Mexico, now without excuses

I really like Hugo Sanchez. I like the fact that he is playing alot of the experienced players with the young, up and comers. But the problem against Honduras was two fold. First Hugo put a very defensive team on the pitch. Where was Borghetti, Neri Castillo, Kikin? And then Cuahtemoc Blanco let his emotions get to him. Who cares if the Honduran defender was blowing kisses to him thoughout the first half, you don't elbow him in the penalty area. I also thought Costly from Honduras who plays in the Polish league was very good. Mexico needs to come out strong and beat Panama (a very good team, in my opinion) or Hugo will be gone.

Mexico stinks.
Never was a great team and its history in football is very poor.
USA will pass them very soon.
America has only 2 teams at the moment:
Argentina & Brazil, everybody else are average.
But Mexico is less then that. Located next to USA and with money (more then that Southamericans) yet no results.
They don't have it in theirselves. No talent.
can you imaging Argentina or Brazil sharing board with USA/
Who would stop them?
It's a cultural problem. Unless their goverment educate their people first... nothing will change.
The song remains the same.

Funny how betto talks about the economy of Mexico in correlation with soccer results and education. You have Brazil and Argentina developing great players and great teams and look at their economies. As a Mexican, I do feel the same way, US is now the superpower, demonstrating that poor teams are easy to defeat (as an example, the Gold Cup). The problem lies in the Mexican Soccer Federation. USA will be at Argentina's level pretty soon, take to account that they will do it as a collaborative effort, as a team, and not with individual members, like those that Argentina and Brazil have shining. Go USA (i live there), vamos Mexico (I was born there).

I agree with forzafutbol, Hugo is walking on thin ice, although I like him.

I never meant to hurt the mexican people.
Its their goverment who takes advantage.
Tthey don't want to educate their people because they will open their eyes and see the whole picture completely different.
How can you explain the progress in Canada more then Mexico?
Argentina and Brazil have individual talent and plenty.
They always did and will.
Their progress in life is also individual. Like Novel prizes, arts, sports, et cetera.
Bottom line Mexico leaders are not good mentors of their own people in any aspect.
America incorporates Englis football as part of their school program and we'll see the fruits 1 day.
Argentina and BRAZIL are just amazingly talent and in their culture there's a pride in what they are or do (I'm talking middle class, which they still have some)
I went to the ingeniering University in Bs As and lived down there about 11 years.

I think Betto is an idiot. Yes he is right that Mexico has an economic problem. But what does any of that have to to do with soccer. Futbol is futbol, football is football, and economics are economics. Neither have nothing to do with each other. Educating the mexican people isnt going to make them better soccer players. Mexico has talent. If you didnt see the World Cup, because obviously you didnt, mexico did really well and put up an amazing show against Argentina. I honestly thought that Mexico could have passed to the next level. Argentina pulled it off though. So get a life and stop trying to sound like you know what your talking about.

Well, if I'm an idiot to you because I lived in Europe, Southamerica, at the age of 15th I was a profetional athlete ranked in the sport of Tennis. I also have a degree in Ingeniering (grama is not my strengh-as you can see)
My father was a prof. footballer and my brother in law plays in the English league. Anyway I won't insult you James. My point is very simple: Economics, cultural and educational issues are involve in football. Mexico and many other countries ( Central America, Africa, South Asia ) don't have the right structure, history and talent to go and pass their social struggles.
There're few agains't the rule but overall I believe is a complex problem created by their goverments.
Like is said: "Denle pan y circo no libros"
Give them bread and circus no books"
Insulting people doesn't give you the right to say:
You are educated and have a life.
Books, languages, travel.

YO CREO QUE EL EQUIPO QUE FORMA HUGO SANCHEZ ES BUENO PERO ASTA AHORA NERI CASTILLO NO COMBENSE SO YO PONDRIA OSWALDO,RAFA MARQUES,SALCIDO,MORALES,MAGALLON
MEDINA,PAVEL.GUARDADO,JARED,BRAVO,BLANCO O BOFO

HAHA Betto you make me laugh! Its obvious you have something against Mexico, must be the sudaka in you. You talk a lot but dont show facts or figures. Lets go by parts: Mexico and soccer - We might not be in the same level as Brazil and Argentina but we are without a doubt the THIRD BEST TEAM IN AMERICA! Two steps behind Brazil, one behind Argentina. Figures? Since being invited to Copa America 16 years ago, Mexico has reached 2 FINALS and 2 THIRD PLACE'S. And this is playing in South America. We havent won Copa America yet in part due to CONMEBOLS PREFERENCE OF HAVING CONMEBOL TEAMS WINNING THEIR TOURNAMENT. COPA AMERICA COLOMBIA 2001 IS A CLEAR EXAMPLE.

