Sunday, 07 September 08, 04:36 PM · Comments (88)

HH is delighted to announce that Tottenham legend Graham Roberts is stepping forward for the role of Chairman of The Tottenham Hotspur Supporter's Trust.
Graham will speaking to the Trust this week in relation to this postion.
Graham told me, "I am really excited about this and genuinely feel I can push the profile of the Trust up big time." and of course he would.
Roberts would be perfect for this task. The last incumbant, as you may have read here only days ago - fled the post having been ground down with abuse, insinuation and accusations. No comment.
What is clearly required at this stage is a man who absolutely 'earned the right to get in the team, and fought every game to be in it.' He has an obviously strong football background and is experienced with the media. What he crucially lacks is vested interest. Graham won't be plugging a website or toadying up to the Powers That Be at The Lane, he's simply looking to add to a decent organisation which could surely do with his positivity and determination.
He is, as he was in the shirt- an honest, straightforward character. His view on the post of chairman is simple, "This is a great club and I have some great ideas."
With Graham Roberts you will get a guy who will be open and hands on. He wants and thrives on interaction with us and told me, "I'm looking forward to talking to fans and seeing some of you guys on those special European away trips this year." I'm pleased to add that Robert's relationship with THFC is actually also very cordial and there is therefore no logical reason as to why this move wouldn't be an allround success.
So what does the actually Trust do?
I'd suggest 'get viewed with suspicion' would be a good answer at present.
I'll be honest, the moment somebody mentions the Trust to me I begin to drift into a coma.
Images of middle aged men, threadbare blazers and the sort of fifth rate self importance that you could probably only find elsewhere in rural Conservative clubs. And the FA, of course.
No two ways about it - Roberts would be a breath of fresh air. One that would give many of us a reason to look at the Trust as a credible, modern outfit. Perception is obviously a huge issue and one that the Trust needs to address urgently.
The Trust's website is here CLICKY. I need not pass comment on the state of it. Or some of the content. It needs a spring clean. Let's send in Mr Muscle.
You're jarred off that your season ticket's gone up at eighteen times the rate of inflation. You want to self harm because the online ticket thing has timed you out again. You might have a safety issue to raise, I don't know what your beef may be, but ask yourself this. What do you think is more likey to get results?
A boring 300 word letter...................... or sending in Roberts?
In conclusion my fellow Yids, I reckon if the a new chairman of the Trust can relate to us - we should be able to relate to the Trust.
And that, just for starters, has got to be a good idea.
BIOYC & A big thanks to Ben.
And this is good...http://www.oleole.com/blogs/the-darkside-of-the-ball
The THST website is appalling in an age where sites are simple to create, web developers are 2 a penny, and decent web designers are almost as common.
In the same light as Spurs Odyssey (sorry), the poorly presented information simply enhances its image as a stuffy, old, out of touch organisation with no pathos with the Spurs fans.
The mission statement which was not particularly distinctive on the 'home page' says:
The Tottenham Hotspur Supporters Trust informal mission statement is :-
· To help THFC achieve constant and sustained success.
· To unite and represent all Spurs’ fans and to exercise their collective power.
· To improve communication and understanding between the Club and its supporters.
Question: Why the use of the word 'informal' to describe the mission statement? Its either a mission statement or not. Its like Graham Roberts saying he'd informally run through walls for Spurs. Ridiculous. It doesn't mean their mission is to do the following in jeans and t-shirts rater than 3 piece suits, it rather sounds like a casual 'am-I-bovered?' approach.
Fans rapport with the Chairman would be one thing. GR is ideal as you say HH. However, THST must also be seen, understood, and observed to complete actual deliverables.
BureaucraZy is a disease. Hides information so that an actual process is difficult to decipher - essentially hiding the fact that jobsworths get paid alot to be highly ineffective. You see it everywhere in business and as a consultant, I am appalled that its so prevalent whether in SME's, large international corporates or THST.
Transparency is the key. Everyone understanding what evertone else is supposed to deliver is another. Success is clear and observable delivery. Our club is well run as a business, the only flaw in my books is the lack of transparency on Comolli's set of deliverables.
Its time THST was more than a coma inducing negligible and actually did something. Harry's blog serves a more observable service than THST as it stands
Good news, Its always good to know that there is someone who truly loved the club involved in being the link between supporters and the board.
Of course Graham doesn't just love the club he's also a hero amongst the fans, which immediately gives him the respect he deserves.
Big things are expected of a man who once said -"I would run through brick walls for Spurs."
COYS
Just read this on the Board members section:
"Paul (Smith) is responsible for the creation and upkeep of the THST web site, which he intends to be dynamic, and a huge source of information for the membership of the THST, and of course, prospective members."
Paul Smith? Now that name sounds familiar and maybe why the websites share mote than a passing resemblance of outdated design?
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The THST website is appalling in an age where sites are simple to create, web developers are 2 a penny, and decent web designers are almost as common.
In the same light as Spurs Odyssey (sorry), the poorly presented information simply enhances its image as a stuffy, old, out of touch or...
Good stuff mate and not just for the kind words. You've hit a number of key points. Transparency is a good word. Not only have no areas where 'misunderstandings' can arrise but speak in palin bleedin' English in a clear voice and tell us what you're doing.
A dull website with mealy mouthed intentions equates to footshuffling and mumbles.
