how communism works! ;-)
OK, nailing my colours to wall, putting my cock on block, leveraging all my available synergies, sweating all available assets, setting my stall out early doors, getting some skin in the game, making the first move, standing loud and proud and having the courage of my convictions I've made my choice.
Frank Rijkaard, come on down.
After a respectable stint with Holland in 5 years at Barcelona he took them from a Newcastle like 'big club stuck in middle of the table' torpor to European Champions and La Liga Champions. He got players like Messi, Eto'o, Ronaldinho, Deco et al in the side. he got them playing some of the best football in the world. He has the right mix of PTR and potential. He's media friendly, sartorially elegant and if you can coach Barca for 5 years then you can coach Chelsea. Lets not kid ourselves about the size of the respective clubs yet. Unlike Spanish fans we support our team when losing and don't immediately field a sea of white flags or threaten lives.
Maybe he did lose the dressing room this yar, but he showed a big set of Cojones in dropping Horsealdinho and Deco and treating them with the contempt they deserve. I reckon he's available but and would accept but after 5 years at Barca, maybe he felt a month or so away from the game would let him reset his footballing mojo.
Roman, Kenyon et al, Rijkaard is our man. Please.
By the way, you all only get ONE vote on this, no lists. Pick your man and stick by him. Nick.....maybe a poll?
Well given my first 3 picks (Mourinho, Hughes, Sven) have all gone elsewhere, I am a little scared to make another pick, just in case I put the kiss of death on that one too.
However, of the remaining candidates, and despite his insistance that he won't take the job, I am going for Hiddink.
The votes from the Fifty camp are in, and they read as follows.
Frank Riijkaard.
Thank you, and good night (well, morning).
On a seperate note, The Sun is normally a detestable piece of crap, but theres a half decent bit on Jon Gaunt's page today. After his personal attack on JT after 'that miss', JT had the bottle to phone him up and chat with him. And Mr Gaunt has happily realised what a thoroughly decent chap JT really is.
I'll see if I can find a link.....
The House of Commons. That bloody den of Chelsea supporters.
LINK
Ok I'll admit I'm anti Mourinho but LINK makes me think he's somehow implicated. There's no smoke without fire and Mourinho will try to win at all costs (exactly how many Euros is still to be discovered).
On the main topic, Steve McLaren isn't busy at the moment.
I quite like the idea of Hillary Clinton being the Chelsea Manager; her husband is a Chelsea fan and her daughter is called Chelsea.
God bless America!
(In tired, resigned tone of voice......)
I suppose if children do model themselves on the likes of Wayne Rooney (and no-one ever quotes peer reviewed research when talking about this subject) I assume the long winter evenings in front of the TV will be filled with 10 and 12 year olds being given makeovers (including dental work, plastic surgery, chemical peels etc. just as in 10 Years Younger or whatever that crap is called) to look like Wayne rooney and other celebs. If I could just think of a catchy title I might pitch the idea myself...
Cue opening shot. "And now young man do you want to like like a horse or a potato?"
Still I suppose its better than watching endless porperty programs or overweight people being forced to examine their poo in the company of a demented female pixie.
(What do you mean you could always go and do something rather than sit on your a**e in front of the TV..?)
152. Blue Bayou · 9:03 AM · 6th June
"just as in 10 Years Younger or whatever that crap is called"
10 Times Wanker?
@TG #145
"OK, nailing my colours to (the) wall,"
A sign, I'm afraid of our diminished status as a maritime nation. In bygone days we would, of course, have nailed our colours to the mast.....
@BT #153
mmmmm I was looking pre-watershed and the use of the W word might be problematic.
Ronaldinho says he would "never" join Chelsea but then Man City contact him and he claims to be "absolutley" interested, Theres something wrong there
@155 BTBJ,
You're right.
Any talk of him coming to Chelsea would have involved him having to make an effort. Going to Citeh (probably getting paid whatever he wants) may be slightly different......
Classy insinuation there Mark. That's the trouble with you Mourinho haters, you have so little actual evidence to back up your case you have to resort to making stuff up.
@TG #145
“OK, nailing my colours to (the) wall,”
Am I obliged to vote for Sergei Rippemmov, former manager of Chukotka Miners’ League Division 3 side Uelen Cossacks 1916 FC or do I still get a real vote?
@ 158 BBD - My dear friend of course you get a real vote
2 for Rijkaard
1 for Hiddinck
1 for McClaren
1 for Clinton
@ 154 - Blue Bayou - I stand corrected of course, and being just 8 nautical miles from Portsmouth I hang my head in shame. If the visual on the comments allowed it I would apologize in full semaphore, instead please settle for something less visually stimulating, but arguably equally maritime.
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Re: Tony 159 ...... must put you about 23 miles from me then.
Re: Fitty 148
This is the link to Gaunts story
LINK
I was listening to his show on Thursday morning and he said about this conversation to Brazil and Irani. He told the listeners to read his column today to see what happened. Fitty, you made me read the Sun!!!!! I had forgotten about it til you mentioned it.
My vote goes to Rijkaard simply because I don't fancy any of the remaining available contenders.
I go on holiday to the old villa for a week tomorrow ............ I wonder if we will still be managerless when I return?
