The Pompey Fiasco - The Player Ratings

Ramos won't last much longer.

If we win the next 3 games he has a chance but we have no form , no leadership, no confidence.

If we look at our history the manager always leaves when things don't go to plan - why will it be any different this time ?
I know alot of fans hate it when other fans start saying "sack Ramos" but i'm not saying that, in fact I would love Ramos to be here next season ... I think he can be successful but it wont happen , it never happens so lets accept that and move on

Roy Keane anyone?

I think there are a certain number of players tanking deliberately to get Ramos sacked.

And Ramos is deliberately misplaying his squad in hopes of getting Comolli sacked.

And Comolli is not bringing in good players because he's really a covert operative for his previous employers over at Stade Escargot.

It's all really quite easy to explain.

Lets face the truth. We are not just talking about this season. Just One win in our last thirteen Premiership games. It is a total joke.
Ramos does not have a clue how to handle a team in the English Prem. Far too slow, far too inconsistent with selection and naive beyond belief.
Tell me in your wise words Harry. Why the f#2k should he stay? Am I missing something?

I have said it so many times, you need steel in the team to win anything in the Premiership, and as I have also said before, Spurs need Roy Keane. Ramos is good, but have this strange desire to experiment all the time. First thing that must be done now is installing fighting spirit and steel in the team.

"Don't panic, Mr Mainwaring, don't panic!!!" Spot on with the ratings, Harry. No venom, no intent, no co-ordination, no leadership - you're not having a bit of a kick-about after school, boys! This is the actual match...

dont worry, 32 games left. this sucks. mediocre players that understands each other's play is better than an all superstar that dont. all summer we've been selling our squad players just to make some income. at what cost? 3 points? 70mil spending just made us 2 points from 18. i just can stand being humiliated for about 4 weeks we've at the bottom. i mean rock bottom here.
someone text me this yesterday "what's the difference between a triangle and spurs? a triangle has 3 points, spurs has only 2" fuck that hurt!!

I posted last week regards the last three managers we've had: Hoddle was sacked on 1-1-4, Jol survived 1-1-4 but was sacked on 1-4-5. And now we are on 0-2-4. Ramos unquestionably has the worst record of any manager I can remember: way worse than Gross. I do not accept that we won the CArling Cup as a result of the arrival of RAmos. It's a complicated debate and I am not gettin into it here.

All I would like to ask is: where did this all start? And who was your favourite Spurs manager (undoubtedly sacked)? Mine was Gerry Francis: Spurs played the best football I've seen them play while he was in charge and my memory goes back to the late-80s. I grew up watching Ossie, Perryman, Hoddle and the like but I was too young to really know what was going on then..... so FRancis it is for me and cruelly sacked tho he was doin a much-better job than Ramos is currently doin and on a whole lot tighter budget!

What do you think?

We are in crisis right now. We could go down....

Depressed.

Formation showed complete lack of desire to win, just to spoil and see what happens.
Have we become Bolton ?? Do we see Kevin Davies as our next heralded addition, what do you reckon we should pay to get him lads, I'd go 14mil but 16 is defo over the odds #cue uncontrallable vomiting#.

Maybe we are a latter day wimbledon - where is fash the bash, he'd do a job for us, actually perhaps not, at least they played 442, plus I've seen no evidence of us beating Liverpool any time soon, FA cup or not.

To put this in perspective I'd consider myself an optimist amongst spurs fans, but I've been pushed over the limit, I've seen enough.

I'm not calling for the manager to be sacked or certain players to be booted, that's pointless, energy consuming and ultimately not what I'm saying, I'd just like to see something that resembles a little bit of desire cohesion and organisation that I can support, rather than just be consigned to groaning on the couch when the next slow passage of play grinds to an inevitable halt to somehow leave us exposed at the back, again, (don't remember that many players being involvd in the attack, where have they all gone missing to??)

I'm not saying i want the manager sacked either but how long can this go on? As soon as you look at one of his team sheet before the game your heart just sinks, you know whats coiming. Is he trying to get the sack. How can we have faith in a manager that makes Jenas captain? who picks Ekotto at left back when he shouldn't even make the reserve team? Gilberto left side of midfield when he has Dos Santos and Lennon? Keeps changing the centre back partnership when King isn't there? Has a decent right back in Gunter but plays Chorluka or Zakora there when he feels like it. It's a total joke and if i didn't know any better i would say he is trying to get the sack.

We're dooomed I tell thee! Doooooooooomed!

The only way I see JR getting offed is if we don't win any of the next 4 PL games or if we're still bottom by Christmas. However from a business perspective, sacking him now would be insane!

After all the effort to get him in, the payoff to BMJ, the way we've almost re-shaped the entire team to his requirements (I say almost because you may know what I think of Comolli). We will see the probable impending implosion of the entire club if they were to remove the only man currently there to fix this.

"You don't know what you're doing". I think the boys were right. Even from the TV, the atmosphere created by the away support was immense. You could say that that was the only area (apart from Huerelho's performance) that showed any merit. It's quite clear that JR and Gus haven't yet found out the best way to employ this bunch of strangers.

I was rather disappointed when Zok was taken off. He does show a sense of urgency that I wished people like Bentley had. Just wish that we had left Bentley on the bench and started with Lennon on the right. Gilberto on the left? No pace, no performance, no idea. I had wondered whether it was just because the shadows and poor TV contrast that I hardly saw him on the ball - then I realised that he'd taken one of those instant invisible pills that seems to be doing the rounds.

Other plusses? Decent shot young Aaron. Bentley to get a kick up the backside?

As for the pen. JJ is not an enigma. He's a schizo. Please let us know in advance which persona you'll be using before the match. We want the one that bossed ar5ena1 and chelscum in the CC finals.

Daws? Any more chances? Actually, not for me thanks. Time to close this one. Over to you Jamie...

Just listening to talksport this morning. There's a right old knob posing as a spurs fan. Whinge whinge moan moan - please shoot me now if I ever sound like that.

Reply to Divot_McMulligan:

I think there are a certain number of players tanking deliberately to get Ramos sacked.

And Ramos is deliberately misplaying his squad in hopes of getting Comolli sacked.

And Comolli is not bringing in good players because he's really a covert operative for his...

It's all cloaks and daggers

Reply to Divot_McMulligan:

I think there are a certain number of players tanking deliberately to get Ramos sacked.

And Ramos is deliberately misplaying his squad in hopes of getting Comolli sacked.

And Comolli is not bringing in good players because he's really a covert operative for his...

HH - Gomes picking the ball out of the air, denying what would have been a Crouch goal bound header Brilliant. It could be worse - we could have Robbo still between the sticks.

'I had wondered whether it was just because the shadows and poor TV contrast that I hardly saw him on the ball'

Me too.

Can't be arsed going into individual performances, but the complete lack of attacking play is shocking.

I thought Ramos is supposed to be an attack minded manager.

4-5-1 when played properly can be very effective, but we hardly saw any wide players (full backs included) get behind their defence, and no central midfielders running forward into space to join Pav or Bent (both isolated yet again). Why not change to two upfront when we went two down?

What's with all this square and back passing too, no wonder we have the upper hand in the possession stats.

Experience is the key now, we've barely got any in this squad.

Well Harry, touching wood is probably sound advice before posting a cartoon where Elmer Fudd bears such a close resemblance to Harry Rednapp, where we are the white wabbits and where so many ex-spurs players want to show how poor we are at making transfer decisions.

The whole thing is a nightmare unfolding in weekly instalments, but calling for heads is only going to make it worse (see Newcastle). Losing Ramos will further destabilise an already shaky ship and sacking Comolli would only be a diversion to persuade the fans and the stock market that remedial action has been taken to arrest the decline. Whilst I personally don’t think Comolli is worth his salt, the damage he has inflicted has been done and will only get worse if we think that by sacking him it will all suddenly get better…that’s really burying our heads in the sand!