Copa Libertadores is another clear example of the high level of soccer being practiced in Mexico. Mexican clubs every year reach if not semis, at least quaterfinals. Club Guadalajara, an all Mexican-player club eliminated boca jrs. and velez in the last two editions. I can easily say Mexico can play any Argentinian club or national team mano a mano. We are if not in the same level as Argentina, at least one step behind. In the past World Cup Mexico played magnificent against Argentina, we surely gave them a shit shock, we even took the game to overtime!! No que muy bueno argentino??? In 2005 in the confederation cup Mexico took Argetino to PENALTIES for a place in the final. 2004 Mexico DEFEATED argentina in Copa America Peru 2004.

Its obvious in the past few years Argentina has not been able to defeat Mexico in 90 minutes, but yet Mexico's "football is very poor" according to betto :D :D
Mexico and politics: No discussion here: Mexico is the GIANT IN LATIN AMERICA. Well, Mexico and Brasil. If viewed through the U.S. or Western Europe's eyes, of course many come to the conclusion that Mexico is in trouble, but that in itself is deceiving. Mexico compared to Latin America is YEARS AHEAD!!! Which in part explains why so many argentinians migrate to Mexico! It really suprises me to hear people say Mexicans are not educated, especially if coming from somebody who lived in argentina. Mexico is amongst the top economies in the world and as such needs not only a strong labor force but also a well educated one, I truly doubt the Mexican government wants to deny education to its people.

Can anybody name the top university in Latin America?
Universidad Nacional Autonoma de Mexico (UNAM)

5 TOP DEVELOPING COUNTRIES IN THE WORLD?
South Africa, China, India, Brasil and WHO? MEXICO
SEARCH FOR THE G8 PLUS 5!

Argentina might have been big in the past, but seem to struggle now days. CHILE is much better than argentina, even Uruguay. Mexico and Brasil way ahead!!!! Really cant understand why argentinians cant accept this reality

Hey David!
USA 2- Mexico 1
How many Nobels Mexico has?
0
America cup?
0
Argentina 26
Brazil 11
Please do me a favor; if your country is so great... why everybody is crossing into the USA?
Open your eyes buddy!
You must be joking.

A lot of Brazilian players grow up in miserable conditions and look at their team. Economics has nothing to do with it. One of the problems is that the mexican league imports too many foreign players instead of giving mexican players a chance to improve. And another problem is that the few mexican players that are talented enough to go play in Europe almost never take that chance because they're paid well in Mexico. Your point sounds more ignorant than the people you claim are ignorant. Have you noticed how amazingly uneducated some American athletes are but are amazing players? I bet you haven't.

I can't believe that people still think that Mexico is anywhere near Argentina or Brasil.There not even the best team in the CONCACAF.All in part to fact that they don't have many players in Europe.In contrast the U.S not Mexico is creaping up on Brasil and Argentina.

While the U.S. is a good team, Mexico still has better talent. Mexico's losses to the U.S. have been caused by psychological hurdles rather than physical ones. Mexico is a good team that could not find their rhythm during the gold cup and the U.S. will be considered the best team in CONCACAF when they consistently beat Mexico in Mexican territory and no, while Mexico always plays very well against Argentina, they are not close to having the talent that Argentina produces.

Please people, Mexico has not won anything at any international level outside of the Copa de Oro. And that is the CONCACAF which is full of countries who play more baseball (Central and Carribean), and Ice Hockey (Canada) than soccer.

Take them out of the Azteca Stadium (altitude advantage) and they compete but never win. They have young talent, a wonderful fan base but they have to win first and then try and throw their weight around. They’ve had 2 World Cups on their soil and could not get out of the 2nd round.

Hugo Sanchez gauranteed a win in Copa Oro, a team of gladiators he said. And then no stopping until the World Cup. Well, win quietly first and then be loud and boisterous. Now he just look like a bombastic, blow hard, sore loser.

Mexico is behind Columbia, Peru, Paraguay and Chile. Nowhere near Brasil, Argentina and Uruguay. Gotta walk first then run and then maybe...fly!

Mexico are 2-0 up against Brazil!

Really nice goals. I must say I'm impressed but let's not get excited just yet. Just ask Ecuador; Chile came back and beat them when I thought that Ecuador had that game in the bag. A couple of surprises on the Mexican side with JC Cacho and with Ochoa.

Well according to the Mexican media, there is a division in the dressing room. The Lavolpistas - Euro based players and the Mexican league players led by Jared and Oswaldo. Looks like they have brought some harmony and peace in the Copa America. I guess it helps that Pardo, Osorio and Salcido have gone on vacation.