Why are we waiting for a new manager to come to us when there is a guy that stands out above the rest? His name is FRANK RIJKAARD! Nobody has a better CV than him, Scolari = Unproven in europe and plays boring football, McClown = I dont think I need to give an analysis of him, Anyone who wants him as manager must be crazy to say the least. Hiddink = Doesnt want the job and is 60 so why are we offering it to him?. This lack of a manager has also cost us in the transfer market, Giovani has gone to Spuds and Eidur is on the verge of joining Newcastle. Dos Santos has been praising us for months and surely wouldve joined if Rijkaard was here or any manager for that matter, Same with Gudjohnsen he loves Chelsea and has had a nightmare at Barca. The Bosingwa signing proved we can sign the best even with AG in charge, Im really hoping that Rijkaard is appointed in the next week so that we can sign new players for next season (in which we will need to win something), If not then we will either be stuck with free transfers or be left with players that arent wanted eg Ben Haim, Sidwell.
@ TG
'but arguably equally maritime'
I was looking forward to what that was going to be and then your keyboard packs up. Ah well never mind.
@ 160 Austin - Clanfield
4 for Rijkaard now. A clear leader.
I know some of you also now see TSO as our enemy because he may want to sign some of our players and we will proberbly come across his Inter in the Champions League sometime but I still love the guy and he has said that he would only get our players if we put them up for sale and we know that we will never sell Essien, Riccy and Lamps etc. Hes tipping Spain to win the euros, What about you guys? Im going for Ze Germans
LINK
wont answer questions - still remaining coy!! COME ON BRING THE BALD SPAG TO US
This is the one boys - by far the best tactician and motivator available and as his english isnt great WHO will be number two - ZOLAAAAAAAAAAAAA - come on - this is exciting
@159 TG - you are a gentleman and a scholar - but I will stick to one pukka vote!
I was getting irritated as everyone and his dog seemed to be be backing out of the room quickly when linked to us but then was struck by the comparison with the frontrunners mentioned for the Blackburn job - Big Sam, 2nd choice Steve and Paul Ince - we have come a long way in a short time.
It seems that apart from those mysterious "left field" choices Rijkaard and Mancini are the only 2 names in the frame who haven't said no/go away till after Euro 2008 - at least in public.
Between those 2 I'd say it's a no-brainer for Rijkaard. I do not want someone who throws a wobbly when he loses a CL tie and announces to the world he's leaving at the end of the season, oh no wait a minute he's changed his mind.
So bring on some more Gullit-like sexy football - and if it all goes pear-shaped in a year or 2 maybe Roman will then accept that a streak of pragmatism is necessary too to win things.
Munkey, We cant have a manager who cant beat Man-Ure
Manual poll update...
6 for Rijkaard
1 for Hiddinck
1 for McClaren
1 for Clinton
1 for Spalletti
The ...ahem...Clinton and MCClaren voters will be allowed to re-cast for ...shall we say some more sensible candidates.
The longer this goes on, the more I suspect that a deal has already been done, possibly with someone managing a side at Euro 2008.
My vote already went to Thomas Schaaf, but of the others I suppose Rijkaard is probably the best bet, albeit that he looked like a man at the "underpants on head / pencils up nose" stage towards the end of last season.
'The longer this goes on, the more I suspect that a deal has already been done, possibly with someone managing a side at Euro 2008.'
BILICBILICBILICBILICBILICBILICBILICBILICBILICBILIC!
Otherwise: Rijkaard, alhough if that was the case, it would surely have happened already.
@ 170 - BTBJ - Mark, although I suspect he was having trouble speaking at the time as his tongue was so firmly planted in his cheek.
@ Peter - I'll cast you for Bilic then (a good choice) - the reason I think Rijkaard hasn't happened is because he wanted some time after 5 years in a VERY hot seat to take a break and gather his senses and remove the pencils from his nostrils and the pants from his head. Not an unreasonable request in my view.
6 for Rijkaard
1 for Hiddinck
1 for McClaren
1 for Clinton
1 for Spalletti
1 for Schaaf
1 for Bilic
According to Sky Sports News we are trying to offload Khalid Boulahrouz to Marseile for £7 million.
I like Bilic but didnt he sign a contract until the 2010 WC?
I demand a bloody recount! I stick with my beloved Hillary Clinton! No one can make me change my mind!
According to Sky Sports News we are trying to offload Khalid Boulahrouz to Marseile for £7 million.
£7 million?! If there is a better example of optimism available, I'd like to see it.
'£7 million?! If there is a better example of optimism available, I’d like to see it.'
The £8million we're asking for Sidwell..
@ 175.
That's it, the World of football has officially just gone crazy.
£7m for 'The Butcher'. Are we expecting someone who's never ever watched a game to want to sign him ???
Almost as ludicrous as offering £300,000 A WEEK to a one-season wonder who fails to deliver in big games........
The £8million we’re asking for Sidwell..
Has Sparky got his hands on Sinatra's chequebook yet? I feel a deal coming on...
LINK
Add it to this and the Mikel money, and we're rolling in it!
I'm sure we'll use it wisely in the transfer market, as we always do...
Blues target Porto star
skysports.com:
Top trio keen on flying winger
By Francisco Acedo Last updated: 6th June 2008
Chelsea have reportedly entered the race to sign Porto winger Ricardo Quaresma.