I bet the rent (landlord gets whiplash again) 99% of the good folk reading this today couldn't tell you two things thatthe Trust has ever done or indeed what it was supposed to do.
That's not a mickey take. It's a crying shame.
Spurs fans are notoriously vocal. They dominate the internet. And yet the very organisation that is supposed to representt their interests is clearly in trouble - read the departing Chair's letter and tell me otherwise - and operating off a website that could best be described as 'a bit dusty'.
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Just read this on the Board members section:
"Paul (Smith) is responsible for the creation and upkeep of the THST web site, which he intends to be dynamic, and a huge source of information for the membership of the THST, and of course, prospective members."
Paul Smith? Now that...
I hadn't seen that.
No comment.
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I have no idea about the Trust but if Graham Roberts was running it then it would get results and no one would abuse him will he got them.
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Trev - thats the whole point. Having 'no idea' about what could be very useful bridge between fans and the club is something that many(most?) of us suffer from.
If they were clear about what they did and what they promise their members then, perhaps we would know exactly what it is that Graham Roberts would achieve as Chair. It might have also allowed us to have more sympathy rather than the reported antipathy for the departing Daniel Wynn?
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Reply to Trembly:Just read this on the Board members section:
"Paul (Smith) is responsible for the creation and upkeep of the THST web site, which he intends to be dynamic, and a huge source of information for the membership of the THST, and of course, prospective members."
Paul Smith? Now that...I hadn't seen that.
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No comment.
We've got a face to go with the name now! Just looked at it again and saw the actual words SO in the sentence before it. Perhaps thats my speed reading failing me, or the fact that the words "Spurs Odyssey" has this effect on me that immediately makes me glaze over.
I'm with Trev! Spurs Trust? no idea what it does or why. I've been involved with enough trusts to know there well intentioned at the outset and then just end up becoming a waste of time with someone at the top having a vested interest of some sort.
Couldn't even be bothered to look at the website. Agree having my all time favourite player as chairman may make me show a little interest. In the whole I find these type of groups a waste of time and effort. In fact I'd rather hug and kiss poisonous snakes than spend time reading about 'the trust'. Makes me thing of Prince Charles!
He's got my vote. It is about perception as you say and this organisation looks like an Old boys network a wannabe FA. Roberts is no nonesense approach would work and he isn't after tickets he already has them!Well done for picking up on this H Roberts is fondly remembered at the lane.
Reply to HarryHotspur:
Reply to Trembly:The THST website is appalling in an age where sites are simple to create, web developers are 2 a penny, and decent web designers are almost as common.
In the same light as Spurs Odyssey (sorry), the poorly presented information simply enhances its image as a stuffy, old, out of touch or...Good stuff mate and not just for the kind words. You've hit a number of key points. Transparency is a good word. Not only have no areas where 'misunderstandings' can arrise but speak in palin bleedin' English in a clear voice and tell us what you're doing.
A dull website with mealy...
Plain English.
As spoken by Michael Palin.
Good post Sir Harold.
Took one look at the website and felt the need to lay down. It's as if some Victorian has designed it.
Bring on the Roberts.
Aside: Anyone else read this? LINK Its nice to read good stuff about a spurs player, albeit one that is not currently playing for us. Makes me feel good that we have got quality on the books that are developing well. Shame that the OS doesn't report on the development of our players much. A report on how well Pecker is doing on the saff coast for example would stop us fans wondering why he isn't playing instead of FC.
Sorry about this H - should I be addressing this to the Harry's Bar? Or emailing the OS? I think I've answered my own questions...I'm off for a pint.
are we being asked to Trust Spurs Supporters - no doubt about it, all for that, except for when someone says he'll save your space in the hot dog queue while you go off for a waz!
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Aside: Anyone else read this? LINK Its nice to read good stuff about a spurs player, albeit one that is not currently playing for us. Makes me feel good that we have got quality on the books that are developing well....
Not at all....
In the words of Basil Fawlty, 'This is after all a hotel, not a borstal. Hahahahhahaa.'
Can we get him to come play midfield enforcer as well :-)
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Reply to Trembly:Aside: Anyone else read this? LINK Its nice to read good stuff about a spurs player, albeit one that is not currently playing for us. Makes me feel good that we have got quality on the books that are developing well....
Not at all....
In the words of Basil Fawlty, 'This is after all a hotel, not a borstal. Hahahahhahaa.'
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Trembly
Daniels is an interesting player. He's been loaned out to various clubs for the last 2 years now and I think it will be interesting to see if Ramos does to Daniels what he did with O'Hara. League two is a league thats guaranteed to test a players strength and character. If Daniels can keep producing the goods then we may see another rapid rise to first team football for one of our younger players.
On another note..... Has anyone seen Modric's goal from the weekend. According to the paper it was an absoloute screamer of the highest order "Ferocious shot from distance that hammered off the underside of the bar" was the words used by the paper. Lets just hope Modric can produce more of the same against the shower of arse*oles that is the England team on Wednesday night!
Incidentally my boycott of a Terry lead england team went swimmingly, I have not seen a second of the game or any highlights and will continue to do so until Capello is sacked and Terry is stripped of his captaincy.
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Trembly
Daniels is an interesting player. He's been loaned out to various clubs for the last 2 years now and I think it will be interesting to see if Ramos does to Daniels what he did with O'Hara. League two is a league thats guaranteed to test a players strength and character. If...
