Don't Panic!
Monday, 12 January 09, 04:34 AM · Comments (166)
Our current incumbant, Mr A Redschnapps, twitched heavily, examined the polishing requirements of his shoes and pronounced the following...
"If you look at the results of Tottenham over the last year you have to be concerned. They (the players) put the club in it, so it is up to them to get us out of it."
So what did we give Gaydamak £5 million for again?
"There is plenty of flair, but we are in a relegation scrap and we need some men and some characters to get us out of it, that is what you are looking for when you are in the position we are in.
Christ on a bicycle - and you've been trying to sign Downing?
"We've got some but not enough. You'd put your life on Jonathan Woodgate, Michael Dawson, Didier Zokora and Jamie O'Hara."
Dawson has had two and a half good games since you got here, Arry. And Zokora, the 'Manager's Choice' is still a mystery to the rest of us.
One upside to such a shocking performance of course is it should provide some respite from Jenas & Co announcing midweek how confident they are about a top four finish this season.
The second half against Wigan summed up the game for me. We looked sluggish, untalented and most damningly, without a plan.
Steve Bruce knew the score and rather amusingly (if you're Wigan) announced," If anybody wants my players they will cost an absolute fortune."
He's a card, old Brucey. But who's sitting seventh?
Tottenham are running out of time. Arry has a point, but it was the same gang of half wits that he managed so well in his honeymoon weeks with us. However unappealing on the eye Wigan might be, they have mastered some basics. You know, passing to each other, getting useful balls into their strikers, stuff like that.
We could play Jack Kennedy, Russell Brand and George Clooney up front and still not score.
My take is that we have a lot of extremely inconsistant clowns on the payroll and until that is addressed - we're wishing.
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"We're very lucky in the band in that we have two visionaries, David and Nigel, they're like poets, like Shelley and Byron. They're two distinct types of visionaries, it's like fire and ice, basically. I feel my role in the band is to be somewhere in the middle of that, kind of like lukewarm water." Derek Smalls
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"Bill did so much for his beloved Spurs that we must never let his legacy fade. He must be our inspiration as we strive to ensure that a new era dawns here at White Hart Lane." Daniel Levy
" 'Oh dear, it's f*cked', is what I've always taken it to mean. I do have O-level Latin. Now they've stuck up a literal translation, in large letters: 'To dare is to do.' The words just stand there, on their own, not making much sense." Hunter Davies
"When Gazza came to the Spurs training ground for the first time got the ball, went round 8 players as if they were not there and then smashed the ball into the net. Just to see him play like that made the hair stand up on the back of your neck. Everybody stood there and applauded him." Terry Venables
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"The worst thing Spurs ever did was get rid of Keith Burkinshaw. They never replaced him." Graham Roberts
"When you've finished playing football, young man, which is going to be very soon, I feel, you'll make a very good security guard." David Pleat to a 17yr old Neil Ruddock
"If someone wants to give you a bum steer on who we're after, then so be it. If you want to know, ask me, because I have a list of players we want and Robbie Keane isn't on it." Glenn Hoddle, then Spurs manager, shortly before paying 7 mill for ... Robbie Keane.
"The biggest regret of my whole football career was leaving White Hart Lane in 1970.....my interest in football weakened after that. I was heartbroken" Jimmy Greaves.
"I know more about smalz herring than I do about football." Sir Alan Sugar
"The trouble with Christian Gross is that no-one had heard of him. The communication wasn't brilliant and as captain I decided to explain to him how things worked and what the players liked and were used to. I do not believe he listened to a word I said." Gary Mabbutt
"Always had a bit of time, make a little bit of space, look up, bang. And you know he could put it on a postage stamp from 40 yards. Mmmmmmmmm...." Ron Manager aka Paul Whitehouse, Spurs fan on Glenn Hoddle
"I'm a miserable sod." Sir Alan Sugar
"The great fallacy is that the game is first and last about winning. It's nothing of the kind. The game is about glory. It's about doing things in style, with a flourish, about going out and beating the other lot, not waiting for them to die of boredom." Danny Blanchflower
"Man in the raincoat's blue & white army." Spurs fans unable to use George Graham's name, 1999.
"We like a tackle at Tottenham. we're not pansies, you know. " David Pleat
"I was sitting just a few feet away from David Pleat at the World Cup. He's a nice fellow, but the man is mad: certifiably, eye-spiningly mad." Danny Kelly
"The only thing wrong with White Hart Lane is that the seats face the pitch" Les Dawson
166 Comments · Add yours
I for one will offer my resignation. I downed my pie in a about 1min 30 and felt flat after that for the rest of the game (good pie though).
Seriously though I can't think of anything funny we are that bad
I've had to sit down and see where the points are going to come. We have 7 very winnable home games to come plus derbys against the Arse and Chavski. Unforunatly, there a 7 six pointers in there it seems judging by way this season has gone and it will take a lot of backbone and a fair slice of luck to get the required points. I say we need to get at least 20 points from our 9 games at home between now and May. As for the away games, trips to the Reebok, KC, Ewood and Goodison are the only ones I'd feel we can win and even they seem daunting. 10 points from our remaining away fixtures shouldn't be too much to ask surely? 3 wins and a draw? if that all went to plan, we could be sat on 50 points, which would in truth be a damned good haul. I think 45 is the target though to be remotely certain of safety.
We aint the only team in this mess. I straw I am rigorously clutching at.
Although we were bad for the last 80 minutes of the game why did we change back to a 4-4-2 when at 5-3-2 we looked less vunerable and space was harder to come by e.g we were less likely to concede!!!
Let's be honest, this was always going to be a difficult game. Wigan at full strength are a decent side.
I agree we never challenged for the corner at the death but worst of all was that after Dawson 58 second header, we never came near to scoring. That's the issue, the gane is about goals. However crap you play, if/when you score you put the opposition under pressure.
Until we can do that we will keep losing games we have have drawn instead of winning games we should have lost.
Looking at the fixture list,I seriously hope that it doesn't come down to last day for us as we've got Liverpool away and if we need to win to stay up and they need to win to win the league.....we're fucked.
we have started letting in late goals again!! that needs to stop!
any news on appiah harry??!!
This is a game where Harry and the players are as much to blame. Maybe Harry decided to phone Ramos before the game so that he could start to tinker. Modric was just getting use to a certain role and style and Harry changed it. Lennon has been performing reasonaly well (except maybe for last 2 games) and he does not start. I think he complicated things. He ultimately needs to decide what the best format is and who is first 11 are and then go with it. This is not the time to experiment. Finally how bad must Cesar be if we are prepared to play a clearly injured Gomes.
I think HR got it totally wrong on Sunday and that loss was not only down to the players, it was down to the manager. Harry has observed that we have too many 'flair' players and not enough 'grit', but went too far the other way and ended up putting a a gritty sh*tty team. King in midfield? And Zokora? How on earth were the forwards supposed to get the ball? Where was the width on the right? Why was the one player with the ability and vision to place the ball over the top for the forwards to run onto left on the bench?
Sorry Harry, but it's not just the players that got us into this mess. And it's up to everybody (fans included with their support) to drag us out of it.
Reply to Leo:
Leo in our last 5 games of the season three of them are at man u everton and liverpool all away. Damn we need to improve quick.
Was we ever really at 5 3 2 as people keep saying, it seemed to me we were more of a diamond midfied with Ohara left of centre and Zokora right with king deep and modric more attacking. At no point was King ever Centre back until Daws went off.
Looking at the fixtures, if we continue to play in the way we have, i see us getting no more than 35 points
17 games left (9 home and 8 away):
9 wins and 3 draws = 30 points
8 wins and 4 draws = 28 points
7 wins and 5 draws = 26 points
Anything else is a bonus, anything less we will be in trouble.
