More Indiscipline From Ronaldinho
Saturday, 12 July 08, 03:51 AM · Comments (49)
Ronaldinho has decided that he will not be in Barcelona on Monday when the first team players are supposed to undergo a medical and fitness test. Instead he is staying in Brazil to prepare for the Olympic games despite the fact that Barça have refused to give him permission. This will probably lead to the club imposing a fine on the player.
While I can understand Ronaldinho's desire to play in the olympics and I can also understand that as Pep Guardiola has declared that he does not include the Brazilian in his plans Ronaldinho may feel there is no point in turning up on Monday. However, Ronaldinho is still a Barça player and he is still being paid an enormous amount of money by the club. He needs to realise this and get his arse on a plane to Barcelona. Unfortunately the player seems to not give a damn anymore about Barça or about his image. Could it be that he might miss out on a party or two if he were to come?
I know I have a lot of readers who adore Ronaldinho, believe me I also adored him (I'm sure there are not many heterosexual men of my age that cut photos out of newspapers of other men to stick on their fridge and I only ever did this with Ronnie). Nevertheless this is just another in a long series of 'infidelities' that have meant a slow painful end to my love affair.
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Well, maybe the olympic games can help him get back to his best.
Who knows?
Barca should let him go!!!
Ok. I agree that Barca is paying him a lot money but the money he brought in for the club will never compare . I believe Barca used ronnie to get their club back into to shape than try to used henry as an added boost but henry couldnt deliver. And in the 2007 season barca lost their tittle based on goals scored not points, they did lead the league most of the season, than the owner and rijkard acquired Henry and bench Ronnie and thats why I think the team desolve. They got henry and whoever esle they bought so Ronnie should focus on his next club and most importantly his Country. Basicly the Club is moving foward so should Ronnie.
it doesnt matter what happened in the past to ronaldinho....hes leaving the club and guardiola doesnt need him but for now he is still a barca player so if they want him to go to training with the team than he has to...it doesnt even matter if all the barca players spit in his face every morning during training, he is still a a barca player and its his job
All of you who are supporting R10 still are under the idea that he still cares about us, and his form. He knows that this is going to encourage the club to sell him for less, and AC Milan knows this information too, so because of it, we're going to ultimately get loss money for the bloke. I LOVED R10, but this is ridiculous, he needs to leave before his venom infects the rest of the locker room like last year.
and don't blame henry for this, rijkaard benched ronnie because he played poorly, not because henry was supposed to replace him.
Can't he just hurry up and move to a different club i don't care who you are uless you are joan gamper you can hit the road no-one i mean NO ONE is bigger than a club (unless you are raul or christiano ronaldo maybe)
you are right, NO ONE is larger than the club, NO ONE. Ronaldinho has stopped giving a crap about himself and his responsibility to the Club. Honestly, no one is going to change this unless he wants, and there is no sign him letting up.
As a club, they need to keep him out of the locker room regardless of the cost so he does not infect the players who want to continue the great tradition that is Blaugrana. On the far outside chance that he comes to his senses (doubtful but possible) Barça can use a touch of his Brazilian magic, but I really think that boy has lost touch with reality.
The love affair of FC Barcelona and Ronaldinho, is upon us, quite frankly, he doesn't give a sh*t about Barca any more and therefore it would be best if he would just leave and when he does, the locker room can become more peaceful.
Dinho's fame has reached he's head and thinks that he is king of the world but he ain't and the sooner he realises this the better for him.
Dinho thanks for everything that you've done for Barca, but it's time i think you leave...
GET OUT GET OUT GET OUT GET OUT GET OUT GET OUT GET OUT GET OUT GET OUT GET OUT GET OUT GET OUT GET OUT GET OUT
i read an article online somewhere today regarding the transition players have made from pawn to king in terms of negotiating their way out of a club or contract and the power the big stars now have over their respective clubs and i can't help but feel ronaldinho has probably orchestrated his departure from barca right from the start - why would a player of his (proven) calibre play at that low-key affair in beijing where football normally takes a back seat...ronaldinho should be disciplined heavily for his actions - maybe he'd like a stint at barca atletic until his contract runs out? he has got away with too much so far and while we're on the subject messi should reconsider the olympics also...
Hey this is totally not necessary from Ronaldinh. Sell him as soon as possible, this is enough. He has done a lot of things for the club, but its lunacy to keep him at the club, pay him such a lot of money and he still feels he is bigger than the club! Really, he should be sold to Manchester City, thats where he deserves to go. I really wish he d be sold to city rather than Milan, only then would he be brought back to his senses! Really, enough is enough. This guy needs to go.
Hey this is totally not necessary from Ronaldinh. Sell him as soon as possible, this is enough. He has done a lot of things for the club, but its lunacy to keep him at the club, pay him such a lot of money and he still feels he is bigger than the club! Really, he should be sold to Manchester City, thats where he deserves to go. I really wish he d be sold to city rather than Milan, only then would he be brought back to his senses! Really, enough is enough. This guy needs to go.
to me it seems like the Ronnie vs. Barca conflict is a big complicated mess... i won't attempt to understand it nor will i take sides. its just sad knowing that R10 at his best in a Barca shirt is just a memory now
you all need to check out this link from goal.com
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The link accusses barca for Ronaldhino currents situation both with weight & fitness and was stated by Brazils fitness coach Paixao.I personally beleive Barca is to blame and not Ronaldhino.I wish him all the best in the olympics and you all need to remember that after Ronaldhino has left barca he will always be a Brazillian.Hence if he chooses his country over his club i see nothing wrong with that,especially after Pep made it publicly clear that he is not in his plans.I personally want him to move on at the end of this transfer season to a club who will appreciate him
He was the attacking master in the 04/05 and 05/06 seasons. Entertaining, effective and unstoppable. Just brilliant.
Now he's just a fat cunt.
Apparently Milan have agreed a deal with R10 for 15mil.
Im gettin sick of the way some people treat Ronaldinho as if hes nothing. Show some respect. He was a master in 04/05 05/06. Had 2 seasons out of form due to injuries/personal differences etc..
But some of you are forgetting what he did for this club and what he along with other players are partially responsible for what Barcelona is today.
If Barcelona is to blame for Ronaldinho's fitness and wellbeing, blame it on Rijkaard. What he did was institute a system whereby the players were responsible for themselves. Things like showing up for training, or for treatment if injured, that was the players' job not Rijkaard. He wasn't into babysitting players and felt they were adults so they should be treated like adults. Well, apparently it seems that some players have been superstars so long they really haven't needed to act like an adult. Maybe Ronaldinho falls into this category? A nice kid, certainly, but an ... adult? Hmm.
rafael_dias --- i think every1 remembers how ronaldinho was during his two good seasons and all barca fans respect him for that....but when he starts acting like a baby, how long do u expect fans to continue to respect him in the same way that they did? he has to show some respect to the club also....by going to training on monday......he is the professional, not the fans, so he has to set the example...it doesnt really matter if the fans respect him or not, i bet u the barca players respect him and he plays with them so he cant just choose to not come to training because thats kind of not showing respect to the other players, hes not better than any one of them, the olympics arent required
Ronnie made Barca the club it is now face it, it wasn't Messi, Eto'o it was R10 2 seasons a go he touched a ball it was magic but this season sure he's lost form but he still da best and he always will be!!!!!
arsenalblog - lol!
ronnie 4 life - barca pay his wages - not his country!
i do agree though that barca was built around ronaldinho when he came and that led to the champions league victory but he is a grown man and has made his bed now...it's a pity barca fans will now have good AND bad memories of him when he eventually leaves...(hope he stays though - jesus - i don't know what i want!)...