Clearly Ramos has struggled with the EPL, not just this season but last, where our record under him was far from illustrious; in fact I suspect it would have been a lot worse had it not been for the fact that last season we had experienced, tried and tested EPL players (who we’ve since shipped out). Even so his record was ordinary at best and a cup win lulled us into thinking he was evaluating and next season would see him command. But I am starting to believe two things about our management team; we have little sense strategically and therefore too few options tactically.

Strategically I think we have made a number of key blunders, the main ones being the hiring of Comolli (from which many others have stemmed), the undermining and sacking of Martin Jol, the poor handling of players contracts (especially as a result of the Judas scenario), the poor handling of transfers; Carrick all but guaranteed that Berbatov and indeed Keane went (and now we might see Bale in the cross-hairs of the dippers)…...Martin O’Neill has then highlighted just how poor we are at this.

End of Part One

The other side of the transfer scenario has been a need to try to find Carricks and Berbatovs to make killings on, rather than players to remedy roles, which most observers, pundits, ex managers and even the opposition have identified as weak areas. In trying to do this we have done the classic losing gambler ploy: upped the stakes gambling that the next win will cover our ever increasing losses. Thus our failures and duds now costing several millions instead of 1.5m. Whether this is Comolli alone or at the behest of Levy I know not, but one reason we’re at the bottom of the well is that we’re weighed down with coin!

However I believe our single greatest strategic failure is the belief that you can replace half your team in one go at the last minute and still be force rather than a farce.

Tactically we now have two problems. The first is the options open to Ramos, the second and more important factor is Ramos knowing what options he feels he needs to compete effectively: I am unsure that Ramos knows what it is he needs to do to win games in the EPL and if he cannot visualise his best team, how then can he pick it?

He has yet to figure out his centre back dilemma, has not yet resolved the DM position and he rotates players at both full back and left wing searching for a combination that clicks. Some things are self evident, Bentley must play on the right, Woodgate and Dawson should not be paired and the team needs to settle into a consistent pattern, not the chop and change, random rotation we have had so far.

Part Three:


It’s clear that Comolli has no strategy nouse otherwise he’d have seen MJ as the manager that was starting to develop into what I think will be a great manager in years to come, but then his ability to pick potential is highly questionable. It’s also clear that Levy, whilst I believe totally committed to Spurs, knows he has some footballing limitations and relies on the strategic knowledge of his DoF, which is of course what he hired Comolli for.

But I refuse to believe yet that Ramos cannot get to grips with this, He is the only one of the three who really knows about the game, but he must step up now and demonstrate what he’s made of; to us the fans and to the management. Ramos may have to go head to head with the management structure come Christmas and lay it down as he sees it. I just hope he is rational enough not to embark on the sort of panic buying spree Comolli tried or what is being mooted in the press.

We are where we are and cannot change it right now, now’s the time to start planning for what we need to do next, but in the meantime we need to hold our nerve dig deep and see what can be done to get points.

Reply to Breadbin:

Ramos won't last much longer.

If we win the next 3 games he has a chance but we have no form , no leadership, no confidence.

If we look at our history the manager always leaves when things don't go to plan - why will it be any different this time ?
I know alot...

That my friend is not a bad shout!

Reply to Pagey:

Depressed.

Formation showed complete lack of desire to win, just to spoil and see what happens.
Have we become Bolton ?? Do we see Kevin Davies as our next heralded addition, what do you reckon we should pay to get him lads, I'd go 14mil but 16 is defo over the odds #cue...

You are talking absolute nonsense!

Bolton and Wimbledon played a high tempo, up and at em game. Never let the opposition have time on the ball, work hard on set pieces and most of all every team in the league hated playing these two sides in thier pomp.

Name me one side (in all Divisions, apart from Grimsby!) who wouldn't fancy playing us next week?

This type of reply would usually make me smile / laugh when I type it, today it makes me cringe!

Reply to Finn:

Well Harry, touching wood is probably sound advice before posting a cartoon where Elmer Fudd bears such a close resemblance to Harry Rednapp, where we are the white wabbits and where so many ex-spurs players want to show how poor we are at making transfer decisions.

The whole thing is...

Touching wood? After our performances this year I'm touching cloth! I am torn between giving Ramos time and sh1tting it that if we do we'll be playing teams like Swansea and Barnsley next year!

I reckon we'll go out of Europe on Thursday and then 'ull will come and give us a game Sunday. Wendy could be out of a job this time next week.

Just to get this off my chest as well, Dawson made the most positive run in the whole game by any of our players! Yes Dawson, our clumsy centreback, looked up, saw diddly on (again) and decided to move forward, in the end he had to keep going as nobody moved!!!!!!

Reply to NovaYid:

I reckon we'll go out of Europe on Thursday and then 'ull will come and give us a game Sunday. Wendy could be out of a job this time next week.

I think we'll get a draw and stay in. Wendy will then continue to prioritise all cup competitions resting our best players for the league and we'll be down by xmas.

Yay, well done Wendy ! Tool!

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Reply to Pagey:

Depressed.

Formation showed complete lack of desire to win, just to spoil and see what happens.
Have we become Bolton ?? Do we see Kevin Davies as our next heralded addition, what do you reckon we should pay to get him lads, I'd go 14mil but 16 is defo over the odds #cue...

You are talking absolute nonsense!

Bolton and Wimbledon played a high tempo, up and at em game. Never let the opposition have time on the ball, work hard on set pieces and most of all every team in the league hated playing these two sides in thier pomp.

Name me one side...

Good point but of course I'm talking nonesense, that was the whole point of the comment.

Not only are we an underperforming spurs team, we are underperforming in our attempt to play negative tactics and couldn't manage the basics of pace, power, aggresion blah blah blah.

The point was tongue in cheek of course and drawn on a negative formation rather than any true attempt to want to play like Bolton (god forbid if that ever happens).

We set out our stall, and our stall was negative. I'd like to cheer up and so I'll remind myself of my first season watching spurs, Clive Allens 49 goal season in 86/87, in which coincidentally we employed a true attacking 451 formation with the likes of Hoddle, Waddle, Ardiles etc, with luck we'll end up playing like that side !!

I ain't holding my breath

Reply to Trembly:

The only way I see JR getting offed is if we don't win any of the next 4 PL games or if we're still bottom by Christmas. However from a business perspective, sacking him now would be insane!

After all the effort to get him in, the payoff to BMJ, the way we've almost re-shaped the...

Couldn't agree more. Thought Zok was the only one showing some desire yesterday at the end of the first half, not afraid to run at pompey as opposed to all the lateral passing which was getting us nowhere.

HH, thought you were a bit tough with your rating, or lack of, for Pav. Not once during the whole game did he get a pass that he could control, and even when Bentley put in his one and only decent cross he was stretching to get at it. That said, he looked tired and for me Campbell should have been on, he's looked the liveliest of all the strikers to date.

I've suddenly started worrying about where the 40 points needed for safety are going to come from.
We've been the same for years though, terrible midfield, no creativity, the only reason we were bailed out is because in recent years we've had good, in form strikers.

Now we have Darren Bent who will always have his scoring pedigree questioned, and a knackered Russian.

Ramos needs to realise that in order for players to gel they need to play with each other more than once.

It really doesnt look good, we could be out of 2 cups very soon and be too far away to make a European place for next season.

Gomes is bloody great though isnt he.

Just a thought, villa might not be the best team in the world but a few basics they have got right i think we could learn from.

The starting eleven for league games is the same.
The formation for each league game is the same.
The players all play in the same positions as the week before.

Now how hard is that.

All you need is players to cover those positions when one of the first eleven is out, trained to do the same job.

Football is not the rocket science it is made out to be, or that some people try to make it.

Please give it a try sometime Mr Ramos.

I thought Zokora was one player who was trying to spark us in to gear, if only he could pass the ball.

The mystery of selling Steeeeeeeed just reminds me how disjointed our transfer trading is. I don't want to make excuses for Juande but you do wonder whether the players we bought bore any relationship to the players he asked for. Do you think he asked for a DM ? Did he want to sell Steeeeeed ?





Answers on a postcard please.

