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Increase Your Chances Of Getting Arrested

Thursday, 15 January 09, 04:28 AM · Comments (147)

 

Football fans are but simple creatures. So here then are some simple instructions to escalate the odds of having your collar felt by Officer Dibble.

1. Attend a Spurs game.

2. Position yourself in the Spurs section.

3. Sing.

'Well that seems a rather simplistic, if not mildly untruthful take on what recent events,' I hear some of you cry. Bare with me.

Obviously it is the nature of what is being sung that is the crunch here. As our old pal Calamity James has said, "As long as it is not racist or homophobic, give stick." And that's my point.

Are you aware of one of the specific songs that the Tottenham 16 have been charged on? 

"You can stick Sol Campbell up you arse, singing we've got Ledley at the back".

Last night watching Southend and Chelsea verses of 'Ashley takes it up the arse' were distinct.

I fully expect then the rozzers to mount an audacious swoop and arrest Jim Royale. He was on the telly the other night clearly saying that he had 50p's worth of  underpants up his arse.

James quotes, bizzarely, Newton in relation to all this, "As Isaac Newton said, there is an equal and opposite reaction to everything." If he hadn't of banged his head on his own crossbar once too often, he might have at least chosen,   “I can calculate the motion of heavenly bodies, but not the madness of people.”

Mind how you go.

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toddspur
toddspur Wrote: | 11.16GMT | Jan 15, 2009

why dont we do something incredibly unique;

sing songs about OUR team

problem solved

destruktornaut
destruktornaut Wrote: | 11.25GMT | Jan 15, 2009

it's a great idea, but getting a crowd to do something is a bit like herding cats.

theotheyid
theotheyid Wrote: | 11.28GMT | Jan 15, 2009

There are only two chants about Campbell that I have heard that I will say are completely out of order and should never be heard agai"n. The "Sol sol wherever you may be", and the he is big, he is black, he takes it up the ...."

But calling him a w8nk8er, or a C U Next Time for what he did is not a biggie in my opinion. Worse things have been sung at ground. Didn't the Chav$ki mob sing about Ronaldo dying over the weekend. That's completely out of order but it only made a line or two in the Press. Haven't Leeds sang about gassing at the Lane, and West Ham too? But what gets said.
Let's face it. If any chants like "you can stick sol campb%ll up your ars£ is to be banned, then football will be dead in this country.

I am all against senseless chanting like abusing a player's family, or calling Mido's parents shoe bombers etc (and again nothing gets done about it) but if the PC bridgade gets their way, we will just sit and clap at footie like a bloody Crucible. What's going to happen to footie then? I suppose, it will be just like the Library in N7.

Turnpikelanespur
Turnpikelanespur Wrote: | 11.35GMT | Jan 15, 2009

"You can stick Sol Campbell up you arse, singing we've got Ledley at the back" - if they'd stuck to just singing that one they wouldn't have got arrested at all. The 'hanging from a tree' chant is certainly the harshest I've ever heard about a single player but this is still scapegoating. It takes more than 16 people to make a chant loud enough to hear around a stadium, whilst the precedent set as far as what happens if the police hear the folk at the back of The Bell & Hare in full voice with this little ditty could be awkward too!
It's bad enough having those 'watch the language' signs popping up but legally trying gag fans is ridiculous.

johnnycheshunt
johnnycheshunt Wrote: | 11.38GMT | Jan 15, 2009

Well I'm happy for the whole bloody lot of us to be dragged away in irons as long as we get the 3 points. Even those of us that wont be there like me. I'll be in the kitchen doing thought crime at the radio. You can have my radio rozzer-when you prize it from my cold dead hands.

J M
J M Wrote: | 11.41GMT | Jan 15, 2009

Am I the only one who's never heard this "he's big, he's black..." chant?

I've been to every game Campbell has played at WHL since he left the club and hundreds of others, home and away, and the only time I've ever seen mention of it is in articles by snooty journos criticising our fans.

HarryHotspur
HarryHotspur Wrote: | 11.41GMT | Jan 15, 2009

You can have my radio rozzer-when you prize it from my cold dead hands.

=D

To the Yid
To the Yid Wrote: | 11.45GMT | Jan 15, 2009

Its ridiculous how childen of 13 and 15 were nicked at Fratton Park by the old bill trying to make an example. If they were that serious about it then why not nick half the crowd? You can't seriously say that these poor 16 blokes should be accused of racist chanting etc when they sang harsh but non racist songs that was at one point sang at nearly every fixture. I remember being a fratton park last season and the entire crown were singing the hanging from a tree song as well as the barrymore song.

Fans that abused Mido when he was at spurs or the countless racist chelsea fans aren't appealed for like the spurs 16 were, and its disgusting how their pictures were posted up alongside rapists and murderers and a nationwide hunt was on for them.

Hope Campbell gets it thick and strong on Sunday. Stand Firm because the cunt deserves everything he gets.