Yes, I know how you feel, barcaman. Ronnie was amazing and I felt so thankful that he was playing with the Blaugrana. In 04/05 and 05/06 he was spectacular and, critically, always smiling, such a rare thing to see among players. Always trying to lift the spirits of his mates too. Remember his 'back' pass against Osasuna that got Giuly through for a goal in the box? Amazing stuff and by the bushel. But that was then, this is now. Sadly, Ronaldinho hasn't been that way since after the World Cup. Something went out of him then and never came back. But it's water under the bridge now, and if he wants to leave, I say agree a fee with AC Milan and be done with it. I'd rather see Ronaldinho shine again with a new club, then rot in Barcelona.
Someone please tell me what Ronaldinho was doing wrong before the Olympics situation? Why is Ronnie being veiwed as bad? I need facts!!! There are other players who performed bad during their season and so much pressure wasn't on them. I want to know what Ronnie was doing or wasn't doing facts please. Because i am reading everyone article and U all semm to know your stuff
Barcelona could have gotten rid of Ronaldinho long time ago............its just that they need another club (with exceptional optimism) to come in and buy him from their hands. Managers, you can give the boot, but with players, its a bit trickier.
Lansky
Ronaldinho never took his form and fitness seriously. Your skills stay with you but they are heavily deprived if your body is not fit enough to pull them all off with finesse.
Dont get me wrong. Although Ronaldinho has lost his speed, he still has the most exquisite of touches I have seen on a player. He controls a pass like he is playing with a foam ball.....its ridiculous.
This youtube vid will show you whats going on with ronaldinho. It was a friendly between his team and Messi's team. Ronaldinho performed really well (goals and assists) but look at him when he is about to take a free kick.................lives up to the name "little Ronaldo" eh?
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He is just dishing back what's been dished his way by Pep Gardiola. I told you before that he was arrogant. I can easily see him getting more players upset as the season progresses. Watch and see!
The moment he came out with that "stupid" announcement that Ronnie and Eto'o were not part of his plans, I knew that this would not end well. Great coaches also have great "soft" skills. Even if he doesn't plan on fielding them, he should allow them to walk with their heads up and leave with dignity. Afterall, they are professionals granted but humans first!!!
Stay, where you are Ronnie. Go to the Olympics and show them all how ridiculous they are for treating you the way they have!!!
Salam!!!
oh my god! He has become sooooo fat, oh my god, really. Wow, his touch and his skill is still unsurpassed, but wow, he surely has gained weight.
Nic,
For once Nic, I do not even agree with the title of the commentary: "More Indisciple from Ronaldinho". It is a great stimulator of conversation, which I am sure is what you are after but it almost sounds as though there's no way Ronnie can be right about the decisions he makes regarding his relationship with the club. We all have to keep in mind that he is privy to more information about his future and the real nature of his relationship with the club than any of us. Since this is a democratic forum, I hereby formally voice what I am beginning to perceive as a clear bias against the man, although I read your disclaimer about your former, should I say, respect for him!!!
at the moment, he is not respecting the club so nobody should respect him...it doesnt matter what he did for the club, xavi and puyol have done more, those two amazing seasons r all over now, he needs to perform now cuz the past means nothing........it takes time to lose weight and barca was patient for him for two seasons, how much longer do we have to wait for him to be back to his best and lose 100 pounds?
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What are you going to do if they want you to report for training when your 'not part of my plans?'
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Just because a clerk at a big company isnt part of a big plan, doesnt mean he doesnt come to work. He is getting paid to do so...
So, as long as Ronnie is getting paid, ie as long as Barca pays his wages, whether he isnt part of these "plans" or not, he should be there.
Ok. I’ve had enough of this! But I just can’t make a short comment, cause I feel like there is so many things to be made clear. So, my dear Barca and Barca-wannabe fans, reading this will require some patience (and time). I've read all these comments on the subject of Ronaldinho. Honestly, I'm sick and tired of hearing people calling names one of the best football players (IMO THE BEST) ever to walk on the face of this planet. Cause if what R10 showed during seasons 04-05 an 05/06 you guys don't consider an out of this world performance, then the lot of you should really start worrying about your football knowledge. Players like R10 show up for once in a 50 or even a 100 yrs time. Am I exaggerating a bit? Let's see! The things he did in football not so long ago amazed most of the professional footballers today. They will never have the knowledge to do the flip-flops like R10 did. Or free kicks. Or over-head shots. For God sakes did anyone of you ever saw a player score a goal like R10 did with his over-head kick against Villareal (primera) or the free-kick against W.Bremen (CL). Oh, that one is something special, a brilliant move, one of the coolest (and bravest) free-kicks ever. Yes, I'm talking about THE free-kick, when he waited for opposition to jump (hey everyone was expecting a shot over the wall, even the cameraman was taken by surprise, so you can't see the ball on front camera in most clips) and then coolly placed the ball inside the net by shooting "under" (???) the wall. Does anyone even realize how hard that is? I mean you have like 2-3 seconds to shoot the ball under the wall when players jump. If that isn't pure brilliance shown by R10 I don't know what is. Not to mention that goal against Chelsea when he was surrounded by 4 players and still he found (only God knows how??) the gap and without moving he fired a long curve ball which took everyone by surprise and finished inside the net with a confused look on Cech’s (and everybody else’s) face.
Tell me, guys did you ever see anything like that? Or the brilliant above mentioned overhead (scissors) kick against Villareal. Oh, I almost forgot that incredible goal against Valencia when Barca won 2-0 (or 2-1 not so sure, it was a long time ago ) at Mestalla. R10 was again surrounded by opposition but showed his brilliance when he fired a shot with such power and precision no keeper in the world would be able to stop that. And how could anybody forget his free-kick in the Brasillian side against England in WC2002 when he chipped Seaman (yeah, I know he wasn’t a Barca player yet, so what?) :-p At first, when I saw that goal I couldn’t believe he even meant to shoot directly on goal. I was like “oh it was just a fluke goal, he didn’t mean to do that, it was just a cross that somehow finished inside the net”. But when I saw what R10 is really capable of…then I changed my mind. I even started to believe in that famous Nike commercial when he shot the bar 4 times in a row in training. I know a lot of you believe it’s fake, but I believe R10 was touched by God or something. And I am an atheist! So, after a long consideration of all his outstanding goals and moves I believe I wasn't exaggerating! And yes, I agree Messi is new Maradona (IMO R10 is better even than the “little green one”, but that’s just my opinion, so who cares :-p) and he is an extraordinary player, one of the best in the world. Maybe even the best, judging by the current form. But the things R10 did, even when he wasn't in form, are nothing less then MAGIC, even impossible moves. The best thing about him IMO was that he was (and hope still is) so unpredictable, you could never guess what he's about to do next. Such creativity and vision was never before seen on football pitch IMO! But everyone was thrilled with his moves while he was in form. It was beautiful to watch him as he was also efficient. And that’s what the fans want.
I agree, scoring is the most important thing in football. People prefer to see even the ugliest goals than a lot of attractive moves without scoring. Would anybody talk about Messi’s remake of Maradona goal against England if that ball against Getafe didn’t find it’s way to the back of the net? Yeah, they would. But it wouldn’t BE a remake of that goal, it would just be an attempt. And it would be forgotten fast. People remember goals more often than flip-flops, back-heels, one-twos or other attractive moves, but if they were scored in attractive way, then they remember them for as long as they live! And that is why most people abandoned R10. He stopped being efficient. He couldn’t score anymore, his brilliant passes couldn’t find their way to his team-mates. Well, football is a team sport, you can’t just expect one player to do the job. What I believe is that Rijkaard was the key reason behind Barca’s poor results. Do not accuse R10 of bad form, the whole team was playing poorly in the last 2 seasons. Ok, he was late for trainings, he partied a lot. What do you think was the real reason for that? He forgot how to play? He didn’t care about Barca anymore? Hah! You must be joking! The man lost motivation. The reason? He lost confidence in his manager’s ability! And when a player loses confidence in his manager then things start to go down. On professional and personal levels also. Football players always need a challenge as long as they are active. So, when Rijkaard lost his ability and motivation (which I believe happened the moment after he got hold on that CL trophy in 2006) the team started to play badly. Not just R10, but the whole team. IMO Rijkaard is the one who lost his motivation (the man did win everything in just two years time) and with constant pressure over his head by Laporta and the board, it’s not at all strange that he wasn’t the right man for the job anymore. In teams such as Barca you are expected to get the results at all times.