Reports emanating from Portugal claim Chelsea are ready to table a bid for the skilful wide-man.
The 24-year-old is thought to be considering his future at Porto and could be interested in a move away to a top club.
Porto are facing a fight to keep hold of their star players following their expulsion from next season's UEFA Champions League.
The news has alerted the likes of Chelsea, Internazionale and Real Madrid to Quaresma's possible availability this summer.
Porto president Jorge Pinto da Costa has warned any interested club that it will take a bid of 30m euros (£24million) to buy the Portuguese international.
"Those who are interested must pay his £30 million buy-out clause," said da Costa.
Big Phil, if by any chance you are reading my post, money is not an issue here. Its still considered affordable for a winger. LOL
I love Quaresma and have been hoping he would come to Chelsea for a while now but JM wants him at Inter, Lets hope we get him, I think if we did offer enough money then he would definetly come, Ferreira, Bosingwa, Hilario, Carvalho and Quaresma, Sounds good but he hates Rijkaard
I'll take Jang as the first vote for Scolari then
6 for Rijkaard
1 for Hiddinck
1 for McClaren
1 for Clinton
1 for Spalletti
1 for Schaaf
1 for Bilic
1 for Scolari
New Statesman this week: 'The season of the football transfer report is upon us and, outside the Madeleine McCann case, there is no branch of British journalism more feebly rooted in reality.'
Dos Santos has officially signed a 5 year deal with the Spuds.
Him and Modric in the same team as Berbatov (if he stays) is an interesting prospect.
One I wouldn't say no to, unfortunately they'll be playing against us.
The gauntlet of signing quality players has well and truly been laid down....
TONY
I've said it from the get-go and remain steadfast in my choice..it MUST be Rijkaard..
Can't believe Lippi hasn't been voted for yet. FR collapsed at the end of Barcelona, and I don't see him as a manager capable of taking Chelsea to the next level as TSO did.
He has the best pedigree of all the managers left, yet the question is whether he would risk his rep in the Premiership. Plus hes said he doesn't want to manage a team he can't speak the language for. Hes got a few months to learn though!
I vote for Lippi, but if he doesn't come i want a Laudrup/Zola/Clarke combo!
Hmm, interesting challenge TG.
I vote Laudrup.
I'd also be happy with Bilic or Spalletti, but I'm assuming that they mean what they say when they declare they aren't moving (perhaps this is rash). I'd be happy with Rijkaard, but fractionally less happy than the others.
Here's my thinking.
With apologies to the AG supporters (or is it "supporter"?), what happened this past season is that the team basically coached itself. I go to every home game, and you could see it pretty clearly, in the body language, the tactical confusion in situations where control was needed, the inability to put away weaker teams, the wildly varying performances with the best saved for the end when the players were desperate ... There was no clear system which everybody was buying into all the time, no consistency.
And yet despite all that, we at times played extremely well, and came very close to a fabulously successful season. So, I *don't* think the top priority should be a disciplinarian with a big reputation (Scolari, Hiddink). The team doesn't need to be stuffed in a straitjacket.
What we need is someone who can work with the extremely talented squad we have to bring in a coherent vision of attractive, attacking football, which the players will buy into.
Now here's the key point. RA is obviously making two demands: 1) shexhy football; 2) mega success. The *only* way he's going to get both is if we have a manager who can inspire the team to play such shexhy football that RA becomes willing to wait for the mega success. If we appoint someone with the stellar CV, there's going to be a clear, permanent expectation of immediate success. The only reason to bring in an old hand like Scolari would be to win *now*; and of course the level of success RA wants can't be guaranteed. This is why I'm slightly less enthusiastic about Rijkaard. I think in many ways he's the best candidate on his own merits, but because he's already won the CL, he's going to be expected to win it again, and if he doesn't, he'll either be under massive pressure or be fired, and we're back to square one. (My other problem with Rijkaard is that I can't forget the picture of him sitting in the dugout crying when his Holland team went out of the Euros -- will he flip out under the pressure?)
This is why I think it will be a positive advantage to get someone who does *not* have the track record. It's the only way the manager will be allowed to make the team his own, get the time to impose a coherent and exciting way of playing, and create some stability at the club.
Laudrup ticks the boxes. The players will instantly respect him as a great footballer. He'll have no communication problems. He'd clearly be hired for his potential, which would create the expectation of changing the team's style, rather than the demand for immediate success. He has no baggage. He favours the kind of football RA wants to see. He'll have the chance to prove himself.
Vote Laudrup! You Know It Makes Sense!
@ 171 JD - I'm sure we'd all love to believe you're right about this and it's all under control rather than headless chickens time. However doesn't this require:
1) The "discussions with Ancelotti's advisers" reports to be complete fiction - not that hard to swallow perhaps and
2) Everyone involved at Chelsea and the manager involved's reps/FA to have resisted the temptation to leak or give tiniest hint of the story for some weeks - seems pretty high up the Improbability Drive to me?
As most people have mentioned.
Scolari is unproven in Europe.
Hiddink won the Champions league but it was 20 years ago,does he have the appetite for a long season and would Roman incur Russia's wrath by stealling him? Spalletti has just finished a good season but does he have the qualities that Roman's looking for?
McClaren is a complete no-brainer
Schaaf,can't comment on him as I'm not sure how he would fit Roman's criteria of being a proven winner.