Reply to WillyLight:
willy,
you must be wonkers.
how many away games have you won and you can see yourself winning at Hull and Goodison. Dream on. Harry is making a lot of excuses. Sounds like he's getting the blame in place now for when it all goes wrong.
Surely it's about time you changed your manager.
You are one of the biggest jokes in the prem.
what happened to those great sides you used to have built on simple passing skills?
You are in more trouble than you think.
50 points,good luck.
I thought for 75 minutes, perhaps even 80 we'd done enough to get a draw, but we could all see after that time we were only ever likely to lose rather than grab the winner.
I don't really have a problem with the formation laid out, nor the substitutions to any major extent, I may have chosen slightly different but the intent was generally the same. Personally would have hauled off Zokora who was rubbish at half time, maybe would have gone with Lennon (who was totally uneffective - not HR's fault) but probably Bentley. I just don't think that even with Lennon's upturned performances that he really has actually created anything. I'm prepared to be corrected and I know he got the goal against arsenil, but other than that can't think of much end result to anything he's done, I'd rather have a slow bentley firing balls at pavlyadiaz than blud firing them into the crowd. Either way, I'd have preferred posh spice in central mid to Zokora, I don't care if he's got bottle, if you win the ball back only to pass it straight to the oppo the good can never outweigh the bad.
So after rambling, half time change of bentley for Zokora, switched O'hara to LB and either Bale at LM or taken off with Modds to LM and Jenas on in place.
Final point - Jenas - he is the very embodiment of all that's wrong and problems at our club. IE he's got all the skills, correct CV, talks a good game and looks the part, but falls apart at crucial times and spectacularly fails to deliver on a consistent basis, exactly as per the spurs.
Reply to WillyLight:
Willy,
I've just checked. Harry has got 18pts from 13 games. That's worse than Jol and Ramos over their first 13 games.
You will end on between 36 and 40pts.
It may just be enough.
I fear we have become a club for over paid, over hyped mediocrity.
It has been happening ever since Gerry Francis.
Martin Jol managed to raise the standard and morale but lost his way. Whether it due to Comolli poor purchases or not.
Juande put, as Harry said a badly balanced side together. We tried to run before we could walk. It has been clear since Carrick and Davids left that we desperatley need two good central midfielders. We currently have four average ones. I fear that Appiah is not the answer and neither is Ledley.
I hope Harry was lying about not signing any more players. Because I am seriously worried.
Reply to harry dean:
Just looking at it with a positive frame of mind. Beats bleating on about how doomed we are. The relegation battle stretches up to 8th place and with 17 games to go and 20 days of transfer activity to go there is still plenty up for grabs and plenty that can change.
And if we're a joke for trying to push on and failing rather than do nothing and hope we scrape by another season anonymous and unnoticed then please laugh away. Errors were made before the start of the season that are still undermining the squad and that is why we are in trouble.
Good Afternoon, Jenas will surely be on his
way. If he'd have picked up his man, a point
for certain. Just not consistent enough in
our shirt. We need to bring in a few workers
that most of our fans will complain are not
"Tottenham type" players. We need some steel
to compliment the talent. Some are reporting
this morning that Bentley could be offered
for Downing. Not sure he would fancy Boro,
can be windy there, and would play havoc with
his hair...
lets face it we have gone backwards since martin jol left ! all the fans who wanted him out make me laugh ! look what we have now ! a boring team so light weight and fragile they cant even handle the physcial side of the game what a bunch of overpaid flops ! they need to have there wages taken away and a good kick up there pampered arse so harry when u say dont panic we are not panicin we are just shit! lol
embarrassed
Reply to harry dean:
Jol inherited a balanced squad and Ramos had the firepower up front and two top five finishes fresh in the collective memory. Harry inherited a disjointed, unbalanced squad who finished in the bottom half the previous year and had won only 2 points from 10 games. Comparing points is easy, comparing the situations they were won in is completely different.
This is The Phrase That Pays for me:
"We've got some but not enough. You'd put your life on Jonathan Woodgate, Michael Dawson, Didier Zokora and Jamie O'Hara."
The suggestion being that players with heart are required over players of notable talent. This is a disappointing reality, but reality still.
The inevitable barrage of posts citing who we need to sign to wriggle out of this situation will follow, but allow me to answer the riddle of who we should sign early doors for you: The answer is no one.
There's a black hole of talent at our club at present. Footballers are signing up talented, and turning up each week like they've been bodysnatched. This isn't going to change if we bolster a position here, or there. It's a virtual certainty that the apathy of the team will affect the attitude of the one, rather than the one affecting the many. And bingo. Another Bentley.
Harry's said no more signings. Maybe this is a smokescreen. Or maybe we're beginning to realise that it's time to call in Mulder and Scully on the vanishing talent that we already own.
This was one of the worst games this season. We didn´t create a shit in 90 minutes. 10 days ago we won 3-1 in the cup, and played some really nice football. This time there was no heart and poor selection!
The way we played and the selection made it looked like we played for a goalless draw.
It´s a disaster..
Reply to rashskitz:
true we've gone backwards, but Jol would appear to have been undermined so badly during his second year and his final days that there was really no other outcome.
It's a shame. But shames aren't worth a damn, it's all done and dusted and talked to death too many times before, he's gone and so now has the manager after him.
I'll be happy when we've adjusted our squad and finally brought in that much needed bite and steel but equally someone who can pass more than a yard and carry a greater goal threat than a wet weekend in margate
Some of Harry's decisions on Sunday left me absolutely baffled, not least playing Zokora right midfield.
But for me, selection and tactics are not what lost us the game. It was a lack of effort and desire, particularly from the midfield, even from O'Hara.
I can forive a team beating us if they were better than us but I can NEVER forgive a lack of effort. Where was the desire and commitment from the second half v Burnley? That's what they should be showing week-in week-out, not just when the manager puts a rocket up them.
When you think of Man Utd you think of free flowing football. But what no-one talks about is that they work their nuts off to get the ball back when they lose it. That's just as important as the fancy stuff, if not more so.
Look at the bottom 8 teams: Bolton, Sunderland, Portsmouth, Man City, Stoke, Spurs, Blackburn, West Brom.
How would you describe them? I'm betting the phrase 'hard-working' would feature heavily, with the exception of Spurs and possibly Man City.
Compare the Spurs' squad to those teams. It's a f*****g joke that we're where we are. The players need to pull their fucking fingers out.
Harry can help things along by playing players in their correct fucking position! Look at Villa -- settled side, everyone knows their job.
No more defensive shit, we should be taking the game to opponents. Whatever happened to playing to your strengths? That's what Wigan do with big strong forwards. It's what Villa do with their counter-attacking game, even at home.
We should be playing to our strengths too -- attacking teams and putting them on the back foot. If it had been end-to-end yesterday (ie. a game of fucking football) we'd have had every chance of winning it. Ok rant over...
Reply to WillyLight:
Willy,
What has positive got to do with anything?
I am not a Spurs fan, neither am i a Spurs hater. I have some really fond memories of coming to whl.
You have been badly run and managed. To get rid of Jol to get into the top 4 is absoutley moronic. I know it's not your fault personally, but it is a symptom of your meaningless positive approach.
Until Spurs fans recognise and accept their mid table status, they will not go forward.
On paper you have a great players, but it is not a team.
Go ahead and imagine 9 home wins and 5 away draws.Unless you are a bit more realistic you are going to get a big shock.
Harry talks a good game, but he has never built a truly good team from scratch. He has his favourite players and takes them wherever he goes. It hasn't worked yet.
You are right. Lets be positive.
You only have to find 20pts from somewhere.
You get nothing for beating Burnley.
