Pole Dancing Cancelled

The whole game Harry? You're really spoiling us

Never gave the Hughes story any credence anyway. Then again, not much at Spurs would surprise.

I'd have to say that, were Ramos to be sacked, it would surely signal the end of Comolli. Wasn't it his bright idea to recruit Ramos in the first place? He has a lot riding on his Spanish horse. Were Comolli to remain if Ramos left, then we might as well assume that not even a hurricane would shift him.

Not that I'm blaming Comolli in particular. The blame can be attributed to many individuals, in varying degrees. But spreading it unilaterally across the whole club like horse-sh1t only fertilises resentment among those who are slogging their guts our for the cause, despite their efforts amounting to very little.

We look for a pill that will be a solve-all our several sicknesses. Dismissing Comolli isn't necessarily that pill. It might be a good medicine to start with, but it won’t cure the malaise between the coaching methods and the players' ability to deliver good performances. What tincture do we need for that?

Culpability among the players, too, is as variable in degree as it is over the club. A blame-culture offers little by way of a productive outcome, but individual errors must be identified and corrected. This is when you would hope the discriminative faculties of the board and coaching staff are proved worthy. Then, by positive critique, rather than negative criticism, you might see beneficial results.

People talk about work-rate in some players, but that by itself isn’t enough. What does it matter that Jenas can run all day (when he can be arsed) if, like Sisyphus, he rolls the stone up the hill, only for it to roll back down again? Some players just aren’t good enough. We’re still reasonably lucky that there’s a circus up in the north-east providing hilarity to all, else we’d be the butt of every joke.

The objective was to qualify - achieved unlike the scousers. This team played with confidence pre-season and my only doubt about Ramos is that the team keeps changing too much.

zokora had a couple of decent moments. what worried me the mos was King and Woodgate - they are meant to be our number 1 defensive pair. shocking lack of communication for their goal...

I wonder if Woodgate's under-par performance is on account of him having no fixed partner. It can't be easy forging a relationship with King every four games, Dawson every three, Huddlestone every two. Or maybe the sickness has got to him, like it has everyone else at the club.

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The whole game Harry? You're really spoiling us

I recommend it to non-spurs supporting insomniacs.

Stay away if you are a Spurs fan of any disposition. If you're depressed DO NOT WATCH under any circumstances. It will only make things worse.

Gomes - Good. Actually beyond good, I'd say fantastic.

Modric - Think he should of stayed on and was starting to look composed and capable of pulling the strings. Why was he subbed?

King - Beginning to run like he's treading water, surely the knees are on the verge of going.

Bale - This time last year he was the bright young thing. Why is he making things look so damn hard. (probably because he's being asked to play 2-3 positions a game!)

JJ - has lived of the Old Trafford free kick for long enough. His set piece delivery was atrocious. He couldn't even deliver my milk! - Probably his worst game in a Spurs shirt.

FC & Bent - Tried hard to get involved. Doesn't help when the midfield is nothing short of useless and unable to supply half decent crosses and balls to them.

Lennon - ONE good cross against Newcastle. Normal Lennon service was resumed yesterday. Please someone get him to pracitice his crossing.

To top it all off, it appears that Ramos is feeling confident enough to field reserves and second stringers against Hull. A poor performance and a loss on Sunday and I think Levy will get out his gun and head off to Ramos' office.

Also, to put things in perspective, Barcelona lost here in a Chumpions League qualifier so give Spurs a break guys!!

I don't think there's any chance we could get Mark Hughes, but we could possibly get Steve Coppell. Then all we'd need is Heskey in the transfer window, and we'd be sorted.

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Also, to put things in perspective, Barcelona lost here in a Chumpions League qualifier so give Spurs a break guys!!

Barca were 4-0 up after the first leg. Job done in their eyes.

Spurs NEEDED to win that game last night and they struggled. I'm actually getting to the point of anger about Spurs. I've tried to stay philosophical about things but I am running out of patience.

Something has to happen.

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I wonder if Woodgate's under-par performance is on account of him having no fixed partner. It can't be easy forging a relationship with King every four games, Dawson every three, Huddlestone every two. Or maybe the sickness has got to him, like it has everyone else at the club.

Wholeheartedly agree. Medic! Man Down!

sadly it seems like some of us are expecting a meal from Petrus when all that we own is a kebab shop. we were deluding ourselves and the reality is a bitter pill. a revision of the teams capabilities is overdue

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The whole game Harry? You're really spoiling us

The floggings will continue until morale improves

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The whole game Harry? You're really spoiling us

The floggings will continue until morale improves

I look forward to the rapidshare files of the '87 Cup Final

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The whole game Harry? You're really spoiling us

I recommend it to non-spurs supporting insomniacs.

Stay away if you are a Spurs fan of any disposition. If you're depressed DO NOT WATCH under any circumstances. It will only make things worse.

Gomes - Good. Actually beyond good, I'd say fantastic.

Modric...

"ONE good cross against Newcastle. Normal Lennon service was resumed yesterday. Please someone get him to pracitice his crossing."

Absolutely. How many hours a week are these clowns training? Are they working on his headers or goal kicks? He should spend 80% of his time practising beating 27 people and delivering kiler crosses.

The 'final ball' conversation in relation to this guy has become a joke.

It's like complaining endlessly there's no plates in McDonalds. Vaguely funny once but then just a tired statement of fact really not worth the bother of repeating.