Our transfer policy is backwards anyway, we need to have repalcements signing pre-contracts before we sell.

That way "agent activity" wouldnt scupper our business.

Worse record than Christian Gross,
Half the points Derby had this
time last year.
Play the players in a formation they
know, and in their proper positions, and
we will suddenly start to get a lot "luckier"
Sort it out Wendy, not sure what the Spanish
is for P45...

i think we're in big trouble, few years ago, i remember when we nearly went down, in the end we didn't because Klinsmann came back and saved us. We dont have a Klinsmann to bail us out now, not until Jan. The time before we nearly went down, we brought in David Howells from Reserve obscurity, he was tottenham through and through and made u smore solid, and we turned it round (Howells of course a ball winner). No Ball Winner. No inspirational striker, we have big issues. Our defence is slow, susceptical to quick strikers, which if you look at all the teams in the league they have, even Hull who we have next. If we loose against Hull, and Stoke away following week, we're in a critical position, and Ramos will not survive. I have to say, much as i believe/d in Ramos, he doesn't inspire when you see himin interviews, his English is dreadful, and i wouldn't be inspired hearing him on the touchline, i'd be thinking what did he say? Suppose that's why we have Poyet, but i think a lot of this is where we are going wrong. Problem is if you loose Ramos who do you bring in? Venables??? We need someone who knows the league, someone who knows our deficiencies.

to get 40 points we will need to win about 10-11 games out of our next 30 odd with a few draws sprinkled in.

cant honestly see it.

if we dont win our next 3, which are followed by Arse, Liverpool and City we be clear bottom after 12 games and will go down.

Reply to onedavemackay:

I thought Zokora was one player who was trying to spark us in to gear, if only he could pass the ball.

The mystery of selling Steeeeeeeed just reminds me how disjointed our transfer trading is. I don't want to make excuses for Juande but you do wonder whether the players we bought bore...

I find it hard to believe he didn't ask for a DM, LM, CB & CF (2 or 3).

He ended up with two attacking CM's another RW another RB and one CF!

Quite possibly the poorest possible transfer window in our history!

Gregorz Rasiak?

THAT ALL SAID IN MY LAST POST, I THINK THE LACK OF BACKING DETAILED IN THE PRESS BY LEVY FOR RAMOS RIGHT NOW SAYS A LOT, THIS WILL HIGHLIGHT A LOT OVER THE NEXT FEW DAYS ALSO, NOW THE PRESS/ FANS ARE CALLING FOR HIS HEAD, EXPECT LEVY TO COME OUT WITH SOMETHING, OR MAYBE WE'LL BE WATCHING SSN SEEING AN EMERGENCY BOARD MEETING CALLED ANY DAY... AS IT COULD ALSO BE ARGUED THAT RAMOS COULD GO BEFORE THURSDAY, ROCK BOTTOM, AND WITH HULL AND STOKE COMING UP (MUST WIN 6 POINTERS), WILL HE GET THE CHANCE TO TURN IT ROUND? PERHAPS OUR NEGATIVTY AS SUPPORTERS NEEDS TO BE ERADICATED SOMEHOW EVEN IF WE DONT BELIEVE TO GET BEHIND THE BOYS, THAT SAID THOUGHT OUR SUPPORT WAS VERY GOOD YESTERDAY, CONSIDERING WE HAVE NO HEROES LEFT TO CHANT THE NAME OF THAT'S VERY DEPRESSING, AND THAT SPEAKS VOLUMES FOR OUR TEAMS TROUBLES...

Reply to ROBBIEBOY:

i think we're in big trouble, few years ago, i remember when we nearly went down, in the end we didn't because Klinsmann came back and saved us. We dont have a Klinsmann to bail us out now, not until Jan. The time before we nearly went down, we brought in David Howells from Reserve obscurity, he was...

We need someone who plays horrible tedious football. Who will shut up shop make us a pain in the arse to play against. Someone who will concentrate on the areas where most goals are scored and conceded (set pieces). Someone who will scare the living what nots out of our pansy like footballers. Ramos doesn't appear to do any of this.

Reply to ROBBIEBOY:

THAT ALL SAID IN MY LAST POST, I THINK THE LACK OF BACKING DETAILED IN THE PRESS BY LEVY FOR RAMOS RIGHT NOW SAYS A LOT, THIS WILL HIGHLIGHT A LOT OVER THE NEXT FEW DAYS ALSO, NOW THE PRESS/ FANS ARE CALLING FOR HIS HEAD, EXPECT LEVY TO COME OUT WITH SOMETHING, OR MAYBE WE'LL BE WATCHING SSN SEEING...

I've heard people say that we expect too much at Spurs, that we chop and change too quickly. All I would say to that is which fans in our position would not be baying for blood in the position we are in?
Agree about the support, made the hairs on the back of my neck stand up! Every time one of my mates rang up I answered with a rendition of 'We are Tottenham'.

COYS

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Reply to ROBBIEBOY:

i think we're in big trouble, few years ago, i remember when we nearly went down, in the end we didn't because Klinsmann came back and saved us. We dont have a Klinsmann to bail us out now, not until Jan. The time before we nearly went down, we brought in David Howells from Reserve obscurity, he was...

We need someone who plays horrible tedious football. Who will shut up shop make us a pain in the arse to play against. Someone who will concentrate on the areas where most goals are scored and conceded (set pieces). Someone who will scare the living what nots out of our pansy like footballers. Ramos...

Martin Jol played tedious football. So does Ramos.

We dont want a Moyes, trust me.

Here's something interesting...
Every club Robbie Keane has left--that season they got relegated! Uh Oh!

Apart from Inter

It's a business let's face it. In the business stakes we look good. Good enough to sell.
In football stakes we looks awful. Lame. If Spurs was a horse it would've been shot already.
Levy will sell up soon, de-stabilise the club, Ramos will be sacked and BatFink will take over as player manager in a defensive role using his wings as a Shield of Steel against blundered premiership strikers...thus pushing every available player up beyond the half way line for Gomes to punt to. Gilberto will be top scorer.
There's my prediction....and why not...it's more realistic than actually winning any games in the current state!!!

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Reply to ROBBIEBOY:

THAT ALL SAID IN MY LAST POST, I THINK THE LACK OF BACKING DETAILED IN THE PRESS BY LEVY FOR RAMOS RIGHT NOW SAYS A LOT, THIS WILL HIGHLIGHT A LOT OVER THE NEXT FEW DAYS ALSO, NOW THE PRESS/ FANS ARE CALLING FOR HIS HEAD, EXPECT LEVY TO COME OUT WITH SOMETHING, OR MAYBE WE'LL BE WATCHING SSN SEEING...

I've heard people say that we expect too much at Spurs, that we chop and change too quickly. All I would say to that is which fans in our position would not be baying for blood in the position we are in?
Agree about the support, made the hairs on the back of my neck stand up! Every time one...

Hey Ginge,

We need a hero. I've heard a few chants of Jamie OHara, and i love Jamie as much as the rest, (but apart from that, the odd cry of one aaron lennon, not heard anything, apart from the general chants, and there in, lies one of our problems). How can we the 'followers' be inspired, if we have no-one to inspire us. Ohara has got his heart on his sleeve and wants to play for us, but he's no matchwinner. Still i'd rather have 11 Ohara's in the team right now than the rest of our team, make that 9, i'd keep woody and gomes in there too!

Anyone else hear on talksport yesterday Russ Williams show about the asian billionaire courting us??

Reply to jolsgonemental:

Reply to Ginge1:

Reply to ROBBIEBOY:

i think we're in big trouble, few years ago, i remember when we nearly went down, in the end we didn't because Klinsmann came back and saved us. We dont have a Klinsmann to bail us out now, not until Jan. The time before we nearly went down, we brought in David Howells from Reserve obscurity, he was...

We need someone who plays horrible tedious football. Who will shut up shop make us a pain in the arse to play against. Someone who will concentrate on the areas where most goals are scored and conceded (set pieces). Someone who will scare the living what nots out of our pansy like footballers. Ramos...

