An Appeal To Thick Spurs Fans
Saturday, 03 January 09, 01:26 PM · Comments (283)
Thick, noisy people. This is aimed at you. You know who you are. You are thankfully a minority, but one the majority would like to see made smaller and smaller and smaller and eventually dissappear from our Club. West Ham are always on the lookout for imbeciles, perhaps you could nail your colours to their mast.
There is something about 'forgiving and forgetting' I've never quite felt wholly comfortable subscribing to.
But progress and healing are good things and seem to me a course whereby you acknowledge failings or misdoings and make a determined effort ...to move on. An attempt to learn and improve matters.
Baring malice forever is unproductive and bares more than a passing resemblance to the work of a beaten man.
Ghaly has served his time. And I ran the headline Ghaly Is A Workshy Fop.
The shirt hurling was deplorable and he didn't strut down the tunnel that night like a vexed Gladiator. He scuttled red faced like a shoplifter being tossed in the back of a Panda car in front of all his relatives - 'Ghaly you're a ****' ringing in his ears.
The audience participation of the other night was disheartening.
The all too vocal minority need to engage their brains before entering the ground.
Presumably the same guffawing oafs who booed Hossam are the same Novellos who regularly provide us with such family favourites as 'The Judas Song' b/w 'Let's All Get Arrested', 'The Adebayor Song' b/w 'There Are More Of Us Whiteys In The Ground So Who Cares?' and that old showstopper, 'Stand Up If You've Been Lobotomized'.
This clever dick, know it all, know nothing nonsense has to stop. You're making us all look like a shower of petty, hate filled, small time Charlies.
And beyond Ghaly there was the insanity of your other behaviour.
Jermain Defoe chants. These revealed a level of stupidity I had previously suspected but was unconvinced truly existed on the basis that anyone that daft surely couldn't have made it to adulthood, yet alone negotiated their way across London and into a football match.
For the love of.... Defoe plays for f***ing Portsmouth.
Bent I would like to see stay and with service become a great striker. But in light of your garbage verse aimed at him part of me would prefer him to sign for Villa and and put at least two past us home and away for the forseeable seasons.
And so to David Bentley. Like many of us in this life, a man with finite talents. And like many of us, not everyone cares for his each and every idiosyncracy. But I will not tolerate this petulant over scrutiny of the poor boy's every touch. He is undoubtedly trying his best. And all he seems to be getting in return is this tedious sighing and reciept waving.
History will judge Bentley, not some loudmouth twit in the Paxton fifteen minutes into a game.
Yes, he does go down a bit easy. But I didn't hear you groaning when Frazier Campbell faked his own death in thier penalty area that night.
That's about it. I'm at a loss at what to add.
Pack it in and support your team, if indeed you have one. There's no place for cannibals at The Lane.
'Ere, Gav, fink, right, of sumfink that rhymes wiv 'cannibals', mate...'
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" 'Oh dear, it's f*cked', is what I've always taken it to mean. I do have O-level Latin. Now they've stuck up a literal translation, in large letters: 'To dare is to do.' The words just stand there, on their own, not making much sense." Hunter Davies
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"I know more about smalz herring than I do about football." Sir Alan Sugar
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"Always had a bit of time, make a little bit of space, look up, bang. And you know he could put it on a postage stamp from 40 yards. Mmmmmmmmm...." Ron Manager aka Paul Whitehouse, Spurs fan on Glenn Hoddle
"I'm a miserable sod." Sir Alan Sugar
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"We like a tackle at Tottenham. we're not pansies, you know. " David Pleat
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283 Comments · Add yours
Well said Harry we come across as a small time club because the behaviour of the moron fringe
Well F*****G said Harry.
Thats great and i totally agree. However, Ghaly was absolute rubbish his last game which was why he was substituted in the first place, and previous to that he hardly did much to win anyone over. So, dont get your hopes up once he does get back on the pitch and my guess is that if he plays as poorly as he did during his last stint, he'll be booed off the pitch for his poor play (with some added enthusiasm for his little 'dicretion'. I'd say its better to move him along now than make things worse, but if he's improved his skills, ok.
Ghaly deserves a second chance ........ !!
All those who Booed last night should be ashamed of themselves !!
Like Harry said " show me a man who has never made a mistake and I will show you a liar "
Also I challenge anyone with a frail temper not to throw his toys out when 36,000 of your own fans applaude and cheer when you as a sub gets subbed (original incident)...... How many of us get that kind of stick whilst just doing our job .....
With regards to defoe ..... Come on Harry .... ?? he is A YIDDO X
THANK GOD... HH, I am totally 100% with you. We looked fucking awful, the treatment of Ghaly shamed all Spurs fans. It was embarrasing and out of order. Singing Defoe songs, yes, I'd be glad to have him back but he plays for Portsmouth!! We looked like complete knobbers, to put it bluntly. And the stick Bentley is getting, he has gone from kissing the badge to someone who is unsure how the fans feel about him. He gives 100% (sure his form is not great) but rather than get behind him, we get on his back.. Great Support?? Sorry to be negative but it is an embarrasment at the minute. Grow up and support the shirt, even if those playing aren't playing well OR the manager sees fit to play him.. Come fellow supporters, we are a great club with Great supporters. LETS NOT BEHAVE OTHERWISE, BECAUSE IT SHAMES US ALL!
Never a truer word said. Well done Harry and all who sail in you
F**king spot on, whenever i go to the games not as often as i like i get fed up with the "new" all knowing spurs fans...loved it last season when some knob kept coating off bent and then he scored
they are our boys support support support..i used to cheer Mark Falco that was hard
how pathetic some ppl are. he lost teeth previously wearing the shirt. now he wants to play & show he has skill. man do we need some fighters right now
What about the fact that Ghaly is actually crap - shouldnt that prevent him from being picked anyway???
I am with you on this. I am very bored of the Bentley bashing. Easy to judge his every move. But i don't hear any moaning when Lennon puts in a shit cross. Spot on about chanting players names who don't play for us. Bentley will come good, and he has the talent and the deisre to do great things for this club. Up the spurs
Sense at last. Harry foe President !
True enough, and while we're at it let's forgive Keano, Berba, Carrick and Sol Campbell too.
It's only a game.
Absolutely spot on H. Ghaly has served his time, he was an angry man at the time of his substitution but the shirt throwing gesture was aimed at Jol NOT our great club, he has talent and is a willing runner and tackler and i for one would like to see him given another go.
I am not going to go too far on the Bentley saga, he is class.
And as for signing Defoe's name... wankers. these are probably the same idiots who, instead of giving Gomes encouragement earlier in the season, were calling for Robbo. bent is struggling at the moment, thats obvious, but I bet he was REALLY full of confidence hearing a PORTSMOUTH players name being sung. Like you i would dearly love to see him do well, I'm just glad Pavly cant speak the language yet or he might have thought "whats the point" and then where would we have been.
keep up the good work,
Ello Harry, Nice article! Think you're right about Ghaly n'all but the thing with Bentley is we're all starting to get a bit desperate to see that form he had when at Blackburn. Patience is not always a strong characteristic and never goes well with desperation.
Totally away from what's been said has Gio really been made available?? I truly believe he hasn't been given the chance (If there is more in his absence other than the ankle injury) and like to see him come into the side and given a run out on the wing! Lennon oneside him the other.
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well arent you chaps just wonderful. the seated silent majority blogging there way to an opinion. ghaly stuff was harsh but try standing up having some fun and cracking your face, you might like it.
Well I think you lost your target audience by calling them thick... No one will respond to being called to being called under average intelligence, Maybe you should just beat them with a stick
Well said Harry I offten wonder at each game how long before a choras of stand up if you hate ... starts up;sadly a is BOORING and b we ALAS are so far behind them I m sure said team could nt be a monkeys what we think about them.
Well said Harry apart from the bit about West Ham's fans and Bent, I've always held a fleeting admiration for West Ham's fans, loyal to the core and always very vociferous albeit a touch neanderthal and as for Bent he's not a Spurs type of player and will never be of the quality we require.
Reply to spurs fan:
I don't know... you over estimate them...
Reply to spurs fan:
If the cap fits sonny Jim, an' all that.
I am and always will be a huge Defoe fan, despite the fact he's caught offside far too much. He was 1 player who made me sit up on my seat when within 30 yards so i would love to see him back.
I was encouraged by Pavo's efforts last night, he was hungry, sharp and started to change my opinion of him. I've so far been unconvinced, mainly due to his lack of aggresion, and what i suspected to be a fear of getting stuck in or hurt if needed. He's a big lad who should be putting his weight about more.
As for Bentley i agree. I'm sick of so called fans getting on our players back. His ability is without question, so imagine if he felt comfortable and at ease on the pitch? , not as if every time he touched the ball the fans we're waiting to have a go? usually for trying something inventive.
Lastly, it was nice to see Modric played in centre mid. I would welcome him staying there and maybe have Didi or Jenas with him doind most of the tracking back.
Totally agree.
If he leaves he will be dead to me and you can boo him all you like if he ever comes back to the lane with another club, but while he is a spurs player i want him to do the best he can and will not boo and give abuse to a spurs player. what he did was unacceptable but surely if we boo someone in a spurs shirt thats also just showing disrespect to the spurs badge too? i love spurs and we are in the shit this season and need everyone pulling together or we will be playing in the championship next season, get behind the team, everyone single player.
(although i dont mind the chants for jd because i want him back at the lane and think he we can get him back he will score the goals we need)
Berbatov took a few months to settle, anderton 6 months, and most thought sheringham was useless at first.
A midfield of bentley, jenas, modric, bale - on paper thats quality - 50m worth of quality. Its rednapps job to get a pattern of play that gets the best out of them.
Let's get three things straight here
The fans PAY THE WAGES and HAVE EVERY RIGHT to voice their opinions
Steve Bruce did not give Ghaly a second chance when he attacked Birmingham's training regime and no one said anything about that
You're being very childish and need to learn that insulting those who disagree with you is unacceptable
I don't understand why anyone thinks Ghaly will be given a free ride once he was given the opportunity to redeem himself. As far as I know, Ghaly has not made any public comment to proclaim his remorse, neither has he made any comment to demonstrate his love and admiration for Spurs. 'Arry, King, Woodgate, and most especially Ghaly have to develop a thick skin in the early beginning of Ghaly's return. Preferrably Ghaly should make his return at an away match where there will be less fans to jump on his back. If he redeems himself with some spectacular performances, then his home 'debut' would go a little smoother. As for Defoe, I don't understand what the facination is all about. He is a headless chicken that will never become a world class striker. When he was begged to renew his contract for almost 2 years he refused to do so and kept doing a Campbell until Levy was forced to sell him. Now he has put us in a position where we will have to make a loss on the overall transaction to have him back. I say let us move on and break the bank for a more effective striker like Podolski or Arshvin.
you are wasting your time - the morons probably can't read!
Speaking as a Hammer we don't need any of your imbeciles, but if you know of any billionaires send themn our way!
Posted on the "Wigan" Blog but more applicable to this thread.
So, Galy had one bad day at the office in may 2007 and threw a fit. Who of us hasn't done that? I remember once sweeping everything off my desk (with my arm) in front of my boss and the whole office. I then told him very loudly to fuck off (as i recall he didn't seem to appreciate all of my extra effort on a particularly challenging project). It didn't mean that i hated the firm that i worked with....i just fucking hated him for those few rash minutes. I didn't get fired but i certainly wasn't his favorite employee for a while. I did "come back" however and my bad reaction wasn't held against me in the long term. You see, i was a "performer" for the firm and the boss new that i would channel that type of passion into my work. I am now a "boss" and i'm trying to avoid a situation where one of my guys will be put in a position to tell me to "fuck off", but i'm sure it will happen sooner or later.
Galy is a passionate player who was pissed off at Jol. He was not pissed off at the badge. He had a bad day and he has paid for it. He's been in purgatory ever since that fateful day. He deserves another chance guys. He can contribute and we should let him show us what he can do to help us get out the shite that we find ourselves mired in.
Also, why is everyone on Bentley's back? He's supplying some fine touches and whipping in some beautiful cross balls.
We are sometimes too fucking fickle in my opinion.
I agree. Also, Bent goes off injured and some knobs round where I was sitting were cheering Defoe's name. No matter what you think of Bent, surely that is out of order?? The man is our top scorer, and when he gets subbed for an injury another striker's name is sung...