Steve
Steve Wrote: | 11.45GMT | Jan 15, 2009

Anyone noticed the difference:
David Beckham was a victim of disgusting obscene chanting in EVERY game he played in for about 5 years. Sol Campbell receives disgusting obscene chanting at two fixtures a year. Is it because David Beckham is white and the obscene chanting was heterosexual and therefore there were no PC points to be scored by the authorities? I think we should be told

Tom the Yid
Tom the Yid Wrote: | 11.51GMT | Jan 15, 2009

Too right. I've never heard a racist chant about Campbell. But the media portray it as being racist because he's getting abuse and he's a black player. Forgetting the fact that our equivalent of what campbell was to us when he was here (ledley king) is black and is loved thoroughly at the lane.

its absolute bollocks. He gets abuse because he's a treacharous cunt, not because he's black

Bimmi
Bimmi Wrote: | 12.00GMT | Jan 15, 2009

quick question..

say we all sing a song about C*mpbell (or anyone else for that matter) being gay, right...

now say C*mpbell actually is gay, right..

now say the police arrest people for singing said song under the premise that 'can't be calling people gay'..right..

does it not strike anyone as odd that the police are sending out the message that CALLING someone gay is a bad thing and therefore BEING gay is a bad thing because, in their opinion, no-one would want to be called gay and therefore the police themselves should be arrested for being homophobic?? kind of ironic actually...

Mr Tottenham
Mr Tottenham Wrote: | 12.01GMT | Jan 15, 2009

It is a pity the police and national newspapers did not make such a fuss when the Chelsea fans were making gas noises through the 80's and 90's at every game we played them. The Sol Campbell song has been sung for years and now all of a sudden it is racist?? What part exactly is racist?? It is not a pleasant song but it is definately NOT racist. The police in Portsmouth must have a lot of time on their hands. PATHETIC.

Yidfield_General
Yidfield_General Wrote: | 12.12GMT | Jan 15, 2009

I think we should just take the piss out of Sol big time. Turn it all around on him. Sing shit like ......

Sol Sol wherever you may be
You've got great thighs and nice white teeth
I bet you look buff when you're lying on the beach
In some nice tight Speedos clinging to your peach!!!!!

And wolf whistle the twat all match. He'll get the message .......... I hope!!

I'd laugh my arse off if that got printed in the press on Monday morning!!!
=D

Yidfield_General
Yidfield_General Wrote: | 12.14GMT | Jan 15, 2009

Piss off arse jockey!!!! Right!!!

Er only kidding. You have a valid point me thinks!!! :|

perryman
perryman Wrote: | 12.28GMT | Jan 15, 2009

CAMP-bell looks at his bank balance and laughs.Do you really think he gives a shit what you sing.The Media and Club are putting pressure on the Police to act 8)

weejp
weejp Wrote: | 12.28GMT | Jan 15, 2009

I like your way of thinking! =D

Nunchucks
Nunchucks Wrote: | 12.33GMT | Jan 15, 2009

I don't think it's that at all.

When Beckham cast himself into the abyss with that red card, arguably the whole country felt aggrieved. Similar thing with Ronaldo getting Rooney sent off. We were all pissed off, but we all eventually moved on.

The Sol Song is not a recent phenomenon. And it does not reflect national sentiment. The hate singing is so long in the tooth it's practically a tradition. It's impossible to start a witch hunt when the whole nation has a motive, less so when it's 10,000 people who repeat offend twice a year for a decade. It's a miracle it's been this long without address.

So, quitchabitchin and sing something else. Both ToddSpur and Yidfield General have ideas that get my biggup.

Bimmi
Bimmi Wrote: | 12.39GMT | Jan 15, 2009

how about..

"You can stick Sol C*mpbell up your arse.. singin we like Ledley coz he's black.."

or would that be racist against white people??

KOJAC
KOJAC Wrote: | 12.41GMT | Jan 15, 2009

uh oh....it's the campbell songs again.... 8O

do we know the name of sols boyfriend....and if he's white then we can sing that he takes it up the arse....they shouldn't have a problem about that.....

pesonally... >:( ...people can sing what they fucking like anywhere they fucking want....i'm sick of all these stupid PC people telling other stupid people what they can and can't do..... i feel better now...

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Wrote: | 12.45GMT | Jan 15, 2009

As I've been accused of being PC on here, just thought I'd stick my oar in... The police action against those who chanted at Pompey, including children, is absolutely disgusting. It is certainly a case of 'making an example of', which I always regard as highly undemocratic and unfair.
There isn't a single football ground without 'dodgy' chants. Accept it's part of football and that's that. Just wait for the Pompey game - there'll be plenty of booing and chants no matter what. And so what? We'll boo and chant back, surely? All part of the banter.
If the police want to arrest people, you'll have to arrest a few thousand more up and down the land...

KOJAC
KOJAC Wrote: | 12.48GMT | Jan 15, 2009

:D ...that's a good lyric.....if a little gay.....i prefer the other one though..

Ginge1
Ginge1 Wrote: | 12.50GMT | Jan 15, 2009

Don't know if anyone's seen this but it sounds like young Dean is a bit of a player (albeit one pinched from QPR!)

LINK

KOJAC
KOJAC Wrote: | 12.51GMT | Jan 15, 2009

i can't understand why thier names and addresses were printed in the paper/websites yesterday....why don't they do that with real criminals....

KOJAC
KOJAC Wrote: | 12.56GMT | Jan 15, 2009

he is a central midfielder then....that would be good if he made it to the 1st team.....a soldier in the middle as one of your own....even if as you say he was nicked from QPR

dRb
dRb Wrote: | 13.01GMT | Jan 15, 2009

How about stating specificaly that race or sexuality has nothing to do with it?