Hi Guys, i think Ramos's time is up, Tottenham as we know it is a Business, we all work for a living in businesses. So let's take our football heads off one moment and put ourselves in a business world, to assess the merits of what the Board must be thinking. You employ a manager with a great reputation, brought in on a huge contract to win games, your confidence in him is sky high even though he cant speak the language, in his first season he sets about dismantling a previously successful team, but we still have faith, even if results are mixed, and then climatically a huge high, he leads us to a Cup victory, our first for 10 years or so, he's a messiah, after that nothing left to play for in the league, so even though results are dreadful, we cut him some slack, as next season he will have learnt the language and brought his own players. Pre Season, he buys loads of new players, changing effectively the whole team, and system, now it's his own team, when the new season starts we perform abysmally, the manager still cant speak the language very well, and has taken the club massively backwards, he's still on his fat contract, and we sit rooted to the bottom of the league. The football we are playing is terrible, for a glamour club like Spurs, meaning punters may not come, also all those buyers we were seeking out to purchase a club with a high stock, surely they dont want to be buying a championship team! That can cause a business to think trigger happy, and usually for me when the press have a story whether it's mark hughes, or berbatove, there's an element of truth in it...Welcome thoughts, just wanted to try and look at this from a business perspective, which is how i think our board works unfortunately for the football side.

On a completely different issue, do you think that the Home Secretary, Jacqui Smith, looks like this in Total Recall?
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Reply to MysteriousStranger:

The whole game Harry? You're really spoiling us

I recommend it to non-spurs supporting insomniacs.

Stay away if you are a Spurs fan of any disposition. If you're depressed DO NOT WATCH under any circumstances. It will only make things worse.

Gomes - Good. Actually beyond good, I'd say fantastic.

Modric...

"ONE good cross against Newcastle. Normal Lennon service was resumed yesterday. Please someone get him to pracitice his crossing."

Absolutely. How many hours a week are these clowns training? Are they working on his headers or goal kicks? He should spend 80% of his time practising...

Thats the problem though HH. It IS a joke?

The point is how and why have we not seen any improvement in his delivery? What is going on in training that we have a winger who can't cross a football.

I will not bring the point up again in the future. I just think its unfair that the strikers get branded as'useless' when they have no decent delivery.

Apologies for rasing the lennon / final ball debate.

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I wonder if Woodgate's under-par performance is on account of him having no fixed partner. It can't be easy forging a relationship with King every four games, Dawson every three, Huddlestone every two. Or maybe the sickness has got to him, like it has everyone else at the club.

Wholeheartedly agree. Medic! Man Down!

Harry, King is not getting any younger or better, apart from fitness issues. Pastures can be quite pleasant, I've heard. They're nice and green, there's ample time to lie in the sun and chew the cud as and when.

In a funny sort of why, I see the King issue as fairly core with what's wrong with the club. No one is suggesting he clear his locker and leave the premises, but you can't boss the fulcrum of defence on a part-time basis. It seems a peculiarly Spurs way to run a club.

what worries me about ramos is all his bold substitutions last season came off and we all thought he was a tactical genius this season his team selection and substitutions have been bewildering, just suppose he was lucky last season and were seeing the real wendy now, then we are in deep shit

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Also, to put things in perspective, Barcelona lost here in a Chumpions League qualifier so give Spurs a break guys!!

Barca were 4-0 up after the first leg. Job done in their eyes.

Spurs NEEDED to win that game last night and they struggled. I'm actually getting to the point of anger about Spurs. I've tried to stay philosophical about things but I am running out of patience.

Something...

But we got through, it's not great but at least we got through to the draw. Understand your frustration, but that was a tough game for most teams. Pitch was poor and not an easy place to go when your confidence is poor.
I think we need to look at yesterday as positive rather than another negative.

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I wonder if Woodgate's under-par performance is on account of him having no fixed partner. It can't be easy forging a relationship with King every four games, Dawson every three, Huddlestone every two. Or maybe the sickness has got to him, like it has everyone else at the club.

Wholeheartedly agree. Medic! Man Down!

Harry, King is not getting any younger or better, apart from fitness issues. Pastures can be quite pleasant, I've heard. They're nice and green, there's ample time to lie in the sun and chew the cud as and when.

In a funny sort of why, I see the King issue as fairly core with what's...

I suggested gawd knows how long ago that King be replaced. Not presented with a bin bag and his P45 in a corridor, but nevertheless replaced.

I was greeted with a round chorus of 'you're making him ill.'

It seems a perculiar way to treat a legend.

If he was an animal the RSPCA would have stepped in by now and served an order on Levy from owning pets.

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The buy-out can't come soon enough.

Pitiful piles of poo!
Isn't it bleak that the only way we could beat a piss poor(really) side over two legs was with the help of a Man Utd loan player we're grooming for them!
I can't even kid myself that we're one game away from tearing someone a new one. The fact that I can't see us beating Hull AT HOME, or Stoke seems unthinkable a few weeks ago.
I think Mod needs more game time. Hopefully Bentley is sweating the weight off somewhere and practicing delivery... Domino's maybe. Jenas just woeful as they all were really, bar the one joy of the season so far...the octopus, eight tentacles of joy, the women must love him.
I think and hope Ramos's subs are just a result of him being twitchy, therefore thinks he at least needs to be seen to be doing something. If we get a couple of wins, then maybe he'll be less Rafa like.
So bring on Hull?