It's been SOOO blindingly obvious what our problem is all season. NO GOALS!! I would even stretch to say that barring mishaps, our defence is pretty good.
Have only conceded more than 2 goals in a game once this entire season. And we didnt lose that game. Our results page reads almost like binary in places. 1-0 , 0-1, 0-0, 1-1 , 0-1, etc etc. We have 7 clean sheets this season. We only got 9 in the whole of last season.
We've only lost by more than 1 goal twice in the league. Our defence is not the problem here! A one goal deficit is easy to turn around but we just haven't had the savvy up front to deal with it. Man Utd or Liverpool go a goal down, they turn up the heat and push on. we go one down and then barely register a shot!
Reply to rashskitz:
Obviously you never went to any games when we were under under Martin Jol Rash Heed^^^^
Who were "all the fans" that wanted Martin Jol out?? We loved Martin Jol and backed him to the end.
It was a sad day when he was sacked after taking us so far (fifth in the premier league lets not forget!) Yes we were having a poor season but lets not forget what he didi for us during the good times!
NONE of the fans EVER wanted Martin Jol out. I was there at every game and we were singing Martin Jol's name even at his last game against Getafe. And I reckon the same will be so of Harry Redknapp. Give the bloke a chance - he's just got here and inherited an unbalanced side! We'll pull out of it for sure under Redknapp and go from strength to strength. But not with fans like you slagging our team off.
Go to some games, back the team and back the manager!
COYS!
i think we will beat the drop IF
we keep to an attacking 4-4-2 and play our best players in their best positions.....
bent ( can't win headers, runs in predictable staight lines and shows no skill to beat a man ), zokora (can't pass, can't shoot - can't )and possibly lennon ( swearbox is full )are just not doing enough.............
Reply to Leo:
Robbie Keane to send us down with a late winner?
We've really fucked with Lady Luck somewhere along the line. Now she and her good friend Karma are going to town on us.
It's only now that evryone is starting to realise the depth of sh*t that we really are in. Good / reasonable cup performances are masking our pathetic league form.
There are plenty of players in our squad who should be good enough to get us out of this mess. There are also plenty of players who done seem to give a f*ck. The question is, do we have eleven that are prepared to go out and die for the cause?
My starting XI against Pompey.
Gomes
Corluka
Dawson
Woody
O'Hara
Bentley - With a rocket from 'Arry saying, forget the fancy flicks, deliver the ball where it will cause a problem.
Huddlestone
Zokora - Not everyone's choice, but has some fight about him.
Modric
Pavlyuchenko
Defoe
Subs
Alnwick
King
BAE
Lennon
Ghaly
Dos Santos
Bent
If Appiah has signed & cleared to play, he starts instead of Zokora.
Sell Jenas & Bale as a priority to raise funds for a quality left back. That has to be our greatest need at the moment. Could we get someone like O'Shea. Left midfield can be filled by O'Hara, Modric, Dos Santos for now.
Reply to harry dean:
"Until Spurs fans recognise and accept their mid table status, they will not go forward. " - how can we go forward if we must accept a mid table status. Surely by accepting that in fact we are mid table means we can't and won't go forward.
he built Pompey on very little and did a decent job at West Ham.
The positivity is not meaningless unless it has no foundation. we do as you say have great players, and that is a start. All the clubs that are in trouble will be looking for that positivity in any areas they can find. Stoke for example have great doggedness and that is where they will be looking at for positivity and drawing from that, hence 0-0 against Liverpool.
Reply to harry dean:
harry, currently i'd be delighted if we were a midtable club but we are in the poop and I would think most would recognise that.
The problem does not lay with our fans, deluded though we may be, but that is not the point.
Who died and gave you the authority to come on here and knock our expectations of future good performances. When has fanatical support ever had a touch of realism attached to it. What right do you have - a self admitted non spurs supported, to pour pessimism and scorn on the positive approach of one of our fans.
Until you realise and accept that I don't therefore give a toss on your opinions of our fans (as you aren't one), you will be the one not going forward
willy,
bent wont go this window, but he will in the summer. wherever he goes, at a huge loss, he will score goals. lots of them. he will be played regularly and his pace used to counter attack.
You have good strikers and you have had good strikers.
There is no point stating the blindingly obvious. We can't score goals.
You have goals all over your team. You have great players, but they are not fighters and few of them feel they have anything to prove. That is your problem. Forget United and the Shite. You have to worry about Blackburn and Hull. Big Sam will make it really hard to beat them and if you go there with your fancy players on outrageous wages, you will lose. Never mind Don't Panic, your players Don't like it up em.
There is no-one you can sign that will give you a quick fix. You have to look to this squad and a mental shift from your players. You are becoming a soft touch.
Reply to WillyLight:
"There are also plenty of players who done seem to give a f*ck."
I agree -- what worries me is I'm not sure some of these millionaires even know what it feels like to 'leave nothing on the pitch', to give it absolutely everything...
Reply to spurfect one:
Oh, yes, my rose tinted glasses didn't see quite how bad our run in is! Gutted.
While I pray that it wont happen, if we were to go down, I'd still support us just as much if not more, and I hope everyone here would do the same.
The sad fact is, that just isnt the case sometimes nowaday.
But as for Didier Zokora - god bless 'im, he tries his hardest but hes simply not good enough for us, especially in this position.
WE NEED BALLS TO THE STRIKERS.
Tom Huddlestone needs to be back in the team.
He could be the key to our season.
And let me introduce you to the basic equation of whats gone wrong with our season:
Goals scored < Goals Conceded x The element of no fucking service from midfield to the strikers.
Reply to WillyLight:
Yes, our defense is no longer the worst in the league, however, our midfield is. Midfield has always been our main weak point, but with Keane and Cunt up front, they created alot of chances between themselves, for themselves.
Midfield needs an overhaul, with the same players playing each week in a system that imbeciles can understand. Zokora I'm afraid, along with Jenas are two I don't wanna see in it.
Who could claim midfield for us outta the shower of shite we have at the minute?
Simple answer is, I don't know, and more worringly, neither does Harry (if he thinks Zokora is a footballer).
Reply to Pagey:
listen pagey,
i am not trying to upset you. i am appalled as a footy fan that spurs have become a soap opera. this site says your opinion please. i am giving you mine.
You may not care, and if you don't ignore my comments.
But let me tell you this. the problem is with your fans. You beat Roma at home and you think you will crack the top 4. You fill the airwaves with your ridiculous predictions. You get rid of Ramos. In comes Harry. You win a few games. He is the saviour. You should keep your gobs shut for a whole season. Let the team and Harry rebuild, then see where you are.
Lets hope you aren't playing Burnley again next season in the Championship.
Reply to harry dean:
we've been a soft touch since last season when the slippers and pipes came out following the Wembley win.
If we have goals all over our team, who's scoring them? Because as far as i've seen, we have scored 1 goal in 5 in the league. Whether it's poor service or poor finishing, we are letting games that we should have won, get drawn, and games that we should have drawn, lost. A defence wont win you games unless the attack does it's job too. Regardless of whether it's blindingly obvious or not, it's a stone cold fact, and a point worth discussing on a Spurs forum me thinks.
Its disappointing Harry is making his excuses already.
havent got the players to stay up in a division comprising Stoke, Hull and West Brom?
give me a break.
"They (the players) put the club in it, so it is up to them to get us out of it". Yep, sure looks like HR is starting to deflect blame away from some baffling decisions he made yesterday. Of course the players are culpable too, but playing a team that includes 4 recognised CBs plus Zokora makes it far too easy for the opposition to nullify any attacking threat. Modric/Lennon alone will not be able to create enough for our forwards, who are not in the same mould as those of last season (won't name any names) who could both create and score goals. And why is Cesar Sanchez so mistrusted? He's played Champions League matches for Real Madrid FFS. If he really is that bad put another keeper on the bench. I believe we have the players needed to battle hard and play good football and HR has to do what he was brought in for: pick a balanced, consistent starting 11, apply the right tactics for the situation, and change it with correct substitutions if it's all going tits up.