Sol, Sol, where ever you may be,
You know why we've got history,
And we couldn't give a f*&k if you're black or gay,
We'll hate you to your dying day.

?

KOJAC
KOJAC Wrote: | 13.06GMT | Jan 15, 2009

now that is brilliant... 8)

that would get the PC heads and coppers thinking.....

you might have to change the third line to something like

and we're so happy for you that your black and maybe gay......

just not to confuse the issue...

KOJAC
KOJAC Wrote: | 13.09GMT | Jan 15, 2009

so this should do it....

sol,sol wherever you maybe
you know why we've got history
and we're so happy for you that your black and maybe gay
we'll still hate you till your dying day....

Johnnycheshunt
Johnnycheshunt Wrote: | 13.10GMT | Jan 15, 2009

None of the Sol song suggestions are working for me. Lets get Chasndave to work something up for us. They've always been very reliable in the past.

KOJAC
KOJAC Wrote: | 13.16GMT | Jan 15, 2009

if only they would.... :D

Bimmi
Bimmi Wrote: | 13.17GMT | Jan 15, 2009

perfect...

spread the word...

JONES
JONES Wrote: | 13.20GMT | Jan 15, 2009

I THINK THE RACIST ELEMENT IS THE "HANGING FROM A TREE" WHICH I BELIEVE HAS A KLU KLUX KLAN BEARING. HE STILL DESERVES IT THE C**T.

Bimmi
Bimmi Wrote: | 13.26GMT | Jan 15, 2009

no it refers to him being a lunatic..

Nick_The_Greek
Nick_The_Greek Wrote: | 13.38GMT | Jan 15, 2009

Are we going to sign any cunt 8O

jolsgonemental
jolsgonemental Wrote: | 13.41GMT | Jan 15, 2009

as Ali G pointed out, thats the biggest compliment you can pay a woman.

jolsgonemental
jolsgonemental Wrote: | 13.41GMT | Jan 15, 2009

would prefer we gave that a miss this window.

HarryHotspur
HarryHotspur Wrote: | 13.44GMT | Jan 15, 2009

Is there much Klan activity in N17?

HarryHotspur
HarryHotspur Wrote: | 13.46GMT | Jan 15, 2009

Try reading a Bible, mate.

jolsgonemental
jolsgonemental Wrote: | 13.47GMT | Jan 15, 2009

i see a lot of folk dressed in white whenever i'm there.

Ginge1
Ginge1 Wrote: | 13.49GMT | Jan 15, 2009

I see a lot of blokes dressed in white stood on the pitch with white flags 8O

TheSchoolboy
TheSchoolboy Wrote: | 13.49GMT | Jan 15, 2009

Your avatar may know the answer to that!!
:D Have a nice day, was the slogan on the Rock Ridge local chapter.

JONES
JONES Wrote: | 13.50GMT | Jan 15, 2009

WE SHOULDN'T GET ARRESTED FOR THIS ONE:

SOL SOL DO YOU WANT TO KNOW
WHY IT IS THAT WE HATE YOU SO
YOU LEFT US ON A FREE.. TO GO TO HIGHBURY
AND THE REST IS HISTORY

jolsgonemental
jolsgonemental Wrote: | 13.51GMT | Jan 15, 2009

as long as it is consential obviously.

can i just make it clear that im definitely in the anti-rape camp. can everyone please stop going on about it .

Longwell
Longwell Wrote: | 13.53GMT | Jan 15, 2009

That blew me away. They better be shit sure the "evidence" against these guys is beyond definitive or else they've opened themselves up to a massive counter suit for libel. An aggressive lawyer might file anyway, regardless of the outcome of the proceedings against the alleged chanters.

JONES
JONES Wrote: | 13.54GMT | Jan 15, 2009

A BIBLE? NO CHANCE. SORRY HARRY I'D RATHER GO AND WATCH A NETBALL MATCH IN THE NUDE.

jolsgonemental
jolsgonemental Wrote: | 13.55GMT | Jan 15, 2009

wouldnt we all.

9__37
9__37 Wrote: | 13.56GMT | Jan 15, 2009

There are better chants to sing than any concerning the treachery of ex-Spurs players.

The main issue here is Prem survival. We get caught up in politics and personal dislikes at our peril.

If one single breath is wasted voicing anything other than complete support for the Lilywhites, then it's an opportunity spurned.

If we allow ourselves to get distracted from what is important, we can't blame the players when they also lose focus.

Spurs, Spurs and only Spurs. The rest is history.

Longwell
Longwell Wrote: | 13.58GMT | Jan 15, 2009

Who's in the pro-rape camp? Rapists?

HenryPercy
HenryPercy Wrote: | 13.58GMT | Jan 15, 2009

"and we're so happy for you that your black and maybe gay"

If I may be so bold as to change it to a more PC version?

Sol, Sol wherever you may be
You know why we've got histroy
And we're so happy that you're from a black or ethnic minority background and possibly may have some homosexual tendancies,
We'll still dislike you immensely until you become mortally impaired.

jolsgonemental
jolsgonemental Wrote: | 14.01GMT | Jan 15, 2009

if i was to hazard a guess i would say Dannyboy.