Wouldn't go that far jaimo! Although lets be honest Wednesday night Charlie & Luka v England I think I'll know who i'll be supporting (unless Woody, Ledders and Bentley all get starts!)
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Reply to jamiespurs:Trembly
Daniels is an interesting player. He's been loaned out to various clubs for the last 2 years now and I think it will be interesting to see if Ramos does to Daniels what he did with O'Hara. League two is a league thats guaranteed to test a players strength and character. If...Wouldn't go that far jaimo! Although lets be honest Wednesday night Charlie & Luka v England I think I'll know who i'll be supporting (unless Woody, Ledders and Bentley all get starts!)
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Capello I'm convinced, is not much better than Schteve Mclaren!
He's left Woody & King out the squad completely & then played Lescott at CB on saturday. Bentley sat on the bench as Theo Walnut was given a start at RM. JJ sat on the bench as Capello is obviously still trying to figure out what Lampard actually contributes to the midfield & Downing got a start at LW! On the upside it means that King & Woody have a rest and Bentley & JJ don't get injured playing for Postman Capello's sham of a side!
The icing on the cake is that John Terry 'the dog' is captain of the most universally unliked 11 players that this country can offer. It is my friends an absoloute JOKE. I supported Croatia at EURO2008 and I will continue to support them on Wednesday night.
I cannot remember the last time I actually enjoyed watching England play. I think it was 5-1 vs Germany was the last time I really enjoyed watching them. How long ago was that???
Give me Spurs anyday!
Good post HH. I love old Robbo, I'm sure he'll do well in the post. Any news on the reported Barcode interest in Gus?
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Good post HH. I love old Robbo, I'm sure he'll do well in the post. Any news on the reported Barcode interest in Gus?
We're still waiting on statement.
Here you go Jamie LINK
Luka smacked it top of the net and also did a flick according to this vid. Good to see Vedran at the end putting in a bit of a cross. He doesn't look as mobile as super Al (when he's not in sickbay) but as long as he can defend thats ok with me.
Ginge - the only thing scottish in me is a measure of Lagavulin when I visit friends who are mad on their whiskeys.
As for supporting In-ger-land, someone I think it was JJ/Woody, mentioned that under Capello it was becoming more of a meritocracy than an ole boys club. If thats the case, perhaps Fabio's method of dishing of the gold stars is a tad 'different'. We've got the best two right midfielders in the country with not a sniff of action. Club before country? In this case I'd agree. Just hope Chrissy Gunter doesn't decide to do a number on Pav after his recent comments of country first.
Note to self: say a prayer for injury free international break.
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Here you go Jamie ...
quite possibly THE worst bit of music I have ever heard!!!!! I hope you didn't add that Trembly! It reminded me of those weirdos who won the Eurovision song contest wearing masks the other year (not that I watch it!)
Good goal.
Re England, how come every manager says the same 'not on reputations' etc then picks the excact same team as all the other managers. Players proven to not cut it at international level being allowed to fail time after time. The only good thing will be if we don't qualiy again will this make John Terry the most unsucessful England captain of all time?
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Ginge - the music's nowt to do with me. Forgot to place a warning to tell you to put the music down - sorry. Did you spot a that bird off Hellboy 2 LINK in the vid wearing blue just after Luka's goal?
Isn't there some way we can neuter the dog Terry? Cruciate ligament damage or something. A face you want to punch? Yes, I think so. Charlie - time for you to do a job me thinks.
You're right though about the same players turning out time and again. I guess its just because they seem to place a greater 'value' to players whose teams are currently in the champions league - and less so on their idea of a team. If/when we do qualify for CL, our lads will be included more often guaranteed.
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Reply to Ginge1:Reply to jamiespurs:Trembly
Daniels is an interesting player. He's been loaned out to various clubs for the last 2 years now and I think it will be interesting to see if Ramos does to Daniels what he did with O'Hara. League two is a league thats guaranteed to test a players strength and character. If...Wouldn't go that far jaimo! Although lets be honest Wednesday night Charlie & Luka v England I think I'll know who i'll be supporting (unless Woody, Ledders and Bentley all get starts!)
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Capello I'm convinced, is not much better than Schteve Mclaren!
He's left Woody & King out the squad completely & then played Lescott at CB on saturday. Bentley sat on the bench as Theo Walnut was given a start at RM. JJ sat on the bench as Capello is obviously still trying to figure...
1) Lescott is an excellent centre back, and consistently offers an extra dimension from set pieces.
2) Walnut; a controversial starting selection, but seeing as he grabbed his chance with both hands and looked good, there isn't really much we can say about the decision to play him, is there?
3) Jenas over Lampard. Really? I mean, seriously, honest to goodness, really?
4) "I supported Croatia at EURO2008 and I will continue to support them on Wednesday night."
Er, okay. The defence rests.
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Reply to Ginge1:Reply to jamiespurs:Trembly
Daniels is an interesting player. He's been loaned out to various clubs for the last 2 years now and I think it will be interesting to see if Ramos does to Daniels what he did with O'Hara. League two is a league thats guaranteed to test a players strength and character. If...Wouldn't go that far jaimo! Although lets be honest Wednesday night Charlie & Luka v England I think I'll know who i'll be supporting (unless Woody, Ledders and Bentley all get starts!)
