Monday, 26 November 07, 03:01 AM
In a recent interview, Alex Ferguson said that it was his duty to produce English players, because nobody else was going to. Whether he intended it that way or not, the media interpreted it as a pop at Arsene Wenger and Arsenal, and probably a bit at Liverpool as well.
Of course, this all comes on the back of England's defeat to Croatia, and their generally bad football over the last year, and how all this is somehow the fault of foreign players coming in, and how clubs like Arsenal and Liverpool don't produce enough English players. Of course clubs like Manchester United and Chelsea are hailed for having "English souls" and whatever else, but that's really a lot of crap. It's easy for the two richest clubs in the country to go out and spend 10-20m on an English player and then claim that they have homegrown players. It's also nonsense.
So I thought i'd take a look at the two clubs named as the big "saviours" of English football, and see just exactly how many English international players they've "produced".
From the England squads, Manchester United have Wayne Rooney, Michael Carrick, Gary Neville, Wes Brown, Owen Hargreaves, Rio Ferdinand and Ben Foster. Which is fine I suppose, it's nice to have 7 England internationals, and I guess Alex Ferguson can be proud of that. But when it's used as stick to beat other clubs and managers with, then it becomes very, very unfair, because how much did these players cost?
Well, Rooney cost £27 million, Carrick cost £18m, Hargreaves cost £17m, and Ferdinand cost £33m. Ben Foster was a £1 million buy from Stoke, and ONLY two players - Gary Neville and Wes Brown - are from United's "famed" youth setup. Well, that's a total cost of £96 million! It's easy to brag about your "English core" when you're filthy rich isn't it!
And Chelsea? Well they have Ashley Cole, Wayne Bridge, John Terry, Frank Lampard, Joe Cole and Shaun-Wright Pillips. Once again, errr... well done for having all these Englishman in the squad, but again, how many have Chelsea produced? Just one - John Terry. As for the rest? Ashley Cole cost about £17 million (£5m + William Gallas), Wayne Bridge cost £7m, Frank Lampard cost £11m, Joe Cole cost £7m and Shaun Wright-Phillips cost £21m. Total cost: £63 million.
Chelsea and Manchester United spend more on their beloved English players than most clubs (Arsenal included) do in 2 or 3 seasons on ALL their players. And how many can you say are worth it? Is Owen Hargreaves really worth £17m when Mathieu Flamini cost £1m? Is Rio Ferdinand really worth £33m when Kolo Toure cost £750,000? Is Wayne Bridge worth £7m when Patrice Evra was only £4.5m? And Michael Carrick £18m when the far superior Xabi Alonso was only £11m? There's a reason that clubs look abroad for players, and it's not because they dislike English players or want to harm English football, it's because the prices and hype that surrounded even a moderately talented English player are ludicrously high, and clubs other than Chelsea and Manchester United can't really throw the money around.
In any case, we've seen that between them, Chelsea and Manchester United presently have only three club-produced England internationals in their squads. So why don't we look at the recent England squads, and the number of players that have been club-produced by the "Big Four", and when they won their first caps:
Manchester United: Gary Neville (1995), David Beckham (1996), Phil Neville (1996), Wes Brown (1999)
Arsenal: Ashley Cole (March 2001), David Bentley (September 2007)
Liverpool: Steven Gerrard (2000), Michael Owen (1998)
Chelsea: John Terry (June 2003)
OK, so Manchester United have the most home-produced players of those 4, but the most recent cap of them all was Wes Brown in 1998, and he's not even that important. They're basically still living off the reputation of their much vaunted "Golden Generation", but the fact is that United have not produced a decent English player in years and years, and their present crop are decidedly ageing and average at the ages of 32, 31, 32 and 28.
And I'd like to follow that up by asking you which club from the "Big Four" has produced the most number of players to be capped in this decade? Well the answer to that, funnily enough, is Arsenal! Two is not a large number, but it's certainly more than Manchester United have given to English football in the last 7 years. And if you look at the recent England youth squads, you will find that it's Arsenal who are producing the most talented young English players, and in good numbers as well. Surely this can only be because of their foreign manager, and all the incredibly talented foreign players that are there in training and on the field?
Incidentally the two clubs that have contributed the most to recent English squads are Leeds and West Ham. Leeds - Aaron Lennon, Paul Robinson, Alan Smith, Scott Carson, and Jonathan Woodgate
West Ham - Rio Ferdinand, Joe Cole, Michael Carrick, Frank Lampard and Jermain Defoe (although the latter was schooled mostly at Charlton)
With all due respect to the Manchester United Fans, Alex is fu^king rag!
Dear United, Chelsea, Arsenal, and Liverpool
I am perfectly within my legal rights, to sue your asses because you do not know how to develop youth.
United has a 9-year-old kid in their academy. His talents will wash away, once he learns the way things work at ManCHEATER United.
Chelski are even worse. They have no youth system, whatsoever. Stamford Toilet should be demolished, so they can make a proper youth academy.
Arsenal knows nothing on youth, expect to steal them from their rightful homes. Mr. Arsene Bunghole must be a pedophileac because young boys, like Fabregas and Fran Merida were lurred to him,
somehow. Not only that, but Arsenal gave Barcelona NO compensation for the 2 and claimed that "they wanted to come here". Talk about highway robbery.
And Liverpool would just suck with or without youth.
Sincerely,
Someone Who Knows About Youth
The Prem only wants players who are the finished product. Sad.
Sounds like crass jealously to me and, pray tell, where is Paul Scholes in your list of Man Utd players?
Besides, to maintain consistency of winning trophies - which all the big four must do
to
for pure financial reasons - the manager must be backed when he picks out a player to add to his team. All four of the clubs you've slated here CAN pay top whack, so they do and who's to say
that's
wrong?
If you really want to champion clubs in England who breed their own, try mentioning the likes of Crewe and Middlesborough.
The point of the article was to provide an alternative to the Sun/Sky produced hype about Chelsea and Manchester United being bastions of English football, and was written soon after Alex Ferguson's
quotes about how he was the only one taking responsibility for producing English talent, because nobody else would.
I haven't included Paul Scholes, because he's retired from international
football. If I included Paul Scholes, I might as well have included Tony Adams, Martin Keown, Ray Parlour and Paul Merson.
Wholly agree on Middlesborough, although they are yet to produce a top
class international yet. As for Crewe, for all their efforts, they players they produce are mostly Championship level (apart from Dean Ashton and Rob Edwards back in the day.
How about the success of United in the Barclaycard Premiership? You damned jealousy and you can't take it away! Why are you ashamed to mention Scholesy,Butt,Becks, Neville etc? You damned f**kin' jealousy dude!
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Very sad state of affairs with the big clubs. Do you think FIFA and/or UEFA will be successful with the youth academy quota forthcoming? Or will the big clubs just start buying players younger from
abroad and bring them into the academy to work around the rule?
Quotas are illegal, pointless, and will not solve anything. You don't see any other country complaining about this and asking for quotas.
The sooner they realise that English players aren't as
good as everyone thinks they are, the sooner the problem can be fixed. Arsene Wenger realised this the minute he took over at Arsenal, and he might have bought a lot of foreign players, but he's also
worked hard from day 1 to create a great youth system and training facilities, which will produce quality English youngsters soon.
There's also the ridiculous rule in England where clubs can
only recruit English players from within a 20 mile radius. It's unfair, because for e.g. in London, there are 13 league clubs, how are they supposed to all find good players when they are fighting
over the same area?