Bimmi
Bimmi Wrote: | 14.01GMT | Jan 15, 2009

H, weren't you planning to enforce a CAPSLOCK rule a while back??

Ginge1
Ginge1 Wrote: | 14.02GMT | Jan 15, 2009

=D

elfranklins
elfranklins Wrote: | 14.03GMT | Jan 15, 2009

=D

Ginge1
Ginge1 Wrote: | 14.03GMT | Jan 15, 2009

I've had quite a few wanks over the years about being raped by some fit bird.

Not sure what camp that puts me in. :|

jones
jones Wrote: | 14.03GMT | Jan 15, 2009

sorry bimmi i'm a newbie =D

Ginge1
Ginge1 Wrote: | 14.04GMT | Jan 15, 2009

Micky Hazzard?

Bimmi
Bimmi Wrote: | 14.05GMT | Jan 15, 2009

forgiveness is yours!

Ginge1
Ginge1 Wrote: | 14.07GMT | Jan 15, 2009

Listening to talksport yesterday they were talking to Darren Eadie who said something along the lines of "Roeder had lost the dressing room, not one player out there put anything like 100% in, oh apart from Doherty who did ok"

Maybe with all this lack of heart / desire and signing of old boys a deal for the Ginger Pele is on?

Time for an avatar change. ;)

elfranklins
elfranklins Wrote: | 14.09GMT | Jan 15, 2009

Is there any one worth signing at the moment?

I'm just concerned that we don't panic buy for the sake of it!

Ginge1
Ginge1 Wrote: | 14.10GMT | Jan 15, 2009

Jump on my ginger bandwaggon! Pele for Tottenham!

Nick_The_Greek
Nick_The_Greek Wrote: | 14.16GMT | Jan 15, 2009

We have a ginger cunt managing us that`s bad enough

HarryHotspur
HarryHotspur Wrote: | 14.17GMT | Jan 15, 2009

I was more alluding to the fact the song has Biblical references.

HarryHotspur
HarryHotspur Wrote: | 14.18GMT | Jan 15, 2009

Are you wearing Speedos in it.

















Why did I ask that? =D 8O =D 8O =D :?

HarryHotspur
HarryHotspur Wrote: | 14.20GMT | Jan 15, 2009

That won't fill our jails :P

Astromesmo
Astromesmo Wrote: | 14.47GMT | Jan 15, 2009

Sorry to go back over an old post but I feel strongly about this. ANYONE who thinks singing a song to a black guy that references 'hanging from a tree' isn't racist needs to go and get help...

That or read "Strange Fruit: Billie Holiday, Café Society And An Early Cry For Civil Rights" by David Margolick.

I say move on from the idiot and start supporting Spurs.

JONESY30
JONESY30 Wrote: | 14.53GMT | Jan 15, 2009

hear hear.. coys

Bimmi
Bimmi Wrote: | 14.54GMT | Jan 15, 2009

fool..

jackjones
jackjones Wrote: | 14.56GMT | Jan 15, 2009

i must need help then
i also feel strongly,it's a reference to judas being hanged as dipicted in some religious art...can't i be right too....or is it just you

JONESY30
JONESY30 Wrote: | 15.00GMT | Jan 15, 2009

didnt Mr Iscariot lose his bowels hannibal style? I think thats what they taugh us at school (not that i wewnt much)

letitbe
letitbe Wrote: | 15.01GMT | Jan 15, 2009

I t has been said by a man who knows the man whose sole job is policing spurs that any singing of that famous song will get you nicked on the spot.
PS they cannot prove you are singing so expect all charges to be dropped unless they plead guilty.
Lip readers cannot prove 100 % any sound was coming out of your mouth no matter what shape you are making and to make matters harder for them wear a scarf on sunday and a hoodie maybe or a portsmouth top on sale at JJB for 50p .

Astromesmo
Astromesmo Wrote: | 15.05GMT | Jan 15, 2009

I really hope that was a Craggy Island comedy jest?

jackjones
jackjones Wrote: | 15.06GMT | Jan 15, 2009

well i did say as depicted in SOME religious art,
not everything has to do with being black,i do not live in the deep south and couln't care less,i live in north london and support spurs,
it's about football fans,football players and football clubs.....not american racial politics....lighten up for FFS

Bimmi
Bimmi Wrote: | 15.07GMT | Jan 15, 2009

Careful now!!

weejp
weejp Wrote: | 15.07GMT | Jan 15, 2009

I hear you're a racist now, father.....

jolsgonemental
jolsgonemental Wrote: | 15.08GMT | Jan 15, 2009

no. you mean that any PC daily mail reading cunt who chooses to, can interpret it as a racist slur.

until they get to the next line which clearly highlights the reference is Judas.

the offence caused and the reason why it should not be chanted is because there are people (sad fuckers) out there who will always look for bullets to arm their PC Im a liberal fight the system political egowank leanings even if it requires deliberate misinterpretation.

Astromesmo
Astromesmo Wrote: | 15.11GMT | Jan 15, 2009

OK, you can split hairs and try to define what it might mean if you close one eye, put your fingers in your ears & hum but we know what I'm saying is that you know what it will mean to a large number of black people who hear it.