Reply to Nunchucks:
yes.
always far less than the sum of our parts.
And yet we always try and solve the problem with a big name signing or two.
harry is supposed to be the man who can get players playing. This is why he is here, not to start bleating about needing more money.
Been there, dont that. Didnt work.
Coax the ability we have in our squad into a coherent footballing side.
Harry Redknapp is correct the player we got at the moment are a bunch of overpaid twats who have not got the bottle to fight. If this story about Jenas being stripped of the vice captain is true HR has done the correct thing. We are in a relegation fight and if we go down its because the lazy players we got not HR. Lets support him for the rest of the season despite what may happen.
Reply to jolsgonemental:
It's not the abilities of said players that is concerning, it's their lack of willingness to use their abilities to do the job they get incredibly well paid for. Players at WBA, Stoke and Hull are for the most part new to the Prem, know how effing hard it was to get there in the first place and damn well appreciate where thay have got themselves. Our boys wouldn't know hard work if it came cleaned their swimming pool, washed their ferrari and retiled their mansions. That is the difference. And the real cunt of it all, is if we do go down, all those players will leave and go to Prem clubs as if the whole relegation thing never happened. If they to play for Tottenham Hotspur in the premier league, and not just play in the premier league, then they need to start fucking doing it!
The 3 strikers on display (total cost £45+ million) should be made to watch the video of that game every day until the penny drops. Heskey and Zaki worked their socks off all game making life hard for our defence. If they didn't have the ball they hustled to get it back. Our lot just put hands on hips and shrug. Should we be surprised by Defoe? I don't think so - that's how he has always been and the reason Ramos didn't rate him. All the talent in the world is useless in this league without the right work ethic. Glad to see HR is losing patience - not before time.
Reply to WillyLight:
willy,
hope you don't mind me weighing in. really, no offense meant. You mention Stoke's 0-0. Each one of those players gave everything and could walk off, even if they had lost knowing they gave everything. You would not have one of those Stoke players in your team and that is the problem. You have great footballing names all over the pitch. Someone above said, get M'bia in and we'll be fine. That's just one more unhappy player on the bench or in the squad.
You and City are the two squads in the biggest mess. Too many players. Everyone else around you have squads with players who know their jobs and get on with it even if they are out of position.
You have to match those teams around you with muscle and hope for a lucky break. No team now ever gives up. It's rare to roll anyone over because they are scared of the names on a team sheet. Derby were the only team I have seen literally collapse on running out onto the pitch.
do we have to match the teams around us with muscle?
isnt that what we tried yesterday and failed at?
Isnt the problem that we cant string 4 passes together? I thought we defended for the most part pretty well.
it was what we did when we had the ball that let us down. Why cant we string 10, 15 , 20 passes together?
Reply to harry dean:
No. The fans optimism does not equate to players not playing well. The fans appreciation of a decent preseason does not automatically create the farce we have endured again this season. The fans did not hire or fire Jol, Ramos HR or any other manager for that matter, nor player nor coach nor tealady. So how we can be responsible for anything you are suggesting is beyond me.
If you'd said for example, your fans are a bunch of gobshites, ha ha ha this'll teach you for your ridiculous predictions, I couldn't argue with you there. Fully justified. I'd go as far to say I wholeheartedly agree and find all the endless bickering with Newcastle fans in particular about who is the bigger club very tedious and embarassing, let alone when we crow to others that we are going to break the top 4, that only serves to create a rod that is only later firmly inserted in our collective arses to use on our backs. But your assertions that the club is in the position it's in because of the fans misplaces your point I believe.
The only thing the fans are responsible for is when we get on the backs of our own players during the actual games and booing them - not acceptable. I personally don't rate Zokora in any shape or form, but would never, ever boo him
I just can't believe its the same result - a ground hog day of the football variety. Even the Gooner scum seemed to work out that we take the foot off of the gas in the last few minutes of any game.
How many times have we thrown it away in injury time, extra time or the dying moments of a game?
We need to realise that a game ain't over until the fat underpaid ref blows his Pipe!
I always have faith and hope but I must confess that these are two traits that are smaller in supply than they were for me this time last season!
If any one can motivate the current squad in to action then Arry is our man, but I wouldn't want his job. No wonder he twitches alot!!
COYS
Reply to jolsgonemental:
I have to agree with you .Harry should be able to get us up the table with what he has,it`s no good throwing good money after bad .Bentley did not become useless because he pulled on a Spurs shirt ,Harry would want to lose the sad face and get on with the job if he is able .But I have a feeling that Harry and his cronies are not up to it .
I think its fair to say that if we don't pick up at least 4 points against Pompey and Stoke, then the fat lady is doing vocal excercises. I think we need to prioritise our season and this means reserve team for the FA Cup and UEFA. It also means a new attitude away from home of going for 3 rather than 1 point. And the final priority is to say thanks Ledley but its over
Reply to harry dean:
By all means weigh in. Stoke worked hard and got what they deserved and that attitude runs through the team. If they play badly, they can go off the pitch saying, well, we're Stoke in the premier League, cest la vie. Spurs on the other hand seem to have the attitude of turning up in part guarentees a result and when it doesn't happen, they get analysed to fuck and confidence vanishes leaving all those puffed up players, deflated and questioning themselves. It's no wonder our best performances this season have come against Chelsea, Arsenal and Man United.
Well... make some money on a 8/1 bet?!
Are 9 teams really more likely to go down than us?
West Brom 2/9 Middlesboro 11/2
Stoke 1/3 Newcastle 11/2
Portsmouth 5/2 Tottenham 8/1
Sunderland 7/2 Fulham 10/1
Hull City 7/2 Man City 16/1
Blackburn 4/1 Wigan 25/1
Bolton 4/1 Everton 66/1
Reply to jolsgonemental:
There is only one team that can really outplay sides with good football and get away with it and that's utd. everyone else has come unstuck. If you don't muscle you will lose. Muscle doesn't mean having big guys lumping it forward. It means putting hard tackles in, closing down players running till your lungs fall out. Rooney can do both, Cahill is a master of Iron fist, velvet glove.
The team you put out yesterday put no fear into Wigan. Get Huddlestone back.
Reply to harry dean:
if we try and out bully stoke/pompey we will lose
yes we need more fight. the term muscle was in reference to you using it.
But we need to start playing football as well.
Reply to Pagey:
pagey,
answer this honestly,
in august, with all your new signings, with your great pre season form, if i'd have told you you would finish 14th, what would you have said. You would have called me a dick. You the fans we're talking champions league.
This all filters through to the players and the club.
Two losses and it's a disaster.
If you would have all said, don't be daft, we are not a top four club, it does gives the player some room to play.
They hear all the moaning on the radio.
If the fans have nothing to do with the club and it's signings then you are wrong. I thought harry removed a player from the team and the squad because of your fans booing. Look at the barcodes who actually chose their manager
Reply to zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz:
We have beaten Bolton and City out of your list and I cant see them going down
50/50 whether we stay up or not in my opinion.
The trouble with Harry Redknapp is he is more interested in talking to sky sports than he is in managing spurs. He should sit between his son and monkey paws and we should give the job to someone who actually cares.
Reply to WillyLight:
willy, you played well against Chelski, Arse and Utd, because they came to you as they would to Wigan or Stoke. A win for them. You rose to the occasion.