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I wonder if Woodgate's under-par performance is on account of him having no fixed partner. It can't be easy forging a relationship with King every four games, Dawson every three, Huddlestone every two. Or maybe the sickness has got to him, like it has everyone else at the club.

Wholeheartedly agree. Medic! Man Down!

Harry, King is not getting any younger or better, apart from fitness issues. Pastures can be quite pleasant, I've heard. They're nice and green, there's ample time to lie in the sun and chew the cud as and when.

In a funny sort of why, I see the King issue as fairly core with what's...

I suggested gawd knows how long ago that King be replaced. Not presented with a bin bag and his P45 in a corridor, but nevertheless replaced.

I was greeted with a round chorus of 'you're making him ill.'

It seems a perculiar way to treat a legend.

If...

This will make everyone laugh and hopefully take your minds off the doom & gloom at present, Its absoloutely brilliant:

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Corluka is doing his bit for the eurowag culture:

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And are spurs merely using old statements to shield the truth? (admittedly its from a crap site but the statement is similar in wording)

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Jenas has always been dog crap. Why we keep playing him God only knows. He has maybe 2 decent games out of 30. W.T.F? If Lampard or Gerrard had a piss poor show like that they would be dropped. We for some unknown reason to mankind continue to persist.

Long Live Jamaine Jenas!!!!

You are the best midfielder in the world.

Not even the mighty Tottenham Hotspur will drop you from their starting lineup.

Then again, who the hell could even play in his place? Maybe the great Hossam Ghalley.

"Gomes 9 Quite simply the best thing since sliced bread "

This is sarcasm right?

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"Gomes 9 Quite simply the best thing since sliced bread "

This is sarcasm right?

I prefer unsliced, as it stays fresher.

an own goal created by a loaned player is the only highlight for THFC. I don't know how much worse things can get. Any kind of result against Hull will be a triumph.....

This is what worries me:

1. players out of position. Modric at LW effectively. NO GOOD

2. no decent passing moves / retention of possession. Mainly because JJ, Lennon & Zakora are limited in passing and Modric was stuck out left & never got the ball.

3. Lack of quality in to the box. The Lennon debate! say no more. But bentley has been no better this season.

4. No balance down the left hand side. Now with 6 left footers in the squaad and we still do not have one that naturally players on the left wing.

5. Despite having 3 of 4 first choice defenders we look totally disorganised & like strangers. Probably due to the fact that that 4 rarely if ever play together and the defence sees 3 changes from Sunday.

6. Our defensive options,esp in UEFA , are poor. Dawson is a liability . If we had decent cover, King would play in the league and the cover in UEFA/Cups. Instead, King has missed 4 of our 6 league games and we have lost them all.

Yes it would be better if Hutton was back and the pitch was decent yesterday, but in all honesty it could barely be any worse and I'm an optimist.

Ramos needs to quit pissing around with team selection. Select his top 12/13 and stick with them, making only very minor changes if necessary. Villa have played the same starting 11 for every league game this season. This is what we need to be looking to do. King should play league games. Surely, Dawson is capable enough to play in Europe against an averge polish team.

2 up front. Pav will be a wreck by Christams otherwise, having played since March and all through the summer.

For players to gel, we need to get them out on the park playing together week in and week out. We can start rotating/making massive tactical changes when we are settled. Lets not try to run before we can walk wendy, it clearly isn't working

Would be nice to Ramos go for it against Hull, but then maybe that's me just wanting to see some action, would love a 4-3 right now... but we'd need to pick all three of our strikers...

How about

Gomes

Gunter
Bale
Corluka (assuming King doesn't play)
Woody

Lennon
O'Hara
Modric

Bent
Pav
Frazer

'Five of the last six clubs to have failed to win any of their opening six Premier League games have been relegated. The team that survived – West Brom in 2004-05 – didn’t fare much better, going into the final day in last place before completing a great escape.

In each of the last six seasons, the team that have been bottom after five games has gone on to be relegated: West Ham, Wolves, Crystal Palace, Sunderland, Sheffield United and Derby.

And five of the last six that have been bottom after six games have also gone down.'
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Which is why it's always good to have outside interests to football. And which is why the football season should be switched to summer, when there are plenty of pretty girls around to occupy the mind and.... things.

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'Five of the last six clubs to have failed to win any of their opening six Premier League games have been relegated. The team that survived – West Brom in 2004-05 – didn’t fare much better, going into the final day in last place before completing a great escape.

In each of the last si...

Stats are there to be amended...
I think the one positive is that the points gap isn't massive, yet...
If by some fluke or flurry of own goals, or sending's off, we win against Hull and Stoke, things would look wildly different.
I guess sides that get relegated usually have an issue scoring(!) and of course leaking loads of goals...yeah we're in trouble aren't we.

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'Five of the last six clubs to have failed to win any of their opening six Premier League games have been relegated. The team that survived – West Brom in 2004-05 – didn’t fare much better, going into the final day in last place before completing a great escape.

In each of the last si...

Stats are there to be amended...
I think the one positive is that the points gap isn't massive, yet...
If by some fluke or flurry of own goals, or sending's off, we win against Hull and Stoke, things would look wildly different.
I guess sides that get relegated usually have an...