It's a bit like saying that if I made up a 'fun' song about people being burned alive in ovens, that it references the 'Brazen Bull' of ancient Greece.

Get a grip & understand for two minutes what effect things like this have on people (not just he who shan't be named). We are talking about the fact that hundreds, possibly thousands of people were brutally murdered for nothing more than the colour of their skin.

Still, if it gets in the way of calling Sol a c**t why don't we all just sing 'Death to all niggers' and have done with it.

Fool back.

Astromesmo
Astromesmo Wrote: | 15.15GMT | Jan 15, 2009

And I DON"T read the f**king Daily Mail. You have no idea who I am, so don't you dare judge me.

nicktheyid
nicktheyid Wrote: | 15.16GMT | Jan 15, 2009

LINK

You gotta read this link, hope it's genuine!! It's about Appia, Quincy and Ghaly in last night's trial match with Grays. Let's hope it's the start of the rest of our season!!! C.O.Y.S.

jolsgonemental
jolsgonemental Wrote: | 15.16GMT | Jan 15, 2009

thanks for the censoring of the rude word, I'm easily offended.

jackjones
jackjones Wrote: | 15.17GMT | Jan 15, 2009

what are you talking about....don't you think you are going overboard a bit,i will think what i like thanks and why do you assume you know how anything affects people and how they feel
maybe we should pass everything through you to make sure it won't affect anyone,are you up to that job

jolsgonemental
jolsgonemental Wrote: | 15.17GMT | Jan 15, 2009

i thought it was all a reference to the fact Campbell is a witch.

Astromesmo
Astromesmo Wrote: | 15.19GMT | Jan 15, 2009

My point in all of this (again) is to say that we SHOULD all be capable enough of looking at a vile song and saying, it was a eind-up for 5 minutes but we should move on. This is NOT a song we should be proud to be associated with & people just seem determined to fight for it.

I want to fight for free speech and the ability to sing what I like at a football match but this song is NOT the battle ground I want to do it over. It belongs to another era, one which I was a part of and one which I'm glad is in the past.

HenryPercy
HenryPercy Wrote: | 15.21GMT | Jan 15, 2009

Well you're a fucking tool then Mr Astro.

rac·ism (rszm)
n.
1. The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others.
2. Discrimination or prejudice based on race.

Now.... I am not a fucking genius by any stretch of the imagination but I couldn't give a monkey's if he's black, white or pink with yellow polka dots.... The whole thing was referring to Mr Campbell's potentially suicidal state of mind. -->LINK

It was sung whilst he was missing. Your interpretation of it is flawed.

Stop peddaling your racism card and take it in the manner it was intended. There are NO references to Race or Sexual orientation in the song.

HenryPercy
HenryPercy Wrote: | 15.23GMT | Jan 15, 2009

Well it would appear Astro that you DON'T wish to fight for free speech but merely speech that you agree with or that doesn't offend you.

I put YOU in the mould of Stalin, Hitler, Franco, Hussein and other dictators of the 20th Century.

JONESY30
JONESY30 Wrote: | 15.25GMT | Jan 15, 2009

Sounds promising. Just hope its a reliable source. I am one who thinks Ghaly should be given a go - once he scores a winner we'll soon
fucking forget he missed the laundry basket.

Astromesmo
Astromesmo Wrote: | 15.27GMT | Jan 15, 2009

Laters guys, If this is the kind of nonsense you're going to stand up for then I'll take my leave.

Great blog HH... Shame.

COYS

jackjones
jackjones Wrote: | 15.28GMT | Jan 15, 2009

maybe you should try getting a sense of humour and it may not seem so vile,or just post on some politically correct blog and preach to the converted,jackass

HenryPercy
HenryPercy Wrote: | 15.32GMT | Jan 15, 2009

I would like to point out that trees and the hanging thereof from them is not solely confined to the Klu Klux Klan.

LINK

LINK

LINK(band)

HenryPercy
HenryPercy Wrote: | 15.33GMT | Jan 15, 2009

Can we get back to football now?

Or do we still want to talk bollotics?

Bimmi
Bimmi Wrote: | 15.35GMT | Jan 15, 2009

feckin Greeks!! =D =D

JONESY30
JONESY30 Wrote: | 15.36GMT | Jan 15, 2009

perhaps the weather and our wonderful league form is the reason for this civil war, everyones a bit grump-eh

Bimmi
Bimmi Wrote: | 15.42GMT | Jan 15, 2009

we could do with a few of those lads in the team! no nonsense their..

Bimmi
Bimmi Wrote: | 15.42GMT | Jan 15, 2009

'there' even

HenryPercy
HenryPercy Wrote: | 15.42GMT | Jan 15, 2009

Funnily enough it was around this time in January 1642 the English Civil war started gathering pace, with the mother of all arguments in Parliament between the King and some MPs.

There you go.... that pushed something useful out of your brain didn't it?