What???? Mexico is behind Colombia, Peru, Paraguay and Chile?!?!?!?!?!? Im sorry but I wont accept this until I see some facts or figures. Last time I checked, none of these 4 mentioned teams has won A WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP IN ANY AGE LEVEL!!!!!! MEXICO WON THE U17 WC IN 2005 IN PERU. That itself puts us ahead of these 4 teams.
Second, has any of these teams reached the Copa America final in the last years 20 years, i dont think so. Colombia but that was because they were hosting, they choke every year. Mexico has played two finals Ecuador 93 and Colombia 01, and gotten two semis in 97 and 99, and all of this playing IN SOUTH AMERICA, not in Estadio Azteca! We night not be in the same level as Brazil or Argentina but in the last few years the two teams have stuggled with Mexico, especially Brasil, who has lost 5 of the last 8 games played against Mexico, and only won one.

Its time Southamericans accept that Mexico is the third best team in the continent! We dont have one of the best soccer leagues in America for nothing.

you can't judge a country by any sport...these teams represent their country in their respected sport only, football or soccer in the US, but they don't represent politics, economics, education, nor world status, just strictly futbol...!!
If that was the case, then think about the NBA, NFL, and MLB...drugs, criminal conduct, steroids, domestic violence, you name it, we got it in the USA. I was born and bred in the US but my parents are Mexican and I love both countries and cultures as my own. I am proud of it and I am torn between teams whenever they play each other. I don't judge an entire nation based on the performance of their futbol team. Let's stick strictly to the game...

Heckling can be fun so Betto, this is for you ( ) )//////////D

mexico just bet brazil what do think about the the mexico 2 brazil 0 is mexico better the brazil just look the score and mexico will do it again

mexico sub 17 beats brazil !!!!!!!!!!!! 3-0

It's funny to read that people think so highly of Mexico when their not even the CONCACAF champions, and the U.S. has won the last two Gold Cups.When Mexico Manager Sanchez decides to play the best
players instead of Blanco,or Borgetti and Mexicans go overseas to play tougher competion then and only then can they even be considered equal to the U.S. That's what I hope happens because I'm
Mexican but raised in the U.S.

It's funny when people think so highly of the U.S. when their "European" players spent a lot of time warming the bench. And everybody knows that the U.S. spends a lot of time overseas playing tough
competition!!

i think everyone needs to put theyre hatred beside and think futbol for a second. "argentina was good in the past" "mexico is better than argentina" bla blaa bla bullshit. mexico is not and has never
been at the same level as argentina. we proved it in your own world cup and we proved it again at the world cup. mexico has a big psychological effect over both argentina and brazil, always giving us
and them a hard time, but they cant beat anyone else. USA is better than mexico without a doubt, even though the US futbol is shit. mexico CAN NOT beat any other team besides argentina or brazil. BUT
when it comes to important matches (such as world cup matches or copa americas) who comes out on top? ARGENTINA or BRAZIL. PERIOD. the best teams in america. colombia is the third in my opinion,
while brazil and argentina are tied at first.

hahaha, "when it comes to important matches (such as world cup matches or copa americas) who comes out on top? ARGENTINA or BRAZIL." WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME argentina WON A WORLD CUP??? 21 YEARS AGO,
THEY HAVENT EVEN REACHED A FINAL RECENTLY. WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME ARGENTINA WON A COPA AMERICA? LIKE 15 YEARS AGO!!! ARGENTINA HAS DONE NOTHING IN THE LAST 18 YEARS, AND IF YOU'RE CONSIDERED A
POWERHOUSE LIKE ARGENTINA IS, THIS MEANS 18 YEARS OF FAILURES. EXPLAIN THAT. BRAZIL WILL ALWAYS BE THE TOP TEAM IN AMERICA!!!! ARGETINA AND BRAZIL ON TOP??? NO, ONLY BRAZIL!!!

I really don care what you all say about mexico and the national team all i know is that mexico beat 2-0 brasil and USA was defeated by argentina 4-1 i guess 20 days of practicing together wont make
you the best team ever but beating brazil hey i think mexico deserveds great respect and you cant say they were just lucky shots so if you got to say something about mexico you can kiss my mexican
ass by the way since 1999 brazil has only beat mexico once

Hey Gerardo! Or I should say Chicano! Mexico has more money then Arg. and Bra. because USA is their neighrbor and use their people for labor. And with that money they buy Argies and other players to
come and teach mexican aztecas how to treat a ball. Argentina's Boca Junior has beaten Brazil's Gremio to win the Libertadores in both matches and country's grounds. I agree with those who think that
Arg. and Bra. are the only 2 countries with tradition, history and trophies to compete with Europe. Mexico? Please! USA already past them. Just keep working for the American in their fields and
factories and shut up. But please; pay some taxes! Or ask your goverment to share your riches if you have any. Therefore you don't need to cross the border.