The problem is for Spurs, they go to Wigan thinking they are Utd or Chelsea, not that they are fellow strugglers. All i hear is, look at the team, we will come good. It doesn't happen like that. There is no-one in this league that you can go to and expect to win.
Stoke and their fans know their place and base this on their results. They also play to their strengths.
It's nothing to do with over analysing or vanishing confidence, it unrealistic expectations. You have the points you deserve.
The big sides give teams room to play because they know that most of the time they can outplay them and win.
That is the only time the opposition play to your strengths.
Everyone else will punch, kick and push you into the championship.
Harry will probably keep you in the Prem, but the fans also have to cheer draws. Confidence grows from not losing.
the players only question themselves when they look around and wonder whose going to get stuck in. Forget playing football. A one - nil scrap will save you. A five nil home win is the same points.
It's a sad state of affairs when right now I would settle for mid table mediocrity.
Mediocre would be a giant leap for spurskind right now.
We need a heart in the team, someone who doesn't accept "Sorry mate, didn't see him there" Someone who'll tear people a new arseh*le on the pitch for screwing it up.
Fuck the happy clappy "put an arm round him" bollocks, You're being paid a fortune, at least TRY and earn it.
Harry, any news on Hunt?
Thing is, Redknapp was spot on when he said we had no guts or fight to us, and last week when he said we were naive.
Players like Jenas Bentley and Bale think they are superstars and give little effort on the pitch. THe sad thing is Gareth Bale has the potential to be one of the best left backs in the world and he's pissing it away. Bentley is displaying more and more exactly what's wrong with football these days, more concerned about his appearence and doesn't look bothered when we've lost and he's played badly again. A wide player with no pace and an awful touch? Never heard of such sillyness up until now.
As for Jenas, I am still shocked when I hear people still rate him. Luckily, I dont think Harry does. He came on for 5 mins yesterday, didnt mark up well enough on the goal then looked around as if someone else should have been there.
Dawson and King looked genuinely gutted yesterday when we lost. Nobody else really looked too bothered, though I'm sure O'Hara was to an extent as he is one of the few players who seems to always give his all for us.
Truth is this is a team that lacks backbone, character and commitment. Most of the team need to stop looking at others to blame and start looking at themselves.
Bale and Bentley need to start shaping up or fuck off. Attitude is awful.
Big games including Arsenal and a likely Wembley date coming up, lets not piss them away
Reply to Sid Trotter:
I'll put a pound on him still playing in the championship next season.
I know it's easy to blame Jenas. To be fair, 13 other tossers did f' all before he came on... he just made it 14.....
Reply to harry dean:
Rubbish. Believing you are average or adequate does not motivate or inspire. If anything it has the opposite effect. Any successful side belive they are the best or can be the best.
We played well against Arse, Man United and Chelsea because they came to play their football and allowed us to play ours. Regardless of what you think of us, Spurs do not play the same kind of football as Stoke, Blackburn, Wigan or Bolton and teams do not come to us or await our visit on the same principles as they would against the teams just mentioned. We have been found out against physical sides with well organised defences and raised our games against the big guns.
Reply to HenryPercy:
ah, you reckon he'll sign then ....
bottom line...if bale plays we dont win!!
We are Spurs. Death or glory, nothing in between. And at the moment it looks like death.
Reply to Sid Trotter:
It doesn't matter either way.... I still win a pound... unless he goes to Wigan of course.
The problem is fairly simple - the majority of our players do't give a shit about the club.
If all of the players were asked to answer the following question honestly - "Are you proud to play for Tottenham Hotspur? Or are you proud that you are a Premiership Footballer?"
I wonder what the outcome would be.
I call these players 'Wayne Routledge's'- My friend was at Crystal Palace when he was younger when Routledge was there. Routledge was by far the most talented lad there, but he was a wanker and didnt give a shit.
I believe we have several of these types of players and the sooner we get rid the better.
The only way out of this is to flog several of the stars/prima donna's we have....
hard...
with birch....
A nice dose of flagellus horribilis should concentrate the mind!
Reply to WillyLight:
keep thinking that willy and it will all end in tears.
tell me which teams your are better than then.
tell me who you should rightfully be above because your spurs and you've spent £100m on players.
Spurs go to small teams, lose and come away confused. The teams you play are not just well organised, they are teams and believe me they don't raise their games against you.
You are now seen as a bit of a soft touch. Every team will fancy at least a draw against you when you are away.
It's been a long time since fans looked at fixture list and wrote off the Spurs game as a home loss.
More teams fear Wigan and Fulham than you.
It's nothing to do with believing you are average. Does Rory Delap believe he is average. No he doesn't. he believes he's the best he can possibly be. Your players think they are world beaters because someone paid a fortune for them.
Get this into your head willy and then you will see your plight in a clear light.
You keep taking this personally as if i am picking on spurs. I am not. This has been coming for a while and until you look at your club and pray for 17th and cheer on the last day when you survive and look at it as a good season, then you are kidding yourself.
You do not play the same football as those mentioned. But who do you think you play like. Who is you are telling me you are like. Do you think you are as good as Chelsea and Arse, its just not quite gone your way.
What i think you are saying you dont want to play football like stoke, blackburn or wigan. well your not. they are all getting points
Can someone explain to me why Harry Dean is here making inaccurate observations about fans being responsible for league position, and said fans allegedly claiming we would be CL contenders this season despite losing Keane and Berbatov?
Much obliged.
First time post, been reading for more than a year, this blog is quality. On the evidence of yesterdays showing it seems like the plan is to try and avoid losing rather than going out for the win. I've been thinking that if we put the emphasis on attacking play and our strikers get some service we might actually win a few more. We are lightweight in midfield so maybe try to play a more mobile attacking game and hope to God we can score one more than the other team. If we aren't going to recruit and the players can't play a strong tight midfield game, maybe just field the players who can create chances. Huddlestone, Modric, Lennon - play Bale at left-mid with O'Hara at left back? Obviously in an ideal world we'd drop a lot of the deadwood and make good purchases now, but it's not happening.
Reply to Nunchucks:
Cos he's a twat? Just an observation.
Reply to Nunchucks:
listen nunchucks,
if you listened to radio 5 dead at the begining of the season, then thats all your fans banged on about. I have Spurs fan friends and they all said the same. We are CL potential.
What is inaccurate?
Just found the sight and thought i'd join in. Sorry if it's annoying you.
Reply to harry dean:
Who do you support?
Reply to harry dean:
Im not taking it personally. I enjoy the debate. And from the responses you give me, you seem to think i am a deluded Spurs fan, who belives we have a god given right to win things and be grat becuase we throw money at things. This whole debate came out of me saying that being positive will do more good than moaping and dwelling on things. The manager is there to fix the problems, the players need to get their acts together. Spurs had too two good seasons and got highly rated and because of that teams treated them differently. Our players don't think that they are better than they are because there is no evidence to suggest otherwise. What they do have is a sense of complacency because of the fact that they are good players, internationals, with large wages and as i said earlier, should the club go down the players will pop back up elsewhere. Whereas a lot of the players at Stoke, Hull, Bolton, WBA, Blackburn, Sunderland know that should they go down, finding a top flight club that wants them, could be hard to come by. That is the trouble we have.
I'm guessing he is an Everton fan. Praising Cahill and calls Liverpool "the shite".
Reply to harry dean:
You're not annoying me. I am just bemused by your verbose rantings.
Reply to Chris:
too fucking right.
Bale Jenas Bentley Bent Zokora main candidates.