No excuses! When Rijkaard wasn’t able to do it anymore they replaced him. I support that decision, although I have a very good opinion of Rijkaard. But he got sloppy and paid the price. He was the one who is responsible for results but also for motivating players. If he could have maintained discipline, no one would talk about R10 the way they do today. So, the young and talented (so they say….well, I’ll give him a chance to prove it) Barca’s legendary midfielder Guardiola was brought to “A” team from the reserves to reunite all Barca fans and to lift the team spirit and win trophies for the best club in the world. But the shame is that the man who is responsible for bringing Rijkaard as well as Guardiola didn’t respect new head-coach wishes, and let Ronaldinho stay. As I remember, in an article published on www.goal.com Guardiola said that he has a very high opinion of R10 and would like him to be a part of the team. So, why is Ronaldinho so keen to leave Barca? Cause of Laporta, the man responsible for everything. I don’t like what Barca has become. I’m furious actually. It’s just like at “Chelsky”. If Abramovich says “I want this or that player” there is no talk about it. Hey, he doesn’t want Lampard to stay (???) anymore and so he won’t. His days are numbered, I’m certain! I have the feeling the same is happening at Barca now. Laporta said Ronaldinho must go and so he will. It is obvious that the two of them can’t be in the same room anymore. Barca fans figured that out and they showed their support to R10 when they voted against Laporta. I’m just disappointed that number wasn’t 66,66% at least. If that had happened I’m 99’99% sure we would see R10 in our favorite shirt once again! As for him missing the training in the opening of the season, well he should have behaved more professionally regarding this matter. But would you come to your job when all your colleagues are present if you suspected you are going to be fired in front of all of them.
Wouldn’t you rather show up later when no one is around and discuss this matter with your boss face to face? I know I would!
P.S. This is the end of my letter, thank you for your attention and sorry for my bad English at times. It's not my mother tongue at all :-)
BARCA.... MES QUE UN CLUB!
mes que un club, i like ur commitment with that post, but frankly it has some good pts but a whole lot of shit too. no one forgets how amazing he was and most know (including me) he was the best player to grace the pitch in decades. but firstly ur examples are so meaningless, sure the bicycle kick goal was great but many people have done that. and under the free kick? that shows ur limited time as a barca fan (which is suspect is due to R10). rivaldo did that for the first time in about 99 or 98. and the david seaman goal was a fluke. his amazingness came from just watching his everygame brilliance, a pass, a little trick.
and how can u excuse his behavior on losing faith on rijkaard??? u think its acceptable for players to think, "ok my manager is bad now, whatever, who cares about the team...im just goign to go out everynight and get drunk, get fat, come to about 20% of trainings, and play like absolute shit game after game". that shows a lack of understanding of football or the world in general by u. he is a professional player and needs to act like one. this sort of indiscipline has rarely been seen with a player of his stature. dont u think a better attitude would have been to try and play even better to help his struggling team??, like a leader would. he decided to let players like xavi, iniesta, puyol, and yaya to slave it out on the pitch, while he took a little holiday. and WOW laporta has nothing to do him leaving, read some articles. laporta is one of his strongest supporters and backed him up for a really long time when the press slaughtered him, and often said he wants him to stay forever. they have given him 2 yrs to shape up and he just didnt. and im sure no one in barca is enjoying the decision to let him go. no one knows why, but at the end of the day, he is a grown man and makes his own decisions. he has disrespected this club and frankly, himself. and the fact only two clubs want him now, one being man citey says A LOT.
and comparing barca to chelski and comparing laporta to abramovich is one of the most ludacris things ive ever seen. we are NOTHING like that club.
on the olympics, frankly i can undrstand him being late, but ONLY because pep made a silly statement saying he doesnt want him. i thought that unnecesary. but if he WAS still part of plans here, the olympics are NOT important enough to let players like that go. football takes a huge back stage there and its meant for the youngsters, which was a brilliant initiative. im not happy at all about messi going. if he gets hurt playing there fans are going to go crazy.
the fact is with R10 is he built a lot of support for barca, but thats NOT important to myself or other long time fans, we dont need more fans, especially those based on 4 yrs of loyalty (which could end quite soon). i use to LOVE LOVE LOVE this player, i framed his shirt with his autography, i had rarely felt so much joy from one person. but he was deeply HURT fans with his attitude and disregard for the club and people that have supported him. teh football fan inside me wants him to do great at milan, but the barca fan feels bitter, hurt, and betrayed and hopes he goes to citeh, which would be plain old pathetic. at the end of the day he has played just AWFUL for 2 seasons. he may feel hurt by fans turning on him, but he did himself no favors with his antics. everyone knows u hav bad patches, but u dont handle them by boozing it up and playing worse every game. someone got it spot on before, "he has made his bed, now he can sleep in it". i WISH he could find the motivation to prove everyone wrong, stay, and be wonderful again. ppl would forgive him in seconds. but that seems to be noting more than an unlikely wish.
mes que un club ---- ur talking about ronaldinho of the past....u cant expect ppl to continue to love him in the same way that they used to if he is doing nothing....fans were patient last two seasons, how much longer? i dont care if he scored all those beautiful goals, what is he doing rite now??
when barca was amazing for those two seasons, most of the credit was given to ronaldinho and he deserved it but now when the team is doing bad, a lot of the blame should be put on him also.....its true that many players also played bad last two seasons but its not fair to give ronaldinho most of the credit when they do good but blame it on the entire team when they do bad....in the same manner they he got most of the credit, he should get most of the blame....he was the teams main player!!
look at oleguer!! it SEEMS like he's only played 5 games for the last 2 seasons but i never seem him whining....it is true that u cant compare oleguer and ronnie but he should set an example for the rest of the team, hes the teams 2nd captain and hes the star of the team.
ok @blaugranaboy, you obviously missed out on some of the facts. First of all Laporta didn't bring R10 to Camp Neu. It was Rossel. And Laporta IS the main reason why R10 is leaving Barca! If you believe all those things you said, then just answer me a simple question: Why did 60% of the fans vote against Laporta, and why did Rossel said that he wants Ronaldinho to stay! "El presidente" wants to remove R10 from the squad cause he believes that would solve all the problems. Here's a useful link for you :
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Actually you should browse through the www.goal.com, u could find a lot of interesting info!
And second, don't judge my devotion for Barca just by making an assumption based on what I wrote. I know there is lot more to Barca then R10. And I'm not their fan just cause of Ronaldinho. I was probably their fan even before you became one. I support Barca for about 15 yrs and I'm 28 yrs old, so don't go there at all. And I saw most of Rivaldo's goals and I admire him a lot, but would you be so kind and tell me me when (and against who???) did he score from free-kick like R10 did against W.Bremen? As I already said I never ever had an opportunity to see a player like R10 was (yes, I said was, I don't know what he will be like next season, maybe you do, are you a prophet of some kind?). So' I strongly believe in what I said that he is(was) the best of all times. It doesn't matter at all is it the past or present cause he has an enormous amount of talent (never seen before), it can never fade away! He just has to work harder so that talent emerges to the top again!