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Capello I'm convinced, is not much better than Schteve Mclaren!
He's left Woody & King out the squad completely & then played Lescott at CB on saturday. Bentley sat on the bench as Theo Walnut was given a start at RM. JJ sat on the bench as Capello is obviously still trying to figure...
I will concede, however, that it's frustrating watching Downing get a start on the LW. I happen to rate Joe Cole very highly, whereas Downing is that much of an anomaly to me, he should guest star on the X Files.
Trembly
I'm not too fussed about our players turning out for England. How many times in recent memory has Ledley King been injured whilst training with England? I actually think its the last two times he has suffered injuries/setbacks he has been away on England duty.
I think that the players that are associated with England come back from international duty with a malaise that sometimes proves very difficult to shake. This in turn knocks their form and affects their club performances.
This international break could actually help us. Luka & Corluka have been away with a successful Croatia side and will be buzzing on their return. Bentley & JJ will be well rested after not playing in the 2 England games. Pav will hopefully bag a few goals on wednesday against Wales and if Bale & Gunter play like they did on Saturday against Russia then those two will be full of confidence.
I will particularly enjoy watching Modric give that Fat Fu*ker Lampard the run around in Midfield on Wednesday night.
Nunchucks
I didn't watch the game. I am boycotting the watching of England until Terry loses the captaincy and postman Capello resigns/gets sacked
1)Lescott has been terrible for Everton this season. Even Moyes came out and said he needed to improve on his performances.
2) Walnut - He's fast. What else has he got? Its an example of Capello picking a player because of who he plays for. Walnut can't cross the ball as well as Bentley or Beckham so what is he doing wide right?
3) I wasn't saying that JJ should start ahead of Lampard. The point was more about what exactly does Lampard do? Again Capello picks him because he plays for Chelsea not because he can run the midfield.
4) England are a joke. The FA needs a total restructuring from top to bottom. From Grass Roots to the Boardroom level. Until they realise this, pick a manager who is right for the job and stop paying exorbidant amounts of money to coaches who couldn't care less England will remain a joke. Haven't enjoyed watching them for years now and now that John Terry is captain we are a disgrace.
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Reply to jamiespurs:Reply to Ginge1:Reply to jamiespurs:Trembly
Daniels is an interesting player. He's been loaned out to various clubs for the last 2 years now and I think it will be interesting to see if Ramos does to Daniels what he did with O'Hara. League two is a league thats guaranteed to test a players strength and character. If...Wouldn't go that far jaimo! Although lets be honest Wednesday night Charlie & Luka v England I think I'll know who i'll be supporting (unless Woody, Ledders and Bentley all get starts!)
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Capello I'm convinced, is not much better than Schteve Mclaren!
He's left Woody & King out the squad completely & then played Lescott at CB on saturday. Bentley sat on the bench as Theo Walnut was given a start at RM. JJ sat on the bench as Capello is obviously still trying to figure...I will concede, however, that it's frustrating watching Downing get a start on the LW. I happen to rate Joe Cole very highly, whereas Downing is that much of an anomaly to me, he should guest star on the X Files.
Downing is not a world beater however I do believe in putting round pegs in round holes. Joe Cole is not a winger, or even a left sided player. Downing is, Fat Frank and Gerrard are both up &down box to box players, neither is a DM. Wes Brown is not a RB (or international quality). The problem for England for years is that we play players out of position or without balance. Sounds like Spurs! Play a balanced midfield lefties on the left righties on the right a DM and a AM simple really, why aren't I earning £m managing England!
Just seen that Terry McDermott & Adam Sadler have left Newcastle coaching staff. I think that means Poyet will not be joining them as it appears more than likely whoever takes the job are going to be taking their own back-room staff with them.
"Paul does wish to publicly express his great thanks to his eldest son, Bradley, for his technical expertise in enabling the creation of the new website"
Ahh the Liverpool fan did the site, that's why it's so dynamic.
The silence is deafening - I hope he's not mulling over an offer from the Poison Dwarf and that Boozemeister owner of theirs.
Could be that, by saying nothing, Gus wants to leave the impression that he's ambitious and open to offers. Privately, he may be thinking that now is not the time (I hope so, at any rate).
He recently nipped in the bud any speculation linking him to Manure. To come out again in so short a space of time and dismiss reports linking him to another high-profile post might suggest that he lacks drive. I'm certain he lacks neither drive nor ambition but, but he doesn't want to send out signals that can be misinterpreted.
Graham Roberts for Chairman? If he's the man of action in the boardroom that he was on the pitch, then the Trust can move forward, provided he work with clearly defined roles and achievable outcomes.
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Could be that, by saying nothing, Gus wants to leave the impression that he's ambitious and open to offers. Privately, he may be thinking that now is not the time (I hope so, at any rate).
He recently nipped in the bud any speculation linking him to Manure. To come out again in so...
I think your "clearly defined roles and achievable outcomes" is what may well separate him from the herd.
Very difficult to believe he would want to wander around just telling people he was Chairman.
He'll want to get stuck in and make a difference.
H, if it's a fight between GR and the herd, the herd doesn't stand a chance.
Jamie, you were resolute:
"I am boycotting the watching of England until Terry loses the captaincy and postman Capello resigns/gets sacked"
and then you said, in the post right under it.