Reply to Nunchucks:
I'm surprised he has friends, spurs fans or otherwise.
the wrong players were chosen to playin a formation i quite like,
firstly zokora and king should never be in the same midfield, i can see what reknapp tried to do but he was worried more about them attacking and being too negative. what should have happened is this: king should have played in his normal position (no dawson) zokora infront of the centre backs, ohara where he was and lennon on the right, we needed to scare them, attack them let them worry about us aswell because we had too many defensive players on the pitch and it didnt work, we cannot just rely on modric to supply, we need to run at them as well and if things didnt get better then replace ohara with huddlestone.i Like the formation and it can work but redknapp has to be a bit more enthusiatic with his approach to games, look at utd they have 5 attacking players every single game, yesterday we had 3, 2 strikers and modric now that is not good enough for me we needed with with lennon not zokora and huddlestone eventualy for modric or ohara andwe would have won. BTW he played king just for the sake of playing him, dawson should have been droped, we dont need to play 4 centre back just because they are available. CONCLUSION: the formation was right , they choice of players was wrong, id like to see this formation again but with a more enthusiastic approach as redknapp was naive yesterday and he never should be after over 1000 premiercship gamesto his name.
Anyone thought about the world cup 2010, if its championship football everysingle international worth two shits will be on their bike, never going to get considered if they play the season in the championship. So whats that Bent, Defoe, Lennon, Jenas, T.Hud, Bentley, Woodgate, Mod, LM, Pav...i can't think hu would stay!! ledley cuz he cudn't walk n e where else, o'hara cuz he bleeds white n blue! The real shit is 2 seasons away
I tried to add you, but found too many profiles under the name scouse twat.
There are even more of them...
The same players (under Harry)wre out played by arsenal and Liverpool but the got something from those games. the difference was that they fought much harder during those games, the tempo was higher, they closed down and they never gave up.
Distinctly average teams like Wigan and Bolton have proved over and over again how these qualities can win matches. they also show how playing hard and closing down can make so called flair teams like arsenal and Spurs look worse than average.
The flair can be the icing on the cake but untill we learn to get stuck in every match we will keep getting rolled over by teams that work harder than us!
The problem is you have to have good players to break into the top four. Being hard to beat and getting stuck in / playing long ball etc will only take you so far.
We were on the cusp, however in my eyes the CL is destroying football/ All the best players want to play in it and it tends to be the same teams. As I said we get to the cusp but if you haven't made it after a couple of seasons contracts starting coming towards the end and the four CL teams start tapping up the better players who want CL football and so you lose them. Do you think we'd be in this spot with Carrick, Berbatov, Keane all in the side? We also lost Davids as his legs had gone. These players are very difficult to replace, the top players want to play in the CL so that rules them out. You have to go to the players with potential or those (Berba) that the top sides aren't totally convinced of. We take the risk - however who knows if they'll settle or be any good, the sure things go to CL sides. As such we'br become a nursery club and the players that are left have not been used to scrapping for their lives, this puts us at a real disadvantage when things aren't going our way. I can see similar happening at Villa, if come may their not in the CL the same happens next season players like Young, Agbonlahor (?) Barry won't wait any longer and will not sign the new contract or demand moves.
More Importantly -
The other thing is that scousers are horrible thieving cunts, hunting in packs round the high streets of the north west, hundreds of them travelling 50 miles on the rob. Scum - Here's to global warming sinking the shit hole.
Oh and anyone that's been to a V festival or the like will have surely seen packs of these vermin robbing people and giving them a kicking. Lovely types, just look at Rooney and Barton imbred twats.
ps Thanks for posting YSB's (YOU SCOUSE BASTARDS)
Well I'd like to thank Harry for his contribution, it was literate, articulate and grammatically excellent. And a constructive and fair objective view. However, I for one am sick of being told that Yids go around telling everyone we are top 4. That is a myth. The media talks us up for some God knows what reason and we get accused of being deluded. I dont know any Yid who reckoned we'd break the top 4 this season. We're no different to any other group of supporters. We are optimistic on the whole, but thats fair enough surely? Take it back Harry, you've been taken in by the red tops mate.
Reply to Johnnycheshunt:
Top 4 was being mentioned during the Euro's before we lost the best pair of strikers we had for a long time.
No way would we have gone to Wgan 12 months ago and played Defoe and Bent in front of those 2.
Pav deserves some time as he has now played football for the past 120 months 24 hours a day or something like that, but we urgently need some invention in the money part of the pitch.
Reply to WillyLight:
Liverpool are shite ,so Everton most be twice as shite
Reply to TonyGalvinsShinpads:
Villa have the balance right. Dependable keeper, solid and consistent back four, two solid mid fielders who work hard and can pass a ball, flanked by inventive/pacey wingers. Pace and power up front.
Modric,9)Pav 10)Defoe 11)Lennon,
Must play every game where possible(with relevent shirt numbers just like in the old days): 1)Gomes 2)Corluka 4)Woody 6)Hudd
....need a 3) a 5) and a 7) from this lot...
Daws, King, O'Hara, Bale, BAE, Zokora, Jenas, Appiah*, Bentley.
Reply to harry dean:
who are all these fans who keep saying top four etc....like you say.....i am a tottenham fan and i've never thought we were going to finish in the top four...are you mad....two 5th's were good fun and we nearly took out the goons once...but seriously i haven't said we are going to smash into the top four....i've noticed our league positions over the years since the premiership began...not very good.....
the media might say it,some players say it at the start but what else are they going to say,some fans may believe it because they read shit newspapers every day.....
you are an everton fan are you..i believe... apologies if you are not...
so you must be the same everton fan who wanted moyes sacked every year after your good finish bad finish seasons....i remember the calling for moyes to get sacked all the time...that was you was it....
good job old billy wasn't listening....and that you were skint......
good luck for the rest of the season.....coys..
Harry tells it as he sees it. He's right, it's not accidental that we find ourselves in this position. I think he doesn't fancy, Pav,Bent,Bentley,Bale, but in January you can't replace them with the players he wants. So, he has to fasten down the hatches and battle our way out of it. Which we will do. But I would like to see Dos Santos given a run. I would definatelly swap Bale for Downing.
and another thing....harry dean...
we might not be equipped in modern terms like the so called big four...but when we do get to finals.....we beat the likes of chelsea.... last year remember.....
I'd settle for 4th.............from bottom
Reply to zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz:
hello spurssandy,
we won't be expecting a long matchday post..then
could it have gone any worse....hope the car didn't break down or your wallet didn't get nicked just to make the day that bit more enjoyable......
still...that zaki plays like a beast maybe davspurs is right....
£8 million + Jenas for Palacios
Reply to KOJAC:
Davspurs is always right!
See how emaciated those boys looked! (I'd hate to see them at their proper weight!).
Any chance Davspurs could get some for our boys?
i'm an 'arry enthusiast but this dumping on the players is pretty bloody graceless. he tried an experimental formation and it tanked. wing backs stuck in our half, zok in the most unsuitable role you could ever dream up. then there's the bizaare subbing of in-form players while a crocked goalie stays on. it's not that pav or modric weren't trying its that no one could get the ball near them. and what's the point of putting cesar on the bench when you're clearly not going to use him even if gomes' head falls off. we came to this game off a great second half aqainst burnley, why not put in defoe for cambell and carry on? players aren't good one day and crap the next, they don't start and stop trying overnight. the difference between 2nd half burnley and wigan was a negative formation, better opposition and an injured goalie. by all means experiment but when i goes tits up be ready to carry the can and learn the lesson.
Reply to Nick_The_Greek:
Throw in Zokora for good measure.
Reply to Johnnycheshunt:
ok johnnycheshunt,
where did you think you would finish after your 5-0 pre season win over Roma?
bet you would never have said 17th.
how good do you actually think you are then.
is your position false or is about right.
lets see how deluded you are.
Reply to gilzean's barber:
Arry got his badges when he ws 21.
off the back of a lorry. the cheeky chappy.