Well, on the matter of his motivation and professionalism, there seem to be a lot of argument. But I believe that he would be very motivated if he started to work again under a coach who can maintain discipline at the club. And I hope Guardiola is the one. I hope all of you don't believe that all Barca's problems can be gone just by removing R10 or Eto'o. Oh no, entirely different approach must be taken from the start. Players got lazy. All of them. They aren't a s much as concentrated, nor fit nor motivated! And it is the ex-coach Rijkaard's fault! Yes, R10 was lazy, not showing for training, he was partying and stuff. Hell, what do you think would happen if Capello was his coach? Or Fergusson? He would know how to maintain discipline by fining him. Or sentencing him 5-10 or even half a season ban! That's what Rijkaard wasn't capable of doing. He's a great tactician, a great person generally, but he lacked discipline and strictness. Do you understand that? Rijkaard was the key reason for bad things that happened. But when you change the coach it's not necessary to change players as well! Under a new guidance, even the same group of players can become the best in the world, again! Or, even with the same manager, but that one would have to be like Alex Fergusson, always motivated and maintains discipline. I don't really know how he does that after all these years!
cool man i was waiting for the semi angry response. it is always a risk assuming things about people and their loyalties so seemingly in this case i got it wrong. with rivaldo i really dont know which game man, it was about 9 or 10 yrs ago, but i remember watching it and being amazed. he actually did it twice.
and i know rossell was the one who brought roni in and his departure was a big blow to roni. but laporta always always supported him before pep was appointed. when the press was killing him week in week out and the transfer rumors to milan started he was always saying he didnt want to sell him. laporta now has guardiola as manager and if he doesnt want roni there laporta has to support that, thats the only reason he is selling him.
and yes rijkaard's chilled approach to management may have been a big factor, but thats not what u said the first time. ur new on this blog but trust me rijkaard got a big amount of criticism from fans. but that STILL DOES NOT by any means excuse roni's behavior. just because ur manager doenst repremand u doesnt not mean u can behave the way he has. if u love ur club and ur career, u maintain professional behavior. he abused rijkaards friendliness and liberty. rijkaard wanted to treat his players like friends and adults, not employees. it worked for a while but then ppl abused it. i dont see any positivies with roni abusing that.
and obviously he may be reborn with pep but its very likely he has spoken to pep, laporta, or at least his brother has and obviously his heart is not in barca anymore. before laporta said he wants him out he said he would love to work with him, so something changed. if roni says he doesnt want to be there, pep, laporta, and the club have no choice but to move on and try to make the best ecomical solution.
lastly, the vote was far far far from a roni issue.
btw, dont trust goal.com. that site talks so much crap (near as much as marca). ppl here will verfiy that.
look i would love him to change and lead us to success again. no one doubts his talent, thats impossible. id forgive him if he changed. but we have waited 2 years. who long would u wait? how long would u be paying him all this money for him to disrespect the club and not earn his money? he has caused discontent in the club and lockeroom, thats undeinable. how long do u wait?thats a major major decision.
raul was terrible for 3 yrs nearly, but madrid waited. why? because he just kept trying, every day, every practice. u didnt read storeis of raul getting boozed, faking injuries, skipping practice, etc.... he played a bit, warmed the bench a lot, got subbed a lot, lost his international spot, but just kept trying, running and giving his best. he now just had one of his best yrs, THATS A PROFESSIONAL. thats someone u can respect and can see he loves his career and loves his club. the fact is u nor anyone can argue with this: roni has NOT showed any sort of these qualities. he gave up on the team and the club.
i find all this a terrible tragedy and i get sad when i see him on tv now, but eventually if someone gives up on u and the club, u cant keep wishing for a mircale. if he loved where he was, all he would have to do was call a press conference and state his desire and wish to stay and promise he would return to his old self, or at least put the vodka and hamburgers down and make a f**king effort.
Ok blaugranaboy, I agree with those things you said about R10 should have been more pro like Raul, but I also believe he would have been more pro if the coach showed the right approach with him. He shouldn't have sent him to the bench after a few lousy games. I don't know if you are aware of the fact that all players are given an "importance role" in the team when they sign a contract with the club. Well I'm not familiar with those so much, but I believe there are something like key players, squad rotation, back-up players etc involved. So if R10 was given a "key player" role (which I believe he was) and the coach sends him to the bench just after a few lousy games, ofc the player would feel unhappy. What player wouldn't? And after that he even removed him from the bench and sent him to reserve squad (by this I don't mean Barca "B" team, but the rest of players registered for "A" team). That was nothing else but humiliation for him and I'm not surprised he started missing trainings and going to parties! Concerning Raul, I believe he was never left out of the first team (bench players included) for his entire career! The thing is Rijkaard gave up on R10 too early! And he wasn't that bad during 06/07 season, he was just not in form for a while. After all, primera was lost just because of poor head to head score against R.Madrid. If Barca won the title that season, we wouldn't have this conversation at all. And Ronaldinho would still be the best player in the world!
Things didn't look good for Laporta (oh he is a weasel I tell you) so he decided to correct them by bringing in Henry. But when Henry came, real problems appeared! There was no way the 2 of them could play along with Messi and Eto'o in the first team. It was too crowded in the attack. I felt it even then and unfortunately I was right! Henry pushed out Ronnie, cause Rijkaard used him on the left in R10's position. An unnatural position for him, as he said himself a couple of times. I honestly believe R10 was pushed out of the team and punished for not being able to perform at the highest level due to a lack of form for some period! And the lack of fitness. Caused by Rijkaard and his staff! Not only Ronnie had problems with this as I remember. Why were there so many injuries of all players involved? Some people should really ask themselves that question! Ok, so you admit it was also Rijkaard's fault, we agreed on that. And I must also agree that it was Ronnie's fault in not trying hard. But the thing is that he was already demoralized and unmotivated cause they kicked him out of the team. I'm not trying to say that his behavior was good all of the time. But I'm just saying I can understand him! He was a key player for 4 seasons and suddenly he became a back-up! Sad but true!
Only one who is to be held responsible for this situation is Ronaldinho, the guy thought he would still be number one without proper trainning. People can talk all they want, blame Laporta, Rijkaard, etc, but the only person that could have changed this was R10 and he chose not to.
Ronaldinho vete ya y deja de vivir del cuento cabron!!
i totally agree brining henry in was a awful move, i was worried from day one. trust me, im his biggest critic. i have slandered him on this blog. who ever wanted to bring him in was totally wrong. but i dont think it was ever made clear who pushed for that transfer.
either way, i have to agree with liam more. u can blame rijkaard, laporta, etc... but at the end of the day roni made a decison on how he was going to handle this situation. he made decisions based on his character, and it showed his character had little resilience and a lot of arrogance. i said the same and liam is right, only roni could and can change his ways. no matter if he had the strictest coach in the world, players are people with free will, and he could have just as easily ignored another manager. and i dont agree that he was ok in 06/07, i thought he was pretty awful and usually contributed negativity to the game. it actually got embarrassing and sad how badly he played and was never able to beat a player. honsetly, it think barca gave him too many chances and eventually he was put as "injured" the last 3 months or so, which i thought was a very respectful move on our part, rather than really just kicking him off thes squad. it doesnt matter what role he was given, fact is he failed the team and never fought to get back to his best. if he had trained harder, got in shape, and played at his level, he would have started no matter what. i was happy when rijkaard started benching him, most people say it was necessary. his form was a negative effect on our team and some games we looked like playing with 10 men.
either way, it seems some people are going to be forigving with him and remmeber only the good. i wont let him off that easy, and others here feel the same. he cant get a free pass for his behavior. in fact, i think that greatness he achieved only makes this worse and hurt worse.
Barca now should prepare a strong team without Ronnie. this is a tough task for Pep. No mtter what, Ronnie is leaving Barca one day and it looks like will happen in the next few day. i suggest Pep buy a new young left forward/midfielder. i choose David Silva.