Reply to Stupid Article:
"Let's get three things straight here"
1.I never disputed freedom of speech, mrather suggesting people ought have something worth saying.
2.What has Steve Bruce got to do with the price of fish?
3.If the cap fits... it's not my fault if it's pointy and has a big D on the front.
Well said H.
Beyond anything else if we have faith in Arry what are we doing booing his decisions ?
Instead of jeering our own players why don't they come up with a decent song for Gomes. He deserves it.
Well, it's obvious 4-4-2 suits us better.
Pav needs someone up front with him, as he looked a hell of a different player last night.
I really wanted to see Ghaly getting on to see if he can add anything to the team. For some reason, I think he can, so I was disapointed when he never got the chance. Those who booed him are knobs of the highest pedigree.
By the way Harry that great video reminds me, did I leave my tight yellow velvet trousers at yours on New Years Eve ?
Reply to weejp:
So playing devils advocate here, so what you are saying is that a passionate under educated spurs fan should listen to what Harry has to say without question is a correct reponse... Well this a tribal sport which produces tribal emotions for many, so to say Harry's point of view is more valid than someone else is frankly wrong... By the way I also believe Ghaly should be another chance, but don't exclude those who don't have the same view as Harry by calling them thick...
defoe scores goals in the premier league which is what we need. he is a proven goalscorer wont need time to settle into the team unlike podolski or arshavin who are have no premiership experience and are a much bigger gamble.
Just as Zokora has shown flashes...I have 3 words to say about Ghaly and all from the UEFA Cup two seasons ago,,,,,Fenerbahce, Fenerbahce, Fenerbahce...He was massive that night in Istanbul.....
Spot on Harry. About Ghaly's skills. "Remember, remember the 5th of November , Chelski win in 2006. It was Ghaly who run show in midfield, not Jenas or Zokora, it was Ghaly.
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But insulting someone who wants to play for Spurs IS acceptable ?
West Ham??? Why do so many new fans see West Ham as our rivals, they're not it's the scum from the Emirates, so let's leave them and Millwall to it eh?
Yes, Ghaly should not have acted like a child the way he did. HOWEVER, for me, that one mistake was already balanced by the passion and determination he showed FOR SPURS after he had 4 teeth kicked out of his mouth by Pamarot in the first minute of a game against Portsmouth. This happened in about the first minute, and he continued playing his hardest until being subbed at halftime (When Jol realized the extent of his injury). I can't think of many Spurs players who would have continued playing the way he did. Most would have f'd off down the tunnel feeling sorry for themselves. Read the game report here:
LINK
He still wants to play for Spurs, and right now we need people who want to play. Our banishment of him has only robbed him of 18 months of growth and development that would surely have improved his game to make him into a better player... a player we desperately need at the moment.
Let's call it even and give the lad a chance to make amends. He's earned it.
Reply to HarryHotspur:
It's clearly idiotic to boo your own players, but do you think Harry should have put him on anyway, or does this mean that the lunatics are now running the asylum?
Reply to spurs fan:
When those with a "different opinion" are showing all the maturity of a pubescent neanderthal sticking his cock in a bee hive in search of gratification, then I will point with a big stick in their direction and exclaim him to be an idiot.
As Roy Walker used to say, "Say what you see".
Morons all over the world are passionate about many different pursuits, from attacking the emergency services, to attacking someone of a different race to themselves. Doesn't make it any less stupid.
Harry you are forgetting something: Ghaly started this all by playing shit in the first place!
But seriously....
I've never been one to vocally criticise a player @ WHL. It does no good when all the players can here is negativity.
How galling must it be for Bent and Pav to here the most vocal fans chanting a name of someone who plays for another club?? Why can't they chant "Pavlyuchenko", he's a yiddo"? I know you have to rush his name, but it still rhymes FFS. Maybe it is a few syllables too long for the great unwashed?
9 goal in 19 appearances for a bloke who cannot speak the lingo and has had some of the worst service so far, AND has played non stop since March, stopping off in Central Europe to play in the Euro's, is damn good.
So many of you on this blog have been asking for players who will battle for Spurs and this bloke Ghaly definitely is one.
yep we have stupid behaviour and its no good undermining the efforts that the team and harry are trying to achieve.
it seems a modern trend to boo for stupid reasons
a new era for spurs now and harry is right .......new stadium etc....
not all spurs fans are small minded
so...............grow up and........move on !!
You have chosen an appropriate nome de plume although Stupid C*nt might be even better. Using your twisted logic I can only assume that you are an anarchist as well. Ghaly is not a great player, he is not even a particularly good one, but that is not the point. He f*cked up and I am sure regretted it immediately. He was frustrated and probably had no idea at the time of the impact and implications that throwing his shirt on the ground would have. Shouty Pointy Bloke threw his toys out of the pram on many occasions when he felt he should not have been substituted, with no long term retaliation from the fans - it is just this shirt thing. Why can't we let it go. He has made a fulsome apology and sacrificed his choppers. He aways played with commitment, if not skill, which is more than can be said for some. There are far more important things to worry about at Spurs - staying up for example. Grow up and get a life.
Reply to onedavemackay:
Well fucking said, sir.
Reply to Alfieconnman:
Hear, hear. Well said.
Hmmmmm. I agree that Ghaly should be given another chance, I think every comment on here so far agrees with that. I also get very frustrated at the amount of boos I here at the lane directed at our own players. Buy I don't agree with what your saying about the Defoe chants. I think the players are intelligent enough to realize he was a player who was loved at the club and is now linked with back with us due to the Redknapp factor. I think the fans are telling the chairman to go and spend the money on him, I don't think they are trying to tell Pav, Bent and Frazier that their shite.
If we are playing Portsmouth fair enough, no Defoe songs. But at the start of the transfer window and when Harry first started is the only time I have heard them.
HH, you mentioned the verse of a song with Bent being chanted, I haven't heard it - someone please enlighten me. Negative chants at our own players is out of order and as you said, Thick.
Reply to IaG:
From the official website 'It was the first time Hossam had been in the 18 for a home game since he threw his shirt down on the touchline after being substituted in a league match against Blackburn in May, 2007.
Hossam apologised for his actions immediately after that game.
"I am just so angry with myself," he said at the time. "I have always considered it an honour to wear the Tottenham shirt and I never intended to show any disrespect.
"I know my reaction was totally wrong. I have apologised to the manager and I also want to apologise to the fans. I hope they don't judge me on this incident alone. I have tried hard for the Club this season."
If i came on as sub, playede muck and was taken off shortly after, id throw my shirt at Jol too cos id be furious with myself, as any one would be. Time to move on.
also ghaly apologised at the time of his shirt throwing incident and in his frustration..........accepted! ......So ??
he is a person like you and me and his efforts recently for the club could be crucial in the remaining games of this season!!
so paying money through the turnstiles and shooting ourselves in the foot
aint very bright!!
Reply to East Lower:
"HH, you mentioned the verse of a song with Bent being chanted"
No, apologies for the confusion - The Defoe chants I felt were a negative thing to do given Bent and indeed Pav were on the pitch...
They may as well have chanted OI, BENT, WE'D PREFER DEFOE...
Harry, spot on.
Felt a tightening of the gut and bile rising in my throat when I heard the deplorable boos when Ghally was about to come on. Haven't any of those self rightoeus pricks who booed their own player never shown a tad of petulism in their sad little lives? And the harping, ultra critical persecution shown to Bentley and a few others, what do they think they're going to achieve other than to destroy morale and hand points to our opponents. Twats the lot of 'em!
Harry this has to be one of your worst articles ever. You have contradicted yourself by saying you support Tottenham and then hopping Bent would score goals against us if he was to leave. What kind of idiot are you???
I agree with you on the Ghaly issue and your right while he wears a spurs shirt we should give him our backing.
In respect to Defoe there is nothing wrong with us chanting his name as we want to see him come back. Bent and Pav are not good enough and its as simple as that.
And as for post 17 from mystic arnold why dont you try singing in a game rather than having a pop at the park lane. We make the atmosphere at the lane so sort your life out.
Finally i have seen what most of you have said about Bentley but the simple fact is he hasn't done it for us yet. When you pay £16-17 mill for someone you expect them to be the complete player we have only seen flashes of good play. And for those picking our best mid-field why have you idiots forgotten about lennon. He is now back to his best and has greater influence on our side going forward than anyone else.
Finally if any of you idiots actually go to a game try getting behind our team. If you guys are that bothered about the chants coming from the Park Lane why dont you start chanting in your stands and we will then follow you. Ask Gomes and Robbo what they think off us.
Reply to GT:
Wow, I totally forgot about this incident. This is one of the many stories that should be told of Ghaly's commitment to Spurs.
Totally agree HH. We're there to SUPPORT. Ghaly knows the score, and if he's willing to try his hardest to impress Redknapp and fight his way back into the team despite his previous antics (Which he has openly apologised for) then i'll SUPPORT him 100%.
I agree totally with post 54. Pav and Bent are not good enough they both have a terrible first touch and they are not good in the air either.
I also agree with what you say about Bentley. This guy should be doing it every week as he is a proven player in the premiership. We paid £16 mill for him so he should show he is worth that price.
As for the idiot in post 17 we only sing stand up if you hate Arsenal as we like to stand and watch football in the park lane. We make all the noise at the lane while you people in the West and North stands do nothing other than cheer when things are going well. The east Stand is ok they try to join in with us.
HH your a total loser. Your not really a Spurs fan are you. Why would you want Bent to score goals against us if he left? Bent does not fit in with our style of football neither does Pav so the sooner we get rid of both the better.
As for Bentley his performances have been ok at best but we paid £16 mill for him. Its not like he hasn't played in the prem before unlike modric so he should be upto the pace.
Agree with post 54. I sit in the North Stand with my daughter and i have to say its totally dead in the first half and only get going in the 2nd half. So you PARK LANE BOYS KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK.
Reply to ciarank:
In that case I owe Ghaly an apology. I hope on Tuesday 'Arry will be brave enough to give Ghaly a starting shirt to test the resolve of the fans. I also hope in the match program there will be reminders of the sacrifices he had made for Spurs in the past, like the incident of losing 4 teeth in a match yet continued playing despite the treat to his life the accident posed.
Reply to Yid Army:
He isnt crap!! He aint Gerrard but he aint crap either. Or can you only remember the Incident?
Reply to Park lane Yid:
"Harry this has to be one of your worst articles ever."
Nonsense, check out the archive. There are some real howlers in there...
Reply to North Stand YID:
Thank you for responding to this article.
I love it when you talk common sense, just wish everybody was forced to read it before entering the ground.
I remember the Dinamo Zagreb game, with spurs 4-0 up and Bent on a hatrick there was still a very vocal section of the support chanting Defoes name. It's not difficult to see why Bent is having trouble finding his previous form. I imagine if I had my predecessors (who was a bit crap but everyone seems to have forgotten) name thrown in my face no matter how I performed I'd probably be all sorts of rattled too.
I hate going to the Lane and hearing us do our best spammer impressions and it's only when another group takes it upon themselves to try and outsing the idiots with something a little more positive do I finally crack a smile. In my eyes you can boo, jeer and insult anyone at the football, as long as they're not wearing the cockrel, in which case it should be all about the positives.
Would love to hear the dickheads who ironically cheered Gomes every move, voice their opinions on him now he has come good.
Reply to onedavemackay:
As you may recall. you auctioned them at about 2am and they are now the property of Mr Frank Bough.
If you see Frank, you might drop into conversation that a pair of GHD tongs and a dwarf by the name of Simon are missig from the suite he enjoyed in the East Wing.
Reply to Park lane Yid:
Defoe is average, we got rid as he wasn't good enough, don't want him back. If we pay more than £10m Pompey fans will (like the Blackburn fans) be pissing themselves!
Remember there wasn't a stampede to sign him from us first time which is why he ended up at Pompey (he's had his usual good 6 month start). Pompey - NOBODY DECENT WANTED HIM and he was available at a knock down price as his contract was running out (why are we chanting for a man who plays for someone else, who wouldn't sign a new contract, forcing our hand and who was great when we first bought him until he got a pay rise then turned shit - sounds like Dyer!). Bent is a bigger version of Defoe only he runs about a bit more, is miles quicker but has a shitter first touch. Pav is a proven international goalscorer, JD is proven at getting caught offside and not cutting it at the highest level - have you watched him play for England? Awful, little boy lost (& that's against the likes of Trinidad!) 6 goals in about 32 games (against absolute dross (poland, Khazak's, T&T & Andorra) - Pav has more goals in fewer games, against decent opposition!