Martin Jol played tedious football. So does Ramos.

We dont want a Moyes, trust me.

I was thinking Big Sam!!!! That's how desperate I've become. Although I like the idea of Roy Keane who as a kid was a Spurs fan.

Reply to robbieboy:

Reply to Ginge1:

Reply to ROBBIEBOY:

THAT ALL SAID IN MY LAST POST, I THINK THE LACK OF BACKING DETAILED IN THE PRESS BY LEVY FOR RAMOS RIGHT NOW SAYS A LOT, THIS WILL HIGHLIGHT A LOT OVER THE NEXT FEW DAYS ALSO, NOW THE PRESS/ FANS ARE CALLING FOR HIS HEAD, EXPECT LEVY TO COME OUT WITH SOMETHING, OR MAYBE WE'LL BE WATCHING SSN SEEING...

I've heard people say that we expect too much at Spurs, that we chop and change too quickly. All I would say to that is which fans in our position would not be baying for blood in the position we are in?
Agree about the support, made the hairs on the back of my neck stand up! Every time one...

Hey Ginge,

We need a hero. I've heard a few chants of Jamie OHara, and i love Jamie as much as the rest, (but apart from that, the odd cry of one aaron lennon, not heard anything, apart from the general chants, and there in, lies one of our problems). How can we the 'followers' be...

What did he say?? Im studying in KL, Malaysia and I was in Singapore at the weekend to watch F1 night race. I 've been trying to find out who this Asian billionaire is and whether its true or not. I asked couple of my mates in Spurs fan club in Singapore but still no confirmation from them.

Ramos has a competitve record of 21-14-15 with Spurs, starting with a 2-0 win over Blackpool. Actually, that is much better than I thought it would be before I had a look.

His record in the PL, however, reads: 10-11-12! Again I thought it would be worse! Not pretty reading all the same.

all i heard was Russ Williams (who we all know is a big spur), saying (to paraphrase) that the reported interested from the Asian Billionaire cant come quick enough, though that said if he was watching, maybe he'll have second thoughts. TBH we're ripe for a takeover, we're still a huge, profitable club, but we need a bigger stadium

Enthusiasm: critical.
Mojo: waning.
Rage: Defcon 1.

There are many reasons for the above: The 4-5-0 formation, the lack of any urgency or commitment, the 75% ratio of passes being made sideways or backward. But the cherry on the top, the icing on this particularly bitter cake is this quote from Redknapp.

"I turned down a £15m bid for Diarra on transfer deadline day. I won't say from who because he might want to play for them."

The timing of this revelation, our obvious need for a DM, and knowing what we're like makes me want to give you good odds that that team was us.

One of you people kindly tell me why we are waiting til transfer deadline day to conduct fundamental business like this in a window of this size? And don't tell me it's because Veloso wranglings went down to the wire, and we had no time to implement Plan B, because that, as you well know, is bollocks.

My patience is in tatters with key individuals like Messrs Comolli (although I will credit where credit's due on Bentley, Corluka, and Gomes - who are all players I was rubbing my hands about), Ramos, and lastly but definitely not leastly Pav. Lazy like Dimitar, but without the talent.

Rant ends.

Reply to Lightning Smith:

Lets face the truth. We are not just talking about this season. Just One win in our last thirteen Premiership games. It is a total joke.
Ramos does not have a clue how to handle a team in the English Prem. Far too slow, far too inconsistent with selection and naive beyond belief.
Tell...

"Why the f#2k should he stay? Am I missing something?"

I don't think you're missing something - it's all too painfully onview for all to see.

At this precise moment in time I would plead the fifth and say who would we replace him with? I cannot say I'd welcome anyone else that might reasonably step forward.

What I can't do is spiel out any of this 'in Ramos we trust' party line. Unfortunately I've sent him to buy paper on numerous occasions and so far more times than not he's come back with no money and paperless.

My considered view is that Ramos has Premiership issues.

Whatever the heck they are.

Reply to markymark:

Ramos has a competitve record of 21-14-15 with Spurs, starting with a 2-0 win over Blackpool. Actually, that is much better than I thought it would be before I had a look.

His record in the PL, however, reads: 10-11-12! Again I thought it would be worse! Not pretty reading all the...

Harry Redknapp has never looked so beautiful to me than he does right now.

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Reply to Lightning Smith:

Lets face the truth. We are not just talking about this season. Just One win in our last thirteen Premiership games. It is a total joke.
Ramos does not have a clue how to handle a team in the English Prem. Far too slow, far too inconsistent with selection and naive beyond belief.
Tell...

"Why the f#2k should he stay? Am I missing something?"

I don't think you're missing something - it's all too painfully onview for all to see.

At this precise moment in time I would plead the fifth and say who would we replace him with? I cannot say I'd welcome anyone...

"What I can't do is spiel out any of this 'in Ramos we trust' party line. Unfortunately I've sent him to buy paper on numerous occasions and so far more times than not he's come back with no money and paperless."

Ladies and gentlemen, I give you this weeks 'The Phrase That Pays'.

That makes his cup record: 11-3-3. It's certainly clear where his priorities lie!

His problems, therefore, seem to lie with his inability to juggle the two well.... in England!

The juggling two bombs act has - most certainly - already blown up in his face. And if he doesn't manage to tun it around soon, it'll cost him his job!

Personally, I think it is stupid for a club like Spurs to seek success through cups. I know it is in our blood. But we need get it out of us. Top-4 PL, and CL football with le creme is what I want. It's what every self-respecting football fan wants and is the reason that the standard of footie in the cups (CC, FA and UEFA) is rubbish. Nobody gives a toss who wins those competitions.

PLenty who can do a better job--
Rijjkard
Mancini
Poyet
klinsmann
keane
Grant

someonw who can speak english would be nice

Harry Redknapp is the man. Or MO'N. But there is not a chance in hell that either of those self-respecting gentlemen would come here. THat would have to be insane!

Perhaps we could prise Roy away from SUnderland! That would be some coup! He's the sort we need and might have a chance of getting...

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Just a thought, villa might not be the best team in the world but a few basics they have got right i think we could learn from.

The starting eleven for league games is the same.
The formation for each league game is the same.
The players all play in the same positions...

Excellent. Agree agree agree agree.

Part 1

And so...although I feel terrible both during and after a game like yesterday's, when I do get myself out of a stupor and force myself to go back on here and have a look, it actually cheers me up. The reason for this (apart from some of the usual humorous/sarcastic comments) is that I can see buggers out there who have seemingly lost the plot more than I have. Knowing that misery loves company, you can see how when one person starts scapegoating and slagging things off, the next person inevitably gets on the "off with their heads" bandwagon. Strategy, timing? Some supporters show less of this than the team did on the pitch yesterday!

Some however are still well balanced enough to be worth reading. Finn, I appreciate your breakdown; a clear and concise summary of the status quo. From BMJ, to Comolli to the transfer policies I agree with everything. However I'd like to add my tuppence to the dilemma that pertains to the formation and tactics.

In my career, I've always sought to identify three things:
1. Current practices
2. Ideal practices (given all the information to hand such as resources, future plans, and existing issues)
3. Implement a plan to get from step 1 to step 2 and once step 2 has been reached (or if anything changes that could impact the success of the plan), to re-examine 1 and 2, hence keeping up to date with the expectations.

We know that Ramos didn't get all the players he wanted/needed to implement his ideal game, meaning step 3 has changed from a plan to obtain the ideal, to a plan to try and get the best out of what we've got. This leaves him with two options:
A. To try and stick to the system/s that he wants to play, and experiment with the players he has to see if they can play this way? or
B. To try and find a way that suits the players he has, hence having to improvise a new system.

Part 2 coming up...

Part2.

By not getting all the players that he wanted, he's on a loser if he keeps trying option A (unless we all get lucky or the players learn fecking quickly!). By using option B, we're not getting what we wanted when we painfully brought in this mans skill and experience to take us to the next level. we might have then just stuck with BMJ because that is exactly the same job he had, but with less backing from Dan Levy.