Ancelloti would go down well,if he brought a few players with him,like Kaka and Pato.Does Roman see Italian football as sexy?
Mancini,same applies regarding football but he is a winner.
That leaves us with Rijkaard.He is a winner,his teams play sexy football and has a Champions League winners medal in his collection.
But if we are after him,why the delay?It has been mentioned that he looked jaded and needs a break.But what better challenge than to make Chelsea winners again?
I would love to see him with us but have a bad feeling that this will drag on until Euro2008 is finished and if that is the case,you can bet that a lot of Chelsea fans will not be happy,one way or another
So my vote is Rijkaard but I don't believe Roman and the board want him,otherwise this farce would be done and dusted.
Either the delay on Rijkaard is because;
1) as SSN reported this morning, (a tabloid reports) he's on holiday and his agent says he's received "NO CONTACT FROM CFC". His agent also says that "Everyone i speak to says that Ancelotti is going to take the job at short notice" Therefore, Roman COULD be waiting for Rijkaard to get back from sunning himself before making an approach..I thought a meeting had already happened between the Chelsea/Rijkaard camps though?? Maybe not..
2) As i said last night, it MAY be possible that the final touches are going on behind the scenes to settle an agreement with Chelsea and Ancelotti,AWAY from the glare of the Media. Saying he's not interested in the job and is staying at Milan could be a smokescreen..According to SSN this morning, Ancelotti has been in touch with his coach, saying that he "needed an English speaking assistant"..hmmm..*rubs chin*
Whatever happens, the fact that the club has no Manager yet is bound to concern the players..
And if CFC don't bloody hurry up, there'll be no new players to buy!! McFergie would've bought 'em all!!!!! :D
Tribalfootball - (Yeah, I know...)
- Olympique Lyon have told interested clubs they can land star winger Hatem Ben Arfa for £10 million.
Manchester United boss Sir Alex Ferguson and Arsenal's Arsene Wenger have both confirmed their interest in Ben Arfa and Lyon president Jean-Michel Aulas declared: "He'll leave for £10-15 million.
"This is the market price, given that Arsenal will pay £12 million for Nasri." -
The Quaresma news was good, but this is fantastic if it's true. Ben Arfa is pure magic and still very young. I know he is a frustrating kind of player, but we can't let a natural talent like this escape us.
10-15 mil? Snap him up!
Offload Malouda.
Ben Arfa
Quaresma
Vandervaart
Gomez
plus the right manager of course and summer 'ins' should be done.
MARK
Cool. Did you do that all by yourself?! Just kidding..x
I've registered my vote..
Hilary Clinton?! LOL..at a push, maybe..if things get extremely desperate..
But what the hell is the Wally with the Brolly doin' on there?!!
Top man Mark
Everyone vote here!
LINK
The manual view is below.but I would urge everyone to use marks little Poll so that we can dig a few people out! Besides...I can't count past 10.
8 for Rijkaard
1 for Hiddinck
1 for McClaren
1 for Clinton
1 for Spalletti
1 for Schaaf
1 for Bilic
1 for Scolari
1 for Laudrup
1 for Lippi
Nick, any chance of a link to poll at the bottom of JD's article?
Well done Mark,thanks for all your hard work,I've voted,hope everyone joins in.
MARK
Awwwwwww!!!!!! How sweet!!!
Great of you to do it though, seriously..well done hunny x
Mark - In a bid to rescue my reputation after the betting scam story can I point out it seems to skew things a bit not including Mancini in the list of options even though I don't want to vote for him.
Post deleted because it showed me for the numpty I am.
@BBD (192)
Good point - from the reports the Ancelotti 'meeting' sounded speculative at best but the second point is a fair one; could be (and it would be a concern if so) that the candidate has just shaken hands on it but not put pen to paper - if they are at Euro 2008, their future could depend on how the team fares which might scupper them coming here. Not impossible that the few people concerned have kept their collective traps shut, albeit that it seems unlikely.
Then again, Rijkaard might be appointed tomorrow and the afore-mentioned could all be bollocks! :-)
@BLUEBOYDAVE Added Mancini, also exchanged Clinton for Laudrup (although Bill wanted me to swap Hilary for Monica).
This freebie poll only allows for 10 options.
I think Scolari is a good option and given the deafening silence from the boardroom, he could well be en-route.
He is used to managing highly skilled players and motivating their ego's. In essence Chelsea with RA chequebook can buy the Brazil team and Scolari is probably as good as anyone else on the planet to take the helm.
Can't see why others on here react negatively whenever he is mentioned. True, he is a character but thats not a bad thing is it.
Mark,
Good effort mate, well done.
I just voted - anonymously - for Riijkaard.
I was tempted to vote hundreds of times to make sure he wins. But I'm not sure I want him to believe he commands that sort of popularity when, in reality, he doesn't.
Although saying that, anything to stop Ancelotti or Hiddink winning is a good idea. And I was surprised there was no option to pick Allardyce. Maybe.
If only they used that very vote to pick the winner..........
@Mark,
While understanding the restrictions on the number of options is it possible to have a "none of the above, I could do a better job myself, that's money for old rope, you have to be joking giving a job to that tw*t, we might as well resign ourselves to relegation now, what's he ever done in the game, surely he's way past his best, there's more about football written on the top of my c*ck than he knows, my granny will do a better job than him..." sort of option.