I like the idea of stats being there to be amended. Kind of gives me hope. But then I remember: stats only lie 15% of the time. At least, 75% of stats do. The remainder is statistically unquantifiable.

Yeah, we're in trouble. Heroes to zeroes in months. Let's hope Wolverine and Cyclops are available in the January window.

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'Five of the last six clubs to have failed to win any of their opening six Premier League games have been relegated. The team that survived – West Brom in 2004-05 – didn’t fare much better, going into the final day in last place before completing a great escape.

In each of the last si...

Stats are there to be amended...
I think the one positive is that the points gap isn't massive, yet...
If by some fluke or flurry of own goals, or sending's off, we win against Hull and Stoke, things would look wildly different.
I guess sides that get relegated usually have an...

I like the idea of stats being there to be amended. Kind of gives me hope. But then I remember: stats only lie 15% of the time. At least, 75% of stats do. The remainder is statistically unquantifiable.

Yeah, we're in trouble. Heroes to zeroes in months. Let's hope Wolverine and...

...Yeah but will they want to come to a side who by then could be out of Europe and rock bottom of the Prem?! I can see Wolverine's first game in a Spurs shirt...tearing a nail.
Cyclops can see a pass though.

Problem with Cyclops is that he's only seeing whats in front of him. He has no peripheral vision.

Shitting ourselves with a ramshakled defence before a Hull match. Less points than Derby County had this time last year.
The icing on the dung pile will be when our former star strikers score against us.
I wished I stayed in bed (this season).

I can pass no further comment for fear of officially becoming a geek. Talking, no joking about Superheroes on the internet with strangers. AAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGHHH.
As the silver surfer would no doubt say, NNNOOOOoooo

To be fair to Ramos, he asked for a DM but didn't get one. Word is he asked for someone like Beast, with his special powers: superhuman strength, speed, stamina, agility, reflexes, enhanced senses, ambidexterity with hands and feet, minor pheromone manipulation, felinoid form, blue fur, night vision, claws, wall climbing. LINK

Seriously, how hard can it be to find someone like that? But, as usual DC failed to deliver.

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Shitting ourselves with a ramshakled defence before a Hull match. Less points than Derby County had this time last year.
The icing on the dung pile will be when our former star strikers score against us.
I wished I stayed in bed (this season).

..Icing on the dung pile, I see you're familiar with McDonald's winter menu. The Mcworry.
I'm hurling it.

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To be fair to Ramos, he asked for a DM but didn't get one. Word is he asked for someone like Beast, with his special powers: superhuman strength, speed, stamina, agility, reflexes, enhanced senses, ambidexterity with hands and feet, minor pheromone manipulation, felinoid form, blue fur, night...

And the presence of Sam Allardyce

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To be fair to Ramos, he asked for a DM but didn't get one. Word is he asked for someone like Beast, with his special powers: superhuman strength, speed, stamina, agility, reflexes, enhanced senses, ambidexterity with hands and feet, minor pheromone manipulation, felinoid form, blue fur, night...

And the presence of Sam Allardyce

Ah the 'presence of Sam Allardyce'...the worst aftershave I ever...sorry I'm in a bad joke spin.
Just tried to cheer myself up by looking at our fixtures...so after Hull,Stoke and Bolton we have Scum, pool, Citeh, pool! If we haven't picked up at least six points from the next three games Ramos will be gone soon after...

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clearly a gooner

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clearly a gooner

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'Five of the last six clubs to have failed to win any of their opening six Premier League games have been relegated. The team that survived – West Brom in 2004-05 – didn’t fare much better, going into the final day in last place before completing a great escape.

In each of the last si...

statisically speaking, on average the human being has 1.998 legs. how many people do you know with 1.998 legs?

Reply to Joe:

"Gomes 9 Quite simply the best thing since sliced bread "

This is sarcasm right?

Thought it was a simile.

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This is what worries me:

1. players out of position. Modric at LW effectively. NO GOOD

2. no decent passing moves / retention of possession. Mainly because JJ, Lennon & Zakora are limited in passing and Modric was stuck out left & never got the ball.
...

I agree with a lot of what you have to say Devon'.

But lets have it straight on a couple of other points!

Dawson - A bloody good defender that was progressing well when partnered with King early in his Spurs career. The fans started getting on his back when King got injured and Dawson had a different partner every game (Rocha, Gardener, Kaboul, Zakora)meaning that a relatively young central defender with limited top flight experience was, at times having to be the leader of our back line. Then came Woody and Dawson looked like he may have an experienced, long term partner in defence. But no, the King is fit but only for every third game or big games (cup finals, Uefa Cup, Chelscum, Manure, Arse et al) which must do wonders for Dawsons confidence. Not only is he not good enough for the "big" games but he doesn't get more than a couple of games in before he is dropped for everybodys favourite knee replacement surgery candidate!

Now I love Ledders as much as the next Spurs fan but there comes a time where you have to look to the future. I would not get rid of Ledders but if he is not fit enough to play every game he should be no more than a sub to bring on if the need arises. Dawson and Woody should get the opportunity to forge a partnership and hopefully that would breed some confidence in the back four and Gomes. If Ledders ever regains full fitness he should then have to regain his place on merit.