If you're going to chant a player to bring back at least chant for a decent one.
As for Ghaly, I think Arry should have brought him on. Like when PSB returned some idiots started booing only to be drowned out by the majority. I'm sure if he'd have come on the same may have happened, either way the lad would have surely had one hell of a point to prove.
I wasn't at the game last night but I probably would not have booed Ghaly even if I was (did boo Berbatov at the Man Utd game though!). However, the simple fact remains that Ghaly is not good enough to play for us. Yes, heart is a wonderful thing. Justin Edinburgh had heart. Steve Sedgeley and David Howells had heart. Even Toda had heart. Rory Allen had heart, as did Paul McVeigh and the Ginger Pele. Doesn't mean I want to pay money to see them play. I'd rather that we find someone with heart who can play football then just stick him on the pitch because he has a pulse. He has had 2 or 3 good games for us over the years. He's scored a couple of goals - mostly due to bizarre deflections (Besiktas, not Fenerbahce as someone wrote early) and appalling defending (Chelsea) but must have given the ball away 10-15 times a game by trying to beat his man (which he never successfully did) or being too clever for himself (crap backheels). I'd rather have Bentley, Lennon, Jenas, Zokora, Huddlestone, O'Hara, Modric and even Boateng in our midfield any day.
premier league team.
I don't like the guy after what he did - but then I didn't like him before either, at that time because of his footballing ability. And those of you with rose-tinted glasses may find yourselves challenging your recollections when he actually gets on the pitch and reminds us of his past glories again.... if he proves me wrong, I will hold my hands up and admit it. But the fact is that right now he's only near our squad because we are short-handed, and he would not get near the current starting line-up of any contending (and by that I mean top
As for Defoe - as Ferguson once said of Inzaghi, "he was born offside". I love watching him play, I worshipped him at the Lane, but I wasn't that sad to see him go as he was too greedy, permanently offside and had a bad attitude generally. Is he what we need to get out of trouble? Not by my reckoning. I'd take Heskey, Podolski, Crouch, Owen or Bellamy over him.
Reply to Jerd:
"Would love to hear the dickheads who ironically cheered Gomes every move, voice their opinions on him now he has come good. "
You would't mate, North Stand Yid & Co would tell you how they 'improved him' with their 'sports psychology'.....
Absolute ars*holes.
Reply to Ginge1:
I thought Arry bottling it was a disaster...
Reply to Stupid Article:
Agree we pay their wages, so we should get on our own players back and humiliate the club and the fans because we pay to get in?
We should keep giving Bentley stick until he looses all confidence and we have to sell him for 2 million , then he goes somewhere where he is encouraged and his form returns?
Sorry, but if you think last night was acceptable than it is a sad day.
You must of been one of those giving Gomes stick. thank fuck for him he had good support around gim, as if going by your idea, our players should expect no support when the going gets tough from his own fans.
Reply to mark at the park lane:
Bent has no first touch but Pav has a great one, you sound a bit confused.
The dog barks and all the sheep turn.
I find the comments on the cannibals a bit much in that to effect the return of a player widely criticised for his behaviour, the first line of recourse is to turn on (cannibalistically), sections of their own (the apparently thick and the stupid) to support the rationalisation of a changing perspective.
What's really being said is that we now need this guy and so we need people to "get with the program", "do right thing" "take one for the team". This is no big deal except that its couched in a way that says; we have agreed (with our copyright on wisdom) to follow Harry's lead on this and since we are now thus enlightened anyone else who disagrees is thick and stupid.
Personally I've never seen the big deal on Ghaly either as a player or as a miscreant, I thought we'd probably sell him to someone like Portsmouth, its a worry his esteem is suddenly surging and says a bit about our chances of getting players in, that this has come up during the transfer window.....how come no-one wants to buy this guy?
But back to the point. As I said I have no firm view on this, Judas I would not cross the street to piss on if he were burning. But the thing is that with Judas and Ghaly, the fans have demonstrated a right of veto on players they think are not representing what they want to see at the club.
This is not because they are thick or oafs or politically incorrect, its because they pay their money and are therefore entitled to a vote; the only vote they get is to let the players and staff at the club see their approval or displeasure at what is served up.
"Agree with me or you are thick" does not cut it for me, but more importantly the fans are the ultimate voice and that right, bought and paid for, should not be capitualised by sanctimonious condescention from the lofty heights of a blog pulpit, whatever the merits eitherway.
Reply to HarryHotspur:
yes & no. I can see it both ways, he brings him on and the atmosphere changes, crowd start getting on our backs etc. On the other hand I'd have thought Arry was more of a stick two fingers up at em type and I'm not sure we know the real reason he wasn't brought on (maybe to show the chairman that our squad is even weaker than it looks as he can't play Ghaly?)
The daft thing is, who does booing him help? Not the club in any way, if we now say he has to go who's going to pay good money for him? (especially after the Brum debacle!)
Reply to HarryHotspur:
Funny I don't remember that.
I last saw Frank wearing a Leopard skin leotard handcuffed to Michael Barrymore and a radiator in a third floor bathroom.
Reply to HarryHotspur:
Arry's whole mismanagement of the subs was a disaster. Wigan reserves were there for the taking once we scored so why he never brought on Ghaly, KPB or Taarabt for either Bentley or O'Hara is a mystery.
If Ghaly had half the chnaces that Zokora has had we may have a half decent squad player.
As for last night's booing, it was almost sinister in its volume and from various parts of the ground. Was it really all over a shirt incident? I wonder.
Reply to Finn:
I take your point as most of us who agree with Harry are thick as well
Reply to Finn:
We have a voice that should be heard but at what cost.. "because we can"??
I could putchase a stolen TV, but hey I have paid for it so it's ok?? What about what is the morally right thing to do? 30000 people in the ground, possibly hundreds of thousands watching on TV, we prevent our manager from bringing on a player that "HE" thinks will benefit the team, but in front of all these people he has to sit him back down. Tell me that is in the best interest of THFC?
But hey we pays our money right!
Football aside nobody should be treated like that, but hey fuck him right we paid to get in and so what if we embarras HR,THFC or GHALY we paid!
Reply to mark at the park lane:
Mark on a more serious note. Is there any chance the park lane can come up with a song for Gomes. I think he's the bollocks has come through a difficult few months and will become a top keeper.
He needs and deserves his own anthem.
See if you can use your influence.
Reply to Finn:
He who shouts loudest?
My impression of Ghaly judging by the blogs on this site as well as others is that on the whole the majority of fans seem to be of the 'give him a 2nd chance' Those that make the most noise get their point across even though they may be in the minority and may influence the actions of both the manager and the club as a whole. Is this right?
Surely a man who throws his shirt on the ground once, makes that one mistake is entitled to be given another chance? What if those that have booed are thick oafs? judging by what I am reading on here a lot of those people also think Defoe was a world beater and so in my mind these people could be described as simple or thick as he quite clearly wasn't
If you look at the footage of the 'shirt' incident Ghaly rips off his shirt and throws it in the direction of the manager. He does not throw it on the ground and stamp on it. Clearly he was making a statement about being substituted not his relationship with THFC. The guy deserves another chance!
Reply to Finn:
"Agree with me or you are thick"
Where is this quote from?
"This is not because they are thick or oafs or politically incorrect, its because they pay their money and are therefore entitled to a vote; the only vote they get is to let the players and staff at the club see their approval or displeasure at what is served up. "
Ayone who jeopardises the performace of the entire team beacause of the idiotic manner they go about demonstrating their displeasure is either thick or the enemy within.
Given I find it unbelievable we have been infiltrated by an enemy force out to depose us, I have concluded those responsible are in actual fact, not that bright.
Having earnt the right to vote is tremendous news. Tickets bought and paid for unfortunately only earn admission to the premises and not the right to destroy team morale and generally ruin the game for the rest of us.
I was also against the proposed flyer waving idea. This was also on the grounds it was another stupid, ill concieved idea that would backfire and unsettle the players.
Reply to onedavemackay:
DHL rang. Jimmy Krankie was at Edinburgh Waverly as you suggested. Face painting tourists outside a coffee shop. They assure me they will use a wooden and not cardboard packaging next time.
Reply to northants yid:
Guess who has scored the most goals this Bent or Defoe.
Reply to onedavemackay:
Here, here - said it from day one the guy is class. Fair play he dropped a couple early on, but unlike most keepers he tries to influence things and doesn't play in divers boots like most keepers in the league who don't make many mistakes but take zero chances by remaining clued to their line.
I never thought the 'we pay their wages we can subject them to whatever abuse we like' argument really held up. A simple analogy would be me paying to go to watch a band or play, and then shouting obnoxiously if I wasn't completely satisfied. It seems only in football is this behaviour encouraged?
Don't get me wrong I've cursed many a player, and I imagine I'll be muttering many more curses over the season. But to boo and jeer your own players and then be delusional enough to believe that it is in any way beneficial to the needs of the club just reeks of stupidity.
If you must focus mindless hatred or petty vendettas at the pitch I'd much rather they were aimed at the other lot.
On Ghaly,
If you look at the angle from which the shirt was thrown and the form in which it came to rest, you can determine that it was both a sign of displeasure at both Jol and the Club. I lay awake at night thinking about that incident. To be honest, I don't know how to feel. Oh, and it turns out he only lost 3 1/2 teeth. The fourth was split. Apon hearing that it was not all four teeth that were kicked out, I'm not really all that impressed with him staying on the pitch. I mean, what the hell, three teeth? Now 5 teeth, thats grit and determination.
Oh, and how bout not booing our own players. It seems that without them we wouldn't have this beloved club.
Reply to HarryHotspur:
Harry, your banging your head against a brick wall.
What Ghaly did was wrong but what those supporters that made Redknapp have to sit our own player back on the bench was unforgivable in my opinion.
I realise football is about opinions but I felt ashamed last night and reading some of the messages on here, it appears that I obviously that minority is larger than I had hoped. I hope Redknapp gives the boy another chance.
Agree with your comments on the boy bentley. I think we were all expecting more staright away due to his form at his lat employers and the anticipation, build up and hype that surrounded his move to the lane. However he is a talent and one that will only get better as the team impoves it's game.
Now about the boy Ghaly - even during his golden era at the club (he did have a few good games) I was firmly in the "Ghaly is no jason dozzel" camp. The whole shirt throwing thing was despicable and his loan spell antics were, well stupid.
The spurs faithfull have not had an oppurtunity to vent there anger since that fatefull night of flying fabric and to some (the minority it would seem) they wanted to make their feelings known. To many fans the shirt is hugely symbolic and despite the fact it is just a bit of cloth the wearing of it is a privilidge that should mean alot to people.
But there is little point re-rasing all that, we talked about that after the incident. what i'm trying to say is...
To be Honest, If i had manged to be at the game I would have probably joined in withh the boo boys. I know that makes me a moronic losser but it's the truth. I don't like him and don't want him playing for my team.
Please don't hate me.
'As for last night's booing, it was almost sinister in its volume and from various parts of the ground. Was it really all over a shirt incident? I wonder.'
Another New Coach, could you clarify that please?
Are you suggesting there's an anti-Arab contingent behind the dug out, or is my imagination on the run?
Reply to TMWNN:
"I was 'it by a flip flop durin' the first alf but I just fort it was Tim or one of the lads muckin' abaht"
'A Redschnapps.
Well Said Harry,
Leave Ghaly Alone now, He made a mistake, Why are some of our fans so Thick!!!!
Ghaly can pass a ball, maybe he can teach Zokora and Jenas how to play a 5 yard pass
Reply to HarryHotspur:
I agree with everything mentioned above 100%, last week right here i even said that Ghaly should be given his shirt back, at the end of the day he is still a young man who wants to play his football, if he makes a comeback producing some great performances all those who were booing him would be the first ones to jump up and down and sing his name loud out,i bet my bottom dollar.
Ghaly did play for this club during Jol era, also were a regular member of a team who finished the league 5th twice,even though he was a regular in the second 5th place finish season,he even played through pain with a broken teeth but no one mentions any of that.
Not a world class talent but a Spurs player and booing your own player no matter how good or bad is as far as i am concerned a scumbags attitude and disrespect the shirt to start with.