"I will particularly enjoy watching Modric give that Fat Fu*ker Lampard the run around in Midfield on Wednesday night."
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Nunchucks
I didn't watch the game. I am boycotting the watching of England until Terry loses the captaincy and postman Capello resigns/gets sacked
1)Lescott has been terrible for Everton this season. Even Moyes came out and said he needed to improve on his...
1) This season, such as it is, is three games in. Last season, he was immense.
2) Maybe you should watch the game, and then resubmit your question.
3) What exactly does Lampard do for England? I often wonder. Perhaps you might instead answer for me, what exactly does JJ do?
4) England do need to get their act together. I would query your vitriolic damnation of Capello so early into his tenure. I will grant you that the captain selection does grate, but of players who actually turn up in an England shirt, who else would you give it to? The only other option is Rio, and there is a school of thought that may bear some subscription that he too is a bit of a bellend.
But never mind, these are not issues you need furrow your brow upon. They are merely problemettes for us poor England supporters to ruminate and cogitate on. If only we could all cash in our national loyalties so lightly.
good news on the g roberts announcement.he's respected by the fans and he will no doubt raise the profile of the trust.there should by more "jobs for the old boys".players like howell,teddy,etc would be great ambasadors for the club
Think old Jamie mayu have been contaminated by the Sweaties.
There was a rumour going round I don't care much for Terry... but if it were true, one idiot wouldn't stop me supporting my own lot.
I am looking forward to seeing Modric going beserk against England and coming back to the Lane ready to smash Villa up.
Equally I look forward to England outplaying Croatia and beating them.
I'm not damning Jamie at at all - he's without doubt a nice guy. But this supporting 'other teams' business doesn't really do it for me.
Aquantainces of mine all bought and wore Spain shirts for the Euros... what a bunch of @@@@s.
I have supported Spurs no matter how dire they were (although never dull!) when many of my aqaintences supported who ever was winning. England are so boring at times, but as for the Rose, nothing and no-one can ever keep me from she.
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H, if it's a fight between GR and the herd, the herd doesn't stand a chance.
If GR is announced they may have trouble getting a herd to show up.
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Reply to 9__37:H, if it's a fight between GR and the herd, the herd doesn't stand a chance.
If GR is announced they may have trouble getting a herd to show up.
And the Trust's illustrious webmaster could be outwitted by a tea cozy.
On the subject of England, the first priority is that no Spurs players come back injured. That is my only real concern. If they win, all well and good but unlike when Spurs lose, it takes me no more than a cup of tea to get over an England defeat.
As for my national pride, I will re-affirm my loyalty to the England team when the players that pull on the shirt look like they give 2 sh1ts that they are representing their country, rather than it look like the whole thing is a massive inconvenience for them. The only players i've seen bust a gut for England in the last year have been Beckham and Cole, incidentally our most technically gifted players, who aren't even guaranteed a starting place. Capello has bottled it and gone for the steady, household names once again. No improvement.
Besides, i've only got room in my life for one frustrating team and that place is reserved for my beloved Spurs.
BIOYC (Bring it on you c**ts). COYS.
This club v country thing is always a tickler. As a kid, I didn't know better and was happy to watch and cheer on other British clubs in the European competitions on BBC and ITV. I soon learned the error of my ways though. I now view these games from a purely footballing aethetic perspective.
Some England teams are however easier to support than others. I loved looking at the team list and seeing Tottenham Hotspur listed as the club that particular starting player played for. They don't do that anymore, not that we would see Tottenham listed often at present anyway.
It gets to the stage where you say, I really hate Ashley Cole for being an ex Ar5ena1 and now Chelscum player, a nasty arrogant little man and a love-cheat to boot (come hither Cheryl - I can comfort you!). But to then start cheering him on just because he's in an England shirt is difficult. If you do, you're being hypocritical. If you don't, you're a traitor to your national team. Me , I try and stay mum when there are players I don't like playing, although I confess to being rather angry when they do cock up. Euro 96 was the last time I had any real fun as an England fan. Yes there was the 5-1 against the krauts but thats by the by.
On Wednesday, I would happily don an Espana shirt, nip over the the local tapas/salsa place, drink a few bottle of dos equis with lime and chat up a few Spanish chiquitas. It would probably prove to be a happier event. I could enjoy the football without the stress and get a little 'salsa' action in as well.
As it is, I too will be torn between wanting Modders and Corluka scoring spectaculars and wanting 'my England' to reach the world cup finals. Unfortunately, 'my England' would have more players with Tottenham by their name and we know thats unlikely at this point in time.
Any joy yet with the Croatian ladies Jamie?
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Think old Jamie mayu have been contaminated by the Sweaties.
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There was a rumour going round I don't care much for Terry... but if it were true, one idiot wouldn't stop me supporting my own lot.
I am looking forward to seeing Modric going beserk against England...
Mmm. Spain. 9th dan blackbelts at sticking a finger in the eye of racial equality.
I particularly enjoyed raising my eyebrows at their official Beijing 2008 male and female football teams. 44 men and women in national garb all pulling the sides of their eyes in the universal sign of chinaman. Comic geniuses, every last man. All that was missing was a beaming Luis Aragones holding a noose in one hand, and doing an enthusiastic thumbs up with the other.