Perhaps it could replace McClaren, to whom most of the comments listed would apply.
Call it The Man on the Clapham Omnibus option.
Well done on your public spirited attempt to bring order to the chaotic situation on this site. You can't get a good online betting scam going without well collated and visible information. Isn't that right BBD?
@TG #159
My admiration for Johnny Cash has increased ten fold. It took me several hours to unravel what would have taken him only seconds. Apology accepted.
This is from Sporting Life's Live Transfer Centre
1610: Chelsea have ended their interest in AC Milan coach Carlo Ancelotti, according to the Italian club."Chelsea will announce their new coach soon but no, I will not tell you if he is Italian."
Why do people assume that Roman can buy anyone?
If he could,we would have the likes of Kaka,Messi etc in a Chelsea shirt already.
@ 206 - Berkshire Blue
Scolari doesn't seem to fit the 'profile' for the brand, plus if he turned down England because of the press intrusion then he can magnify that by 100 for Chelsea, after all lets face it the England Manager only gets the crap a few times per season and only every 2 years at the most in active competition. Whereas with Chelsea....well it's constant innit?
Good to see the votes going in though!
@ 208 - Blue Bayou - Ah, Johnny Cash, a mans man and then some. Still can't listen to Ring of Fire without the normal curry induced double entendre.
Doesn't Scolari just represent everything RA hated about JM, but without the smouldering good looks and dog-related high jinx?
Voted for Bilic. Forgot to add name so has gone though as a guest. Not that anyone at the club is talking about him. I doubt he is even on the radar. But, given our squad only need a focus and and a couple of signings, given his knowledge of English footie, given his dead-eye stare, his looks and attitude, he begins to look a very good choice for now and the future.
Bilic has that slightly wild look look about him which will probably send Roman and co running quickly in the other direction, but I suspect the vast majority of Chelsea fans would love him.
Sporting Life Transfer Centre again
1715: Following the news that Chelsea have ended their interest in Carlo Ancelotti, Frank Rijkaard remains 11/8 favourite with Sky Bet to take over at Stamford Bridge.
Phil Scolari is an 11/4 chance while sacked Inter boss Roberto Mancini remains 11/2.
I just have the feeling that the board will appoint someone who will not go down very well with the fans,I really hope I'm wrong.
Bilic has no experience of managing a club at any level. Surely this would rule him out of contention. Sure, Croatia are a good international side - at least better than England which does not say much, but they were as good if not better before he took over as manager. As AG found out, it is relatively easy to manage a good side you inherit.
My vote went, and still goes, to Laudrup, who was as classy a player as they come, and shows every sign of being just as good at management. Failing this, Rijkaard, I suppose, though he really looked like he wanted to get away from football at the end of his time with Barca.
I'm surprised no one talks about Zico who has done a good job at Fenerbahce. Great player too.
Collectively we are suffering from a mass case of the "Grouchos". The Groucho club in London (for drinking and eating, not football - a bit like Norwich City - or Spuds with good food) is named after the famous Groucho Marx quote - to paraphrase, I wouldn't want to join a club that would accept me as a member.
You know the feeling, people are far less attractive to you if they find you attractive - hidden fruit etc. In this case, more like I wouldn't want to join a club that accepts my member. Treat them nasty.
I digress.
Anticipation is so much better, as the Au Pairs once sang.
Why is it that the unknowns like the Laudrups and the Spallettis seem more attractive than the well worn such as Scolari or Hiddink or Rijkaard or Mancini etc? Until you get under the covers with the unknown (for the more modest or Hassidic amongst us) you haven't discovered the irritating and unpleasant habits they have.
The trouble with the above theory is that it doesn't explain why I want to get back with my favourite partner (Gianfranco Zola), but given he knows how high my regard for him is, will he see Chelsea and us fans as too besotted. Maybe we need to treat Zola nastily and dhe will run to us.
If that works, maybe we should try the corollary and treat Peter Kenyon with extra TLC, and he might fuck off back to Old Trafford.
I don't think Spalletti is unknown if you have watched any italian football the past few seasons. And he plays a very attractive, ball to feet style that moves very quickly from back to front. Roma was a missed penalty away from beating Man U (sounds familiar...) and Roma is arguably second rate in every position compared to Chelsea.
I have never seen getafe play, so Laudrup is unknown to me. As is Zola.
If nothing else, perhaps an Italian manager could improve the technical skills of our young English players. Lord knows they need it.
I like Bilic and rate him very highly as a coach but I dont think hes ready to coach us yet, As for the poll my vote goes to Rijkaard but it would me far more popular if it was on the blog, Can you guys do that? It would be great
The page has 2674 views but we dont have that many guys who reguarly comment or not as many as we could have, Maybe having a poll would encourage the people who just view the comments to chat on here also?
Just put my vote in for Laudrup. I wait in anticipation as he takes top spot from Rijkaard in a few hours.
Many of the Euro2008 names being touted are people who have not managed at club level for quite some years, if ever. The premiership is a tough league in which to manage, not necessarily tougher than the Italian or the Spanish, but certainly more so than most. That a new manager should have some recent experience of one of the big leagues is surely a must, though the exception of TSO was counteracted by his extraordinary European success with Porto.