Argentina struggled with Mexico?! Were we watching the same game? Although there wasn't a dominance or the tranquility of having the game in hand, to go as far as saying they struggled with Mexico is
ludicrous. Argentina won that in the extra time, and had a disallowed goal right at the end of regulation that I still can't see the infraction. But I only have a TV feed and wasn't in Ger. Either
way, in the extra time Argentina controlled the tempo, scored a magnificent goal and won the game without needing PKs. You point out that Mexico won the U-17 in 2005. Bravo. Argentina has won the
last 2 U-20 and has won 5 in total (the most) since 1979. They also won the Olympic gold medal in 2004. Boca Jrs has won the Libertadores 4 times since 2000, an Argentine team has won that 21 times.
Also the most by any country's team. And in 2004 we came up short on PKs in CA final. Where was Mexico?

First of all, lets put this into context! Nobody here is saying Mexico is better than Argentina, well at least not me. I have said Mexico is one step behind Argentina or at their same level based in
the lastest games between both nations be it club or national level. The reason why I point out Mexico's merits in the last few years is to prove that Mexico is not some small team that happens to
win a game here or there like these sore argentinians want to picture Mexico. Xeneizeusa: you clearly say Mexico is below Colombia, Paraguay, Chile, and Peru but yet cant come up WITH FACTS AND
FIGURES to back this up. Its easy to say what you think or believe but when it comes to proving this, its another story. You say Mexico only wins in Aztec Stadium yet we defeated Brazil in Venezuela
and Argentina in Peru.

You say Argentina didnt struggle with Mexico, yet we took Argentina TO OVER TIME. IF GOING TO OVER TIME IS NOT A STRUGGLE THEN WHAT ON EARTH IS??? Did anybody see Maradona during the match...he was
sweating like a pig. TIPICO DEL ARGENTINO AGRANDARSE Y DEMIRITAR LO HECHO POR LOS DEMAS. MEXICO ES HOY POR HOY RESPETADO EN SUDAMERICA Y VISTO COMO LA MEJOR TERCERA SELECCION NACIONAL EN EL
CONTINENTE AMERICANO. NO LO DIGO YO, LO DICEN EN EL SUR BASADO EN EL FUTBOL DEMOSTRADO POR CLUBES Y SELECCIONES DE MEXICO. SI NO LO CREEN, POR FAVOR VENGAN AL FRENTE CON DATOS Y ARGUMENTOS SERIOS, Y
NO CON COMENTARIOS SIN FONDO O ESTUPIDECES, POR ALGO ESTAMOS AQUI, PARA HABLAR DE FUTBOL.

hey everyone, first at all thanks to betto you made someone to say that we aregentinean are arrogant, ha!!! and you are not even argentinean. lads Mexico is getting better that is obvious but is
still far away from the big countries which are only four: Brazil, Italy, Germany and Argentina, the rest come behind. It is tru Agentina has not reached the finals in the world cup in a long time
but they won the olimpics in 2004 the only trophy missing in Argentina's stands (Brazil doesn t have it) a country with 2 world cups 14 copa Americas dosent need to prove anything to you David,

just to be fair, this is Gerardo. betto, James was right when he said you're an idiot. Ok betto, so far you've managed to make it clear to everyone..YOU DON'T LIKE MEXICO...!! We get it..!! you claim
to be educated but you really fail to portray it in your blogs by showing your ignorance and resentment towards Mexico...what happened?? were you beat up as a kid by a bully from Mexico..?? You say
you've lived in Europe and Argentina, but you don't say where you were born...Are you even a latino.?! It doesn't matter because one thing that YOU ARE is an idiot. Keep hating on Mexico brotha and
we'll keep on winning..!! I just want to wish all the countries in the Copa America, good luck..!! I hold nothing against any latin american country, as a matter of fact I love them all..!! Boa
sorte, meus amigos..!! Vamos Argentina..!! y que VIVA MEXICO!!

I'm an American with Teutonic and Italian heritage. I went to the Univ. of Bs As for masters in Engin. That's not relevant. But Mexicans are lucky to be placed next to USA. Otherwise; forget it! In
their soil those related to the goverment make money and screw the rest, many come here to make it happen. They never gave any'ing important to human history and much less to soccer. It's true Argies
are a bit arrogants (bad) but at list they have something to back it up with. Mex? Please! Can you imaging Mex placed next to Peru? They would cross to Arg or Bra. USA already has the best athletes
and technology. It's just a matter of time. Mex host the cup 2x!! Bra & Arg won it! That's why I said poor countries, without culture, et cetera... will never be compared to the European teams.
Arg. and Bra. were and still have the potential to be part of 1st world. Mexico? No way Jose!

You're an American and your English is this bad? Saying that being a great footballing nation is related to how rich and educated that country's population is, is ridiculous. Look at Sweden, more
educated than most Americans and their team, while certainly a good team, are not anywhere close to Brasil and Argentina. As for Mexico, they're not a big team but they're not small either. Before
this Copa America I thought that Uruguay was better but after seeing them play the first two matches I am now reconsidering. I guess your hatred and your bigotry get the better of you but you're
human so it's understandable that you can't control your prejudices.