This thread is straying off-topic a bit, but I wonder what notions of nationality our England Lions have. I don't think I have much in common with Terry or Ferdinand. But that's as much attributable to our different generations, as much as to our respective national values. I'm probably guilty, too, of distancing myself artificially from people I prefer not to bear similarity to. Perhaps we have much in common, after all! But my pride won't allow me to admit it.
It's a subjective thing, this nationality. When I try to define what it means to me I find myself thinking and saying things that can seem foreign to 'fellow' Englishmen. Some of them may even prove offensive, although I feel sure I'm being fair, sensitive and decent.
That Rose you speak of, BC - yes, she's dear to me, too. And one thing I like about her is that she wears thorns. She isn't just beautiful: she cuts.
As Yids, we are all hypothetically not English. Some of us are really not English. Yet England we are. In times past, where I live, in Tottenham, there was an influx of Jews from the East End. A Jewish entrepeneur arranged for residential housing to be built as the poor were squeezed in their old homes. Where did they come from, originally, these Jews? A large proportion came from Eastern Europe, certainly. The housing estate proved a success and a bigger, better one was constructed in Hampstead.
As I'm from Tottenham, I can fairly speculate that my own origins are, at least in part, theirs. Were I to ever leave Tottenham, I would - as sure as day - continue to support the club I have always supported. Likewise would I support England, were I to leave. The heart would grow even fonder.
The problem with the England football team is that it comprises people that, in the main, I dislike. Maybe they don't represent my subjective values and ideas of nationality - or, rather, of Englishness.
But that's me being subjective again. We don't see the world as it is: we see it as we are.
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Reply to HarryHotspur:Think old Jamie mayu have been contaminated by the Sweaties.
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There was a rumour going round I don't care much for Terry... but if it were true, one idiot wouldn't stop me supporting my own lot.
I am looking forward to seeing Modric going beserk against England...Mmm. Spain. 9th dan blackbelts at sticking a finger in the eye of racial equality.
I particularly enjoyed raising my eyebrows at their official Beijing 2008 male and female football teams. 44 men and women in national garb all pulling the sides of their eyes in the universal sign of...
I should've said the official Spanish basketball team photos, not the football team. As if that is of any consequence.
I understand where alot of you are coming from on my anti-england stance. I know its not to everyone's taste. Please understand that my bread and butter is the Premier League. Watching Spurs no-matter how infuriating they can be is my life-blood, it excites me and fascinates me.
I cannot however, get excited about watching England. I find our style of play mind numbing, team selection puzzling and if you're going to call the Spanish racists then what about our new England captain?? Have we not forgotten his friendly chat to Ledley King when he got sent off? Terry is a dog, a nasty man who if he wasn't a footballer would be in prison, to make him captain of the side goes against all thats right in the modern game.
I will be watching on Wednesday night but I'll be wanting Modric & Corluka to go out and have blinders and show England that they have no divine right to qualify for every major tournament, or win every game they play. The current england team seem to be as CAPTAINMABBSEY said "look like the whole thing is a massive inconvenience for them" There is no pride in the shirt, no passion in their hearts and that makes for a terrible lack of effort and drive.
If you look at any other nation in the qualifiers then you will see that playing for their country means the world to them. Luka and Corluka have come out and said that playing for their country means everything to them. Until England's players gain that mentality they will be destined to underachieve time and time again.
As for Capello. he has fallen into the same trap as Mclaren. He says he'll pick the team on meritocracy but given the chance he'll pick players because of who they play for - Lampard & Walnut are a case in point.
Nothing would make me happier seeing England become a driving force in world football again but until the players show pride in the shirt then why should we? It only serves to make England a mockery in world football.
Nun. That somehow passed me by. Did a quick search though, and it seems that it happened again with tennis players in Beijing. Piss poor effort. Racism in Spain? Que? I do feel better now about being kicked out of a Tapas bar during Euro 96. Just coz we beat them and I was happy about it LINK a bit worse for wear but happy nonetheless.
Trembly
Lets not kid ourselves. we all know Spain are no friends of the minorities. We knew this about 3/4 years ago whent they reduced SWP to little midget tears.
Thought of another reason I hate international football -
By the time Spurs play Villa I would have to have waited over 2 weeks since last seeing Spurs in action. After a summer of no club football, how on earth can they get away with taking the PL away from us for a fortnight when we are 3 games into the season???
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I understand where alot of you are coming from on my anti-england stance. I know its not to everyone's taste. Please understand that my bread and butter is the Premier League. Watching Spurs no-matter how infuriating they can be is my life-blood, it excites me and fascinates me.
I...
J - what did Terry say to Ledders when he got sent off? I must of missed that!
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Reply to jamiespurs:I understand where alot of you are coming from on my anti-england stance. I know its not to everyone's taste. Please understand that my bread and butter is the Premier League. Watching Spurs no-matter how infuriating they can be is my life-blood, it excites me and fascinates me.
I...J - what did Terry say to Ledders when he got sent off? I must of missed that!
He said 'Shut up you lippy black monkey'
Reply to BruceCastle:
Reply to Ginge1:Reply to jamiespurs:I understand where alot of you are coming from on my anti-england stance. I know its not to everyone's taste. Please understand that my bread and butter is the Premier League. Watching Spurs no-matter how infuriating they can be is my life-blood, it excites me and fascinates me.
I...J - what did Terry say to Ledders when he got sent off? I must of missed that!