I want to love Wendy but it going to be difficult if he makes negative substitutions like those against the Poles. BMJ did it and we gave him a telling off and now Wendy has followed suite. I remember not so long ago Jol throwing points away by negative substitutions trying to protect a lead/draw and either losing points or leaving us with backs against the wall, defending for our lives for the remainder of a game. Negative tactics breed negative results in my humble opinion!! Cut it out Wendy!!

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'Five of the last six clubs to have failed to win any of their opening six Premier League games have been relegated. The team that survived – West Brom in 2004-05 – didn’t fare much better, going into the final day in last place before completing a great escape.

In each of the last si...

statisically speaking, on average the human being has 1.998 legs. how many people do you know with 1.998 legs?

finally an explanation for Jermaine Jenas.

And i've said it before and i'll say it again our midfielders need to start shooting. When 90 mins has passed in a game and Zokora has been the closest to scoring out of our midfielders there is a problem. Over the last few seasons our goalscoring from strikers has been up there with the top four but forgetting goals against our biggest difference between us and the top four has been in the goals from midfield column. Without looking up and quoting stats we simply do not score enough goals from midfield and after hours of deciphering complex mathmatical equasions I have concluded that without relying on the opposition to score own goals for us we must shoot at the opposition goal which occasionally may result in a goal directly or indirectly by means of deflection or a fumbled save by a keeper allowing a striker to nip in! So if anybody had Wendys e-mail address please pass on my findings!!!

I remember a couple of seasons back seeing some stats about Chelseas goals from midfield during a Premiership winning season. I can't remember the details but there was a significant percentage of those goals that were scored b y way of deflection! You don't buy a ticket you won't win the raffle lads.

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'Five of the last six clubs to have failed to win any of their opening six Premier League games have been relegated. The team that survived – West Brom in 2004-05 – didn’t fare much better, going into the final day in last place before completing a great escape.

In each of the last si...

statisically speaking, on average the human being has 1.998 legs. how many people do you know with 1.998 legs?

that delightful geordie golddigger lady macca has approximately 1.3, does that count?.

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This is what worries me:

1. players out of position. Modric at LW effectively. NO GOOD

2. no decent passing moves / retention of possession. Mainly because JJ, Lennon & Zakora are limited in passing and Modric was stuck out left & never got the ball.
...

I agree with a lot of what you have to say Devon'.

But lets have it straight on a couple of other points!

Dawson - A bloody good defender that was progressing well when partnered with King early in his Spurs career. The fans started getting on his back when King got...

Some common sense on Les at last. People seem to either conveniently forget how well he used to play, or just write him off. He's suffering from a worse lack of confidence than the rest of our team, and Woody can help to give it back.

As for the negative subs, it's a tricky one. Every time we've been in front this season, against the toon and Rizla, we seem to play with less confidence not more, as we're scared of losing the lead. To not shore up could be suicidal. I agree it's not ideal, but if that's what it takes to scrape a couple of wins and get some confidence then I'm all for it.

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'Five of the last six clubs to have failed to win any of their opening six Premier League games have been relegated. The team that survived – West Brom in 2004-05 – didn’t fare much better, going into the final day in last place before completing a great escape.

In each of the last si...

statisically speaking, on average the human being has 1.998 legs. how many people do you know with 1.998 legs?

2.7

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'Five of the last six clubs to have failed to win any of their opening six Premier League games have been relegated. The team that survived – West Brom in 2004-05 – didn’t fare much better, going into the final day in last place before completing a great escape.

In each of the last si...

statisically speaking, on average the human being has 1.998 legs. how many people do you know with 1.998 legs?

finally an explanation for Jermaine Jenas.

legs not brain cells

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This is what worries me:

1. players out of position. Modric at LW effectively. NO GOOD

2. no decent passing moves / retention of possession. Mainly because JJ, Lennon & Zakora are limited in passing and Modric was stuck out left & never got the ball.
...

I agree with a lot of what you have to say Devon'.

But lets have it straight on a couple of other points!

Dawson - A bloody good defender that was progressing well when partnered with King early in his Spurs career. The fans started getting on his back when King got...

Some common sense on Les at last. People seem to either conveniently forget how well he used to play, or just write him off. He's suffering from a worse lack of confidence than the rest of our team, and Woody can help to give it back.

As for the negative subs, it's a tricky one. Every...

i agree daws comes in for a great deal of undeserved stick, often by the same people who have a selective myopia towards the many failings of jenas.

jake the peg had an extra leg. though i fear he may have been a figment of rolf harris' imagination.

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This is what worries me:

1. players out of position. Modric at LW effectively. NO GOOD

2. no decent passing moves / retention of possession. Mainly because JJ, Lennon & Zakora are limited in passing and Modric was stuck out left & never got the ball.
...

I agree with a lot of what you have to say Devon'.

But lets have it straight on a couple of other points!

Dawson - A bloody good defender that was progressing well when partnered with King early in his Spurs career. The fans started getting on his back when King got...

Some common sense on Les at last. People seem to either conveniently forget how well he used to play, or just write him off. He's suffering from a worse lack of confidence than the rest of our team, and Woody can help to give it back.

As for the negative subs, it's a tricky one. Every...

i agree daws comes in for a great deal of undeserved stick, often by the same people who have a selective myopia towards the many failings of jenas.

Dawson was and is only good when taking direction from Led. He has appalling positional sense and reading of the game, so Led has to scream at him where to go. He clearly hasn't the intelligence to have taken any of it on board, so he's a liability on his own. Combined with a total lack of confidence, I think playing him is like handicapping us.
That's what I think!