Of the Euro2008 managers, the only one I like is Van Basten and I doubt that even RA's millions could prize a second Ajax manager away in the same year. Of the rest, it is hard to be totally convinced by Rijkaard since he was fortunate to be in charge of an amazing array of talent. He had a lot of success, but with the players he had, he should have had more. Ancelotti is a dyed in the wool Milanese. Asking him to leave Milan is liking asking JT to leave Chelsea. Mancini was flattered by not having any serious Series A competition for a couple of years and failed to deliver in Europe. Are there any other proven, top-level, managers around, excluding the obvious (Rafa springs to mind)? Even someone like Klinsmann has not proven himself at club level so it will be interesting to watch how he does at Bayern (I suppose that Hitzfeld is not a possibility since he's off to Switzerland).
It would appear we either opt for one of the grey older men (Hiddink or Scolari, say) or we look for someone who is younger but shows a lot of promise, thus the names of Schaaf, Laudrup, and Spalletti, each of whom has achieved something moderately significant in the last couple of years without ever reaching the heights of a TSO.
Let's face it, Mourinho was an exceptional manager as he proved with Porto and Chelsea, but hopefully won't prove with Inter, and we are not going to get anyone nearly as good, at least not at this time. I really believe we should try and keep our expectations in check (a bit like with AG), though not of course our hopes, and enjoy the success when it comes.
I'm the one who does not forgive and forget easily considering all the ill-feeling between Chelsea and Frank Rijkaard in the past (Chelsea have been heavily fined by UFFA, remember?). Maybe Roman feels the same. So, I think the manager is gonna be Italian Job.
"You're only supposed to blow the bloody goal posts off!"(modified version) - Michael Caine
Just checked to see how MARK's poll is coming along.
Rather suprised to see that McClaren has got absolute zilch votes thus far...*CHOKE*
McClarens vote just shows the humor that the bloggers have, I smell Musumba :)
@ 221 - Graham
"Of the rest, it is hard to be totally convinced by Rijkaard since he was fortunate to be in charge of an amazing array of talent. He had a lot of success, but with the players he had, he should have had more."
Which for the most part he assembled.
Bilic managed Hadjuk Split for a while as I recall so he isn't totally without experience at club level.
I read somewhere in the papers and George Graham mentioned about our Chelsea squad. He said that we need 2 super duper quality buys to make a difference and i totally agree with him. We lacked goals when nessecary and it needs to be rectified. He also said that all we need is to maintain our organisation in defense and midfield. Then add in 2 more top class attacking players with flair and we will see a totally different Chelsea team. I couldnt agree more with him for once. Keep our strengths intact and build on the attack. The final piece to the Chelsea jigsaw is actually cutting edge. We can be back to where we rightfully belong.
Now, the question here would be: Which 2 players will ultimately make the difference for us?
NO for SPALETTI he has always played second fiddle to S.A.FERGUSON to hell with his entertainment he is just another wenger who wount win nuthn for the next 4 years HEY WE DONT WANT TO BE OUTSMARTED BY LEAST OF ALL SAF the only person close enough to TSO is MANCINI and we would be very silly to let him go.. Mancini is very consistent ..The entertainment factor is pure shit ..i think we are very entertaining In our own right depending on the current breed of players we have.most of our midfield is made up of a very physical genre. if we want to entertain in terms of dribbling then ROM should buy the likes of messi robben robinho aguero etc who are fluent at dribbling ..RIJKAARD HAD TOO MUCH LUCK WHEN INCHARGE OF BARCA too many ronaldinho freekicks penalties redcards disallowed goals against opposing teams
NO for SPALETTI he has always played second fiddle to S.A.FERGUSON to hell with his entertainment he is just another wenger who wount win nuthn for the next 4 years HEY WE DONT WANT TO BE OUTSMARTED BY LEAST OF ALL SAF the only person close enough to TSO is MANCINI and we would be very silly to let him go.. Mancini is very consistent ..The entertainment factor is pure shit ..i think we are very entertaining In our own right depending on the current breed of players we have.most of our midfield is made up of a very physical genre. if we want to entertain in terms of dribbling then ROM should buy the likes of messi robben robinho aguero etc who are fluent at dribbling ..RIJKAARD HAD TOO MUCH LUCK WHEN INCHARGE OF BARCA too many ronaldinho freekicks penalties redcards disallowed goals against opposing teams
....IT FEELS GOOD SEEING SAF CRYING ABOUT REAL MADRID ANTICS I HAVE A WORD OF ADVICE TO HIM.. WE LET ROBBEN GO !! HE AINT THAT INDESPENSIBLE!! BUT WITHOUT HIM UNITED CAN BE TOO AVERAGE..
227, The difference would defineetly be a world class winger/lef sided player
I would take any of : Quaresma, Bentley, Van Der Vaart or David Silva
If we are only allowed two choices:
DREAM PAIR: Kaka, Messi
REALISTIC PAIR: Aguero, Benzema
For me if we could get Aguero and Benzema for about £60m then success would surely just be around the corner. These two supplemented by Bosingwa, Van der Vaart and Quaresma as our other 'normal' buys would suit me perfectly.
KTBFFH
Just watched Portugal and they looked very good. Bosingwa looks a great buy, Paulo and Ricky defended well and Ronaldo didn't do much. Joao Moutinho looks very good as a potential 'no. 10' and could rival Van der Vaart for one of our midfield buys.