He said 'Shut up you lippy black monkey'
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Nah! Cheeky cnut! Ledders should've f*ckin nutted him right in the mush!
No-one apart from those who were there really know the full story. I do however remember him saying something to Ledders then seeing Chimbonda look like he wanted to rip JT's head off. Makalele and I think Essien were also looking very shocked at what JT said. Rumours were that JT said something particularly nasty and racist to our Ledley.
The man is a dog and should not be captain of any team let alone England. He's the kind of Englishman that give us a bad name. As I said earlier, if he wasn't a footballer he'd probably be at her majesty's pleasure.
I've never seen King so angry, Bonders too. Drogba was understandably upset with his own captain as well.
Although, I'd rather serve at her majesty's pleasure, than pleasure her majesty.
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Although, I'd rather serve at her majesty's pleasure, than pleasure her majesty.
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Leaves you with two options -
1) You pleasure the queen
2) You are the prison QUEENS' pleasure! (just don't drop the soap)!
I actually though Chimbo was going to beat Terry up. He was actually hopping up and down with rage. Ledley looked astounded.
I really hate John Terry
To be fair I think there's more than just Terry who's a dirty scumbag. Didn't he get up to no good with jody morris or whatever his name was at Chelsea? And to be fair our own Woody won't be invited to many curry houses up Norf!
In fact 99% of them are scrotes and they get paid obscene amounts because of mugs like us being obsessed with football! grrrrrr
You can tell the kids have gone back to school, only 64 posts all day! (plus the end of the transfer window & no EPL for a fortnight)
Ginge
Lets not go slagging our own players off! lol. Although i do agree with your assessment that they are overpaid and a good number of them are scumbags.
John Terry actually shares more DNA with a mongrel dog than he does with the rest of the human race.
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Reply to BruceCastle:Although, I'd rather serve at her majesty's pleasure, than pleasure her majesty.
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Leaves you with two options -
1) You pleasure the queen
2) You are the prison QUEENS' pleasure! (just don't drop the soap)!
I actually though Chimbo was going to beat Terry up. He was actually hopping up and down with rage. Ledley looked astounded.
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Didn't they both play for senrab as kids?
Reply to BruceCastle:
Reply to Ginge1:Reply to jamiespurs:I understand where alot of you are coming from on my anti-england stance. I know its not to everyone's taste. Please understand that my bread and butter is the Premier League. Watching Spurs no-matter how infuriating they can be is my life-blood, it excites me and fascinates me.
I...J - what did Terry say to Ledders when he got sent off? I must of missed that!
He said 'Shut up you lippy black monkey'
Shurely shome mishtake?
Yeah, i think they did, not sure if they played together at the same time though. Ledders was picked up by Spurs at quite a young age if i'm not mistaken.
Maybe Terry was jealous that Ledley is a million times better than him at CB and Ledley does not need Carvalho to hold his hand for the entire 90mins of every match.
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Yeah, i think they did, not sure if they played together at the same time though. Ledders was picked up by Spurs at quite a young age if i'm not mistaken.
Maybe Terry was jealous that Ledley is a million times better than him at CB and Ledley does not need Carvalho to hold his hand...
Great news to have such a Legend on board.
COYS!
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Bring It On You Coatians
HARRY
the quality of humour on this site is in a state of rapid decline. it took you 13 mins to come up with that response and then you go and invent your very own country. has the west not learnt its lesson from meddling in other contries affairs.
can you please post forethwith any pics of Mcains strangely attractive, in a carol vorderman kinda way, assistant as compensation.
We would be better bringing Roberts back to teach the midfield how to tackle
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Reply to HarryHotspur:Bring It On You Coatians
HARRY
the quality of humour on this site is in a state of rapid decline. it took you 13 mins to come up with that response and then you go and invent your very own country. has the west not learnt its lesson from meddling in other contries affairs.
can you please post...
Not only did it take you 1 hour and 56 minutes to come up with that response, sir, but you invented your very own presidential candidate to boot.
Reply to summerspur:
Reply to HarryHotspur:Bring It On You Coatians
HARRY
the quality of humour on this site is in a state of rapid decline. it took you 13 mins to come up with that response and then you go and invent your very own country. has the west not learnt its lesson from meddling in other contries affairs.
can you please post...
I would`nt mind comming the hound on the pitbull,I wonder if she would like some of my humus
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HARRY
the quality of humour on this site is in a state of rapid decline. it took you 13 mins to come up with that response and then you go and invent your very own country. has the west not learnt its lesson from meddling in other contries affairs.
can you please post...Not only did it take you 1 hour and 56 minutes to come up with that response, sir, but you invented your very own presidential candidate to boot.
who did i invent?
will bucket loads of royalties be pouring through my letterbox in the morning?
is bucket loads 1 word or 2
i want answers, i demand anwers. its my democratic right i tells ya
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HARRY
the quality of humour on this site is in a state of rapid decline. it took you 13 mins to come up with that response and then you go and invent your very own country. has the west not learnt its lesson from meddling in other contries affairs.
can you please post...Not only did it take you 1 hour and 56 minutes to come up with that response, sir, but you invented your very own presidential candidate to boot.
who did i invent?
will bucket loads of royalties be pouring through my letterbox in the morning?
is bucket loads 1 word or 2
i want answers, i demand anwers. its my democratic right i tells ya
You ready for this????