4-4-2 harry. dont try and be clever.
Reply to harry dean:
if you think our with our squad we should have expected no better than 17th then youre deluded.
can anyone tell me why we are playing on Sunday again? Not that I would begrudge a 7 day hiatus for a change but still...!!!
Reply to gilzean's barber:
Im with you there, as Burnley but Pav with Defoe up front.
Tried something different (probably would work against other teams) but came up well short yesterday.
Bring on Pompey!
Reply to WillyLight:
Have we played 2 matches on a Saturday at 3 o'clock this season?
I thought the 5-0 over Roma was a freak result mate. Listen, I'm Spurs through and through, I suffer, and have suffered for years over the mismanagement of my team, particularly as I come from a split household, my Mothers dyed in the wool Goon and a nasty one at that. There's no delusion here Harry, the two 5th places got us all excited yes, but once the transfer window dust had settled, I knew we'd be struggling to get in the UEFA this season and I reckon so did most sensible Yids. There's no delusion Harry, I was raised by a lifelong YID, I know when we last won the league mate, it was 1961.
Sorry, yes, my expectation was mid table. Not relegation, no siree. It was after the 2nd game, Sunderland I believe, that my Father turned to me and said, we could get relegated, so disgusted was he with the performance. I chose to remain optimistic. Now I'm struggling.
Reply to KOJAC:
ah kojak,
every club has its idiots and you sound like one of them. Fans did call for Moyesies head, but not me.
For some strange reason there is a hard core of Evertonians who have never taken to Moyes. Don't get it myself. Maybe its because they have seen two league titles in the 80's and they want another and Moysie wont get us one. It's got nothing to do with sacking the manager, there has been a real shift in expectations at Everton. Even though we have finished in the top 4, no-one expect it again soon.
Where did you think you would finish at the begining of the season? How good do you think you are?
There were plenty banging on to Alan Red on radio 5 dead about your potential this season.
Is it official that Jenas has been stripped of the vice captaincy? Good player on his day, but not what we need. I still can't believe that for the last 3 seasons we have needed a LW and FA has been done - and 16.5m spunked up the wall on Bent who couldn't hit a barn door with a drunk donkey.
Get Appiah in, and play 4-4-2 Harry! Get Jenas on his way, and spend on a decent LW, another CF, CB and reserve GK. I really don't get how the hell we are 18th - 4th was unrealistic as soon as we had Darren Bent as our only striker. At season's start I thought UEFA qualification through a cup was the only way we would get anything, and I still think the same now. Then again last seasons cup win saw us turn into slackers and show the form of Derby County.............I'd trade that cup for staying up this year.
Reply to munso:
I think it's 3 times. But only once at home (23rd August v Sunderland)
We lost all 3 of them. Boro, S'land, Fulham
Reply to jolsgonemental:
it's got nothing to do with squad, it's where you finish.
answer the question jolsgonetothetopwithhamburg. where did you think you would finish. let's see how deluded you are
Reply to harry dean:
well your right about greeno being a red....but to be honest when you have the internet you do not need radio posh....and their moronic callers....
but i do think you might be an idiot or lonely....can anyone find a link so harry dean can go home to a toffee blog...
Reply to JOHNNYCHESHUNT:
what i can't understand is how your squad is where it is, but it goes to show how fragile success is. look how much the shite have spent and if Gerrard has a bad day, or Alonso is injured they are v average.
You need to stick with harry and give him years to turn around the team. will the fans and levy have the patience?
See Harry Dean, aren't we a nice bunch really? Once you get to know us? Alright, you've had some stick today, but on the whole, you've had a nice banter. We dont expect anything but passion and commitment and sensible management from The Spurs. None of which we get very often, so thats why we're cheesed. Well alright we do expect a bit of flair and some showing off too. You wouldn't get anything out of the Goons mate, not even an insult. They'd just blank you mate. Horrible people.
Reply to KOJAC:
Here's a good one LINK
Reply to harry dean:
there's obviously loads of Yids who want Harry and Levy out now. Its not the answer though. I think most people can now see with the benefit of hindsight that we should've stuck with Jol. And I was all for the Ramos appointment. Nope, none of us can at the moment think long term, its one week at a time sweet Jesus for us now. And thats a cue for us all to come together in song....
Reply to KOJAC:
kojak,
i just get bored on toffee sites when everyone agrees, just fancied a bit of banter. It's about time Spurs sorted themselves out. Bet you are pleased Keane having a shit time with the shite. Get him back in the summer for half price and he will kiss your badge, tell you he was a boyhood sours fan and all will be forgiven
Reply to WillyLight:
good....that should keep him busy for a while.....until he works it out....
Reply to harry dean:
Everyone agrees on toffee sites?
Here it's a plethora of insults and disagreements!
Wouldn't have it any other way!
Reply to harry dean:
Soooooorry Harry Dean. I guess Spurs throw around a little too much ambition for your liking. And this is what really annoys you isn't it. The Spurs fan's (often imagined) nostalgia for a by-gone, halcyon, push and run era, and the mantra of its better to fail aiming high than succeed aiming low. And the fact that Spurs fans (by and large) never give up the dream. Class and aesthetic. When the current residual doesn't measure up, we don't scrap the blueprint, we don't talk about how we can become the next Everton, instead we talk about new players and managers who can take us to the "next level". And You want to come on here talk sense into the "delusion" Spurs fans. "Tighten the belt, get stuck in, you should have been happy with two 5th place finishes" blah, blah, blah.
No, I didn't think Spurs were in for a top four finish. But forgive me for being unapologetic. This is a massive club whose reach should excede its grasp.
So go ahead, enjoy Everton's 5th place finish. But the majority of us will still be delusional.
i'm depressed..
don't know what to say abnout yesterday..
a win would have taken us to 11th..
what an opportunity.. could have easily kicked on from there..
Reply to harry dean:
you haven't met dannyboy yet....have you?
Hello all, been a while since I last posted. But I just saw on the official site KPB is off to Dortmund on a loan. I am a newer spurs fan and cannot rate him, but from what all of you have seen is he even worth it to bring him back, or are we trying to increase his value? I think I remember correctly that HR rated him at one point, so why for a "characterless" team are we shipping out a player with passion and fire to Germany? Just curious at what you all thought.
Reply to KOJAC:
Sorry, there wasn't much point doing a matchday post as 1) other more articulate people on here had it covered and 2) i was getting wrecked in a curry house (listening to the cheers of Manure fans over the road in the pub)
My mate couldn't even get his pie at HT, too busy. Pants.
Reply to amerispurs:
He was never my cup of tea...too flash...just what we dont need right now IMO
Reply to amerispurs:
coz we're a sellin, unambitious club.. that's why we are where we are..
Reply to munso:
and if 'arry thinks we've got too much dead wood what about some new blood at least on the bench. giovani, taarabt, bostock, rose? did anyone really think bent for pav was going to scare the shit out of brucie?
Reply to harry dean:
how good of mike parry to grace us with his "logic"
Reply to amerispurs:
I'd have been of the opinion that a young punk like the Prince, with a chip on his shoulder and a point to prove would be an ideal candidate to throw into the heady mix that is our non existent midfield. But after yesterday, I'm not sure what to think anymore.
Harry Dean,
Still waiting for you to justify your existence here, which you are still yet to do.
jolsgonemental made a perfectly sensible response to your penultimate expedition into lunacy, which you responded to with - and I believe this is verbatim: "it's got nothing to do with squad, it's where you finish."
I had no idea 'the squad' and 'where the team finish' were mutually exclusive concepts.
Most might suggest that it's a bit premature to be rubbing noses in finishing places when three points separate the top half of the table from the relegation zone, and we're only halfway through the season. However, seeing as you're the kid with all the answers, answer your own question: with the players currently on Tottenham's books, are you suggesting that at the beginning of the season, you foresaw 17th place?