JONESY30
JONESY30 Wrote: | 15.44GMT | Jan 15, 2009

nooooooooooooooooo

HenryPercy
HenryPercy Wrote: | 15.45GMT | Jan 15, 2009

Well our 'arry was looking to get some bodies in...

nicktheyid
nicktheyid Wrote: | 15.46GMT | Jan 15, 2009

'Arry's gotta give Ghaly a go!
If ever his name is mentioned on the P.A. system, or he trots out at the start of half time, or strips off his track suite with 20 to go, for F**k's Sake don't boo him!
We need someone who's prepared to put his face in where Hudd, Jenas, Bentley, Bale, et al would be too frightened to put their boot, and then spit teeth for our cause!!
And after that he even tried to carry on!!!!
(I know they were already implants, but that's still mighty impressive as far as I'm concerned).
He made a stupid, disrespectful act towards us and the club, and on more than one occasion has apologised.
Time to move on before we cut our nose off totally!

HenryPercy
HenryPercy Wrote: | 15.47GMT | Jan 15, 2009

My apologies to you and this blog.

I the undersigned, shall, henceforth and from here on NOT give history lessons about the Civil War again.

Signed: The Undersigned

HenryPercy
HenryPercy Wrote: | 15.48GMT | Jan 15, 2009

Same person? LINK

jolsgonemental
jolsgonemental Wrote: | 15.51GMT | Jan 15, 2009

i havent seen anyone on any forum say they are for booing ghaly, everyone seems to want him to have a run out.

there must be one fuckoff loud booer in our fanbase.

peterridsdale
peterridsdale Wrote: | 15.51GMT | Jan 15, 2009

What a shameful series of events this has been.

Firstly, we get a bunch of morons dragging the name of our club into the gutter by singing a vile and abusive song.

Next, instead of Spurs supporter groups, fancasts and blogs uniting in their condemnation of these idiots, we get ongoing debate on whether the chant was offensive or not.

Finally, into this vacuum of inertia, rides PC Plod, wasting our time and money in prosecuting these morons. I certainly will sleep easier in my bed tonight knowing that these guys will use up millions of pounds in taxpayers money in order to secure a few hundred pounds in fines.

Spurs fans - regain your honor - behave yourselves.

Nunchucks
Nunchucks Wrote: | 15.52GMT | Jan 15, 2009

Fudging Ada. A Hitler comparison got used.

Bit harsh, considering that Astromesmo hasn't exactly shot out of the ballpark with where to place his umbrage.

HenryPercy
HenryPercy Wrote: | 15.53GMT | Jan 15, 2009

I was just comparing his idea of free speech to other well known individual's ideas and they seemed to be compatible.

jolsgonemental
jolsgonemental Wrote: | 15.54GMT | Jan 15, 2009

"The difficulty in this is not myself or the chairman saying to Wilson 'Don't go' - it's what the player wants," he said.

"Whether it's the right move is up to him to believe. But when you are going for that sort of fee, of course there is also a huge contract to go with it."

from bruce. would suggest someones got him?

Nunchucks
Nunchucks Wrote: | 15.59GMT | Jan 15, 2009

That's the trouble with free speech.

Fuckwits start using it. I imagine we'd all find it pretty cool if Abu Hamza stood outside out front garden getting his free speech on.

nicktheyid
nicktheyid Wrote: | 15.59GMT | Jan 15, 2009

A few games ago I thought a certain minority in the crowd started jeering when he was about to warm up? Sorry I can't be more specific but I was pissed. I think it was the Wigan game in the FA Cup.

jolsgonemental
jolsgonemental Wrote: | 16.00GMT | Jan 15, 2009

yes. my point. in a walnut shell.


HenryPercy
HenryPercy Wrote: | 16.02GMT | Jan 15, 2009

Well is the song fucking racist?

HenryPercy
HenryPercy Wrote: | 16.02GMT | Jan 15, 2009

Well I don't think even the most ardent of arguments could spin the song in such a way that it's not offensive. It's this persistant race card that is looking a little frayed round the edges now.

It's a song. Abusive, yes. Vile, possibly. Racist, not from where I stand.

That's WHY they're being charged with Indecent Chanting and not a racial hatred charge.

sendhimbackhome
sendhimbackhome Wrote: | 16.05GMT | Jan 15, 2009

well abu hamza wouldn't be in the counrty in a flat on benefits,preaching his shit outside my door....if someone with balls was in charge,let him preach back in his own land he might enjoy it more

nicktheyid
nicktheyid Wrote: | 16.06GMT | Jan 15, 2009

in a walnut shell?

peterridsdale
peterridsdale Wrote: | 16.13GMT | Jan 15, 2009

we need to stop debating whether the chant is racist or homophobic, and just condemn it is vile and unworthy of our club. All decent fans know when something is over the line and should eject any idiots who breach our moral code. I think we need some short-term mob rule to bring everyone back into order.

Nick_The_Greek
Nick_The_Greek Wrote: | 16.16GMT | Jan 15, 2009

What have you got against Greeks you red faced mick 8O

HenryPercy
HenryPercy Wrote: | 16.16GMT | Jan 15, 2009

Yup. I agree. We should also not brand people idiots or morons.

Let's all cuddle each other, clap and be happy.

PeterRidsdale
PeterRidsdale Wrote: | 16.19GMT | Jan 15, 2009

Apologies to all idiots and morons. Henceforth, you are simply misguided and confused. HenryPercy needs a cuddle - don't we all?

Nunchucks
Nunchucks Wrote: | 16.20GMT | Jan 15, 2009

Explicitly? No.