Here she is as she was when raised by wolves/ after she started supporting Chelsea
LINK
And this is just pure filth...
LINK
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HARRY
the quality of humour on this site is in a state of rapid decline. it took you 13 mins to come up with that response and then you go and invent your very own country. has the west not learnt its lesson from meddling in other contries affairs.
can you please post...Not only did it take you 1 hour and 56 minutes to come up with that response, sir, but you invented your very own presidential candidate to boot.
who did i invent?
will bucket loads of royalties be pouring through my letterbox in the morning?
is bucket loads 1 word or 2
i want answers, i demand anwers. its my democratic right i tells yaYou ready for this????
Here she is as she was when raised by wolves/ after she started supporting Chelsea
LINK
And this is just pure filth...
...
Palin, when not looking like an uglier Tina Fey, enjoys aerial wolf gunning!!!
LINK
Basically you get in a helicopter (or plane), chase a wolf until he gets tired and stops running, then gun the wolf down, as if this was a game of Oregon Trail and the wolf was a slow buffalo.
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Reply to summerspur:Reply to Nunchucks:Reply to summerspur:Reply to HarryHotspur:Bring It On You Coatians
HARRY
the quality of humour on this site is in a state of rapid decline. it took you 13 mins to come up with that response and then you go and invent your very own country. has the west not learnt its lesson from meddling in other contries affairs.
can you please post...Not only did it take you 1 hour and 56 minutes to come up with that response, sir, but you invented your very own presidential candidate to boot.
who did i invent?
will bucket loads of royalties be pouring through my letterbox in the morning?
is bucket loads 1 word or 2
i want answers, i demand anwers. its my democratic right i tells yaYou ready for this????
Here she is as she was when raised by wolves/ after she started supporting Chelsea
LINK
And this is just pure filth...
...
You'll get a bad case of Alaskan King Crabs messing with that.
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Reply to HarryHotspur:Reply to summerspur:Reply to Nunchucks:Reply to summerspur:Reply to HarryHotspur:Bring It On You Coatians
HARRY
the quality of humour on this site is in a state of rapid decline. it took you 13 mins to come up with that response and then you go and invent your very own country. has the west not learnt its lesson from meddling in other contries affairs.
can you please post...Not only did it take you 1 hour and 56 minutes to come up with that response, sir, but you invented your very own presidential candidate to boot.
who did i invent?
will bucket loads of royalties be pouring through my letterbox in the morning?
is bucket loads 1 word or 2
i want answers, i demand anwers. its my democratic right i tells yaYou ready for this????
Here she is as she was when raised by wolves/ after she started supporting Chelsea
LINK
And this is just pure filth...
...You'll get a bad case of Alaskan King Crabs messing with that.
Bucketloads of 'em.
Well, Graham Roberts gets my fucking vote and I make no apologies for the lack of asterisks. Again.
As he once said to Charlie Nicholas - BIOYC.
Graham Roberts = Spurs Legend.
If Mr Roberts is going to head the Spurs Supporters Trust, it might finally become a useful institution.
God bless the man for having the decency to take on the task, especially after the club snubbed him last year on the Spurs Legends evening.
Totally agree. It needs someone now who can represent the fans whilst keeping his dsitance from the board.
The problem with the Trust is that it is seen as too closely linked to the club. I don't know if that it is true or not. But that is my perception and of many fans I speak to. I was involved in setting up the Trust originally and left soon after the committee was formed. I didnt have the time or to be honest the inclination. As far as I was concerned it should be run with a 'hands off' approach but that didnt seem to be happening. That said, there a lot of good people involved in it - it's just needs to have a bit more backbone!
Anyway, good luck Robbo!!!
PS I'm also known as Sharky to my mates.
It's a bad idea. Graham Roberts is a legend. But, he's not a normal supporter. That's what made Daniel so great.
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It's a bad idea. Graham Roberts is a legend. But, he's not a normal supporter. That's what made Daniel so great.
Daniel may have been great, I can't comment as I personally had no dealings with the man. But whilst it would be unfair to judge man's entire stya on his exit - if you follow me, I don't think a normal supporter at the helm is not the answer at all.
A figurehead who would command the instant respect and support of the BULK of ordinary supporters is the key. Someone who knows what the 'corridors of power' such as they are look like and isn't overawed by them.
Here's a cheap pun for breakfast....
Someone to (Tony ) Galvinise the supporters.
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Daniels is an interesting player. He's been loaned out to various clubs for the last 2 years now and I think it will be interesting to see if Ramos does to Daniels what he did with O'Hara. League two is a league thats guaranteed to test a players strength and character. If...Wouldn't go that far jaimo! Although lets be honest Wednesday night Charlie & Luka v England I think I'll know who i'll be supporting (unless Woody, Ledders and Bentley all get starts!)
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Capello I'm convinced, is not much better than Schteve Mclaren!
He's left Woody & King out the squad completely & then played Lescott at CB on saturday. Bentley sat on the bench as Theo Walnut was given a start at RM. JJ sat on the bench as Capello is obviously still trying to figure...
Hear bloody hear! I'm English (ish)
but I loath the team and would laugh my tits off if they get trounced by the Croats! Come on Modric, run rings round the chokers!
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COYS!
I have no idea about the Trust but if Graham Roberts was running it then it would get results and no one would abuse him will he got them.