Hey Calderon! Look at yourself first! Sweden is better then Mexico! Any european team is better! Yes my English is not as good as many. I hire people to write my letters. But here is about football
nor grama. By the way; don't judge! I went to Goethe schoole in Bremen, primary in Jersey, high school in Milano and Bs As, then college. My father was a footballer and my brother in law plays in the
premier league of England. My sister is a journalist for BBC. What are you? A supreme court judge? Lets stick to football and what is about. Again: Haiti, Somalia, Sudan, Iran, Cuba, Mexico, et
cetera... they keep their people poor. Therefore no big progress in sports, arts, et cetera... Open your eyes, read and travel! Those goverments rob their people and blame it on America or first
world countries. Its call brain-wash you fool! If there're no facilities how they will grow?

What about poor countries like Nigeria and Cameroon where the poverty rate is high but have great footballers? Cuba doesn't have great footballers but look at their baseball players and their
gymnasts. They have great ones, you know. I'm not saying that there isn't poverty in Mexico because there is but that has very little to do with how great you are in football or sports in general.
Look at the black American athlete; the vast majority of them grow up extremely poor and with very little education but in sports they perform great.

I'd like to keep politics and poverty out of this. I don't think they have any bearing. In fact, I think enpoverished players make up the bulk of great Hispanic footballers (Central and South Amer).
Don't believe it, then read the biographies of what are inarguably the top 2 (I won't get into the argument of which is #1 and #2) footballers ever: Pele and Maradona. Both were dirt poor growing up.
My reply is for the request for facts and figures. My source is Wikipedia (LINK%C3%A9rica). Scroll down to the table general stats. The order of the table is points
won so the courtries with most appearances is listed showing Arg 353 - Urg 334 - Bra 302 as 1,2,3. The last column shows won/loss average and the list is then Arg 69.6% - Bra 62.5% - Urg 61.9%. I
don't think anyone disputes these 3's dominance in Latin Am soccer. Continued below...

... So we continue down the table and we see Paraguay, Chile, Peru, Columbia ... before getting to Mexico. But Mexico has much less games played since they weren't invited until 1993 participating 7
times. So now we look at the average on won/loss and Mexica is now below Honduras and USA. But I am not suggesting that based on these facts alone Mexico is below Honduras. Nor does it support that
Mexico is just under the big 3. Statistics alone does not give the whole picture. What would be needed here is more research of how all the teams compared during those 7 tornaments to get a clearer
picture of where statistically Mexico ranks with the nations of Columbia, Peru and Paraguay. Anyone want to assist in gathering and compiling this information ?

David, please calm down. I don't think that struggle is the correct word here. And I won't judge a teams performance and capabilities by the expressions of its fans in the stands, regardless of who
it is. Was it nerve racking? Hell Yes!!!!! I had no fingernails left, I chewed off my wifes and then proceeded to sink my teeth into a towel I had handy!! I think that's normal for a single
elimination game that is tied goin into the 2nd part of a second half. But a 'struggle' is what Brasil did yesterday with Chile. It could not find the collective way to threaten the opponents goal.
That was not the case in the 06 Mex - Arg game. But that aside, pointing to that one game as a reason to garner respect for Mexico does not cut it yet. Only a preponderance of championship points and
top 4 finishes will do that. First win a tournament, then boast. I'm talkin' to you Hugo Sanchez!

Calderon: Blacks are gifted athletes and all they need is an opportunity to get educated and progress. Then they'll performe equal or better then any other race. They could be born in Cuba or Africa
yet they'll need their chance to prove it. In their country they have nothing else to do, just to watch how their Leaders screw their future. My thing with Mexico is simply: They have the money, the
neighrbor (USA), the geographic strategy to be part of the 1st world but nothing. They can brag all they want but nothing on the books. I just don't like to see or listen to these mexican thinking or
comparing their selves to the power houses like Arg, Bra, Europe when they have nothing important in their records. They beat Bra twice, Arg. once or so. Big deal! Colombia back in '93 scored 5
against the Argies. So? What did they gain after? Xeneizeusa: Thxs for the info. Outstanding!

Betto is beyond IDIOT; to softly put. He is brain dead! It is best no one pays further attention to his blogs.

Betto, ive read your posting you sound like a idiotic fanboy to me jesus, Mexico is wayyyyy better team than USA, i live in california where it seems all the whiteboys hate soccer why? cause they
suck, here in the usa if you play soccer your called a wetback or a biener why is that? cause usa is not a team known for soccer, thats why they have baseball and football :), Yea brazil and
argentina clubs are good but they are not any better than mexicos, you see many mexicans go play at european clubs just like any other coutries maybe not as many as others, i mean look mexico beat
brazil 2 0!! we can defeat any team we just need to get out there and due are thing, Look out cause Mexico is coming on top of copa america, ohh and gold cuP?? that arbiter is an a hole and always
calls bs on mexico that game should have gone to extra time!