Well blaugranaboy, it seems like we have one thing in common. We are both stubborn as a "mule". Well in my country we have a saying "pametniji popušta" which literally means "smarter one loosens" and that' s exactly what I'm going to do
After all, you have a right to your opinion and I have a right of my own. In the end nothing we say here won't change a thing between Barca and Ronnie. But for the record, I just wanted to make clear again one thing. I didn't say everything Ronnie did was perfect, I didn't like him missing the training or getting drunk either, but I'm only saying I can understand why he did those things and what are the real reasons for that! You don't thing he could get motivated again at Barca! Well, it's a very slim chance that he'll stay at Barca at the moment, but I would love him to stay and show the rest of the world he's still the best. Even in Barca shirt!
Well, maybe the olympic games can help him get back to his best.
Who knows?
Barca should let him go!!!
Ok. I agree that Barca is paying him a lot money but the money he brought in for the club will never compare . I believe Barca used ronnie to get their club back into to shape than try to used henry as an added boost but henry couldnt deliver. And in the 2007 season barca lost their tittle based on goals scored not points, they did lead the league most of the season, than the owner and rijkard acquired Henry and bench Ronnie and thats why I think the team desolve. They got henry and whoever esle they bought so Ronnie should focus on his next club and most importantly his Country. Basicly the Club is moving foward so should Ronnie.
it doesnt matter what happened in the past to ronaldinho....hes leaving the club and guardiola doesnt need him but for now he is still a barca player so if they want him to go to training with the team than he has to...it doesnt even matter if all the barca players spit in his face every morning during training, he is still a a barca player and its his job
All of you who are supporting R10 still are under the idea that he still cares about us, and his form. He knows that this is going to encourage the club to sell him for less, and AC Milan knows this information too, so because of it, we're going to ultimately get loss money for the bloke. I LOVED R10, but this is ridiculous, he needs to leave before his venom infects the rest of the locker room like last year.
and don't blame henry for this, rijkaard benched ronnie because he played poorly, not because henry was supposed to replace him.
Can't he just hurry up and move to a different club i don't care who you are uless you are joan gamper you can hit the road no-one i mean NO ONE is bigger than a club (unless you are raul or christiano ronaldo maybe)
you are right, NO ONE is larger than the club, NO ONE. Ronaldinho has stopped giving a crap about himself and his responsibility to the Club. Honestly, no one is going to change this unless he wants, and there is no sign him letting up.
As a club, they need to keep him out of the locker room regardless of the cost so he does not infect the players who want to continue the great tradition that is Blaugrana. On the far outside chance that he comes to his senses (doubtful but possible) Barça can use a touch of his Brazilian magic, but I really think that boy has lost touch with reality.
The love affair of FC Barcelona and Ronaldinho, is upon us, quite frankly, he doesn't give a sh*t about Barca any more and therefore it would be best if he would just leave and when he does, the locker room can become more peaceful.
Dinho's fame has reached he's head and thinks that he is king of the world but he ain't and the sooner he realises this the better for him.
Dinho thanks for everything that you've done for Barca, but it's time i think you leave...
GET OUT GET OUT GET OUT GET OUT GET OUT GET OUT GET OUT GET OUT GET OUT GET OUT GET OUT GET OUT GET OUT GET OUT
i read an article online somewhere today regarding the transition players have made from pawn to king in terms of negotiating their way out of a club or contract and the power the big stars now have over their respective clubs and i can't help but feel ronaldinho has probably orchestrated his departure from barca right from the start - why would a player of his (proven) calibre play at that low-key affair in beijing where football normally takes a back seat...ronaldinho should be disciplined heavily for his actions - maybe he'd like a stint at barca atletic until his contract runs out? he has got away with too much so far and while we're on the subject messi should reconsider the olympics also...
Hey this is totally not necessary from Ronaldinh. Sell him as soon as possible, this is enough. He has done a lot of things for the club, but its lunacy to keep him at the club, pay him such a lot of money and he still feels he is bigger than the club! Really, he should be sold to Manchester City, thats where he deserves to go. I really wish he d be sold to city rather than Milan, only then would he be brought back to his senses! Really, enough is enough. This guy needs to go.
Hey this is totally not necessary from Ronaldinh. Sell him as soon as possible, this is enough. He has done a lot of things for the club, but its lunacy to keep him at the club, pay him such a lot of money and he still feels he is bigger than the club! Really, he should be sold to Manchester City, thats where he deserves to go. I really wish he d be sold to city rather than Milan, only then would he be brought back to his senses! Really, enough is enough. This guy needs to go.
to me it seems like the Ronnie vs. Barca conflict is a big complicated mess... i won't attempt to understand it nor will i take sides. its just sad knowing that R10 at his best in a Barca shirt is just a memory now
you all need to check out this link from goal.com
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The link accusses barca for Ronaldhino currents situation both with weight & fitness and was stated by Brazils fitness coach Paixao.I personally beleive Barca is to blame and not Ronaldhino.I wish him all the best in the olympics and you all need to remember that after Ronaldhino has left barca he will always be a Brazillian.Hence if he chooses his country over his club i see nothing wrong with that,especially after Pep made it publicly clear that he is not in his plans.I personally want him to move on at the end of this transfer season to a club who will appreciate him
He was the attacking master in the 04/05 and 05/06 seasons. Entertaining, effective and unstoppable. Just brilliant.
Now he's just a fat cunt.
Apparently Milan have agreed a deal with R10 for 15mil.
Im gettin sick of the way some people treat Ronaldinho as if hes nothing. Show some respect. He was a master in 04/05 05/06. Had 2 seasons out of form due to injuries/personal differences etc..
But some of you are forgetting what he did for this club and what he along with other players are partially responsible for what Barcelona is today.
If Barcelona is to blame for Ronaldinho's fitness and wellbeing, blame it on Rijkaard. What he did was institute a system whereby the players were responsible for themselves. Things like showing up for training, or for treatment if injured, that was the players' job not Rijkaard. He wasn't into babysitting players and felt they were adults so they should be treated like adults. Well, apparently it seems that some players have been superstars so long they really haven't needed to act like an adult. Maybe Ronaldinho falls into this category? A nice kid, certainly, but an ... adult? Hmm.
rafael_dias --- i think every1 remembers how ronaldinho was during his two good seasons and all barca fans respect him for that....but when he starts acting like a baby, how long do u expect fans to continue to respect him in the same way that they did? he has to show some respect to the club also....by going to training on monday......he is the professional, not the fans, so he has to set the example...it doesnt really matter if the fans respect him or not, i bet u the barca players respect him and he plays with them so he cant just choose to not come to training because thats kind of not showing respect to the other players, hes not better than any one of them, the olympics arent required
Ronnie made Barca the club it is now face it, it wasn't Messi, Eto'o it was R10 2 seasons a go he touched a ball it was magic but this season sure he's lost form but he still da best and he always will be!!!!!
arsenalblog - lol!
ronnie 4 life - barca pay his wages - not his country!
i do agree though that barca was built around ronaldinho when he came and that led to the champions league victory but he is a grown man and has made his bed now...it's a pity barca fans will now have good AND bad memories of him when he eventually leaves...(hope he stays though - jesus - i don't know what i want!)...
Yes, I know how you feel, barcaman. Ronnie was amazing and I felt so thankful that he was playing with the Blaugrana. In 04/05 and 05/06 he was spectacular and, critically, always smiling, such a rare thing to see among players. Always trying to lift the spirits of his mates too. Remember his 'back' pass against Osasuna that got Giuly through for a goal in the box? Amazing stuff and by the bushel. But that was then, this is now. Sadly, Ronaldinho hasn't been that way since after the World Cup. Something went out of him then and never came back. But it's water under the bridge now, and if he wants to leave, I say agree a fee with AC Milan and be done with it. I'd rather see Ronaldinho shine again with a new club, then rot in Barcelona.