Easiest thing in life is to put shit on others and always pick on the negatives of someone which we all think will cover our own faults..
No one is perfect including Ghaly..
F*ck off Ghaly
F*ck off Bentley
F*ck off Harry
Off topic, but...
Defoe death threats ... LINK
Reply to Fan:
Thank you for responding to the appeal.
Reply to TMWNN:
That's grim.
Mind you they probably have Press Ganging in the blood down there....
on defoe maybe the fans are just desperate for another forward and couldn't help themselves...as we all know we need one this window...whoever it is....but we should not pay over £12million for defoe....if it is to be him....
most of us who love the spurs have been to the lane....i've only ever sat in the south or east stands....and have heard it quiet as a church,listen to amazing away fans,seen one huge bloke 10 rows down try and get half the south stand singing....on his own...and fondly remember the whole south stand singing glen hoddles blue and white army for about 15/20 minutse solid....which got everybody going in the end...aaahh...happy days....
personally if your getting yourself down the lane then that's good enough for me....keep it up...!!
Reply to HarryHotspur:
Probably. No peadiatricians though.
Great post Harry, as evidenced (if that's a word, but you know what I mean) by the lengthy trail of responses.. Booing our own players and singing the names of those who aren't ours? Barking. In a knockout cup tie? Barking bonkers. As for Defoe - thanks Jermain, you did well for 3 of your 4 years. Never go back. Bellamy is a nasty little oik, but he's harder to play against and, like Robbie when he arrived, he's ready to BE Spurs... Not popular, but he gets my vote.
Init funny how everyone thinks Ghaly should be given another chance .. suddenly!!
Not one fucker did last night tho, did they?
I gave up my season ticket for things like this. Ramon Vega against Wednesday. It's not because I didn't wanted to be associated with ignorant idiots that didn't know better it's that I knew most of the people I heard spouting bile knew better.
I've rarely felt as sick as when I saw Ghaly sit down last night. The reason it has been all over the net since is beecause it was so wrong. I sat laughing at the Goons a couple of weeks ago for less than this. At least their guy got on the pitch. It makes me ashamed to be Spurs for the first time in 30 years.
I don't care how much it costs. If anyone wants to put their hand up, I'll pay £40 to come to your office and boo you all day. People who booed say they support Spurs, buy a dictionary. You just use Spurs to get rid of your hatred for having a crap job or a small cock. If you previously called yourselves a Spurs supporter, please amend your title to, I use Spurs for my own failings. HH, top as always.
on another note....well done southend and forest...great results...
Harry - Genius
G - Outstanding...
I love the idea of paying someone £40 then just standing by their desk all day and calling them a useless c**t.
To all those people that say we pay the wages, are they forgetting about the sponsorship money, prize money, TV money etc. etc. It's been about 40 years since the man in the flat cap at the turnstile paid the wages - nowadays we just about cover the Kenco & Highland shortbread in the executive lounge.
Reply to Some bloke:
Wanker. No-one's going to sing the blokes name or suck his cock just yet but he's still allowed a chance to prove his worth though.
When he played before I never once noticed him fucking about with his hair, so that's a bonus.
I've been saying since Harry gave him a number that he might be useful.
In case some divs like you don't realise: look at the table, WE'RE IN THE SHIT and players with heart are welcome (and much needed).
Cunts.
Reply to HarryHotspur:
Lets get 3 things straight here.
1. this blog attracts mainly armchair fans who regurgitate what they have read in the guardian over breakfast as they have no real opinion of their own.
2. Ghaly is a c**t
3. I think you proved point 3 Harry
Maybe another populist idea for the 'I pay the wages' brigade would be to dig up Hughie Green and his clap-o-meter. Then Harry could get the squad to stand up one at a time and we could cheer or boo until the final starting line-up was settled. Any player not making the grade could then be publicly stoned in the car park.
Reply to b32Shelfside:
I've never seen so many things straightened in one night since ODM took me to meet his tailor, Ophelia Balls.
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The phrase 'armchair fan' is wielded by a certain type of protagonist as if it revealed a hithertoo enormous weakness.
'And I can reveal to the jury that the defendant was in fact, seated in an ARMCHAIR whilst viewing said football match.'
Where should we be you c***? On a circus high wire, wing walking on a biplane, curing the blind in an African hospital?
Please tell me you have come here armed with more than a swipe at Guardian readers, a few ticket stubbs and a sense of your own importance.
Please.
We cant sing for defoe because it upsets the players and the performance?
Perhaps the players should look at themselves in the mirror then.
They should be giving 100% percent no matter what, period. Fuck me, they are pro's on 40 odd grand a week playing the game they love(?). Thats exactly why we are where we are in the league, we have to many week minded players. Pushovers. give up to easily. No confidence. No bottle. No die of the team mentality. Fuck em, boo the fucking lot of them. (bar-dawson(yeah i know, you cant say he don't try though) See im struggling now to name more already. erm.
Now go any of the top four and name me their die for the cause mentaly strong players who play for the love of the game and club. Yes, there are lots in each team.
S not rocket science why we are rubbish atm.
We have no soul.
Jermaine DoftheF, Name me players in the currant first team who would try more for the badge..under harry that is. He knows how to get the best out of him.
Seriously, except gomes woody modric(ish) BAE of late. You could put the rest up for sale and i would not care one single bit.
Moronic chanting fans?
Or just yids sick of players taking the piss out of our club for the last few years.
Me, im sick of it.
So fu HH and your PC society attitude.
Get the bigger picture.
And enjoy your few hrs sitting working out some smart assed answer at your leisure.
Id rather see S perryman and G Roberts mabbsy Gazza, waddle, and a million others playing for us at there age atm.
No one cares anymore and im pissed about it.
You may have just guessed.
This is not just happening at our Club. It is endemic of society today.
A recent newspaper article highlighted the booing debate
LINK
Now, if you have read that ask yourself something….do we really want to be the same as those wandering nomads from up the road?
I’m of the belief that if a player is struggling he needs as much fan support as possible i.e. focus on what the player is doing right, not moan and groan about everything he does to your displeasure. If you are trying to motivate a specific player by booing, you usually end up making him more panicky and timid. It’s counterproductive to the cause of the team and to the individual that you are presumably trying to inspire.
Being a ticket holder doesn’t give you the right to boo. Booing is free so why not just sit at home and boo as much as you want. Also, where on the ticket does it guarantee that the players will not make mistakes?
An earlier post under the “Welcome Craig Bellamy to the Lane” thread described David Bentleys wonder goal against the Woolwich Wanderers “a little trick”. Some trick eh! To score such wonder goal - executed in a red hot cauldron of a local derby – away from home whilst your team is struggling for form.
Magically moments like that make young people future supporters of our Great Club. How many times to hear of a person talk about that wonder goal, or a moment of magic by a former Spurs great, that captured their heart and imagination leading them to become lifelong Spurs Supporters – often!
Any player that is capable of doing that, capturing the hearts and minds of future generation of Spurs supporters, needs our support and belief during the game to help him achieve all he can be. And if not, then at least we did all we could do as match attending supporters to help him fulfill his potential to the greater good of THFC.
Reply to Astromesmo:
Invaluable work Astromesmo
So to recap, as I'm handing out Instructional Flyers tomorrow:
1. Boo some sense into them.
2. Stone some sense into the rest.
That's good. It's to the point and most important of all ...monosyllabic.
Champions League here we come!
Reply to 1kashola:
Two excellent comments.
Reply to frontwheel:
"When he played before I never once noticed him fucking about with his hair, so that's a bonus."
Reply to matt:
that was an enjoyable rant to read matt....but don't be too pissed....i can assure you that i care...HH and lot's of his bloggers care and i'm pretty sure harry and most of our players care....although it might appear that they don't some matchdays.....otherwise we may aswell all go and and follow man utd....but we won't....
Anyone else fed up with the the 'tail chasing' breed of Spurs fan?
i.e 'Ghaly is a c**t'.... or what about the old moan that spurs have a furry soft underbelly that often loves to be rolled over and tickled.... or what about the one that goes along the lines of '(insert player name) would not play in a top four side'
BORING!! 3points to consider in response to this.
1. Yes Ghaly may have been a c**t. He done the crime he paid the time. I pray he and Redknapp have the balls to shun the boo boys and do the talking on the pitch. I personally will cheer him to a (hopeful) redemption
2. ...by doing so we may just spurn the typical 'Spurs Way', erradicate our soft touch tag, get in some 'orrible f**kers and battle our way out of the mess we find ourselves in. (not mentioning a semi-final and the other cup competitions that we still have a shot at)
3. Wake Up. We are not a top four side. We're in a scrap.
So to all those who are still rapidly becoming dizzy.... go lie down. By offering nothing but problems you are the problem.
To all those who seek a solution... get behind ALL our boys.
COYS BIOYC
Harry, your command and dexterity with the written English word is exceeded only by your pertinent views and cutting wit, which I would describe as rapier like.What Ghaly did was wrong, childish and more to the point showed a total lack of respect and more importantly a lack of understanding of what our great club means to the people that follow it, however as the saying goes let he who is without blame throw the first stone, or something like that, you take my point I'm sure.
Harry hotspur. Do me a favour. Re-post your article from when ghaly threw his shirt on the floor against Blackburn, and the subsequent posts. You and half the 'spurs' fans would have been saying how he should never be allowed to wear the shirt again. Prove me wrong and i will apologize, but I bet you can't.
Reply to stoney:
I'll dig out the links.....
Reply to xildnparadise:
No Besiktas Besiktas Besiktasa you f*ckwit. Like confusing Spurs with Ar5ena1!!!!!
BTW whats thf is the dodgy deep purple vid aboput hh? special request from Baldrick?
it is the negative way isn't it....there were more people that did not boo at ghaly than did...but of course we only get to hear the negative affect of the situation.....
do we really care if ghaly is sold in the window,no....would we of liked the whole ground to give ghaly a hearty welcome only for him to come on and play well,probably
should harry of brought him on anyway and showed everyone who's boss,yes.....answers on a postcard....coys
Reply to MartinJolsBaldHead:
well remembered.....2-0....ghaly and sshh berba
Reply to KOJAC:
Spot on
Reply to HarryHotspur:
LINK
LINK
LINK
That was far less painful than I anticipated. OleOle are not shit. It's official.
The second link has your 'money shot' - ie the Workshy Fop piece in August '07 which I mentioned in this current blog, however by October '07 I had suggested we give him a second chance....
LINK
Hope that sheds some light on what it was you wanted, mate.
Reply to MartinJolsBaldHead:
The song's called 'Hush' - geddit?
Never has a reference to a song been so badly placed.
You want us to hush because you are in love with ghaly and you think he is calling your name.
Reply to ian:
As bad as the booing was - in particular the chilling cheer when he put his coat back on, it may indeed have served a purpose in giving some 'closure' as our American cousins might phrase it.
Let's hope so.
Reply to James:
No you mentalist, I want the booers to hush because they are spoiling it for the others.
Harry spot on as usual.
First time at the lane last night for a couple of months, and a timely reminder why I have chosen to spend less of my hard earned on Spurs.
Booing a player who plays for us, chanting for a player who does not. Clever.
First time the goalkeeper gets the ball somebody behind pipes up "Where's your spear?"
Maybe he collects spears, maybe not?
Unsure when i will go again. And if we don't sell out on Tuesday then I know I'm not alone.
I think this is why when any mangager at spurs is out to buy a new player they must always look at their temperament and emotional sensitivity. If they need a lot of loving and care to keep their morale up and play well and are fragile the spurs fans will soon bring them down and you will never get the best from them. So players that have thick skins are the order of the day Harri for straters.
Reply to TonyGalvinsShinpads:
I was unaware that Gomes had such a hobby.
How very f***ing depressing. And these nasties are the very same who tell you at length just how there £30 entitles them to 'voice their opinion'.
Scum.
Reply to HarryHotspur:
yeah i geddit. Same about the dodgy vid tho. Give the boy ghaly a break. He's crap but wears a spurs shirt. i never booed ian moores or ramon vega.
Reply to HarryHotspur:
Wigan goalkeeper, not ours. I can be found in the Park Lane so often fail to see any goals!
I think Gomes collects clogs.
Reply to TonyGalvinsShinpads:
Ooooh, him, sorry - he collects spears alright and his father in law is by profession a Tiger Polisher.