Look I don't know if any of you really know anything about soccer. But let me say this. Mexico played an excellent game against Argentina in Germany. But they lost. Now with Sanchez leading them.
They will not go very far. Sanchez is known for the 5 goals he made in Spain. But that was the peak of his career. With La Volpe Mexico played the best game in their history. Now for the U.S. they
don't have years, they have decades to go to measure up to the level of Argentina and Brazil and when Mexico get back up to the level they should be known for. The U.S. still will need a lot of
experience. I don't care if you have degrees for if you were a pro, if you have eyes and know something about soccer. You see that what I say is true. The best tallents to grace the soccer field were
Argentine and Brazilian Players. The only way U.S. has a chance to compete is to let the Women play their games

Damian footbal in the US has a great chance if they start doing what the NBA did for Basketball.....expose the inner city youths to the sport. I feel that once Football catches, if ever, in the Inner
Cities of the US - you will see some great players come out.

THERE'S A SIMPLE WORD TO DESCRIBE BETTO, FACIST! I agree, we should ignore anything said by BETTO, its obvious the guy is driven by steryotypes and generalizations instead of reason. Can he make it
any more clear that he's anti-Mexican? If you havent read is blogs, please do so, the things he writes are utter stupidity! For starters, he mixes football and economics all the time, which weakens
all his arguments, and second....HAS HE EVEN BEEN TO MEXICO? By the looks of it, I think not. Dont know what he has against Mexicans, and really dont care, but what thing is for sure when it comes to
world affairs, MEXICO IS CURRENTLY BETTER OFF THAN ARGENTINA. THATS WHY THERE'S THOUSANDS OF ARGENTINIANS LIVING IN MEXICO! MEXICO'S ECONOMY ALSO DIDNT CRASH IN 2001. ECONOMIC CRASH, DOESNT REALLY
SOUND LIKE FIRST WORLD STATUS TO ME....

Argentineans living in Mexico??? Why is this even turning into a Political - who's country is poorer topic. Man grow the phuck up

To all those who are insulting me (mexicans who left their home land to have a better life in USA) stop dreaming about your Mexico. There's no talent, culture (unless aztecas and mayas who killed
theirselves and vanished) or anything in Mex to compare with real, organized and civilized countries. Soccer? Mex will never make it to the top. Perhaps win a match or so. That's about it. Its a
fact: they host 2 world cups and who won it? Bra. and Arg. USA is already better then Mex and is probed on facts, nor words: Women: No contest; better looking and better athletes. Men: Last 2 Gold
cups!!! In less then 2 decades USA will be top 5 and Mex will remain the same; nothing.

Hey mexicans! Remember? Bra and Arg are the best. Mexico: Embarasing! Please educate and feed your people first then try some sports. Perhaps Lacrosse because in soccer you stink! Gold cup loose in
the finals against an inexperienced USA team America cup the "ole" "ole" was pathetic. Even your players are week, slow and small. Again, your goverment doesn't have a system to create great
athletes. They are busy eating tthe cake without shareing with their people. That's why they cross the border. Wake up Mexico!, your worst enemy is at home: Your own leaders.

okay frirst of all, mexico is one of the best players in all of the world. whatever people say, they know that nobody can compare to mexico's forwards: nery castillo [amazing!] and we also have
amazazazingggggg backups: el Bofo, & cuahtehmoc blanco. so whatever people say, just look at mexico's stats: oswaldo sanchez [mexico's satrting goalie] was the best goalie in all of latino
america. ALL of it!! there...obviously he beat Abbondanzzeire & whoever brazil's goalie is. look at rafa marquez: he is even better at soccer in europe than your argentinians! who is lionel messi
teamate? exactly. rafa marquez is. and hes way better too. so before anybody critizes mexco: they have amazing players. and thats a fact. THATS WHY WE BEAT BRAZIL, 2-0, baby!!! in your face... if
brazil was better than us, THEY WOULDA BEAT US :]

I'm sorry, but I have to say thsi. The guy above me, owldo_sncz, sure knows what he's talking about (SARCASM). Mexico is one of the best players in all of the world. You mean Mexico is one of the
best TEAMS in all of the world. Go to school and learn how to spell and talk, then come back, kid.