Someone please tell me what Ronaldinho was doing wrong before the Olympics situation? Why is Ronnie being veiwed as bad? I need facts!!! There are other players who performed bad during their season and so much pressure wasn't on them. I want to know what Ronnie was doing or wasn't doing facts please. Because i am reading everyone article and U all semm to know your stuff
Barcelona could have gotten rid of Ronaldinho long time ago............its just that they need another club (with exceptional optimism) to come in and buy him from their hands. Managers, you can give the boot, but with players, its a bit trickier.
Lansky
Ronaldinho never took his form and fitness seriously. Your skills stay with you but they are heavily deprived if your body is not fit enough to pull them all off with finesse.
Dont get me wrong. Although Ronaldinho has lost his speed, he still has the most exquisite of touches I have seen on a player. He controls a pass like he is playing with a foam ball.....its ridiculous.
This youtube vid will show you whats going on with ronaldinho. It was a friendly between his team and Messi's team. Ronaldinho performed really well (goals and assists) but look at him when he is about to take a free kick.................lives up to the name "little Ronaldo" eh?
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He is just dishing back what's been dished his way by Pep Gardiola. I told you before that he was arrogant. I can easily see him getting more players upset as the season progresses. Watch and see!
The moment he came out with that "stupid" announcement that Ronnie and Eto'o were not part of his plans, I knew that this would not end well. Great coaches also have great "soft" skills. Even if he doesn't plan on fielding them, he should allow them to walk with their heads up and leave with dignity. Afterall, they are professionals granted but humans first!!!
Stay, where you are Ronnie. Go to the Olympics and show them all how ridiculous they are for treating you the way they have!!!
Salam!!!
oh my god! He has become sooooo fat, oh my god, really. Wow, his touch and his skill is still unsurpassed, but wow, he surely has gained weight.
Nic,
For once Nic, I do not even agree with the title of the commentary: "More Indisciple from Ronaldinho". It is a great stimulator of conversation, which I am sure is what you are after but it almost sounds as though there's no way Ronnie can be right about the decisions he makes regarding his relationship with the club. We all have to keep in mind that he is privy to more information about his future and the real nature of his relationship with the club than any of us. Since this is a democratic forum, I hereby formally voice what I am beginning to perceive as a clear bias against the man, although I read your disclaimer about your former, should I say, respect for him!!!
at the moment, he is not respecting the club so nobody should respect him...it doesnt matter what he did for the club, xavi and puyol have done more, those two amazing seasons r all over now, he needs to perform now cuz the past means nothing........it takes time to lose weight and barca was patient for him for two seasons, how much longer do we have to wait for him to be back to his best and lose 100 pounds?
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What are you going to do if they want you to report for training when your 'not part of my plans?'
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Just because a clerk at a big company isnt part of a big plan, doesnt mean he doesnt come to work. He is getting paid to do so...
So, as long as Ronnie is getting paid, ie as long as Barca pays his wages, whether he isnt part of these "plans" or not, he should be there.
Ok. I’ve had enough of this! But I just can’t make a short comment, cause I feel like there is so many things to be made clear. So, my dear Barca and Barca-wannabe fans, reading this will require some patience (and time). I've read all these comments on the subject of Ronaldinho. Honestly, I'm sick and tired of hearing people calling names one of the best football players (IMO THE BEST) ever to walk on the face of this planet. Cause if what R10 showed during seasons 04-05 an 05/06 you guys don't consider an out of this world performance, then the lot of you should really start worrying about your football knowledge. Players like R10 show up for once in a 50 or even a 100 yrs time. Am I exaggerating a bit? Let's see! The things he did in football not so long ago amazed most of the professional footballers today. They will never have the knowledge to do the flip-flops like R10 did. Or free kicks. Or over-head shots. For God sakes did anyone of you ever saw a player score a goal like R10 did with his over-head kick against Villareal (primera) or the free-kick against W.Bremen (CL). Oh, that one is something special, a brilliant move, one of the coolest (and bravest) free-kicks ever. Yes, I'm talking about THE free-kick, when he waited for opposition to jump (hey everyone was expecting a shot over the wall, even the cameraman was taken by surprise, so you can't see the ball on front camera in most clips) and then coolly placed the ball inside the net by shooting "under" (???) the wall. Does anyone even realize how hard that is? I mean you have like 2-3 seconds to shoot the ball under the wall when players jump. If that isn't pure brilliance shown by R10 I don't know what is. Not to mention that goal against Chelsea when he was surrounded by 4 players and still he found (only God knows how??) the gap and without moving he fired a long curve ball which took everyone by surprise and finished inside the net with a confused look on Cech’s (and everybody else’s) face.
Tell me, guys did you ever see anything like that? Or the brilliant above mentioned overhead (scissors) kick against Villareal. Oh, I almost forgot that incredible goal against Valencia when Barca won 2-0 (or 2-1 not so sure, it was a long time ago ) at Mestalla. R10 was again surrounded by opposition but showed his brilliance when he fired a shot with such power and precision no keeper in the world would be able to stop that. And how could anybody forget his free-kick in the Brasillian side against England in WC2002 when he chipped Seaman (yeah, I know he wasn’t a Barca player yet, so what?) :-p At first, when I saw that goal I couldn’t believe he even meant to shoot directly on goal. I was like “oh it was just a fluke goal, he didn’t mean to do that, it was just a cross that somehow finished inside the net”. But when I saw what R10 is really capable of…then I changed my mind. I even started to believe in that famous Nike commercial when he shot the bar 4 times in a row in training. I know a lot of you believe it’s fake, but I believe R10 was touched by God or something. And I am an atheist! So, after a long consideration of all his outstanding goals and moves I believe I wasn't exaggerating! And yes, I agree Messi is new Maradona (IMO R10 is better even than the “little green one”, but that’s just my opinion, so who cares :-p) and he is an extraordinary player, one of the best in the world. Maybe even the best, judging by the current form. But the things R10 did, even when he wasn't in form, are nothing less then MAGIC, even impossible moves. The best thing about him IMO was that he was (and hope still is) so unpredictable, you could never guess what he's about to do next. Such creativity and vision was never before seen on football pitch IMO! But everyone was thrilled with his moves while he was in form. It was beautiful to watch him as he was also efficient. And that’s what the fans want.
I agree, scoring is the most important thing in football. People prefer to see even the ugliest goals than a lot of attractive moves without scoring. Would anybody talk about Messi’s remake of Maradona goal against England if that ball against Getafe didn’t find it’s way to the back of the net? Yeah, they would. But it wouldn’t BE a remake of that goal, it would just be an attempt. And it would be forgotten fast. People remember goals more often than flip-flops, back-heels, one-twos or other attractive moves, but if they were scored in attractive way, then they remember them for as long as they live! And that is why most people abandoned R10. He stopped being efficient. He couldn’t score anymore, his brilliant passes couldn’t find their way to his team-mates. Well, football is a team sport, you can’t just expect one player to do the job. What I believe is that Rijkaard was the key reason behind Barca’s poor results. Do not accuse R10 of bad form, the whole team was playing poorly in the last 2 seasons. Ok, he was late for trainings, he partied a lot. What do you think was the real reason for that? He forgot how to play? He didn’t care about Barca anymore? Hah! You must be joking! The man lost motivation. The reason? He lost confidence in his manager’s ability! And when a player loses confidence in his manager then things start to go down. On professional and personal levels also. Football players always need a challenge as long as they are active. So, when Rijkaard lost his ability and motivation (which I believe happened the moment after he got hold on that CL trophy in 2006) the team started to play badly. Not just R10, but the whole team. IMO Rijkaard is the one who lost his motivation (the man did win everything in just two years time) and with constant pressure over his head by Laporta and the board, it’s not at all strange that he wasn’t the right man for the job anymore. In teams such as Barca you are expected to get the results at all times.