A bloke on that BNP list told me.
Reply to HarryHotspur:
Probably knows Adebayors dad then.
Same source told me he worked in a zoo.
Reply to TonyGalvinsShinpads:
I share your sentiments. The 1st song of the evening was for JD. The tiresome ‘stand up’. Neither song concentrated on our own team. This then followed by the constant moaning and heckling of DB – then more of JD, while Bent was being subbed!?! - capped off by the Ghaly booing – all detracted what was a great and very much needed home win.
If we did not get the win last night the fans would have been the 12th man, the opposing team’s 12th man.
Gomes did get a lot of chants and praise last night because he’s been doing well which was not so much the case when he was struggling.
We can all do our bit on match days to stop WHL becoming like those ignorant nomads up the road.
Reply to HarryHotspur:
shock horror! an argumentative response. Nobody could consider you predictable Harry!?!
I was originally plumming for fair weather fans, however that seemed too generous and unvalid considering the overwhelming lack of knowledge demonstrated by most of the postees.
Those who attend matches gain a different perspective to those who watch every other uefa cup game on ITV and write self rightiousness blogs upon things for which they know so little. I feel your opinion would be altered if you were paying ££££ to line the pockets of players that don't give a toss about the club or the fans. But instead, you pay ££££s for your lazyboy recliner, with your mouse in one hand and a prawn sandwich in the other, proffesing to having a more valid opinion than anyone who wishes to disagree with you.
COCK OFF HARRY
Reply to 1kashola:
In fairness the stand up song is used for that specific reason. To get people standing.
Man U visit and we are encouraged to stand up, on other occasions we are treated as children.
I am in the South lower, standing up represents the same danger to my health as getting my hair cut. Probably a lot less if my barbers been out the night before.
Gomes needs a chant. Top quality in a team lacking it. And too "fans" were quick to say he was shit. You know nothing!!!
Not two fans, i was missing a many in that sentence.
Although i do know two fans who said Gomes was shit. Dedicated to you two in block 35, you know who you are.
why do some people have it in for the internet and blogging fans....i have family in north london so if and when i can afford it...going to a game is no problem for me....but seeing as i'm in the west country right now....the internet is fucking great....i can see every spurs game....without the murdoch mortgage....
there is nothing i hate more than newspapers and jounalists....fucking negative pricks most of them....we can cut out the middle men and do all that shit ourselves....without paying them naff all...thank fuck for the internet...i feel better now.......
Reply to TonyGalvinsShinpads:
Agreed the 'stand up song' can be used for specific reason - How about we change it to 'stand up if you love tottenham' - that was the overwhelming feeling from my group last night.
Reply to 1kashola:
Harry Hotspurs - perhaps you could start a fresh thread for a HH competition to come up with the best Gomes chant for match day.
Nothing like a common cause to concentrate the minds and unite the clan!
Night Night x
Reply to 1kashola:
I'd stand up every time for that one
Reply to KOJAC:
Plenty of people who use this blog and others may not see every game but are still long term fans who have done their time.
Well said.
I do smile at the comments made by Hossam Ghally during his short tenure at B'ham. I understand he was to be heard moaning about the continued training programme that centred around running and of course more running... (Alrite if your names Forest I guess)
Steve Bruce chases him back down the M6 nd M1 telling him he's never to show his face again.
What does this tell us ? Well it tells me that Ghally saw through Bruce's shoddy training. When we going to do Phases of play boss..? You keep running son..! When we going to do Functional practices boss ? Dont worry about that son you keep running...Bruce has never struck me as a manager who concentrates on the more complicated aspects of the game like dribbling, passing and shooting... One BIG hoof up the pitch and get the donkey (Heskey) to run on to it... Same style of play adopted by a number of clueless managers in the past some of whom have even had the pleasure of manageing the national side and offering the same type of football....
Fair play Hossam.. tell it like it is fella. ;0)
Reply to b32Shelfside:
It is a pity that you are so unconfident in your contribution that you have to announce this with COCK OFF HARRY after it.
Anyway, your opener of knocking me for being argumentative is surreal.
You came on here and had a dig at me first. I didn't come round your house and shout thru your letterbox.
So spare me the mock theatrics that when I reply to you and it isn't written like a vicar wrote it.
You are right that being at the games gives a different perspective. But your sense of how the money works is a little naive.
As a revenue stream we client reference numbers ceased being number one a long time ago.
And finally, anybody who does profess to have an opinion that is 'more valid' as you put it, than that of others doesn't last very long around here.
So I'd worry more about your longevity as a HH poster before getting wrapped up in cliched speculation as to my dining habits.
Reply to TonyGalvinsShinpads:
that's right....there is nothing better than watching live at the lane....i wish i could everygame...but it ain't possible....oneday...maybe if i'm rich enough a lovely new box in the naming rights....prawn sandwich in one hand.....bollinger in the other...haha...coys
Agree give Ghaly another chance I don't think Ghaly is that good but its Harrys decision not mine.
but I hope he proves me wrong.
Defoe would love him to come back I think he wants to come back, its all depends on whether pompey get into the real world with the price.
Bentley leave the boy alone he will come good get off his back.
Bent Im not sure its working with him he doesn't look happy
Harry is he manager let him manage.
We are the supporters we should support.
Reply to TonyGalvinsShinpads:
And my view entirely, Kojac & TGS
This 'I go to the Lane every game' routine is fantastic news for those who can, but this blog is not only global but non discriminatory.
How the hell is a guy in Hong Kong less of a fan? How the hell is a guy on shit wages less of a fan?
If you're a better fan than the one next to you, you're on the wrong bloody blog.
Reply to HarryHotspur:
Keep it up H.
Argue with whoever you want, say whatever you want. I'll keep coming back for more.
Burnley on Tuesday, a 2 goal lead (minimum) is all i ask.
A goodnight from me.
and a goodnight from him......
I dont think that unconfidence is always portrayed through expressions of exasperation Harry. More so a hidden face with qwerty tattood on the forehead.
Naivity is something that us mere mortal posters posses, But in this instance it doesn't alter the fact that I pay thousands each season following my team home and away. Regardless of whether this is the 1st, 2nd, 3rd or 10th revenue generator, It has still gone towards paying a player to sulk for a season.
Reply to b32Shelfside:
nicely put shelfside
i don't want to get involved with your ongoing battle,but i do think home and away supporters should have a batphone direct to levy's desk,as they are the most important people at the club....well they are the club....i'm a laptop watching fan and want to thank match day going supporters...for turning up...
Reply to b32Shelfside:
"us mere mortal posters posses"
There you go again, running yourself down and why the 'we' you alluding to represent some group?
May I suggest you stick to first person unless you're here with a mandate.
You refering to Ghaly as a sulker? If so I am confused. He hasn't been refusing to play - like Berbatov for example. He had his jacket off the other night, but you called him a **** and he put it back on.
You've made an investment, not only financially but emotionally.
Quite how coming on here and trying to bash me up will rectify things for you I cannot guess. But I suppose the angst had to come out somewhere.
....................................................I bluntly tell people to be better supporters and .........you have a bleeding heart and a suitcase full of reciepts.
I can see the situation a little more clearly now.
My prescription is to cheer the Lilywhites on even harder than ever.
My prognosis is that you may die trying.
Reply to COYScanada:
You should have been sacked in my opinion - that's indefensible and your disrespect shown to your boss undermines his position and shows a complete lack of professionalism.
Ghaly was a tw@t - let's be honest. Should he come back? Yes.... if he's a strong enough character - he'll ride out the boos - put in a few decent performances and win over the vocal minority. However, I doubt he's got that strong a personality (i.e. Cristiano Ronaldo) and is actually that good. I mean let's face it - he was an average player at best. The fact that we're having a debate over some f*cking average journeyman with a sh*te attitude is -frankly- a joke.
Sorry have not had a chance (as i usually do) to read all posts but my stance on the matter is this.
We were in many ways right to jeer ghaly on friday . But there is where it must stop. We the fans are the voice of the club and i feel that whether we are praising or slating our players we are showing our true expression and desire which we deserve as loyal fans to do. (do you know how cold it was that friday night at the lane?..........and it was on telly)
But i'll tell you whos name i'll be calling when tuesdays game kicks off, no defoe actually, but ghalys. we have let him know we expect more and he needs to do better, now lets get behind him, come on he's a TOTTENHAM PLAYER. was it not him who had his teeth smashed in for us once??? was it?? I recall kevin keegan tearing his shirt off once AND having a scrap on the pitch. how many other players have also done that and has their commitment been in such question??
time to move on give him his chance, he's obviously been doing his business in the reserves/training sessions to warrant a run out over taarabt 'the genius'
lets hope harry can use him and he can prove his worth, even if we do flog him in jan. lol
as for dos santos. come on he's not really gonna sell him. is he??
Reply to Danny:
You miss the point sunshine. The fact that he is "an average player at best" does not justify the treatment he received. The actions of the moronic minority who adopt the attitude that "I've paid my £30 so I can crap all over the team if I want to" is actually equivalent to a cheer for the opposition. Harry was forced into a substitution he did not want to make i.e. Lennon instead of Ghaly. If Lennon had been injured in those last few minutes we would be in even bigger shit than we are now. Harry has recently pointed out that of the squad of 50 that sit down for dinner only 14 are currently realistically capable of first team football at present so obviously his resources are stretched pretty thin. Picking on individuals in the opposing team has always been fair game - Eric Gates is a wanker, is a wanker - Sunderland, murderer etc. etc. - sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. Picking on players in your own team never works, it undermines not only their confidence but other players around them. I want Spurs to win every game and I get depressed when they don't but I get even more depressed when the actions of other so called fans effectively reduce our chances even more.
Reply to Danny:
I would agree that i deserved to be sacked, but there again when i said it i was quite prepared to accept that outcome. I always consider the consequences of my actions before hand. In terms of "undermining" his position I can assure that what he said to me first, in front of others, only served to undermine his own authority. He was a "bully" you see...the Eastern European type of bully if you know the type. However you are also right that it was entirely unprofessional behavior on my part. But i was too good at what i do to be fired by the cunt. It would have hurt his business to fire me....and i knew it.
Galy disrespected Jol with his petulant display and he was without doubt unprofessional in his behavior. He has however apologized for his stupidity and has been well and truly punished for his mistake. This team needs all the help it can get at this point in time and for a bunch of stupid, juvenile fans to boo and influence the manager's decision to play Galy is outrageous. So fucking journeyman or not I say play him and see if he can make a difference. If he fucks up again he done. If he fucks up again he's stupid. But give him a chance and let Harry make the fucking decisions.
I take it that judging by your response you agree with my comment regarding Bentley?
We are in 3 cups and and the league and booing our own players when the weakest area these days is the midfield....
Sheer idiocy!
Lastly a small section of the crowd cannot dictate who we sub and wo we do not. I dont know why Harry let those guys get to him.... Would you negotiate with terrorists holding Santa hostage at Harrods?
Play him. He is a hardman with an engine.
Reply to Alfieconnman:
Thanks for clarifying the point for Danny. I was simply trying to use the example of my own stupid behavior to illustrate the point.
Good job Galy and i didn't work for Danny.
Harry ur a stupid cunt, go fuck yourself. You are not a yid, you should take down the website as all you do is post shitty articles about complete bollocks that are so shocking I fall for it and click on it every time! You are not a Tottenham fan clearly. I was at the game against Blackburn, last home game of the season, looking to go out on a high when that miserable little waste of space was tactically removed from the game saving him further embarrassment at his clear lack of ability. The ungrateful little cunt who is lucky he ever got to pull on a spurs shirt completely disgraced the club that night and should have been taken out back and shot in the head! I took more offense to the shirt throwing than I would if i came home and found him in bed with my wife, the little cunt should have been moved on and never welcome back inside WHL again but fucking cocks like you protest and protest because you dont want to be seen as the "minority" as you put it, well ive got news for u harry, ur the fucking minority u cunt, I bet youve had sol campbell round for dinner with berbatov since their snivveling departures to greener pastures aint ya! you are the dying breed my friend and the sooner you and all the other old grandad cunts on here realize that footballs moved on since the 30's, the better. GO FUCK URSELF!
Reply to Steve:
Didn't you know that this is where all the old granddad cunts come to play Steve? We like it here mate. You are obviously a "wet behind-the-ears" little prick who has yet to realize that age brings wisdom. So here's some wisdom for you...fuck off and come back when you're a granddad....then you will be qualified enough and respectful enough to understand the points being discussed here.