Let's put it this way, if I was a manager that was successful at playing long ball, won cups and competed at the top table, then hiring me and not getting me the bigman up front that I'd been asking for, I'd question my judgement in taking on this job. So what, you say, he's getting £5m a year to do this, he should be able to go with the flow. You may be right, but at what point do you identify that improvisation (whilst it can be entertaining) isn't anywhere near as effective or beautiful as a well planned action.

When the crowd taunted "You don't know what you're doing" when replacing Pav with Bent, they might as well have been directing this to Dan Levy and the borad and their reluctance so far to admit that hiring Comolli, and giving him the power he has had, was his worst decision to date. In replacing BMJ with Ramos, but not giving Juande what he wanted the status quo has not changed its just a new album, new songs but with all the tunes sound exactly the same.

Part 3 coming up

Part 3

I hate a whinge without a solution and so a 3 point plan:
1. Let JR get on with it - if this is a transitional season, then so be it - we will not get relegated this season even if some of you have balls made of mini marshmallow and are already cacking it. We'll get through in the cups and have decent runs if not actually win something.
2. Initiate a search for a Comolli replacement - we need someone with real power and influence in the footballing world. One that can persuade people to part with their best players for very little money because they like him and know it will help them in their careers going forwards. People just don't like DC. Nothing personal, but if we don't like him in his current state as a yid, then why would you give him a discount?
3. Get players in January who suit the way Ramos wanted us to play this season. Players with steel, guile and ev erything else that's currently missing. We'll muddle through and actually improve a bit before then but we do need to find those missing pieces.

Just trying Finns method. Its a bit of a windy method and so I'll be sticking with quick 1-liners from now on.

We are going down if we continue to "play" like that.

No bite in midfield, no creativity, only one striker up front etc etc

I could not believe it when i saw Gilberto's name on the team sheet!!!!! What is Ramos playing at?

I can not see where a win is going to come from. Apart from Newcastle we are playing the worst football in the league.....at least they have an excuse!

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Harry Redknapp is the man. Or MO'N. But there is not a chance in hell that either of those self-respecting gentlemen would come here. THat would have to be insane!

Perhaps we could prise Roy away from SUnderland! That would be some coup! He's the sort we need and might have a chance...

I'd prefer Venables, but he'd never make it past security.

Reply to HarryHotspur:

Reply to thenight:

Just a thought, villa might not be the best team in the world but a few basics they have got right i think we could learn from.

The starting eleven for league games is the same.
The formation for each league game is the same.
The players all play in the same positions...

Excellent. Agree agree agree agree.

its not really rocket science though is it.

30,000 come to the same conclusions every week.

Thenight

"The starting eleven for league games is the same."
First task is to find a starting 11 that clicks. Even with all the changes - not one set has proven completely worthy as a unit.

"The formation for each league game is the same."
With the same starting 11, its bound to be. However I believe that the best games are played where we have adequately prepared for the tactics and players of the opposition, can suitably counter with better tactics and win by playing a clever game. Whatever formation you chose, you can't win every game using the same tactics. Villa are a little bit lucky in that they have a team that have learnt to adapt to quick formation changes mid game with the same set of players - showing both teamwork and versatility as a unit.

"The players all play in the same positions as the week before."
Again, a little naive here. Sorry.

You are right about one thing though, when played well - the game does indeed look very simple to those that can't see the clever intricate bits.

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Harry Redknapp is the man. Or MO'N. But there is not a chance in hell that either of those self-respecting gentlemen would come here. THat would have to be insane!

Perhaps we could prise Roy away from SUnderland! That would be some coup! He's the sort we need and might have a chance...

I don't know. Redknapp wouldn't have dragged himself all the way up to St James' Park if he wasn't open to negotiation.

But I won't chase this idyllic notion any further, as I think Ramos will be given additional cracks of the whip.

Unless the UEFA door slams in our faces in the imminent future...

Reply to markymark:

Harry Redknapp is the man. Or MO'N. But there is not a chance in hell that either of those self-respecting gentlemen would come here. THat would have to be insane!

Perhaps we could prise Roy away from SUnderland! That would be some coup! He's the sort we need and might have a chance...

I don't know. Redknapp wouldn't have dragged himself all the way up to St James' Park if he wasn't open to negotiation.

But I won't chase this idyllic notion any further, as I think Ramos will be given additional cracks of the whip*...

*Unless the UEFA door slams in our faces in the imminent future.

What's so bleak about us at the mo, is I can't see how or why it's going to change...
Ramos is a suposedly a good manager, despite not picking the same side ever, which maybe says he doesn't know what our best 11 is? Or worse, he does and knows they're not good enough! Maybe it's a subtle translation thing or just a board who haven't helped him, or a Pav like realisation that "Christ the Prem's quick and physical!"
We are desperate for the Jan transfer window, but can you imagine Huntelaar's, or anyones response to us when we're possibly out of Europe and best scenario in the league is mid table if you battle your nadsh(Dutch) off? Can we sell him on the glorious success of the CCup, no because we play Liverpool next. The outlook is bleak. Still Hull next in the league and they're...playing like a scum beating team. Joy.
Keep the faith?
On the plus side we might be about to be taken over...

Reply to markymark:

I posted last week regards the last three managers we've had: Hoddle was sacked on 1-1-4, Jol survived 1-1-4 but was sacked on 1-4-5. And now we are on 0-2-4. Ramos unquestionably has the worst record of any manager I can remember: way worse than Gross. I do not accept that we won the CArling Cup as...

Stop being silly and hysterical please.

We are not in crisis, we're 6 games into a season and two wins away from mid-table and manure. We know the reasons for this bad start (berb, keane and Comolli) but it's by no means insurmountable. Get a grip and a little patience while you're at it, calm down and support the boys while they toil. They will eventually get it together.

Wendy will be here next year.

Comolli may not.


Come on you Spurs.

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Part 3

I hate a whinge without a solution and so a 3 point plan:
1. Let JR get on with it - if this is a transitional season, then so be it - we will not get relegated this season even if some of you have balls made of mini marshmallow and are already cacking it. We'll get through...

Good stuff. My mini marshmallows are set for the heat.

Right, I know i may get a bit stick for this, but hear me out....
IF we do indeed sack Ramos and are in search of a new manager, how about....Keegan? F*ck off to you too (in anticipation), hear me out. I realise Keegan will prob be headin back to the Toon as soon as they are sold, but i think we could tempt him - fresh chalenge n all that. He motivates his teams, gets the best from what he has got, plays good football, wears his heart on his sleeve - things we deperately need froma manager. Face it, Newcastle are a good team when he is in charge and regularly hand us our arses on a plate. Problem is, he has 'commitment issues'...it's like we were separated at birth.

The night is darkest just before the dawn.

Sacking is not the answer. Just be patient. Ramos for October manager of the month!

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Right, I know i may get a bit stick for this, but hear me out....
IF we do indeed sack Ramos and are in search of a new manager, how about....Keegan? F*ck off to you too (in anticipation), hear me out. I realise Keegan will prob be headin back to the Toon as soon as they are sold, but i think...

Keegan? Ginge calling for Allardyce? My ears and eyes have just started bleeding.

F**k me, this is worse than I thought. Utter insanity.

... I'm lost for words.

Reply to SouthLondonYid:

Right, I know i may get a bit stick for this, but hear me out....
IF we do indeed sack Ramos and are in search of a new manager, how about....Keegan? F*ck off to you too (in anticipation), hear me out. I realise Keegan will prob be headin back to the Toon as soon as they are sold, but i think...

I have mailed you contact info for the Witness Protection Program.

LINK

Reply to merkypast:

Reply to markymark:

I posted last week regards the last three managers we've had: Hoddle was sacked on 1-1-4, Jol survived 1-1-4 but was sacked on 1-4-5. And now we are on 0-2-4. Ramos unquestionably has the worst record of any manager I can remember: way worse than Gross. I do not accept that we won the CArling Cup as...

Stop being silly and hysterical please.