Answer honestly and concisely, or fuck off back into the ether.
Reply to Bimmi:
it was a horrible watch on sunday.....
...no doubt about that....
i dread to think whats going to happen if we lose to pompey at home next sunday.....
what with all the animosity between the
clubs,the righteous press will be gunning for us that's for sure.....
i hope we rip them apart..3-0....to the spurs..
Reply to amerispurs:
I don't really get why KPB, Taarabt, Bostock etc... haven't been given a run. I mean young players with something to prove can't do worse than those who have been so inept all season. And I really hope that the KPB loan has a recall clause in it, as Harry has said we are down to the bare bones. If that is the case this loan is pointless!
Reply to KOJAC:
True, the press are gonna be all over this match like flies around shit.
My optimism died yesterday. I don't see how we can get the ball in the back of the net.
Titus Bramble was playing yesterday, and we still couldn't exploit his ineptitude.
Come On You Sp.......ah fuck it.
The 2 biggest mistake on Sunday were made by Harry. He took off our only passer - Modric.
Second biggest - no Huddlestone.
Those two can actually reach the opposition penalty area with a wide variety of passing. The others cannot get out of their training triangles and show poor ball skills.
Zokora & King are no attacking threat except King at set pieces - so you can imagine Bruce's tactics on hearing our team. Get at 'em!
I cannot believe that that's what we planned for - disgaceful! Negative Harry!
Making room for King and changing the whole set-up was wrong. I know Daws and Woody played well against Burnley so why change? Keep King on the bench if the team are doing ok ffs! You can always bring him on later to consolidate instead of bringing on a non-marking midfielder - Jenas.
I hope H has learned the lesson. We all make mistakes and this is, I think, his first tactical error.
He'll get it right!
Reply to weejp:
it sure looks bad weejp.....
we might not agree with harry and is 5-3-2 but as some have said...wigan are not a bad little outfit and on a fine run....6 out of 7....pretty good stuff....harry went for the hard to beat draw.....but we just didn't quite make it......
let's see what harry can do for the rest of the window....
but if we don't beat pompey on sunday.....we could be in really deep doo-doo....
let's hope white hart lane is rocking and we get an early goal.....
honestly i think that might be the formation Harry plans on playing.. with Appiah coming in there at DM...
I've no problem with it at all and i think it will be great for Bale once he get's his head out of his arse..
King's finished though.. it's time to say goodbye.. and it hurts me to say that..
just seen on sky sports website Roman Bednar's agent says we have shown interest in him. Blinkin' 'eck
Reply to harry dean:
come on mate... we had an abysmal start and if you consider Harry's points total its fair to assume we'd have won at least one of the first 8 games with him in charge. Just one extra win would've had us in eleventh now. there's a huge pack of clubs in this, all of whom are playing as inconsistently as us..
And this goes for everyone on here, i accept the concern, the panic even, but i don't wanna hear anyone talking about pushing on for uefa position if we win the next two (very winnable) home games...
Just as we shouldn't get over-excited if we win, we shouldn't unduly panic. It's not going well but the table doesn't lie- we are now in a strong position to survive. We couldn't say that in October.
i miss the days when we were pissed off coz Apurs were leaking goals but it was ok coz we might score a few as well..
"Spurs" even..
The point i'm making.. to clarify.. is that while we look through our fixtures finding it hard to see guaranteed wins, so will blackburn, Newcastle, Sunderland, bolton, Hull, West brom, Boro and all the others on 25 or less points.
Reply to Bimmi:
I like the formation too - but you need two good passers.
Reply to harry dean:
stoke and blackburn have less than three points more than us and didn't lose 6 of their first 8 games... threfore... in the months since Harry took over we have been catching up with the pack above us. Its gonna take hard work and guts, it may take abandoning our so-called footballing principles, but we will stay up this year.
Get Andrei Arshavin now!before we regret it.
Reply to harry dean:
Corrrr did the hospital forget to give you your pills once again?
Kojac is one of the better posters on here, and you; you're just an asshole to be frank. Completely full of shit.
Has it escaped everyone else's notice - we have been seeing underperforming since Harry announced at the Shareholders meeting that "we need proper players ". Not sute I'd be too impressed coming off of the early gritty performances that I wasn't a proper player. Harry opens his gob to the press too much.
Reply to rogerspurs:
So do the players. Baton down the hatches, I say. Defend as a team from within!
Reply to DesertSpur:
This is what I am wondering. I, by no means am a premier league coach, but if you want spark, send in the ones itching at PT. I know we all have players we want to see and buy, but from what we have, I could see us using G2S on the left against burnley, T-Bat late against Pompey, and Hudd as a start against Pompey. I really wish there was practice footage on some website to see what HR is doing and why players are played where they are played. Oh well, I support HR in what he is doing and I have faith in him to keep us from the drop and to better the squad throughout this year and the next.
Reply to NICK THE YID:
I agree with your sentiments nick. Is anyone else wondering why we havnt given charlie a run out as dm ? I think i would rather have swapped him for king and put zokora at right back as he seems to do less damage there. Surely charlie and modric have played together as the two centre mids in there past aswell
Reply to weejp:
Sounds like denis law all over again anyone remember that ?
BLANKET ON FIREEEEEEEEE!
DONT PANIC! DONT PANIC!
Reply to zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz:
if any spurs fan here is sure were gonna get relegated put 100 pounds on at 8/1. Thats 900 back come may which is a season ticket, maybe two for the championship the following year.
Of all the above mentioned teams which squad would you swap with ? Didnt think so
Reply to zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz:
After watching from the comfort of my smoking room in front of a roaring fire my thoughts turned to the Super Yidette Spurssandy cold sad and alone on a Wigan terrace and I came over all melancholy.
So glad to hear you restored yourself in the traditional
Reply to onedavemackay:
OOPPPS.
So glad to hear you restored yourself in the traditional English Manner.
Reply to notsohotspurs:
Spot on. Playing King ahead of the back four was an ok idea but having Zokora as well meant we had six outfield players who posed no attacking threat in open play. Even worse is that the full backs rarely overlapped so we had no natural width. HR would have been better off playing King at left back, playing O'Hara in front of him (though not his best position), playing Zokora and Huddlestone in the middle and Lennon on the right. It was never the right game for a lightweight like Modric.
I think Harry has been as erratic as the players recently.
Reply to onedavemackay:
LINK
Reply to HarryHotspur:
Thanks. What a classic
Reply to Nunchucks:
Well they all have heart but two of them can't play football = Dawson/Zokora, they can't pass and in football we need to pass, they both press the panic button, and Dawson HOOF with Zokora running up his own Arse, i understand what Harry is saying he doesn't need pretty players but we still need to play football, otherwise we are resigning us to Div 2 football play.
He just needs to get the balance or play a consistant team, fuck it if you upset some players if they ain't playing i would rather do that and stay up.
Reply to harry dean:
Huddlestone is a football player not a bruiser, the man is a man mountain but he can't put his wait about like others he never has done and never will he is a poor mans Glen Hoddle. We need a Steve Perryman that man was steel.
Reply to Spurs8182:
Thats weight not "wait" lol!!
Reply to onedavemackay:
More like the smell of pies got in my eyes!
Went with a mate - Liverpool fan! He's a very patient guy to watch that crap with me. Ah well.
I thank you for your kindly considerations
Rather like being called a Super Yidette!
steam... not smell. that wouldn't make sense.
we are fucked up big time. I am a spur fan for a real long time but gotta admit we are as bad as stoke at the moment regardless of millions we paid. We must put all we got in every match not just matches against big teams!!!