No excuses! When Rijkaard wasn’t able to do it anymore they replaced him. I support that decision, although I have a very good opinion of Rijkaard. But he got sloppy and paid the price. He was the one who is responsible for results but also for motivating players. If he could have maintained discipline, no one would talk about R10 the way they do today. So, the young and talented (so they say….well, I’ll give him a chance to prove it) Barca’s legendary midfielder Guardiola was brought to “A” team from the reserves to reunite all Barca fans and to lift the team spirit and win trophies for the best club in the world. But the shame is that the man who is responsible for bringing Rijkaard as well as Guardiola didn’t respect new head-coach wishes, and let Ronaldinho stay. As I remember, in an article published on www.goal.com Guardiola said that he has a very high opinion of R10 and would like him to be a part of the team. So, why is Ronaldinho so keen to leave Barca? Cause of Laporta, the man responsible for everything. I don’t like what Barca has become. I’m furious actually. It’s just like at “Chelsky”. If Abramovich says “I want this or that player” there is no talk about it. Hey, he doesn’t want Lampard to stay (???) anymore and so he won’t. His days are numbered, I’m certain! I have the feeling the same is happening at Barca now. Laporta said Ronaldinho must go and so he will. It is obvious that the two of them can’t be in the same room anymore. Barca fans figured that out and they showed their support to R10 when they voted against Laporta. I’m just disappointed that number wasn’t 66,66% at least. If that had happened I’m 99’99% sure we would see R10 in our favorite shirt once again! As for him missing the training in the opening of the season, well he should have behaved more professionally regarding this matter. But would you come to your job when all your colleagues are present if you suspected you are going to be fired in front of all of them.
Wouldn’t you rather show up later when no one is around and discuss this matter with your boss face to face? I know I would!
P.S. This is the end of my letter, thank you for your attention and sorry for my bad English at times. It's not my mother tongue at all :-)
BARCA.... MES QUE UN CLUB!
mes que un club, i like ur commitment with that post, but frankly it has some good pts but a whole lot of shit too. no one forgets how amazing he was and most know (including me) he was the best player to grace the pitch in decades. but firstly ur examples are so meaningless, sure the bicycle kick goal was great but many people have done that. and under the free kick? that shows ur limited time as a barca fan (which is suspect is due to R10). rivaldo did that for the first time in about 99 or 98. and the david seaman goal was a fluke. his amazingness came from just watching his everygame brilliance, a pass, a little trick.
and how can u excuse his behavior on losing faith on rijkaard??? u think its acceptable for players to think, "ok my manager is bad now, whatever, who cares about the team...im just goign to go out everynight and get drunk, get fat, come to about 20% of trainings, and play like absolute shit game after game". that shows a lack of understanding of football or the world in general by u. he is a professional player and needs to act like one. this sort of indiscipline has rarely been seen with a player of his stature. dont u think a better attitude would have been to try and play even better to help his struggling team??, like a leader would. he decided to let players like xavi, iniesta, puyol, and yaya to slave it out on the pitch, while he took a little holiday. and WOW laporta has nothing to do him leaving, read some articles. laporta is one of his strongest supporters and backed him up for a really long time when the press slaughtered him, and often said he wants him to stay forever. they have given him 2 yrs to shape up and he just didnt. and im sure no one in barca is enjoying the decision to let him go. no one knows why, but at the end of the day, he is a grown man and makes his own decisions. he has disrespected this club and frankly, himself. and the fact only two clubs want him now, one being man citey says A LOT.
and comparing barca to chelski and comparing laporta to abramovich is one of the most ludacris things ive ever seen. we are NOTHING like that club.
on the olympics, frankly i can undrstand him being late, but ONLY because pep made a silly statement saying he doesnt want him. i thought that unnecesary. but if he WAS still part of plans here, the olympics are NOT important enough to let players like that go. football takes a huge back stage there and its meant for the youngsters, which was a brilliant initiative. im not happy at all about messi going. if he gets hurt playing there fans are going to go crazy.
the fact is with R10 is he built a lot of support for barca, but thats NOT important to myself or other long time fans, we dont need more fans, especially those based on 4 yrs of loyalty (which could end quite soon). i use to LOVE LOVE LOVE this player, i framed his shirt with his autography, i had rarely felt so much joy from one person. but he was deeply HURT fans with his attitude and disregard for the club and people that have supported him. teh football fan inside me wants him to do great at milan, but the barca fan feels bitter, hurt, and betrayed and hopes he goes to citeh, which would be plain old pathetic. at the end of the day he has played just AWFUL for 2 seasons. he may feel hurt by fans turning on him, but he did himself no favors with his antics. everyone knows u hav bad patches, but u dont handle them by boozing it up and playing worse every game. someone got it spot on before, "he has made his bed, now he can sleep in it". i WISH he could find the motivation to prove everyone wrong, stay, and be wonderful again. ppl would forgive him in seconds. but that seems to be noting more than an unlikely wish.
mes que un club ---- ur talking about ronaldinho of the past....u cant expect ppl to continue to love him in the same way that they used to if he is doing nothing....fans were patient last two seasons, how much longer? i dont care if he scored all those beautiful goals, what is he doing rite now??
when barca was amazing for those two seasons, most of the credit was given to ronaldinho and he deserved it but now when the team is doing bad, a lot of the blame should be put on him also.....its true that many players also played bad last two seasons but its not fair to give ronaldinho most of the credit when they do good but blame it on the entire team when they do bad....in the same manner they he got most of the credit, he should get most of the blame....he was the teams main player!!
look at oleguer!! it SEEMS like he's only played 5 games for the last 2 seasons but i never seem him whining....it is true that u cant compare oleguer and ronnie but he should set an example for the rest of the team, hes the teams 2nd captain and hes the star of the team.
ok @blaugranaboy, you obviously missed out on some of the facts. First of all Laporta didn't bring R10 to Camp Neu. It was Rossel. And Laporta IS the main reason why R10 is leaving Barca! If you believe all those things you said, then just answer me a simple question: Why did 60% of the fans vote against Laporta, and why did Rossel said that he wants Ronaldinho to stay! "El presidente" wants to remove R10 from the squad cause he believes that would solve all the problems. Here's a useful link for you :
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Actually you should browse through the www.goal.com, u could find a lot of interesting info!
And second, don't judge my devotion for Barca just by making an assumption based on what I wrote. I know there is lot more to Barca then R10. And I'm not their fan just cause of Ronaldinho. I was probably their fan even before you became one. I support Barca for about 15 yrs and I'm 28 yrs old, so don't go there at all. And I saw most of Rivaldo's goals and I admire him a lot, but would you be so kind and tell me me when (and against who???) did he score from free-kick like R10 did against W.Bremen? As I already said I never ever had an opportunity to see a player like R10 was (yes, I said was, I don't know what he will be like next season, maybe you do, are you a prophet of some kind?). So' I strongly believe in what I said that he is(was) the best of all times. It doesn't matter at all is it the past or present cause he has an enormous amount of talent (never seen before), it can never fade away! He just has to work harder so that talent emerges to the top again!