Blimey, whats with the les dawson appreciation club doing on here.

Now I know i give Dawson alot of abuse. BUT..... all i have heard from people sticking up for him is "people have forgotten how good he WAS" and "he WAS great when he first joined" "gives it 100%" etc etc

Since when were football matches played in the past?? Incidentally when was the last time Dawson played well enough for you to turn round at the end of 90mins and say "Dawson played well today" ??? I can bet it hasn't been for over 18months.

The boy for one reason or another has become shit. Nothing short of useless. You saw how he gifted Boro 3 goals on the opening day, how he played statues when Ashley Young ran at him in the villa game..... (the list could go on and on and on)

Now I'm sure it has got something to do with being paired with lots of partners in defence, having Robbo behind him last year, etc etc.

BUT LETS FACE FACTS...... when was 'used to be' good enough?? How long can he constantly be allowed to cock things up, lose his man at corners, constantly try and concede penalties for shirt pulling, hit long balls up the pitch to no-one in particular??

YES, he was good when he first joined but he isn't anymore. How long will we carry passengers at Spurs?? I mean the guy even looked rubbish in pre-season against Norwich!!

I liked Daws when he first joined but the slump he has suffered over the last few months IMO has shown him to not be good enough. If spurs were and are ever to be serious about challenging for top honours Dawson and players like him must be culled.

Poshspur

You just hit the nail on the head.

"Dawson and players like him must be culled."

Bit harsh, can't we just sell them?

whereas of course ledley & woody were positioned perfectly for wisla's goal and numerous other balls over or through them. everybody makes mistakes. game time with woody or ledders will only improve his faults and his confidence. playing alongside zok,kaboul & gardener and infront of robbo would destroy anyone. give the lad a chance

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"Dawson and players like him must be culled."

Bit harsh, can't we just sell them?

How about a fate worse than death????????????


Sell him to Newcastle!

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This is what worries me:

1. players out of position. Modric at LW effectively. NO GOOD

2. no decent passing moves / retention of possession. Mainly because JJ, Lennon & Zakora are limited in passing and Modric was stuck out left & never got the ball.
...

I agree with a lot of what you have to say Devon'.

But lets have it straight on a couple of other points!

Dawson - A bloody good defender that was progressing well when partnered with King early in his Spurs career. The fans started getting on his back when King got...

Some common sense on Les at last. People seem to either conveniently forget how well he used to play, or just write him off. He's suffering from a worse lack of confidence than the rest of our team, and Woody can help to give it back.

As for the negative subs, it's a tricky one. Every...

It's a tricky one with the subs no doubt but it just seems to me that as soon as we take this defensive approach and try to lock up shop it spurs the other team on and invites pressure. We often end up camped in our own 18 yard box and get nervous.

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whereas of course ledley & woody were positioned perfectly for wisla's goal and numerous other balls over or through them. everybody makes mistakes. game time with woody or ledders will only improve his faults and his confidence. playing alongside zok,kaboul & gardener and infront of robbo would...

The boy is a waste of space! BAE and Dawson have to be 2 of the worst defenders we posess.

Dawson as Poshspur said only knows what he's doing when someone is shouting at him and telling him what to do. What is the point of having someone who cannot make their own mind up in defence??

Do you think King and Woody enjoy playing next to someone who they have to coach through games? Its bad enough they have their own performance to rely on without having to worry about Les too.

Incidentally, apply my "...... played well today" analogy to King and Woody. I'm sure we can all recall games that King and woody have had over the past 15games.

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whereas of course ledley & woody were positioned perfectly for wisla's goal and numerous other balls over or through them. everybody makes mistakes. game time with woody or ledders will only improve his faults and his confidence. playing alongside zok,kaboul & gardener and infront of robbo would...

I gotta agree. The amount of promising/good defenders that we have got through in recent years without ever having a settled rock solid back four speaks volumes about how much continuity has to play in player confidence. If we continue to ship out defenders like Dawson and Kaboul when they haven't had a decent run in the team we will never unearth another Ledley. If Judas hadn't left Ledly may not have had a sustained run in the team and we may never have had the fortune of seeing him in our backline! Dawson hasn't had the luxury of a sustained run.

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Poshspur

You just hit the nail on the head.

I tell you we have a couple of good/great Championship players in our squad. As much as I love the idea of him, if he were ever to fulfill his potential/punch his weight, Tom Huddlestone as a prem experiment should be over. He's a perfect example of Spurs problems, talented players underperforming, which is so much more irritating than just not being good enough!

Funny cos I remember him playing many games without Ledley, being completely dominant and many people calling for him to be player of the season.

I agree that there is much better out there, and it would be great to have it right now, but we haven't. We've got one fit world class, Woodgate. Apart from that there's Corluka, Les and Zakora - oh and Ledley, whose only got 1.998 legs the bit that's missing is in his knee and he's well out of sorts.

Dawsons an option we've going to have to persevere with, and I believe if the team gets confidence, and he gets some games and stability he pick it up again.

Has anyone noticed the Spurs disease?
1. Lennon can't cross, so we buy possibly the best crosser in the league (Bentley) who joins us and guess what? He can't cross!
2. We can't defend! We buy a top quality defender (Woody) and now he's starting to look ropey!
How long before Hutton goes gash, or Gomes starts putting weight on and getting beaten from 40 yards?