Reply to Steve:
1. Thanks for responding to the appeal.
2. Next time you take your brain for a s*** could you do it on someone else's blog.
3. "I was at the game against Blackburn, last home game of the season, looking to go out on a high"
Don't tell me - there was postal strike, your giro never landed, you cancelled your heroin and were forced to sniff the gas out of your clipper instead.
save time readin through all this blog just go to the comments from the park lane yids - clearly they know there football over all the arm chair prawn sandwich inbreds. i blame harry for not just putting ghaly on , how he is totally fooked having the embaresment to sit back down . should have faced the music. fcuk defoe lets move on - he was a bit of a moaner - no loyalty . couldnt understand why lennon wasnt on the pitch v wigan - we could so easily have drawn that match .we were a tad lucky -wigan looked good - but will probably slip down the league as a result of that loss .lets get lee barnard back from southend !!!!!!!
Harry, thank god for having the balls to say it....i aint got the time to read all the responses as i am off to church (
) but anyone who says any of the following arent living in the real world;
1. we pay their wages...blah blah blah-what a load of cock, my boss pays my wages and he cant even criticise me without making it formal and constructive (do you know what this word means??)
2. Freedom of speech blah blah blah - yes fine and as long as its not insulting then go for your life. How would you lot like a work colleague standing up in your office calling you a cunt and saying the bloke who left last week was better than you.
Anyways, off to church now to pray that the minute moron fraternity wake up and smell the coffee.
Reply to Alfieconnman:
No no - I get the point completely, moonshine - some of these fans live and die by their Tottenham support and for them what Ghaly did is unforgivable etc, etc.
We can't change the minds of these people. When the original incident happened, I shouted in a fit of emotion "What kind of fans are you?" - at which point I got offered outside by a highlighted mullet-sporting in-bred.
I then realised that Ghaly is actually average and not worth defending. You guys keep saying this is the 'minority'. If it's the minority then tell me why Redknapp went back on his substitution? Fact is, there are a load of petty people who can't let bygones be bygones - and Ghaly isn't actually worth defending on the basis of his service to the club... I'd rather bring in Bostock, Parrett, Maghoma, Livermore, Townsend - if we're so damn short of reserves and bodies.
Jesus...
Reply to HarryHotspur:
thank you HH for pointing out that us yids from the southern hemisphere can't go to the games, so we rely on your good self & all the others to let us know what is happening over there. I've been a yid for 35yrs, never been to a game, never been to the UK, but I live Spurs all day every day.... OOHH dear that sounds abit sad.
Reply to Bacon Flavoured Snack Head:
I am with you on supporting our team but one player who should never,never be forgiven is sol cambell. never, never, never.
I am confused now!
I haven't been to a match for years but I did have a season ticket at one time.
Am I allowed to comment or have I forfeited my right as I don't go to matches now.
Please someone let me know whether I am allowed an opinion.
Well Arry,
It's like this me old cobber, Just because we are in the bush in Australia with 500 Kms to the next town, it does not mean that we do not eat or sleep spurs You see that we are all over the world. I had an old brown snake under the house the other day and I got the bastard by the neck and he was spitting venom at me and I thought to myself being a BROWN snake you must be one of the ARSE mob so I broke the fuckers neck and sang glory, glory, Tottenham Hotspur and the SPURS go marching on...on...on
All you SPURS do not worry WE and I mean WE will be O.K.
Say G"Day have a smile on the auld clock , remember me I have to get up at 4 in the morning to have the privledge of watching my beloved SPURS.
rEPLY TO 2DAYARRY GOOD ON YA WE CANT ALL GO TO WHITE HART LANE BUT OUR SOUL IS THERE EVERY MATCH.LOVE YA ALL COYS
Couldn't see it commented on above, but did you see the HR quote about our squad and his belief that we only have 14 or 15 premiership standard players currently. That's a pretty big statement to make, and one that I'd have thought quite damaging to those trying to push in. Running through it, you'd have to say the 15 consists of the regular starters for example:
Gomes, Corluka, King, Woodgate, Jenas, Zokora, Mods, Bentley, Lennon, Thudd, Pav, Bent, BAE, Bale, Dawson.
You can argue with the 15 but whatever way you look at it, you are then leaving players such as O Hara, KPB, Ghaly, Taarabt, Gunter, Campbell, Rocha, Cesar and GDS.
Just thought it was very negative after saying positive things about the likes of taarabt and whilst maybe not ready for all games, the others would at least be good squad players
Reply to steve1987:
A Private Members panel will advise you of your position in seven to ten working days.
In the interim please refrain from everything. We will let you know.
Yours pompously,
Edward Hitler [secretary]
That is why we are known as fickle fans - we love love other clubs players and hate most of our own. Its a never ending circle, we sign good players, it takes time to settle, we don't give them that time, we hound them out of the club. We will never learn. I think its the mentality that we THINK that we are a big club and we expect big performances from day one.
We buy imbeciles eh...least we havent WASTED loads a wonga spent on average players...your position in the prem says it all, you mugs lol..as ever..
forgive sol caMPELL ? he is a judus c**t
G"day again mates from AUS, not Austria but AUSTRALIA, just to avoid confusion don't wan't to be cofused with the old Hun and the royals and Greeks etc.
Seriously, we all know what we need, the same as we have all been saying for 2 fcuk'in years a MID-FIELD PLAYER WITH GUTS, a LEFT SIDED PLAYER WITH SPEED AND DELIVERY, and SOMEONE WHO CAN SCORE EVERY OTHER MATCH.Every picture tells a story, if you sell your best and I mean the best striking partnership on the planet (at that time)then you are going to suffer... as we all know now.
HOW MUCH NOW TO REPLACE THEM ????
Hes not a defensive midfielder,
hes a very naughty boy.
but seriously cut out the moronic booing and give the guy another chance.
Reply to Steve:
how charmig....
Campbell & berb I will never ever forgive but everyone else let it go.
Reply to osvaldo villa:
...not quite like my spider in the bath....
......good job you are not meeting goons on the seven sisters road over here...ther could be trouble....hello aussies
Reply to Steve:
"All you do is post shitty articles about complete bollocks that are so shocking I fall for it and click on it every time"
YOU THICK, SIMPLETON TWAT!
IF IT SAYS HARRY HOTSPUR DON'T CLICK ON IT BECAUSE IF YOU DO IT WILL TAKE YOU TO........... HARRY HOTSPUR
MUG.
Reply to Ginge1:
yes...well put ginge
hi DV,
how you doing....downing and defoe....a bit expensive now....what do you think...?
To the point about armchair fans (who ever it was?)
How hard is it to support your local club, who a lot of your mates support and where you can go and watch fairly easily every other week?
What about living miles away, where your mates all support Man U or Citeh? Is it harder to stand out from the crowd or be a lemming?
Just asking.
Also watching a game in the ground shows you things you don't see watching on TV (like players making runs off the ball etc)
However the same is true in reverse, you often miss things watching in the ground that you pick up on TV, especially stuff at the opposite end to where you sit.
Finally what about people who are actually quite good at football and are not the 'last pick in PE' and so play football when Spurs are on. Do they know more having spent years being coached by professionals but are unable to go to the games on a Saturday than some thick simpleton who would struggle to hit a barn door with a shovel or recognise a quality run off the ball?
Your view shelf-snide?
If going to watch Spurs makes you so upset and angry that you resort to hounding the players on the pitch (let alone players that haven't even stepped onto it), spare yourselves the pain and us your churlish idiocy, stay at fucking home!
Reply to KOJAC:
My thoughts Kojac (if your interested) Downing's a bit slow but would give us balance especially with Lennon on the right. With Bentley we would be a bit pedestrian in midfield and easy to defend. I always liked Giggs & Beckham for Man U, one player with great delivery and the other winger with pace who could go past people.
As for Defoe, average (as I've put before) loves himself too much and I'd rather have someone else (not sure who though). Wouldn't be the end of the world if we got him but he's no better than what we've got.
I'd sign both only at decent money SD no more than £10m, JD no more than £12m
I'd rather get Bellamy and Hunt for say a combined £15m (both hard workers who don't think they're better than they are - we've too many of those already).
I've never understood the love-in with Defoe in the first place. Even 'tactically inept' Jol saw that his perma-offside and one dimensional play was inferior to what Keane and Berbatov offer.
He then left, soiling the papers with "play me or i'll leave", not signing a contract (probably as it didn't have a guarantee of game-time as a clause) and then leaving to Pompey (not Manchester United or Liverpool) for £10m (not 30m or 20m).
At Pompey he does the usual scoring against crap teams and rumours aghast that Redknapp won't even bother fielding Defoe against the 'Big 4' as, in the big games (see England career) he's little boy lost.
So why all the innane cheering for somebody who clearly has reached his peak of what he can offer?
Reply to Hossam Ghaly:
I agree that he's not top level, but then again, nor are we at the moment.
If his goals against 'crap' teams ensure our PL future, that's ok with me.
I think he could form a good partnership with Pav, but at the price that's being banded around, surely there must be better.
Who are they, and will they want to sign?
Reply to Ginge1:
always interested ginge...
...
...i know your defoe views and tend to agree with them.....obviously we need another striker...and at least he will score goals....but as i've said before i'm open to anyone now....who know's who will work....
.....bellamy and hunt would certainly be a pain in the arse to the opposition wouldn't they.....and do some hard running...
the trouble is how expensive will people be now....i couldn't stomach paying well over the odds for average....maybe we should just try and buy...a real quality player....if we can....but who and would they come..?..looks like bellamy and hunt then....
Reply to steve1987:
go on then...........why do you need permission?
Once and for all.
The atmosphere at home (the Lane obviously, not my home) is variable. Songs don't originate from fans sitting down. The stewards have a campaign to get us to sit, starting in the Shelf Side. They hope to extend it to the Park Lane.
That is when the 'Stand Up .....' chants begin. For no other reason.
The vast majority of our fanbase are pricks. Always have been.
West Ham fans can be a bunch of goosesteppers at the best of times, but the decent ones (if there can be such a thing!) are loyal beyond belief and support a player, even if they don't want him in their starting line-up.
I would dearly love to see those morons from that night banned if they can be identified. We don't need any more pessimism at our club when we're in the position we are and actually need players like Ghaly who put themselves on the line for us.
Hi guys, can i just clear somehing up - i am a litle confused at the moment.
It is clear from HR comments that he sees the crowd as a twelth man and rightly so but my problem is this.
HR is the manager and picks who plays and we support the club. There is something seriously wrong when the manager cannot play who he wants to because the "twelth man" is going to potentially destroy the result.
Collectivley we (as a crowd)should be substituted because if we are getting in the way of our manager at a time like this when we need all hands to the pump and a few teeth knocked out for the cause.
i may be wrong of course because i may not get to every game like some of you bellends on here and i respect your attitude of "fuck the points - we have our pride" just dont do it at my club or on here.
If HR wants him to play - he plays - end of.
If a player is wearing the shirt he gets supported - end of.
To take some of the comments on here as simply as the were spelled out then there are some "fans" who would rather us get relegated than play ghaly again.
Fans? Fuck off to the Spammers cunts.
Maybe b32 can clarify my membership status & entitlement to boo, cheer or buy a bagel...
First game in 1976 & probably averaged 15 games a season up until about 2000 (home and away). However, as brilliantly pointed out by Ginge, this number has dropped in recent years as I've been running a Sunday side and the large amount of Spurs games being on Sunday has forced me to make a painful choice.
If you have such a shoe box of ticket stubs, you'll also remember the last time we shot ourselves in the foot by booing - with Dean Richards. I was at the 4-3 Pompey game when his knock down set up the late winner and the players celebrated in front of the Spurs fans as if we were the away support.
I was ashamed to be Spurs that day & even more so when the true extent of Deano's illness played out.
I agree with the first half of your article but there's something i've noticed about you and that is that you seem to think that you are superior to everybody else. are you trying to prove something to yourself? or compensating for something else? looks? weight? popularity?
me finks, right, its sumfink that rhymes wiv 'ate'.. mate... no no date? nahh i've got it 'arry its hate, mate.
The vast majority of our fanbase are pricks. Always have been.