We are not in crisis, we're 6 games into a season and two wins away from mid-table and manure. We know the reasons for this bad start (berb, keane and Comolli) but it's by no means insurmountable. Get a grip and a little patience while...

Go on the Merkster!

Reply to CaptainMabbsey:

The night is darkest just before the dawn.

Sacking is not the answer. Just be patient. Ramos for October manager of the month!

It's currently like we're in the wild wastes of Finland at night during deep winter when its completely overcast! Still when dawn breaks, it lasts for 6 months straight

October manager OTM? I'll hold you to that prediction.

Reply to SouthLondonYid:

Right, I know i may get a bit stick for this, but hear me out....
IF we do indeed sack Ramos and are in search of a new manager, how about....Keegan? F*ck off to you too (in anticipation), hear me out. I realise Keegan will prob be headin back to the Toon as soon as they are sold, but i think...

put the drugs down SLY!
I thought I was depressed!

Someone mentioned Keegan?
Things are worse than I thought!
Klinsmann looks to be in trouble at
Bayern, Maybe he's next?

Christ there are more jerking knees than a doctors.. surgery.. on reflex ....checking.......week?
I used to write for Blackadder. Sniff.
We'll be fine, just not the kind of fine I was hoping for...

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Reply to SouthLondonYid:

Right, I know i may get a bit stick for this, but hear me out....
IF we do indeed sack Ramos and are in search of a new manager, how about....Keegan? F*ck off to you too (in anticipation), hear me out. I realise Keegan will prob be headin back to the Toon as soon as they are sold, but i think...

Keegan? Ginge calling for Allardyce? My ears and eyes have just started bleeding.

F**k me, this is worse than I thought. Utter insanity.

... I'm lost for words.

Hey, agree with you about Allardyce!! WTF that about??!! But what is your reasoning for such an anti-keegan response? I backed my opinion with reasoning, so don't just giv it like you an authority on the subject fat boy - justify your loss of blood.

I am loathe for us to keep changing our manager, we should give someone time, but it will be too late at some point.

If we were conceding 3-4 goals a game I'd be worried, but we're not.
We're just not creating a lot in the final third, we can work on that, things will fall in to place.
It's not an ideal situation, but it's how it is.

Worrying is like a Rocking Chair, it gives you something to do but doesn't get you anywhere.

We're still the same team that went to Chelsea and got a draw.

COYS

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Reply to CaptainMabbsey:

Reply to SouthLondonYid:

Right, I know i may get a bit stick for this, but hear me out....
IF we do indeed sack Ramos and are in search of a new manager, how about....Keegan? F*ck off to you too (in anticipation), hear me out. I realise Keegan will prob be headin back to the Toon as soon as they are sold, but i think...

Keegan? Ginge calling for Allardyce? My ears and eyes have just started bleeding.

F**k me, this is worse than I thought. Utter insanity.

... I'm lost for words.

Hey, agree with you about Allardyce!! WTF that about??!! But what is your reasoning for such an anti-keegan response? I backed my opinion with reasoning, so don't just giv it like you an authority on the subject fat boy - justify your loss of blood.

I am loathe for us to keep changing...

The guys a clown. End of...

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Reply to SouthLondonYid:

Right, I know i may get a bit stick for this, but hear me out....
IF we do indeed sack Ramos and are in search of a new manager, how about....Keegan? F*ck off to you too (in anticipation), hear me out. I realise Keegan will prob be headin back to the Toon as soon as they are sold, but i think...

I have mailed you contact info for the Witness Protection Program.

LINK

Could you send the link again please, it don't work. Cheers.

Don't know about you, but I'm missing what should've been Jamiespurs opportunity for a final scathing rant on the merits of Les being on the planet. Perhaps he's taken it all into his own hands and we should alert the police to the possibility of a man, previously exiled to glasgee, heading south ensure that Les isn't seen in a Spurs kit again, ever.

Come to think of it, perhaps BC's gone to help him complete the job?

Reply to SouthLondonYid:

Right, I know i may get a bit stick for this, but hear me out....
IF we do indeed sack Ramos and are in search of a new manager, how about....Keegan? F*ck off to you too (in anticipation), hear me out. I realise Keegan will prob be headin back to the Toon as soon as they are sold, but i think...

Oh dear god!

Last several years in the life of kevin: Played golf.

Last several years of Wendy's life: Won 5 trophies and came 2nd in spanish league.

You'd rather have keegan?


I rest my case.

Reply to CaptainMabbsey:

Reply to SouthLondonYid:

Reply to CaptainMabbsey:

Reply to SouthLondonYid:

Right, I know i may get a bit stick for this, but hear me out....
IF we do indeed sack Ramos and are in search of a new manager, how about....Keegan? F*ck off to you too (in anticipation), hear me out. I realise Keegan will prob be headin back to the Toon as soon as they are sold, but i think...

Keegan? Ginge calling for Allardyce? My ears and eyes have just started bleeding.

F**k me, this is worse than I thought. Utter insanity.

... I'm lost for words.

Hey, agree with you about Allardyce!! WTF that about??!! But what is your reasoning for such an anti-keegan response? I backed my opinion with reasoning, so don't just giv it like you an authority on the subject fat boy - justify your loss of blood.

I am loathe for us to keep changing...

The guys a clown. End of...

Great argument. Stay off the doughnuts.

Reply to CaptainMabbsey:

The night is darkest just before the dawn.

Sacking is not the answer. Just be patient. Ramos for October manager of the month!

Im with you matey. Not sure about Ramos for October manager of the month tho.


We all know we have no chance to break the top4(sounds funny isnt it?! top4 ). Just make sure we'll still in the premier league next season and win a cup or two, which what Ramos good at, then I'll be happy.

Lets just forget the league for this season, and hopefully Ramos will learn from this season horrible league form. But if we get knocked out in UEFA Cup on thursday, thats another story.

Get behind Ramos and the team, people!

Can I please now boo without fear of retribution from Spurs fans?

Oh and.... Jenas is shite, pure unadulterated toilet. Come on someone.... tell me he runs his heart out.....works hard.... yada yada yada.... i'd rather have a lazy berbatov than a "running" jenas....

I have proper carrier bag face today....

Reply to HenryPercy:

Can I please now boo without fear of retribution from Spurs fans?

Oh and.... Jenas is shite, pure unadulterated toilet. Come on someone.... tell me he runs his heart out.....works hard.... yada yada yada.... i'd rather have a lazy berbatov than a "running" jenas....

I...

carrier bag face?

What plastic and says "ASDA - 'ave a dig?"

Reply to merkypast:

Reply to SouthLondonYid:

Right, I know i may get a bit stick for this, but hear me out....
IF we do indeed sack Ramos and are in search of a new manager, how about....Keegan? F*ck off to you too (in anticipation), hear me out. I realise Keegan will prob be headin back to the Toon as soon as they are sold, but i think...

Oh dear god!

Last several years in the life of kevin: Played golf.

Last several years of Wendy's life: Won 5 trophies and came 2nd in spanish league.

You'd rather have keegan?


I rest my case.

And how does Ramos' prem record compare with Keegan's numbnuts?

Rather keep Ramos n come 2nd in Prem, but don't look like happenin does it?

I rest my case.

Reply to Trembly:

Reply to HenryPercy:

Can I please now boo without fear of retribution from Spurs fans?

Oh and.... Jenas is shite, pure unadulterated toilet. Come on someone.... tell me he runs his heart out.....works hard.... yada yada yada.... i'd rather have a lazy berbatov than a "running" jenas....

I...

carrier bag face?

What plastic and says "ASDA - 'ave a dig?"

No... it's a reference to a comment I made the other day..... "I have a face that looks like someone has sh*t in a carrier bag and stuck it under my nose!"

Reply to Trembly:

Reply to CaptainMabbsey:

The night is darkest just before the dawn.

Sacking is not the answer. Just be patient. Ramos for October manager of the month!

It's currently like we're in the wild wastes of Finland at night during deep winter when its completely overcast! Still when dawn breaks, it lasts for 6 months straight

October manager OTM? I'll hold you to that prediction.