Bosingwa looks a more agile than I thought he was, but going forward he lost the ball a few times and never really did anything productive.
Well nice that Portugal wan. The Problem with Ronaldo is that because of the fame he is to much covered and has less space to do anything.
Bosingwa was good even though he didnt get forward too much he always made great tackles and is very quick, Hes quicker than both Paulo and Julliano and I rate him higher than Dani Alves whos gone to Barca for £23m, Horse Face was anonymous until the free kick, Moutinho would be a great buy also, KTBFFH
Thought Bosingwa looked a bit shaky starting off and lost the ball a few times in attack but he was quite pacy and did well in defense.
Every time Ronaldo had the ball you could almost sense that the ITV commentators were praying that he was going to beat every Turkish player and score.After one incident when he failed to control the ball,they said something like"He waved his magic wand and nearly put the ball under his spell"
What a load of bollocks.
Just found out Ronaldo had Man of the Match
Even bigger load of bollocks.
Ronaldo is the most overrated player ever and hes the reason why I want us to sign Quaresma so badly because he would show that CR7 is overrated and a big game bottler and RQ is very underrated and shines against top sides
Man of the Match? What a load of poo. He barely touched the ball until the free kick, The commentators were so pro-Ronaldo it was unbelievable and Gary Neville is a real fool and totally biased, Pepe was undoubtedly the MOTM
Thoughts on Portugal-Turkey
So, if the old rumors are to be believed, there is a good chance that Big Phil will become the new Chelsea manager. What would his side look like?
Well, we had a very good indication today, when about half of the Chelsea side played in that match. In fact, I felt that slotting the Chelsea players in to Scolari's 4-2-3-1 made a superior side.
Cech
Bosingwa Terry Carvalho Cole
Essien Lampard
J.Cole Ballack (Left winger to be named later)
Drogba
So, it seems rather unanimous that Bosingwa is a good buy. The guy looks quite solid in the back. Wasn't wonderful going forward, but wasn't a disaster by any means. That said, we all know what the pairing of Terry and Carvalho is like, and I'm sure everyone prefers Ashley Cole to Ferreira on the left. I still think we should keep Paulo- he can play both sides, and I think you'd have a hard time finding a better backup.
I like each and every one of our central midfielders over Portugal's- Essien, Mikel and Maka are all better than Petit, would anyone really want Moutinho over Lampard right now, and Deco isn't on form as an attacking midfielder, but Ballack is.
Our wingers leave something to be desired (I'm still sad about losing Robben- I think he'd fit very well in Scolari's scheme), but Drogba is clearly a step up from Nuno Gomes.
Do I think Chelsea would work with current personnel under Scolari? I do... but I wonder if that kind of attacking, box to box play will stand up over a full season. But it is clear that Big Phil is tactically savvy, and some of why Portugal plays the way they do is because they don't have consistent striking options. We do.
If Phil is down for the Chelsea cause, he could work- there is style, he wins (you just can't overrate that in a manager, it is a mentality that pervades everything they do), and he can make the sort of tactical substitutions that Grant, and TSO to a lesser degree (Robert Huth as striker anyone?), couldn't.
Is Chelsea about to cement its status as Portugal North?
On Ronaldo- I know it is fashionable to hate him. I know the commentators make it worse with their mellifluous praise. Over here in the US it is not as bad, as the commentators respect him but don't gush like they do in England.
Still, he played a good match. He was a cut above everyone else in skill (but not MOTM), created some fine chances, had a quality freekick. He didn't insist upon driving into traffic every time, and he looked far superior to Nani.
That's why I can't wait until he ends up in Madrid!
The MotM thing is hilarious. They always -- it's the same in the World Cup -- just give it to the most famous person on the winning team, unless there's no one particularly famous, in which case it goes to whoever scored. We could have fun guessing who will win before each match -- I bet Herr B will be MotM tonight against the Poles, as long as Germany win.
If C. Ronaldo continues to be as forgettable as that, I might even consider supporting Portugal again, for the love of Riccy.
This is from Reuters News,not sure how true it is.
MILAN (Reuters) - Chelsea have given AC Milan the green light to approach Didier Drogba about a possible transfer but they are not willing to sell back former player Andriy Shevchenko, the Serie A club's vice president said.
"Chelsea have authorised us to open negotiations with Drogba," Adriano Galliani said in an interview in Sunday's La Gazzetta dello Sport.
"Unfortunately, the response we feared came (for Shevchenko). Chelsea consider Andriy unsellable. This epilogue makes us very sad."
You've gotta wonder what's in the minds of our boardroom!
On a scale of 10, how would you guys rate Bosingwa against the likes of Daniel Alves and Phillip Lahm? Try comparing him with the other top right backs. I only saw the replays so i couldt tell much on our new right back. But i saw something that im most pleased about: PACE. LOL
@LYNN
It better not be true or i will absolutely slaughter those clowns. Why the heck keep Sheva when he clearly is struggling with us? For the good and interests of both parties, its not logical that he stays. But still its only a rumour eh?
Jang....
It'snothing to do with quality of the player involved.
Milan mugged us for 31million, and since Roman doesn't need the cash, I think he is well within his rights to tell them to Fuck Off when they want him back for nothing!