West Ham fans can be a bunch of goosesteppers at the best of times, but the decent ones (if there can be such a thing!) are loyal beyond belief and support a player, even if they don't want him in their starting line-up.
I would dearly love to see those morons from that night banned if they can be identified. We don't need any more pessimism at our club when we're in the position we are and actually need players like Ghaly who put themselves on the line for us.
That should have read "the vocal minority of our fanbase..."... that's the trouble when you write on 3 different fanpages simultaneously...
Just heard on the radio that Downing is going to hand in a written transfer request, not sure he's ideal for us and certainly not at the price being banded about however it would mean for the first time in about 10 years we would have proper balance to the side with left footed left backs and left wingers.
well done the gills....just equalised against the villa...!!
Reply to Ginge1:
that's right we certainly need a left winger in my opinion...anyone will do....and obviuosly a forward...
i think it's the only way we will sign players in the window...is if they do a berba and sulk and stamp their baby feet....
we also know any half decent player we buy now will cost £15 million.....painful,,,
It says on newsnow (via several sources) that our initial bid for Downing was £6m! I think he's worth a bit more than that, but hopefully this shows we're not interested at anything near £10m let alone the stupid £15m banded about.
Did anyone see the rumour about Oliver Dacourt? He's about 34 but would be a freemans. Might due a short term job, always liked the look of him at Leeds & Everton but at 34 he's very old (could he be our new Davids? probably not as not in that class and is a sulky frog!)
It's rigged I tell ya!
away to man utd in the cup....unless the saints do their stuff later.....coys....we'll be on the telly
Reply to HarryHotspur:
Yup. I was right. Shame on you. Thanks for suppling the rope though.
Reply to TMWNN:
would you believe it....so many to choose from....thanks di matteo...
The scouse derby, Man U (almost definitely) and us the first 4 teams out.
Cue 'concentrate on the league' comments.
Although 'Arry did beat them up there last year.
Why is the fa cup draw so fixed? If chelsea beat south end they have a nice home game aints a non prem team AGAIN.
Reply to TMWNN:
yep...if we have a fa cup replay....and meet them in league cup final....if's and but's i know....but it could be treble man utd in 10 days...
that should sort out the girls from the boys....
Reply to KOJAC:
well not quite ten days..but you know what i mean....
Couldn't agree more. We have a depleted squad and the guy wants to play for us. LET HIM PLAY. With regards to Bentley, its the first time in ages I have seen a player who is so passionate about playing for his boyhood team. Have you already forgotten his interview after the Arsenal game? How proud did it make you feel to be a Spurs fan after that?
We need a new song for the young DB. Please can we start getting some ideas down to sing next week...
Great Man Ure at Old Trafford...
Which of our guys do you think we should all boo to inspire them to victory?
Harry, I for one couldn't agree more and have always believed that half of our problem as a club is the vocal sect that hail from the 'I want the treble and I want it last week' brigade.
It has amazed me of late just how quick people can turn on their own and to what end?
Support I always thought was the name of the game through good or bad.
Just seen we drawn Manure away in FA Cup.
f***ing great.
Reply to Astromesmo:
Les, he's had it easy lately.
Come on you Saints!
I'm all for calling Woody a useless c**t as well for not making a clean connection on that header in the CC Final. Tosser.
Reply to TMWNN:
TMWNN, agree totally- to be honest I do like Defoe and think he would be a good addition but not a great one.
I was more frustrated that we have players with so much more in the locker if given a chance but the south stand 'faithful' are still singing songs for somebody who -regrettably- isn't going to change much.
Reply to Astromesmo:
what about o'hara....i mean he's 21yr...not a left wideman....whats he hitting the post for. on friday...come on...i ask you
Reply to Hossam Ghaly:
Don't worry mate, they'll soon be on his back every time he's offside or greedily blazes it over the bar.
Harry, I commend your efforts to stiffen the line of delineation between the highbrow hotspurs and the chavallectuals. Now we have a clearer idea of who the plebs are, how do we go about removing their inclination to share each and every sub-human thought with this sites elite?
Yours, Choris
Reply to KOJAC:
Sorry Kojac, you're quite right... Please forgive me for missing that one and don't boo me next time I post.
Reply to East Lower:
I am not a great fan of Defoe. I truly believe that if Spurs sign him, they will struggle to stay up as he does not have the mind set that is needed for a relegation battle. He is lazy, petulant, will never score a header.In fact, I have never seen him score a winner for spurs. I rate Steve hunt higher than Defoe as he will work for 90 minutes. Ghaly is god so give him a chance and by the way, brilliant responses to this column from true Spurs fan.
I can confess i did boo Hossam Ghaly because i think that the clear show of disrespect to the managment at the time and to the fans when he threw his shirt on the floor was not good enough. He wanted to leave after and even went to Birmingham but he walked off the training pitch because he thought he was better than everyone? Eventhough Birmingham players may not be the best, it was another sign that this guy has no respect for anyone else. If Harry gives him another chance i will want him 2 prove that he deserves it on the field end of.
David Bentley on the other hand. The fact that we have paid £15million pounds of the clubs money on a winger who was ment to be the new david beckham but actually cant cross a ball, whenever he does cross 8/10 it is never to our player and hits the first defender. This is including from corners!! However when the 2/10 do hit our player i do agree they are deadly, But 2/10 crosses which dont always happen every game isnt worth £15million.
I can totally agree with the fact david bentley has outstanding talents with skills and technique sometimes amazing me but i disagree with the fact he is trying his hardest. i feel he isnt trying his hardest at all, or if he is then it is completely not good enough for a player which we paid £15million for. His lack of pace is the most aggrivating thing besides his crossing and effort. £15million can get you a player with pace and the ability to cross the ball.
However the jury is out but from what i have seen so far im not impressed. COYS
Reply to Mossy:
So just to confirm... Are you saying that booing him will make him play better and add a few million on to his value?
Reply to Ginge1:
Hurrah for the Ginger one!
Great work.
Hello there. Ghaly should be given a chance/play etc...
On another matter, am I right in saying that Burnley in the CCup, is essentially our two legged route into europe next season? Assuming Manure dick Derby and were they to beat us in the final, we'd still take the UEFA place as they'll win something else and take a Champions league spot?
I'm sure you'd all figured this out years ago, but I hadn't until now!
Reply to Poshspur:
no...you have to win the league cup to get into europe...
Reply to NIck:
One problem with this blogging business is every too often, some psuedo intellectual strides up your cyber path determined to 'score you out of ten' or worse still, analyse you.
May I return your unsolicited guff with some of my own.
If you had just posted, 'Harry you're a fat loser' I can guarantee 99% of people inc me would have smiled and thought - he could well have a point there...
As it is, you blew it and managed to propel yourself from total obscurity to looking like a c***.
Well done.
Reply to KOJAC:
Balls, I knew it'd be my hungover brain playing tricks on me!
Reply to Mossy:
You admit to booing a guy for an 'offence'18 months old before he even got a chance to kick a ball, in fact you were instrumental in denying him that chance, then you end your blog COYS. What kind of mixed up 'fan' are you?
Everyone deserves a second chance when it comes to the Ghaly situation. As for Defoe I'd prefer he NOT come back to the Lane and singing about a player at another club is retarded. He forced our hard in the transfer but I understand his reasoning because he was playing second fiddle to Keane & Berbatov; however his action went on for 18 months and in that space he bagged 18 goals the season before. I'd prefer to have Lukas Podolski if we are to spend the money we are expected to spend. He's a world-class international, he's 23 and is great one-on-one with a great left-foot. Not forgetting he has Champions League experience and named the 2006 World Cup Best Young Player and to the Euro 2008 Team of the Tournament.
Reply to Poshspur:
i prefer your way,but sadly we will have to it the hard way and win...for our fith straight european tour,it's not all bad....could be a big day in late feb if we gat past burnley....i love that european feeling...even if some look at it as a bit of a burden....coys
Reply to Poshspur:
If two of the top five contend the FA cup final and if we get to, but don't win the League Cup, the European places will drop down 7th.
Like me, you're probably more confused now, and as 7th is looking highly unlikely, there isn't much point in this comment.
Reply to KOJAC:
make that fourth straight european tour....coys
boo ghaly = bad and naughty
= to scary to even contemplate. i can just hear the wisened old baritones,
calling bentley a useless cunt = bad and very naughty
stand up if you hate arsenal = just a game with the stewards.
if you dont like it turn ya telly down (cos your not actually at the game) a move doubly beneficial if smith or pleat are commentating.
a park lane full of harry hotspurs and his like
" use the hanger ghaly' thats a good chap"
"stand up if your knees are sore"
"we're the park lane we're the park lane.......
we're the mayfair we're the mayfair"
"im of to use the dunny
my hands have gone all trembly
nows its down my flares
and i hate these stairs"
Reply to Steve:
Do you like sponge?
Reply to summerspur:
I for one INSIST on wearing tweed when in the Park Lane... And I'm not talking about the dodgy fragrance touted by Twiggy in the 70's.
Not usually a rumour hound, but Campbell wont still be with us come February.
Reply to TMWNN:
Yeah bless you, but kind of wishing I hadn't asked now!
Reply to Astromesmo:
i have a mental picture of harrold in a purple crushed velvet smoking jacket and a yellow silk cravat. harry is a fop and a dandy and i must insist he stay out of the park lane.
Reply to KOJAC:
Cheers Yule. Yeah nothing beats night games in europe.
Reply to summerspur:
For you, I'll make an exception... I'll dab some tweed behind my ears as well. You little urchin scoundrel.
Reply to Camel with the Hunt:
Wow! I think Ghaly should be given a chance but you've made him a deity! I'll have to rethink my take on him...maybe he had the sun behind him when you saw him play?
I know it was a typo, but I'm hung way over..
Reply to elfranklins:
Grrr Steve ANGRY!!!
Hilarious you tool.
Reply to summerspur:
yes if you look up in the top tier of the west stand...you'll see the hotspur crew...all in tweed,velvet and barber very smart country attire...you just know they support hunting...don't mess...very nasty
...happy with Manure away in Cup actually..........for some strange reason i think we will give them a hell of a game and maybe get close to beating them....its a no lose situ for me; we win - hoorah; we lose (and it wont be by much) then credit to the boys and get on with
1. Prem Survival
2. Carling Cup
3. Waffa Cup
Reply to KOJAC:
Now listen hunting is the only way to keep them under control...vermin Faulty!
Besides I'm next to the subs so I can hear what Harry's saying..Well shout abuse at opposing manager.
Gents
It has been brought to my attention by means of carrier pigeon that the season of good will has been some what tinged with feelings off ill will toward certain members of the Yid fraternity.
During the Great War we had a simple rule, piss on my boots at home and one would receive the benefit of the rules of Queensbury.
But piss on my boots in a cold wet and shitty trench and one would gratefully receive the blessed warm relief that came from an otherwise act of vulgar disrespect.
Bravo!
Now men, you probably by now are caught in the midst of cognitive disarray as you try to fathom what the jolly old Uncle here is waffling on about? Indeed some might well be asking where on earth the compass reading is with regards to this article or quite simply, what the fuck is this highly fermented old bastard on about.
The answer is simple! – I haven’t got a dandy of clue! Just thought you would like to hear the kind of nonsense that kept men with pissy feet alive nearly 80 years ago…..but there is a vague point…indeed.
As an Army it serves us not to berate and criticize our own when facing the cannon of foe, rather instead, tis better to serve that fury unto our enemy, and let them know that our boots may well have been pissed on but by crikey, these boots are a damn site warmer than theirs.
And should one of our own number not perform to the bar expected of him, then let him have it in the officers mess and not on the field for all else to hear!.
Must dash now before the grand son finds out that I have Shanghaied his profile thingy, plus old Marge has got the teacakes a Viagra out for songs of praise!!!
Tally Ho and god bless the king
Lt Colonel ‘uncle’ Franklin
Commander in chief of his majesty’s
1st Battalion, The royal Chas n Daves rifles
Reply to Astromesmo:
My New year's resolution was to give up smoking the tweed!
Reply to Poshspur:
i know all about country ways as i'm in devon at the mo....you got a good view of ghalygate then.....keep up the good work of letting the away manager know where he is....that must be very enjoyable.....i'll look out for you on the old laptop....screaming at their boss,politely of course...coys
Reply to Ginge1:
I wouldn't be so hasty... After all, one has to have something to do on a Saturday afternoon seeing as we all NEVER go to a game.