Agreed, it is a bit of an Arctic winter (with only the northern light of a win at the barcodes to see us through), but can't believe all this sacking stuff.

The point abot the October MOTM is just how quickly things can change in the beautiful game. This time next week we could be in the UEFA group stages, and with our first 3 prem points on the board, and then everyones bleating on about how we've turned a corner and the only way is up, counting the points gap to the gooners. Ramos is not popular at the moment but lets remember he turned the Spanish Man City (without the big investment) into double UEFA cup winners, challenging Barca and Real for La Liga and getting them into the Champions League. He is struggling to get to grips with the English game and hasn't got all the players he wanted, but has a good management team (possibly barring Comolli- i'm still not sure that all out shit transfers are 100% his fault but hey, he's an easy fall guy being a French ex-gooner) with money to spend in Jan.

Off to the bookies to find out what odds i'll get on him being October MOTM...

For me, our shit form is down to three things;

1. The manager
2. The total rebuild of our team
3. the lack of right players for the right position.

1. Ramos keeps chopping and changing and its really starting to piss me off. So he was happy with how things turned out vs NUFC and thus emploed the same formation, but changed 4 players. Some enforced by injury but its too many changes. He needs to settle on a team and stick with it, allowing for injury to King/Bale. Surely at this stage when things are desperate, continual changing of formations & players is not going to help. So selections are baffling - Gilberto, Dawson, WHY?? Why is Modric on the bench, why is Bentley getting a run when he has been very poor? Dropping JJ vs Villa? Too many stranges choices!

2. Our team look like strangers. there is nothing in the final third and no wonder with 1 up top & JJ making half-arsed attempts to support him. Mind you there could be 10 in the box and Bentley would still fail to find one of the with his crossing! It will take time to gel but like i said above, so much dicking around with players/formations makes this process long & painful.

3. The squad is short on numbers. Bent is a crap partner for any striker, one dimensional & limited. Without Modric there is no real creativity in midfield, a fact exposed by the loss of the Berba/Keane. We have no left winger or DM. dawson as first replacement CB is a worry. Missing 3 out of the 4 first choice defenders is not helpful but our problems are ahead of them, in midfield & attack.

Solution:
Stick with Ramos
Buy in Arshavin, Veloso, Capel £45m
Hope & pray we don;t get beaten by the Poles this week.

Reply to Devonshirespur:

For me, our shit form is down to three things;

1. The manager
2. The total rebuild of our team
3. the lack of right players for the right position.

1. Ramos keeps chopping and changing and its really starting to piss me off. So he was happy with how...

How about we just play campbell, yes I am using his FULL surname..... up front.

We start GIO and we shoot Zokora, Jenarse and Pavlyuchunko...

Reply to HenryPercy:

Reply to Devonshirespur:

For me, our shit form is down to three things;

1. The manager
2. The total rebuild of our team
3. the lack of right players for the right position.

1. Ramos keeps chopping and changing and its really starting to piss me off. So he was happy with how...

How about we just play campbell, yes I am using his FULL surname..... up front.

We start GIO and we shoot Zokora, Jenarse and Pavlyuchunko...

My only issues there are I think Pav is probably a great striker, Jenas would be difficult to shoot for visability reasons and Zokora would be a waste of a bullet.

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Reply to HarryHotspur:

Reply to SouthLondonYid:

Right, I know i may get a bit stick for this, but hear me out....
IF we do indeed sack Ramos and are in search of a new manager, how about....Keegan? F*ck off to you too (in anticipation), hear me out. I realise Keegan will prob be headin back to the Toon as soon as they are sold, but i think...

I have mailed you contact info for the Witness Protection Program.

LINK

Could you send the link again please, it don't work. Cheers.

It appears to be faulty, - it was Herr Keeg in his famous tight white shorts snap.

Reply to slim:

Someone mentioned Keegan?
Things are worse than I thought!
Klinsmann looks to be in trouble at
Bayern, Maybe he's next?

Neil Kinnock

Reply to Trembly:

Reply to CaptainMabbsey:

The night is darkest just before the dawn.

Sacking is not the answer. Just be patient. Ramos for October manager of the month!

It's currently like we're in the wild wastes of Finland at night during deep winter when its completely overcast! Still when dawn breaks, it lasts for 6 months straight

October manager OTM? I'll hold you to that prediction.

You aren't finish are you Tremblinho?

or even Finnish

Have to say that some of the comments have brought a smile to my face this morning, the darkest of mornings. For this i thank you

Anyway, no changes will be made before thurs game and if we get through, and these polish boys are no mugs, lets hope the league form gets better.

I though Zokora was alright to be honest. In fact he must have been doing alright or Ramos wouldnt have took him off.

If he had a brain he would be dangerous. never has that saying been more apt.


I reckon we should have bought Arshavin.

Arshavin will go to arsenal now.

we get fucking modric.

steed is great isnt he

swap bentley for diarra?

thought diarra was the best player on the pitch yesterday, popped up on the edge of their box anytime we looked like building a chance, would welcome him with open arms to the lane.....

Reply to Trembly:

Don't know about you, but I'm missing what should've been Jamiespurs opportunity for a final scathing rant on the merits of Les being on the planet. Perhaps he's taken it all into his own hands and we should alert the police to the possibility of a man, previously exiled to glasgee, heading south...

I have him rolled in a carpet in the boot in the front of my Hillman Imp.

Reply to HarryHotspur:

Reply to slim:

Someone mentioned Keegan?
Things are worse than I thought!
Klinsmann looks to be in trouble at
Bayern, Maybe he's next?

Neil Kinnock

Colin Wanker? NEVER!!

why do players always look so much better once they leave us?

when it comes to the jan transfer window, i think we have to look at proven prem league players, haven't got the luxury to wait for players to bed themselves in. diarra would be my first suggestion......

on a side note, was just looking at dean marney at hull, ex-spur doing the business at the weekend, brought back memories of his cracker against everton all those years ago.....oh the good old days!!!!

Reply to jolsgonemental:

why do players always look so much better once they leave us?

Postpartum depression.

Proven like Dave Bentley?

Reply to PLN:

Proven like Dave Bentley?

Like Steed Malbranque and Jermain Defoe.

We're talking purchases not sales. I'm just saying that even the safest transfer can turn into a mare.

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THAT ALL SAID IN MY LAST POST, I THINK THE LACK OF BACKING DETAILED IN THE PRESS BY LEVY FOR RAMOS RIGHT NOW SAYS A LOT, THIS WILL HIGHLIGHT A LOT OVER THE NEXT FEW DAYS ALSO, NOW THE PRESS/ FANS ARE CALLING FOR HIS HEAD, EXPECT LEVY TO COME OUT WITH SOMETHING, OR MAYBE WE'LL BE WATCHING SSN SEEING...

I've heard people say that we expect too much at Spurs, that we chop and change too quickly. All I would say to that is which fans in our position would not be baying for blood in the position we are in?
Agree about the support, made the hairs on the back of my neck stand up! Every time one...

Hey Ginge,

We need a hero. I've heard a few chants of Jamie OHara, and i love Jamie as much as the rest, (but apart from that, the odd cry of one aaron lennon, not heard anything, apart from the general chants, and there in, lies one of our problems). How can we the 'followers' be...

What did he say?? Im studying in KL, Malaysia and I was in Singapore at the weekend to watch F1 night race. I 've been trying to find out who this Asian billionaire is and whether its true or not. I asked couple of my mates in Spurs fan club in Singapore but still no confirmation from them.

This might be complete tosh but my understanding is that it's Mansion. Personally I can't wait. Not that I'm in the Levy out crowd as I believe there's a job for life for him at WHL. Only it involves him wearing a giant chicken suit and running round the pitch on match days.

no. bentley was never a safe transfer.

he isnt even good enough for the poorest england team in a decade.