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Funny cos I remember him playing many games without Ledley, being completely dominant and many people calling for him to be player of the season.

I agree that there is much better out there, and it would be great to have it right now, but we haven't. We've got one fit world class,...

Dawson is a lost cause. The guy has hit the point in his career where he needs a change of scenery to help him try and 'pick up' his career.

At the same time it might help if he 'picked up' his man at corners, free kicks and crosses.

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whereas of course ledley & woody were positioned perfectly for wisla's goal and numerous other balls over or through them. everybody makes mistakes. game time with woody or ledders will only improve his faults and his confidence. playing alongside zok,kaboul & gardener and infront of robbo would...

I gotta agree. The amount of promising/good defenders that we have got through in recent years without ever having a settled rock solid back four speaks volumes about how much continuity has to play in player confidence. If we continue to ship out defenders like Dawson and Kaboul when they haven't...

Trust me, Ledley or Woodgate could hold Dawson's hand for seasons, but he aint going to EVER be unearthed as another Ledley!

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Has anyone noticed the Spurs disease?
1. Lennon can't cross, so we buy possibly the best crosser in the league (Bentley) who joins us and guess what? He can't cross!
2. We can't defend! We buy a top quality defender (Woody) and now he's starting to look ropey!
How long before...

And Ramos. Tactician Exemplar to Pictionarist.

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whereas of course ledley & woody were positioned perfectly for wisla's goal and numerous other balls over or through them. everybody makes mistakes. game time with woody or ledders will only improve his faults and his confidence. playing alongside zok,kaboul & gardener and infront of robbo would...

The boy is a waste of space! BAE and Dawson have to be 2 of the worst defenders we posess.

Dawson as Poshspur said only knows what he's doing when someone is shouting at him and telling him what to do. What is the point of having someone who cannot make their own mind up in defence??...

yesterday, from the looks passing between them, they weren't enjoying playing together. having said that they are both top quality cb's, no argument.
if it's not ledley's or woody's job to marshall the defence, whose is it?.
daws is not a top prem cb i agree but neither is he as bad as you say.
bae on the other hand is a large paper-weight.

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whereas of course ledley & woody were positioned perfectly for wisla's goal and numerous other balls over or through them. everybody makes mistakes. game time with woody or ledders will only improve his faults and his confidence. playing alongside zok,kaboul & gardener and infront of robbo would...

I gotta agree. The amount of promising/good defenders that we have got through in recent years without ever having a settled rock solid back four speaks volumes about how much continuity has to play in player confidence. If we continue to ship out defenders like Dawson and Kaboul when they haven't...

Trust me, Ledley or Woodgate could hold Dawson's hand for seasons, but he aint going to EVER be unearthed as another Ledley!

I don't think he'll be another Ledley either but sooner or later we will have to be patient with a defender or we will never have continuity and i'm dead sure that is preferable to chopping and changing every sodding game like we are at the mo!

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whereas of course ledley & woody were positioned perfectly for wisla's goal and numerous other balls over or through them. everybody makes mistakes. game time with woody or ledders will only improve his faults and his confidence. playing alongside zok,kaboul & gardener and infront of robbo would...

I gotta agree. The amount of promising/good defenders that we have got through in recent years without ever having a settled rock solid back four speaks volumes about how much continuity has to play in player confidence. If we continue to ship out defenders like Dawson and Kaboul when they haven't...

Trust me, Ledley or Woodgate could hold Dawson's hand for seasons, but he aint going to EVER be unearthed as another Ledley!

how many cb's in the prem were as good as ledley in his pomp, 5/6. comrarisons like that are unfair, daws is not our 1st choice cb.

*comparisons even

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whereas of course ledley & woody were positioned perfectly for wisla's goal and numerous other balls over or through them. everybody makes mistakes. game time with woody or ledders will only improve his faults and his confidence. playing alongside zok,kaboul & gardener and infront of robbo would...

I gotta agree. The amount of promising/good defenders that we have got through in recent years without ever having a settled rock solid back four speaks volumes about how much continuity has to play in player confidence. If we continue to ship out defenders like Dawson and Kaboul when they haven't...

Trust me, Ledley or Woodgate could hold Dawson's hand for seasons, but he aint going to EVER be unearthed as another Ledley!

how many cb's in the prem were as good as ledley in his pomp, 5/6. comrarisons like that are unfair, daws is not our 1st choice cb.

Dawson IMO shouldn't be 4th choice CB.

I'd rather see Zokora play there instead of him. Zokora can't pass or shoot, neither can Dawson. Zokora does - leg it about, close his man down and instils alot more confidence in me than les does.

In a perfect world and this bunch were 100% fit, this would be order of preference:

KING
WOODY
CORLUKA
ZOK
LES

I was just looking at the Hull website for the club's advice to its fans on how to get to White Hart Lane.

It doesn't recommended its fans arrive early to witness a cull of Spurs' central defenders, so Dawson will take heart. Nor does is suggest bringing chestnuts to accompany a Spurs roasting (so I take heart).

What deflates me is it only gives directions to White Hart Lane. It doesn't append 'for the match'. I infer this to mean they don't consider us a match.

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whereas of course ledley & woody were positioned perfectly for wisla's goal and numerous other balls over or through them. everybody makes mistakes. game time with woody or ledders will only improve his faults and his confidence. playing alongside zok,kaboul & gardener and infront of robbo would...