I sincerely doubt the genius who first came up with those lyrics had the nous to know he was penning a double entendre - hitting both the self-resentment and racist topics with one hit.

As you rightly indicate, the song originated at the time that Sol went AWOL from Highbury for a few days after 45 minutes of defending that would have made Titus Bramble blush. The hanging from a tree is most likely referencing a self inflicted punishment given his state of mind and concern for him at the time.

So, that means that I think Astromesmo is a tree hugging fag who got his facts wrong, too? No, actually. I think he's right to be offended, or at the very least, fucking embarrassed. It isn't what is being explicitly said, but what it is alluding to that gives this verse its balls. We all know, I hope, that you're not singing "You're black, hang yourself", but what no one can argue with is the fact that the context of the song, the vitriol, the black target, the mainly white transgressors makes the line allude to an image that is synonymous with the Ku Klux Klan.

The fact is, 7 years later, nobody remembers that Sol went mental for 2 days. But everyone remembers slavery.

Anyone's within their rights to argue about the explicit statement and ignore the alluded implication, but I'd hope you're smart enough to know that you're hair splitting.

HenryPercy
HenryPercy Wrote: | 16.21GMT | Jan 15, 2009

As long as it's not construed as sexual harrassment by someone in a navy uniform and a pointy hat.

KOJAC
KOJAC Wrote: | 16.25GMT | Jan 15, 2009

well i think most of this might get us arrested if PC plod is listening in

keep your avatar hidden if you're going to the match.... ;)

and take the hand of the fan sitting next to you and start singing we are the world,we are the people.....

Yidfield_General
Yidfield_General Wrote: | 16.28GMT | Jan 15, 2009

Love it......

Followed by a long drawn out chant of

We're not Homophobic
We're not Homophooooooooobic
We said we're not Homophobic

Ledley wherever you may be
We'd love you if your black, white or inbetween
You're better than that Judas wanker that we had
Who bitched to the police when the songs got bad

KOJAC
KOJAC Wrote: | 16.33GMT | Jan 15, 2009

i would love to hear that whole song and we're not homophobic chant....love it.... =D

Bimmi
Bimmi Wrote: | 16.35GMT | Jan 15, 2009

I'd say that one is lost on you Nick..

Bimmi
Bimmi Wrote: | 16.36GMT | Jan 15, 2009

i aim to please...





but usually miss..

HenryPercy
HenryPercy Wrote: | 16.36GMT | Jan 15, 2009

Well if you're going on meanings then, please do tell me what the fuck happened on boxing day?

Or the meaning of nitty gritty....

ALL forgotten.

The fact that the press are misguided enough to attribute it to racism without fully exploring the subject is an extremely worrying indictment on modern society.

The pure fact of the matter is the average bloke/child/woman/whatever is singing it cos the person next to them is.

People sang "Fat Aussie Wanker" at Viduka... Discriminatory...?

We're Yiddo's.... A term that was shouted at us in a derogatory manner years ago.

People are putting a spin on this to deliberately incite a racially controversial discussion and to the press just want to sell newspapers.

Nunchucks
Nunchucks Wrote: | 16.41GMT | Jan 15, 2009

They didn't have to try to spin very hard though, did they?

It practically writes itself.

TheSchoolboy
TheSchoolboy Wrote: | 16.43GMT | Jan 15, 2009

TOP TIP. TFL and the ploice. Why not shut the victoria line on Sunday? This will no doubt cram Spurs and Pompey fans on the same train from Liv street. Thus encouraging "offensive chanting" and maybe even the out bout of the fisticuffs.

8O

TheSchoolboy
TheSchoolboy Wrote: | 16.44GMT | Jan 15, 2009

Sorry aboput the spelling. For ploice, read Filth.

TheSchoolboy
TheSchoolboy Wrote: | 16.46GMT | Jan 15, 2009

nothing like having to correct the correction. Sigh

HenryPercy
HenryPercy Wrote: | 16.46GMT | Jan 15, 2009

It's written by people who cast aspersions, who are discriminatory and who couldn't give a flying fairycake who get's hurt as long as that 30p comes rolling in on a monday.

7 years I believe you said since he went, that song's been sung for how long now? And they choose now and ONLY a handful of people to charge over it... Sounds like sensationalism to me.

Yidfield_General
Yidfield_General Wrote: | 16.49GMT | Jan 15, 2009

I read a great quote once that said something along the lines of .... to take offence is as much a sin as causing offence.

I don't wish to Judge you Astromesmo but your opinion represents a lot of what is wrong with this country right now. A nation of blame cultured softies who choose to take offence often where none is intended. Taking offence is a choice and while the chant is intended to offend the twat it was personal to him. Not a nation, not a race, not a religion just him. Should we have the bible reprinted to show that Judas did not hang himself from a tree to appease the PC brigade? Must we alter history so that it is politically correct?.........

Now look what you've gone and done!! I'm all edgy now .......... >:(

HenryPercy
HenryPercy Wrote: | 16.55GMT | Jan 15, 2009

There's another story on spurscommunity not sure if it's the same guy or not: LINK

fatfish
fatfish Wrote: | 16.56GMT | Jan 15, 2009

Great news if it's true. The only thing that makes me thinks that it's not is a bit in the original link posted by nicktheyid, which says BAE won the ball. Now even in our wildest dreams???? :D

KOJAC
KOJAC Wrote: | 16.56GMT | Jan 15, 2009

happy birtday bostock....