15m for a player who has barely kicked a ball at international level?

players above 15m should be proven and probably erring on the side of 'definitely decent'. in my humble opinion

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THAT ALL SAID IN MY LAST POST, I THINK THE LACK OF BACKING DETAILED IN THE PRESS BY LEVY FOR RAMOS RIGHT NOW SAYS A LOT, THIS WILL HIGHLIGHT A LOT OVER THE NEXT FEW DAYS ALSO, NOW THE PRESS/ FANS ARE CALLING FOR HIS HEAD, EXPECT LEVY TO COME OUT WITH SOMETHING, OR MAYBE WE'LL BE WATCHING SSN SEEING...

I've heard people say that we expect too much at Spurs, that we chop and change too quickly. All I would say to that is which fans in our position would not be baying for blood in the position we are in?
Agree about the support, made the hairs on the back of my neck stand up! Every time one...

Hey Ginge,

We need a hero. I've heard a few chants of Jamie OHara, and i love Jamie as much as the rest, (but apart from that, the odd cry of one aaron lennon, not heard anything, apart from the general chants, and there in, lies one of our problems). How can we the 'followers' be...

What did he say?? Im studying in KL, Malaysia and I was in Singapore at the weekend to watch F1 night race. I 've been trying to find out who this Asian billionaire is and whether its true or not. I asked couple of my mates in Spurs fan club in Singapore but still no confirmation from them.

This might be complete tosh but my understanding is that it's Mansion. Personally I can't wait. Not that I'm in the Levy out crowd as I believe there's a job for life for him at WHL. Only it involves him wearing a giant chicken suit and running round the pitch on match days.

We'd have to put Jenarse on the list, 'cos that's his job.

Immediate solution using current crop/crock of players.
WHEN FIT we play every game with Gomes, Corluka, Woodgate, King, Hutton, Bale, Lennon, Ohara, Modric, Campbell, Pav. Corluka for King when not fit with Zakora reluctantly replacing him. Snoop very reluctantly for Hutton when not fit. Bring Dos Equis or Bentley on, on 65 occassionaly. Repeat this every game until we start winning....but Never, ever, EVER play Dawson again. I used to think he was ok when Led was holding his hand and screaming instructions at him, but no more. Never Gilberto.
In Jan buy like the wind! We'll be ok...

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THAT ALL SAID IN MY LAST POST, I THINK THE LACK OF BACKING DETAILED IN THE PRESS BY LEVY FOR RAMOS RIGHT NOW SAYS A LOT, THIS WILL HIGHLIGHT A LOT OVER THE NEXT FEW DAYS ALSO, NOW THE PRESS/ FANS ARE CALLING FOR HIS HEAD, EXPECT LEVY TO COME OUT WITH SOMETHING, OR MAYBE WE'LL BE WATCHING SSN SEEING...

I've heard people say that we expect too much at Spurs, that we chop and change too quickly. All I would say to that is which fans in our position would not be baying for blood in the position we are in?
Agree about the support, made the hairs on the back of my neck stand up! Every time one...

Hey Ginge,

We need a hero. I've heard a few chants of Jamie OHara, and i love Jamie as much as the rest, (but apart from that, the odd cry of one aaron lennon, not heard anything, apart from the general chants, and there in, lies one of our problems). How can we the 'followers' be...

What did he say?? Im studying in KL, Malaysia and I was in Singapore at the weekend to watch F1 night race. I 've been trying to find out who this Asian billionaire is and whether its true or not. I asked couple of my mates in Spurs fan club in Singapore but still no confirmation from them.

This might be complete tosh but my understanding is that it's Mansion. Personally I can't wait. Not that I'm in the Levy out crowd as I believe there's a job for life for him at WHL. Only it involves him wearing a giant chicken suit and running round the pitch on match days.

well we are all a tad fractious today are'nt we?. i'm glad to see that none of the panic has transferred from pitch to fans. Jenarse et al may be playing like decapitated rhode island reds, but we're having none of it.we're more steadfast than the black watch facing down a division of panzers. anybody who's been a fan for more than a nanosecond has seen it all before. cut the clucking, front it out 'till 3 or 4 games after the window grow a set and think of henry V, nelson and winston churchill.

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no. bentley was never a safe transfer.

he isnt even good enough for the poorest england team in a decade.

15m for a player who has barely kicked a ball at international level?

players above 15m should be proven and probably erring on the side of...

Hindsight is wonderful.

We needed someone who could take a set piece and put decent service into the right areas.

I doubt anyone would have predicted that he'd lose that ability so quickly after signing for us.

We are worse than shit. And i'm beginning to think Ramos is clueless. Assou Ekotto, Gilberto should not be playing for us. Bentley was suppose to be a dead ball specialist... ha ha. Pav needs a partner, Lennon needs to play and Jenas needs to grow some balls. Dawson is terrible. i used to like him, alot ( not in that way) but he has gone so far backwards its unreal. Woodgate needs to take control of our backline, and we need hutton back, so charlie boy can move infield, either DM or CB.
We need help, big time.

Main problem with the setup is:

Players aren't improved. When zola joined west ham he said he is looking forward to working with a numner of players and improving them. at tottenham if a player doesn't look world class all the time they are replaced! jamie o hara, jenas, zokora all could be world class players with the right coaching staff helping them improve. If zokora could pass a ball, if jenas improved his consistency and o'hara developed properly they could be real assets. If you look at Villa they've taken barry, ashley young and gabby, and turned them into worldbeaters. They've taken players like reo-cocker, luke young and shorey and turned them into key components of a successfull side. I think the management needs to be spend more time trying to get the most out of our players rather than scouting europe trying to find replacements, with no passion for the club/fans or EPL experience.

Also we need to stop thinking that the transfer window is going to change anything. In the state we are in we are not going to be able to attract any real quality so we need to look at players that can do a job for tottenham FC. Realistically i'd be happy with Jimmy Bullard, engine room in midfield! Martin Petrov great winger and isn't getting much game time at city. Owen is in the last year of his contract and must want out at newcastle...if we can gain sum credabillity before january we might be able to tempt him! those are 3 players all will EPL experiece, in positions we need players who would cost no more than 15million. anyone agree?

Ramos out.....hes not up to the challenge. people say he hasn't got the players we wanted...look at the job alan curbishley did at west ham with all the injuries he had. the football he has got tottenham FC playing would see us struggle in the championship, its one dimensional hopeful long balls lack of movment, and far from entertaining! Jenas came out today and said he things JR is feeling the pressure! i fukin hope so...

Guys,seen the Veloso shouts, and has anyone actually seen him play? Diarra looked good and the kind of player we need who's doing it in Premiership. He's probably attainable, where as Veloso might not settle and will probably go to the Ars* anyway...
Short term solution could be get Ledley back in as the DM until Jan (but will his legs take it) and switch Corluka to centre half.
Go back to a 442, and play in a formation which is easily understandable to the players. Perhaps some pace to burn on the wings, with Gio and and Lennon and Bent and Pav up front at least we might look like we can create some chances and we might have a few more players up front to boot.

I'm sure lots of you heard this on H&J just now, but Paul Hawksbee has a mate who was talking to a Spurs player and he said when the subs board goes up, all 11 players look round to see who it is, as they've no idea what's coming next.
Not ideal...
Someone'll think it keeps players on their toes, but I think it's proving unsettling.

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Main problem with the setup is:

Players aren't improved. When zola joined west ham he said he is looking forward to working with a numner of players and improving them. at tottenham if a player doesn't look world class all the time they are replaced! jamie o hara, jenas, zokora all...

mikey, Villa have an outstanding manager, who buys players to fit in a formation, gets the best out of them, he puts an arm round em. Ramos isn't like that, and interesting to note Pleat said we nearly got Oneil but he didn't want a DOF as he wanted to control who comes and goes. We have a system, who knows who's to blame whereby, we seem to buy players and retrospectively then think about how we can structure the best formation, it's ar*e about face in my opinion

Rather than reply to I'd just like to say I'd bet the Asian Billionaire isn't "Mansion". As I understood it he loves Man Utd (hence wanting to sponsor them long before the Spurs deal was agreed - remember?), and Mansion probably want Spurs to be relegated to exe