Personally, I think Sheva will be sold to anyone other than Milan that comes along and offers anything.
Horrible rumour in the Mail on Sunday today suggesting that Lamps will go, and Deco is coming in........ Hope that isn't true, or I will happily slaughter the 'clowns' too!
If Drogba is going,please don't sell him for stupid money.When we go after a player,his value nearly always doubles.Just look what Spuds paid for Dos Santos,we wouldn't have been able to sign him for nowhere near what they paid.
Just for once,please can we not cave in and end up looking like idiots.
Is it too much to ask that Kenyon actually does something to earn his enormous pay packet,rather than continue with his endless quest to make us a"Brand Name".
It would be really nice for us to play hardball for a change and not have other clubs treat us with contempt when we dare to sign one of their players.
LYNN & JANG
Agree totally. Why on earth would you happily sell our top scorer and keep someone like Sheva who's just happy to spend majority of his time bench warming? Answer: because he's Roman's blue-eyed boy and unfortunately there's f**k all we can do about it!!
I couldn't believe it when i heard it on SSN this morning. Alaso heard the news about Lamps and Deco. That had so better NOT happen!!!
What on earth is going on at CFC? Why haven't they sorted a bloody Manager out to do all the buying and selling of players? Anyone with half a brain would know not to put your 2 top scorers in the news as potential buys for other clubs! Would Liverpool do it with Torres? NO.. Would Man U do it with Ronaldo? NO..Would Arsenal do it with Adebayour? NO...So why oh why are they letting the likes of Peter Kenyon doing the negotiating?!
Can't we put HIM up for sale instead? Or just happily give the bald git to anyone that's willing to take him off our hands?
THE LUNATICS ARE RUNNING THE ASYLUM!!!!
We are being stubborn with Steve Sidwell it seems, so it could be a sign of change...
245- Greenlight
If we were really interested in Deco would'nt he already be here by now? We've had chances to get him in the past, and now that he's being told to get lost by Barca, he's talking about Chelsea wanting him.
243 - Jang
Bosingwa looked VERY quick. I know it's only one game, and probably his first major international 90 mins, but he didn't look too good going forward.
I just hope he doesn't turn out to be a Chimbonda - Quick, good defensively, will run up and down all day, good in the air, but won't ever pick out a player in the area.
There was a chance for him to cross a ball into the box in the first few minutes and he just drove it into the side netting and out of play.
Two or three times he was crowded out of posession when he was high up the pitch, and the team had to chase back.
Still, I'm probably just over-reacting.
Probably.
LTB
I'm willing to bet it'll be anyone BUT Ballack who gets MOTM tonight, whether Germany win OR lose!!
He plays for us, don't forget..he could potentially outshine everyone on the pitch but still won't get any recognition..
If he played for Man U however...
What do you think about Slaven Bilic?
He's young,charismatic and always searching for a victory...he also played in Premier League.
I am sad that we can't appoint HUghes anymore and I think the Board will just employ someone ...idiotic (my opinion) such as Mancini or Rijkaard. I don't like Scolari : he is maybe good for national teams but we don't know if he's good for the clubs...and he has really short fuse.
btw its fan of makelele called sarah...i accidently changed my name...
Roman Abramovich....... come on man.... are you sleeping???? see whats is published on "Telegraph.co.uk" - "Managerless Chelsea's transfer traffic this summer does not appear likely to be in one direction only"
come on.... find us a new manager before all your star players leave....
Jose is pulling our 3 stars.....
but Chelsea is the best, I am sure we will win EPL and CL this year ...
coz Blue is the color
Cheers to Chelsea!!!!
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I hope that Deschamps comes, or Zola :)
And I hope Mancini,Ancelotti and Rijkaard ...burn in hell ...
Magic JD, absolute magic. Glad to see the point of track record vs potential being raised here. Its an interesting left-field choice you propose as well, but in all honesty I can't see the club taking such a daring route...even though it has the potential of being our "Wenger" appointment as we spend a season with people, including many blue-clad ones, saying "Thomas who?". As Commander Data might say...'intriguing'.
Frankly after the JM/AG debacle of this season I'd not be unhappy with such an 'avant garde' choice. However if 'potential' is part of the ...ahem...succession planning ethos at Stamford Bridge (no, stop laughing, please) then I think, nay hope, that Laudrup would move to the top of the list now that Sparky has apparently taken the bait of the Baht. Such a criteria might also bring Deschamps back into the betting odds, and again I'd be happy with that - again the parallels with Wenger hove into view, French, professorial, good football theory, no PTR to speak of in terms of big trophies etc.
However, the Sodium Pentathol then kicks in and my true thoughts come to the fore about what WILL actually happen and I see the name Scolari being written across the sky by a cartoon murmuration of Starlings, because he won a World Cup once, at some distant time in the past, with a team of untouchable world class superstars. Anyone see what might be running through The Dear leaders Mind? Its the old Proven Track Record Numbskull Platoon (see Beezer's passim) invading and defeating the Czars Own Common Sense Numbskull Regiment currently occupying the disputed territory of Romans Brain. What we need is a pre-emptive strike by the several battalions of Future Potential Special Numbskull Forces to bolster the incumbents and defeat the knee jerk excesses of the invaders.
I must stop watching The History Channel.