Well, on the matter of his motivation and professionalism, there seem to be a lot of argument. But I believe that he would be very motivated if he started to work again under a coach who can maintain discipline at the club. And I hope Guardiola is the one. I hope all of you don't believe that all Barca's problems can be gone just by removing R10 or Eto'o. Oh no, entirely different approach must be taken from the start. Players got lazy. All of them. They aren't a s much as concentrated, nor fit nor motivated! And it is the ex-coach Rijkaard's fault! Yes, R10 was lazy, not showing for training, he was partying and stuff. Hell, what do you think would happen if Capello was his coach? Or Fergusson? He would know how to maintain discipline by fining him. Or sentencing him 5-10 or even half a season ban! That's what Rijkaard wasn't capable of doing. He's a great tactician, a great person generally, but he lacked discipline and strictness. Do you understand that? Rijkaard was the key reason for bad things that happened. But when you change the coach it's not necessary to change players as well! Under a new guidance, even the same group of players can become the best in the world, again! Or, even with the same manager, but that one would have to be like Alex Fergusson, always motivated and maintains discipline. I don't really know how he does that after all these years!
cool man i was waiting for the semi angry response. it is always a risk assuming things about people and their loyalties so seemingly in this case i got it wrong. with rivaldo i really dont know which game man, it was about 9 or 10 yrs ago, but i remember watching it and being amazed. he actually did it twice.
and i know rossell was the one who brought roni in and his departure was a big blow to roni. but laporta always always supported him before pep was appointed. when the press was killing him week in week out and the transfer rumors to milan started he was always saying he didnt want to sell him. laporta now has guardiola as manager and if he doesnt want roni there laporta has to support that, thats the only reason he is selling him.
and yes rijkaard's chilled approach to management may have been a big factor, but thats not what u said the first time. ur new on this blog but trust me rijkaard got a big amount of criticism from fans. but that STILL DOES NOT by any means excuse roni's behavior. just because ur manager doenst repremand u doesnt not mean u can behave the way he has. if u love ur club and ur career, u maintain professional behavior. he abused rijkaards friendliness and liberty. rijkaard wanted to treat his players like friends and adults, not employees. it worked for a while but then ppl abused it. i dont see any positivies with roni abusing that.
and obviously he may be reborn with pep but its very likely he has spoken to pep, laporta, or at least his brother has and obviously his heart is not in barca anymore. before laporta said he wants him out he said he would love to work with him, so something changed. if roni says he doesnt want to be there, pep, laporta, and the club have no choice but to move on and try to make the best ecomical solution.
lastly, the vote was far far far from a roni issue.
btw, dont trust goal.com. that site talks so much crap (near as much as marca). ppl here will verfiy that.
look i would love him to change and lead us to success again. no one doubts his talent, thats impossible. id forgive him if he changed. but we have waited 2 years. who long would u wait? how long would u be paying him all this money for him to disrespect the club and not earn his money? he has caused discontent in the club and lockeroom, thats undeinable. how long do u wait?thats a major major decision.
raul was terrible for 3 yrs nearly, but madrid waited. why? because he just kept trying, every day, every practice. u didnt read storeis of raul getting boozed, faking injuries, skipping practice, etc.... he played a bit, warmed the bench a lot, got subbed a lot, lost his international spot, but just kept trying, running and giving his best. he now just had one of his best yrs, THATS A PROFESSIONAL. thats someone u can respect and can see he loves his career and loves his club. the fact is u nor anyone can argue with this: roni has NOT showed any sort of these qualities. he gave up on the team and the club.
i find all this a terrible tragedy and i get sad when i see him on tv now, but eventually if someone gives up on u and the club, u cant keep wishing for a mircale. if he loved where he was, all he would have to do was call a press conference and state his desire and wish to stay and promise he would return to his old self, or at least put the vodka and hamburgers down and make a f**king effort.
Ok blaugranaboy, I agree with those things you said about R10 should have been more pro like Raul, but I also believe he would have been more pro if the coach showed the right approach with him. He shouldn't have sent him to the bench after a few lousy games. I don't know if you are aware of the fact that all players are given an "importance role" in the team when they sign a contract with the club. Well I'm not familiar with those so much, but I believe there are something like key players, squad rotation, back-up players etc involved. So if R10 was given a "key player" role (which I believe he was) and the coach sends him to the bench just after a few lousy games, ofc the player would feel unhappy. What player wouldn't? And after that he even removed him from the bench and sent him to reserve squad (by this I don't mean Barca "B" team, but the rest of players registered for "A" team). That was nothing else but humiliation for him and I'm not surprised he started missing trainings and going to parties! Concerning Raul, I believe he was never left out of the first team (bench players included) for his entire career! The thing is Rijkaard gave up on R10 too early! And he wasn't that bad during 06/07 season, he was just not in form for a while. After all, primera was lost just because of poor head to head score against R.Madrid. If Barca won the title that season, we wouldn't have this conversation at all. And Ronaldinho would still be the best player in the world!
Things didn't look good for Laporta (oh he is a weasel I tell you) so he decided to correct them by bringing in Henry. But when Henry came, real problems appeared! There was no way the 2 of them could play along with Messi and Eto'o in the first team. It was too crowded in the attack. I felt it even then and unfortunately I was right! Henry pushed out Ronnie, cause Rijkaard used him on the left in R10's position. An unnatural position for him, as he said himself a couple of times. I honestly believe R10 was pushed out of the team and punished for not being able to perform at the highest level due to a lack of form for some period! And the lack of fitness. Caused by Rijkaard and his staff! Not only Ronnie had problems with this as I remember. Why were there so many injuries of all players involved? Some people should really ask themselves that question! Ok, so you admit it was also Rijkaard's fault, we agreed on that. And I must also agree that it was Ronnie's fault in not trying hard. But the thing is that he was already demoralized and unmotivated cause they kicked him out of the team. I'm not trying to say that his behavior was good all of the time. But I'm just saying I can understand him! He was a key player for 4 seasons and suddenly he became a back-up! Sad but true!
Only one who is to be held responsible for this situation is Ronaldinho, the guy thought he would still be number one without proper trainning. People can talk all they want, blame Laporta, Rijkaard, etc, but the only person that could have changed this was R10 and he chose not to.
Ronaldinho vete ya y deja de vivir del cuento cabron!!
i totally agree brining henry in was a awful move, i was worried from day one. trust me, im his biggest critic. i have slandered him on this blog. who ever wanted to bring him in was totally wrong. but i dont think it was ever made clear who pushed for that transfer.
either way, i have to agree with liam more. u can blame rijkaard, laporta, etc... but at the end of the day roni made a decison on how he was going to handle this situation. he made decisions based on his character, and it showed his character had little resilience and a lot of arrogance. i said the same and liam is right, only roni could and can change his ways. no matter if he had the strictest coach in the world, players are people with free will, and he could have just as easily ignored another manager. and i dont agree that he was ok in 06/07, i thought he was pretty awful and usually contributed negativity to the game. it actually got embarrassing and sad how badly he played and was never able to beat a player. honsetly, it think barca gave him too many chances and eventually he was put as "injured" the last 3 months or so, which i thought was a very respectful move on our part, rather than really just kicking him off thes squad. it doesnt matter what role he was given, fact is he failed the team and never fought to get back to his best. if he had trained harder, got in shape, and played at his level, he would have started no matter what. i was happy when rijkaard started benching him, most people say it was necessary. his form was a negative effect on our team and some games we looked like playing with 10 men.
either way, it seems some people are going to be forigving with him and remmeber only the good. i wont let him off that easy, and others here feel the same. he cant get a free pass for his behavior. in fact, i think that greatness he achieved only makes this worse and hurt worse.
Barca now should prepare a strong team without Ronnie. this is a tough task for Pep. No mtter what, Ronnie is leaving Barca one day and it looks like will happen in the next few day. i suggest Pep buy a new young left forward/midfielder. i choose David Silva.
Well blaugranaboy, it seems like we have one thing in common. We are both stubborn as a "mule". Well in my country we have a saying "pametniji popušta" which literally means "smarter one loosens" and that' s exactly what I'm going to do
After all, you have a right to your opinion and I have a right of my own. In the end nothing we say here won't change a thing between Barca and Ronnie. But for the record, I just wanted to make clear again one thing. I didn't say everything Ronnie did was perfect, I didn't like him missing the training or getting drunk either, but I'm only saying I can understand why he did those things and what are the real reasons for that! You don't thing he could get motivated again at Barca! Well, it's a very slim chance that he'll stay at Barca at the moment, but I would love him to stay and show the rest of the world he's still the best. Even in Barca shirt!