Reply to Astromesmo:
That's not being hasty the Mrs has been on at me for years, if its anything like last years attempt it'll last 3 weeks tops (& I was in employment) What is a resolution if its not to be broken?
End of discussion...Harry has spoken. Get behind the team. Get behind the players.
Hossam apologised for his actions immediately after that game.
"I am just so angry with myself," he said at the time. "I have always considered it an honour to wear the Tottenham shirt and I never intended to show any disrespect.
"I know my reaction was totally wrong. I have apologised to the manager and I also want to apologise to the fans. I hope they don't judge me on this incident alone. I have tried hard for the Club this season."
Harry feels now is the time to forgive and forget.
"I really feel for the lad," said Harry.
"We all make mistakes in life. Show me someone who doesn't make mistakes and I'll show you a liar. He's made a mistake and he deserves another chance. Everyone deserves another chance."
Harry underlined the need to use the full squad with such a busy schedule and injuries hitting the midfield department - Jermaine Jenas and Tom Huddlestone were both ruled out against Wigan.
"Hossam has always shown a positive attitude since I have been here," added Harry. "We need the supporters to get behind everyone in a Spurs shirt.
"He is a member of our squad and we'll need them all to play a part in what will be a very important second half of the season."
Reply to summerspur:
It is indeed most fortunate for you that 'my man' appears to have wandered off - or I would almost certainly would have instructed him to unleash the hounds on you
Reply to elfranklins:
Genius.
Stuck a George Cross & Bar in the post.
Reply to The Cockerel:
well said cockerel.
Millwall are our historic rivals - probably the most difficult local derby to police in England.
Spurs are just another london team to us.
Up the irons.
Reply to COYScanada:
Great quote from HR
"We've got two fit strikers and two players who can't play because the crowd don't like them, apart from that we're not too bad."
Reply to Astromesmo:
Reply to KOJAC:
you'll spot me at the Pompey game, I'm six foot seven, so hard to miss! Good looking bastard though
I used to cheer when John Pratt was on the ball.
I think the doctor said it was because I was a Spurs supporter and wanted to encourage them to do their best.
I used to boo when Dennis Law was on the ball.
The doctor said that was probably because he didn't play for Spurs.
Reply to Ginge1:
Astrud Gilberto... The well-meaning Brazilian beach loafer with the good right foot... Unfortunately he's meant to be left footed.
Reply to Astromesmo:
That is of course unless you discount the fact that the crowd have also dubbed the 'useless c**t' crown on Michael Dawson, Gareth Bale, David Bentley, Huerelho Gomes, Didier Zokora, Pav, Benty, BAE, Jenas and 'The Prince' so far this season.
Its all very well saying Ghaly deserves a second chance on the pitch and i agree, not need for the abuse but whats the point! He's useless anyway, i'd ratehr he didn't play.
Reply to Ginge1:
sorry.... could never consider that as a resolution....numbs the old pain of £15 million for downing and £20million for defoe...
Reply to Astromesmo:
Fair shouts!
Reply to elfranklins:
....
.....good to see the older man getting to grips with profiles and viagra...
With all the arguments for and against Ghaly being rehabilitated to the team, no one has bothered to consider this:
Does Samantha Janus have a brother called Hugh?
Reply to 9__37:
270 posts later and the answer to our debate appears to have been a recycled Simpsons joke
I'm in Moe's Tavern. On Duff Beer number six. Some people call it alcoholism. I call it a support network.
I’m sure the explanation for Ghaly’s near appearance is simple, Redschnapps is putting him in the shop window, although he does come with a buyer beware notice, somebody somewhere will get a decent player at knock down price. Expect fleeting appearances in the near from Boetang, Slapt eri and the cast of millions that Wendy, deemed not necessary to register to play for us in anything other than the football combination. OOpps just carbon dated myself.
Reply to robertsthruthewall:
I say give Ghaly a break. He may turn out to be rubbish, but he'd be our rubbish. Plus, 'arry needs to stick him in the shop window, if he's to sell him (just a thought).
What he did was naughty, but it was just a shirt - a shirt probably manufactured in a Chinese sweat-shop and without the addition of any Egyptian cotton. Maybe that irked Ghaly. Or maybe it was Jol that irked him, and the action was a rebuke to him. (On the subject of which, didn't a good many of us rebuke Jol around that time? If it's ok for us to do it, why shouldn't it be for Ghaly?)
As for the shirt 'colours', didn't we nick them from Preston North End? I guess there's no copyright on blue and white. Yes, it was a shame that what many strive to wear at professional level wound up in the dust, but have you seen what's in the headlines these days? Ghaly and his shirt are minor fare.
Forgiveness isn't for those who deserve it, but for those who need it. (Buffy the Vampire-Slayer)
""I miss regular television. I miss the work ethic of those 5 day a week things. So, eventually, I`d like to get back to that."
Patrick Duffy (The Man From Atlantis)
Reply to HarryHotspur:
I shall let the old bugger know! he'll be chuffed to bits. I'm sure he has enough room left on his regimental jacket for one more gong!!
Reply to HarryHotspur:
Not a quote Harry, more a summation.
My point is that you have an "opinion" that now is the time to give Ghaly another chance; based in no small part I assume on Redknapp's call to arms. If others have a different opinion, calling their view into question is one thing, calling their IQ into question is another..... which is what you are doing. You are essentially saying that those who do not share your's and Redknapp's opinion are thickos and oafs.
I went on to make a point about the fans who are in the ground, who pay their money. They, like fans all over the country and through the history of football, have a significant influence over the decisions made off field and on, within reasonable limits which they determine. Now without getting into the psychology of football fans and tribalism, there will be minorities who are more extreme, there will be those who lead and those who follow. But there will not be 25,000+ who will blindly follow poor leaders or leaders who take things beyond the self-defined "reasonable limits". This was shown by the reactions to stepping over the line at Pompey and the extreme minority was not supported by the majority.
Strangely enough or perhaps not so, the same breakdown is also seen on sites and blogs and lets face it there are some on here Harry who's main contributions is an obsessive compulsion with certain parts of female anatomy.
However as yet few blogs or sites have had the influence that the fan base at the ground has. They in a peverese sort of way are the jury that keeps the clubs on their toes, cheering the right moves and dissenting when the product is not up to par. Its a shame more things are not judged in this fashion.
Ghaly will get his chance, this is but the first move in a process of change management, get the idea out there, splash a bit of water on the face, then dive in.
One might consider Ghaly's actions as "jeopardising the performance of the entire team" by his actions.................
Well said Harry, personally i applauded his approach to the pitch, because let's face it it took some balls to step up after what went on. This proves to me that he did not intend to disrespect the shirt it just happened to be the shirt was in his hand at the time. How many that visit these pages have ever thrown their toys out of their pram and realised their mistake afterwards. Also HR must beleive Ghaly has improved and is important to the squad bearing in mind the number of matches we could still have to play
................ certainly it will make people think before they abuse the shirt in future, as it will to do what Judas did.
Your conclusuion that tickets do not give a right to vote is entirely incorrect. Ask yourself how many underperforming players, managers, coaches and chairman have been brought down in large part by the terraces; with all due respect, certainly more than have been brought down by blogs. The rule of the crowd goes back to Roman times. You can debate the merits, but for now and maybe even more so with a 60,000 seater, the crowd including the thickos and oafs DO have a say.
A smart manager, which I think HR is, will prepare the crowd for change before embarking on it. If he loses the crowd he loses his job ..... he'll not lose the crowd if he's winning, he may keep his job if he's not winning but popular.
For better or worse, the crowd having paid their entry CAN damn as well as deify, but it is a self correcting tide and will respond if handled properly.
The crowd is also peversely, a mechanism to keep things healthy, a barometer of what the fans actually feel and will broadly represent the larger fan base. If what we are given is not up to scratch, there is a feedback mechanism that tells the club in no uncertain terms that things are not right (or very right of course). This mechanism is more valuable now than ever before, with other mechanisms like the media, more focussed on profits, web hits, and creating disasters to report.
The crowd is and should be the moral essence of the club, keeping the traditions and spirit of the club alive. Our crowd has done that in keeping a tradition of attractive football, a star quality and an honest approach to the game, reasons I've supported it for over 45 years. If any feel that the crowd is perverting their moral compass, then go on the day and change it, if there's enough of you, you will; if not then your view is probably not one shared by this clubs supporters.
Reply to Finn:
I've been trying unsuccessfully to get people around me to stop singing songs about hanging black men from trees (personally, I think the people of the deep south in the USA did enough of that for everyone) and to stop singing songs about black men being elephant washers. All I get is abuse.
Does that mean the majority who do sing it are morally correct and that it's my moral compass that buggered, or are you talking an amount of hogwash?
I'm all for pulling up the management when they're playing long ball or when they lack the drive or imagination to use tactics or substitutes astutely, but I don't feel that the 'price of a ticket' entitles me to personally vilify someone or hurl racial/homophobic abuse. Something which is seen all too easily as an option recently.
There can be absolutely no doubt that a substantially large section (not a majority but large enough) of the crowd at WHL has gone meandering up a cultural cul-de-sac in the last few years and they've taken the name of our club with them. The constant instances of booing are just part and parcel of the 'I've paid my money' freedom that some of our fans want to enjoy.
I personally am delighted at the stance taken by HR over this and the Sol issue and support ANYONE who tries to bring it to the greater awareness of the general public/Spurs fans at large.
By the way, the Romans also used to cover people in tar and set fire to them but that don't make it a good idea.
id like to say that, i dont support the people who booed at ghaly the other night, however I feel his future at the club is no more he has no part to play in the side and should be allowed to leave now and thats the end of that.
Second jermain defoe is an absolute certainty to help us get out of relegation, proven goalscorer, if he scores 7 prem goals for us to the end of the season we would be fine, and i see him playing in a 442 wiv pav.
3rdly and most importantly when in the almighty hell are we gonna see Tarraabt playing???????????? the same with bostock, and gunter gig well for us when playing right back so why is he now excluded completely????
Astromesmo......
"Does that mean the majority who do sing it are morally correct and that it's my moral compass that buggered, or are you talking an amount of hogwash?"
Neither; you contend that it is not a majority, albit a large contingent. I thought I had referred to minorities who were guilty of the OTT abuse? People who do racially vilify are and should be subject to the same laws inside the stadia that they are outside. I did make mention of that through the Pompey reference and I have not advocated that the price of a ticket exempts people from the law.
However whilst I do not think, judging by your post overall, that you are being deliberately obtuse, I think you know full well that I am referring to happenings on the other side of that line, which apparently, you are all for.
Most freedoms tho' come with responsibilities and not all handle their freedom that well. But by and large I do not believe we are a racist club or have racist supporters, equally tho', like in most walks of life, there are those who take things too far and the need is there to pull them up, like HR did whilst at Pompey with regard to the Judas chants. Likewise, the diminishing support the boo boys will get for giving it to Ghaly will in the main, deter them and their attention will turn elsewhere. Again we are bordering on issues which go beyong football and into society and psychology in the greater whole.
As for tarring and burning, if you can sort out Berbatov and Judas I'll bring the marshmallows :-)
corlukas-veruka 2 THINGS.... what do you mean fringe and minority? should be opposites. stop being deluded, you'll always be small time.
The fact that he is "foriegn" means he will never be forgivin. But nice try Harry.
He is at best a poor quality journeyman - who would you see go to accomodate him ??? Exactly.
He is a poor quality player we only bought to keep Mido company and he has an attitude supporters don't want at the club and given the chance I will let him, Harry, and everyone else know how I feel when given a chance.
Sorry as much as i agree with the article i don't think you're all there on the bentley thing. He could be a grfeat player, although struggles with biting off more than he can chew. He hasn't got pace, and yet will try and take on every right back he faces. He plays a couple of good balls in the box a game, when we all know he's more than capable of hitting every ball in the perfect place everytime. He tends to play the cross from about 40 yards out, he needs to "push on" as he loves to say and damn near take a corner at every opportunity or at least mix it up.
Pav's the man though and think that Arry should play more of a 4-3-1-1-1 with modric playing behind bent and pav up top, he can hold the ball up and play some awesome balls as he showed against wigan the other night class footballer. Hopefully we'll see defoe back and we'll start to make our way back up this league and into a position slightly more admirable than our current place. Bring on the Burnley and 3 cups for the mighty Yid Army!!!!!