LINK

Nunchucks
Nunchucks Wrote: | 16.57GMT | Jan 15, 2009

Yeah, maybe. You're pissed off because you remember the real motivation behind the song.

But who else does? A few Spurs fans. A few Arsenal fans. Do you think anyone else remembers Sol Campbell grabbed a headline in psychiatry periodicals for a week? Give me a break. Most people can't remember what they ate for dinner on Monday.

What are we supposed to do to keep the song relevant? Add another verse saying by the way, we know he's not mental anymore, but this is in reference to that week a few years ago when we thought he might be?

Fuck that. I'd rather save my breath for booing Ghaly.

HarryHotspur
HarryHotspur Wrote: | 16.58GMT | Jan 15, 2009

Hair splitting is about right.

Rather like saying 'Paki' isn't racist. Rather like saying it's on a par with 'Brit'.

The reality, once you leave the Lollypop Land Debating Chambers is that it is racist.

Why? Because MOST people who use the word do so in a negative way.

And MOST people having the word used to describe them do not like it.

You can disect and discuss untill the cows come home but those are good old fashioned facts.

The Sol 'Song' is precisely as my learned colleague Nunchucks calls it.

Astromesmo used the word shame. Again he was right.

Shame that we are sophisticated enough to mount excruciatingly detailed arguements to prove this idiotic verse isn't racist, yet incapable of calling a spade a spade.

The answer of course is allow one's self to be distracted by the football and try and keep it that way.



KOJAC
KOJAC Wrote: | 16.58GMT | Jan 15, 2009

i mean birthday of course...

jason bartley
jason bartley Wrote: | 17.09GMT | Jan 15, 2009

LINK

Crazy or pre-planned?

whats seems even stranger is the writer of this piece seems really pleased!

HenryPercy
HenryPercy Wrote: | 17.09GMT | Jan 15, 2009

Well I disagree. I think that it's only now that people think it is racist, due to the headlines. Can you honestly tell me that it's levelled at the colour of his skin? I mean really come on.

It's levelled at the fact that he walked away from the club on a bosman and people don't like him for it.

Can you be racist to one black player and then two seconds later be singing a song about another black player?

Well??? Do tell me.... Can you?

Or is it being used to sell newspapers and give the PC brigade something to moan about.

As for some of your other points: It's nothing like saying "Paki", you're again sensationalising it, noone was making monkey noises or singing "black this and black that".

The adebayor song, different story.

I personally don't sing either song, but I am deadly certain that 3 thousand or so fans down at Pompey aren't ALL racist.

doublestandards
doublestandards Wrote: | 17.11GMT | Jan 15, 2009

it's personal? i get it. you have hundreds of mainly white man screaming this song about hanging with reference to s*ls colour etc but no other blacks should be offended? i would love us to have a song calling someone a rapist son and see how you and spurssandy chat about taht one. what a fucking joke. i'm white by the way and ashamed to be the same colour as you in case we are confused for being the same race. pillock.

HenryPercy
HenryPercy Wrote: | 17.12GMT | Jan 15, 2009

Fine, kill em for it. Let's not get all high and mighty though.

Mrs V Beckham got some seriously personal stuff yelled her way - no police, no "Klu Klux Klan - Tottenham Branch" headlines.

summerspur
summerspur Wrote: | 17.14GMT | Jan 15, 2009

so in short a non racist song sung by racists or a racist song sung by non racists?


could any of our black bloggers give us a point of view. are they not more qualified to do so?

HenryPercy
HenryPercy Wrote: | 17.14GMT | Jan 15, 2009

Who sung anything about colour? Apart from "We hate those bastards in claret and blue"

You've just called someone a pillock without even reading what they have said, nor looking at what these people have been charged with, look at the lyrics of the song.

When you're done, come back on here, and i'll tell you to fucking do one.

KOJAC
KOJAC Wrote: | 17.15GMT | Jan 15, 2009

wow...this argument rages on....i hope harry signs someone soon....

HenryPercy
HenryPercy Wrote: | 17.17GMT | Jan 15, 2009

Why would they be more qualified than I, you or the chinese woman next door to me?

The ONLY person who can determine whether or not it's racist is the individual singing the song. IF he is singing it to differentiate between to races and the implications in his head are that he is superior based on skin colour then it IS racist otherwise, it isn't.

HenryPercy
HenryPercy Wrote: | 17.17GMT | Jan 15, 2009

two*

Nunchucks
Nunchucks Wrote: | 17.18GMT | Jan 15, 2009

Why don't you sing the song?

KOJAC
KOJAC Wrote: | 17.18GMT | Jan 15, 2009

you did noticed bostocks goal and birthday didn't you...?

LINK

summerspur
summerspur Wrote: | 17.21GMT | Jan 15, 2009

why ask a question then go on to answer it?

HarryHotspur
HarryHotspur Wrote: | 17.22GMT | Jan 15, 2009

OK.

Free speech is a marvellous thing, unfortunately, on here today it has descended into name calling and stuff not worth reading.

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