Mexico - 3rd place in Copa America, 2nd Place in CONCACAF. so far so good......lets see how it keeps playing out

Ok- I see that "betto"is starting some useless shit up in here so let me try to get him to understand some things. First of all, Mexico's soccer team is neither embarrasing or humiliating - in fact,
they have better themselves a lot more and have gained respect WORLDWIDE when USA is still to gain that. So they have shown they are better than Mexico - want to know why? There is no stability -
Mexico has no defined way of playing because they always change the teammates & coaches. USA have won these last 2 times in the Era of Hugo Sanchez for 2 reasons: 1) Hugo just started coaching,
it takes time to get your team in sync and bond in the field; 2) Mexico is doing the USA a huge favor by giving them some respect in the soccer world. USA is laughable when it comes to the national
team as well as their league. Want proof? Copa America - last place. League? the IFFHS marks them WAY below

The IFFHS writes this down on their website when it comes to the USA's MLS league. "The Mexican Primera División has further developed as the 3rd strongest league in Latin America. The Major League
Soccer (USA) is not as strong as in the first years following its foundation. " As for the MLS current position is at #84 while Mexico's League is at #5, over the top of Italy's Calcio and the French
League. So, "betto" you can eat shit and talk shit about Mexico - no disrespect to you - but learn of what you're saying before you start making ignorant comments about Mexico. And, Yes, Please make
Mexico's government help their people, PLEASE HELP US! We are all coming to the United States so we can survive......... all of us Mexicans are poor, ignorant, less-educated, without morals and
dignity to work for the best. Please, if the government helps us, WE will SO get MUCH better at soccer. =)

USA is just getting started... again, because they had quit years ago with the North American Soccer League (NASL) and they are doing the same thing they did back then. At the time that the NASL
lived, they brought in the best players from Europe and Latin America to play in it's league because no one followed soccer in this country. Now that there are some fan base, MOSTLY coming from a
Latin American Background, they want to exploit the soccer world again and bring in the best from Europe and Latin America - again! You bring Juan Pablo Angel, Cuauhtemoc Blanco, Barros Schelotto,
David Beckham, Carlos Pavon, Wanchope, Figo, and many more. Before, we had Stoichkov, Lotthar Mathaus, Hugo Sanchez, Luis Hernandez, Carlos Hermosillo, Jorge Campos, Eduardo Hurtado, and many more.
You know what else? Only 13 teams are on this league - and many have disappeared? Hmm.. why?

WOW! JLuiS is right. I'm also an American, but when it comes down to America's national and league teams, it's COMPLETELY laughable. I mean, why do you think they had to bring in Angel, Blanco,
Beckham, Wanchope, etc? To better the league and make people like it. Face the facts, "betto", America's football or "soccer", as most people like to call it, can't do shit without the help of big
name stars, such as Beckham, Blanco, etc. The Mexican league, does NOT need to do that. That's why Mexico is a better team, than the US. Chew on that.

Well, the Mexican league does not bring the big shots, career-almost-over, overpaid players into their league - they MAKE the players and become more valuable thanks to the leauge. Yes,there are a
lot of foreigners playing in the Mexican League, that includes people from Uruguay, Paraguay, Brazil, Argentina, Peru, Colombia, Ecuador - even African & European countries like Zambia, Cameroon
and Yugoslavia, Italy AND Germany. That shows that Mexico has grown thanks to the diverse challenges that they face in their league with players from all over the world. If it was for the money,
yeah, then United States takes the cake but you know what? It's about respect and honor - Mexico's league has MORE respect and it is more recognizable than the MLS. The MLS just copied off every
league in the world - they have yet to earn respect worldwide.

Yes. He's right. Why do you think EVERY league across the other zones criticize the MLS? Because the MLS is a wannabe league. It brings in the good players and has the money, but what do they do with
those players and the money? They try to make it like other confederations. Mostly, UEFA because it's the best one. For example, the Superliga. The people of the MLS say it's supposed to be like the
UEFA Champions League. OH MY GOD! There's my proof right there! "Supposed to be like the UEFA Champions League"? COPYCATS and WANNABES. That's why I like the European, Mexican, Sout American, and
even the Asain leagues, better than the MLS. HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

For the love of God, what is with all this nationalistic pissing contest crap? JLuis, you makes some valid points and attempt to back them up with references, and that is good, but then you get
completely myopic and fail to see the similarities (even when you mention them yourself) or just plain old absurd comments. Befofre I go any further, understand that I am not making a personal attack
just pointing out some things you may want to be a little more open-minded about. You mention the foreign players in Mexico in contrast to the MLS. Why do you think the Mexican teams bring them in?
To improve their teams and the quality of play throughout the league. Hmm, that's not a bad thing, so I guess it isn't wrong for the MLS to do that as well. Why do you think the foreign players sign
with Mexican teams? To be paid more money than they were making in their own countries.

That sounds like plain old economics and good business sense for the players. It must be the reason that the MLS attracks foreign based players as well. Now granted, the players brought into the MLS
and Mexican leagues should be carefully chosen as no one wants to see a foreign player lolly gag around the pitch, a la Lothar Mattheus. Stop being afraid of the narrowing gap between the two
countries and leagues and embrace it. Competition is a good thing. Now I could, also, end this by singing "We are the Champions" but I won't 'cause then we would just start the hating all over again.
Personally, I can't wait until Sept 9th for the Amistoso in La Azteca. Peace and I'm gone.

Wait wait... come back la pared. Quite interesting points - although you forget it isn't about national pride, it's about where Mexico is getting what they were due. You forget that the United
States' MLS is just starting and Mexico's league has been there for quite a while. Hell, I know Mexico's league or team isn't in the best shape, but that's like a fat kid who wants to be lean and
muscular - you got to work hard and it takes time for it to happen. United States has been making a huge impact against Mexico ONLY. Mexico isn't about CONCACAF anymore; they're about WORLDWIDE
recognition. United States is yet to make an impact like that. The USA soccer team IS getting better, don't get me wrong, and I support competition because, quite frankly, Mexico was getting bored to
beat the same teams over and over by a score of 3 or more. So, chant "We Are The Champions" because we already did

By no means have I forgotten that the MLS is still a fledgling league with lots of continued improvement needed and I am well aware that Mexico's league has been around for a long time. I have a
friend that played for Cruz Azul prior to the '94 World Cup because there wasn't a professional league here in the US. Now with all that being said, we had an embarrassing run at the Copa America and
wish that we had sent a more competetive team to play there and yes, the '06 World Cup was another set back internationally for the US, especially after the form they had in qualifying. Do I need to
mention the scorelines against Mexico? It isn't that the US doesn't want to be respected at the international level, but just like Mexico we have had to learn to dominate in our own region first and
then we can look to step up. I am hoping htat the US schedules more away games for that reason alone.

Well, if you think about it, that's really a good idea- the US is another field to play soccer in and , why not make a league here? Makes perfect sense, since their money value is far more than any
Latin American country (if you want to go with Economics) and the US is becoming the GIANT OF CONCACAF (if you go for the respect & honor option). But, to Mexico, that's even more of a big
benefit. Mexico has been growing so why not bring our big ol' pal along the way? When Mexico comes to the United States to play a game, whether is friendly or competition-wise, the stadiums get
FILLED, and the money just keeps flowing thanks to the paisas from Mex and other Latin-American countries. USA's main concern has been money, so why not make a RESPECTABLE US team? Bring in the
players that other league's might not look at as well as make their own players.

JLuis don't think that I believe the US is the Giant of CONCACAF. What I said is that the US first has to learn to dominate in their own region first before tackling the notion of international
respect. Yes, the stadiums do get filled when the Mexican seleccion or club teams do play here. I have been to the LA Coloseum to watch games such as Mexico v Argentina and Boca Jrs v Chivas, so I
know firsthand the amount of people that go to the games. In time, as the fan base grows, the same will happen for the home products as well. As for the US and Mexico paling around together, I am
sure you have heard the talk of the MLS and the Mexican league doing more and more together, possibly even admitting teams into each others leagues. It's always great to have rivalries to push you to
the next level and because the US has become more RESPECTABLE, that's the reason the rivalry is growing.

Oh no - I didn't say that you said that US is the Giant of the Concacaf - it's just a phrase thrown around for the team that dominates the CONCACAF region. I said it because USA is at the top of
their game while Mexico has their team at the shop for repairs. When it comes to the MLS and Liga Mexicana - Yes, they are making money because they BOTH benefit from one another: Mexico's
respectable league for USA's money. It has become a give-and-give association between us both.

I understand that american soccer fans want to belong to the world football scene. any chance the fans get they brag about their conquests and victories on the field. what i noticed is alot of
american fans dont know much about football for this reason, they are soccer snobs, they only mainly follow english football and thats it, many americans dont even follow the MLS. So how can any of
them honestly make a reasonble argument about mexican futbol. majority of true football fans dont need references, why cus they already lived in those moments. This is getting old! You go on FSC
chats, nothing but stupid morons trying to talk about football. You want to be a real fanatico? live it! every chance u get watch it! read books and mags about it. play it! get over Mexico! forget
all the political BULLSH*t that has surrounded it. Quit thinking every mexican is a US soccer hater!

I know about the whole Bin laden incident at the olympic game, it was only a minority of mexican morons who were chanting that, NOT the whole mexican fan base there at the game. the stories about US
players dodging piss bombs and objects from the crowds, that too is a minority of fans, look at football culture around the world opposing players have been shot at, pelted by bottles,rocks,piss
bags, animal blood and parts, cell phones the list can go on, some quit crying about that happening, look at argentine and brasil for example people get killed over it! Hooliganism is part of the
game. i have been to US/Mexico games, i have heard racist things being said, i have seen things thrown, does that make every US fan a racist and hooligan. No! Yeah I took a tour of Aztec stad, there
are restrooms in the lockers, Donovan pissed on sacred ground on purpose!

MEXICO IS A DISASTER AT THIS POINT ENTERING THE 2010 QUALIFYING GAMES,WATCH OUT FOR HONDURAS, CANADA, AND THE REST OF CENTRAL AMERICAN TEAMS!!!...