I gotta agree. The amount of promising/good defenders that we have got through in recent years without ever having a settled rock solid back four speaks volumes about how much continuity has to play in player confidence. If we continue to ship out defenders like Dawson and Kaboul when they haven't...

Trust me, Ledley or Woodgate could hold Dawson's hand for seasons, but he aint going to EVER be unearthed as another Ledley!

how many cb's in the prem were as good as ledley in his pomp, 5/6. comrarisons like that are unfair, daws is not our 1st choice cb.

I wasn't making the comparison, and apparently neither was Yidfield General! I was merely saying that we can save ourselves the loss of points that giving Daws an extended run in the side would surely result in.

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whereas of course ledley & woody were positioned perfectly for wisla's goal and numerous other balls over or through them. everybody makes mistakes. game time with woody or ledders will only improve his faults and his confidence. playing alongside zok,kaboul & gardener and infront of robbo would...

I gotta agree. The amount of promising/good defenders that we have got through in recent years without ever having a settled rock solid back four speaks volumes about how much continuity has to play in player confidence. If we continue to ship out defenders like Dawson and Kaboul when they haven't...

Trust me, Ledley or Woodgate could hold Dawson's hand for seasons, but he aint going to EVER be unearthed as another Ledley!

I don't think he'll be another Ledley either but sooner or later we will have to be patient with a defender or we will never have continuity and i'm dead sure that is preferable to chopping and changing every sodding game like we are at the mo!

I totally agree with not chopping and changing every game, with Dawson firmly glued to the sports seats.

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I was just looking at the Hull website for the club's advice to its fans on how to get to White Hart Lane.

It doesn't recommended its fans arrive early to witness a cull of Spurs' central defenders, so Dawson will take heart. Nor does is suggest bringing chestnuts to accompany a Spurs...

...Spurs roasting, now that's a half time show...I wouldn't want to see.

jamie,
we'll have to agree to disagree on this one mate since daws passing is streets ahead of zokora and as for positional sense, i don't want to go there. loose canon from loose city,looseland. i can't wait for hutton to return, since i'd like to see charlie get a run at cb.

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whereas of course ledley & woody were positioned perfectly for wisla's goal and numerous other balls over or through them. everybody makes mistakes. game time with woody or ledders will only improve his faults and his confidence. playing alongside zok,kaboul & gardener and infront of robbo would...

I gotta agree. The amount of promising/good defenders that we have got through in recent years without ever having a settled rock solid back four speaks volumes about how much continuity has to play in player confidence. If we continue to ship out defenders like Dawson and Kaboul when they haven't...

Trust me, Ledley or Woodgate could hold Dawson's hand for seasons, but he aint going to EVER be unearthed as another Ledley!

how many cb's in the prem were as good as ledley in his pomp, 5/6. comrarisons like that are unfair, daws is not our 1st choice cb.

No, in his pomp i'd say none.

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jamie,
we'll have to agree to disagree on this one mate since daws passing is streets ahead of zokora and as for positional sense, i don't want to go there. loose canon from loose city,looseland. i can't wait for hutton to return, since i'd like to see charlie get a run at cb.

Dawson instils fear, Zokora brings mayhem. they both have their drawbacks.

IMO i overlooked Gunter. I know he didn't set the world alight yesterday in Krakow but he's solid compared to Jelly Dawson.

A case could be for Gunter & Corluka to be back up RB's & CB's and Zokora can always deputise at RB.

I think Hutton's return will see Corluka playing CB with Woody.

This has nothing to do with anything, but i thought it was quite funny.

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jamie,
we'll have to agree to disagree on this one mate since daws passing is streets ahead of zokora and as for positional sense, i don't want to go there. loose canon from loose city,looseland. i can't wait for hutton to return, since i'd like to see charlie get a run at cb.

Dawson instils fear, Zokora brings mayhem. they both have their drawbacks.

IMO i overlooked Gunter. I know he didn't set the world alight yesterday in Krakow but he's solid compared to Jelly Dawson.

A case could be for Gunter & Corluka to be back up RB's & CB's and...

i only hope that we don't end up coating gunter in aspic.

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jamie,
we'll have to agree to disagree on this one mate since daws passing is streets ahead of zokora and as for positional sense, i don't want to go there. loose canon from loose city,looseland. i can't wait for hutton to return, since i'd like to see charlie get a run at cb.

Dawson instils fear, Zokora brings mayhem. they both have their drawbacks.

IMO i overlooked Gunter. I know he didn't set the world alight yesterday in Krakow but he's solid compared to Jelly Dawson.

A case could be for Gunter & Corluka to be back up RB's & CB's and...

I'm pretty sure that was the thinking behind signing Charlie. The fella is good on the ball and is primarily a CB but because of his natural abilities he tends to get played elswhere to cover for injuries etc. I just want to see some continuity for once and i'd be happy for Charlie to get a run at CB alongside Woody but will the ever chopping/changing Wendy give us that?

If only Led was fit enough to regularly play the Makelele role with Corluka and Woody CB's...
Oh well

we're not leaking shedloads of goals, it's more worrying that we're not scoring. when hutton returns, the balance in defence should improve alongside wingplay.

the midfield is a f*ckin' shambles and it's difficult to see where the balance is gonna come from though

Phil Brown said: "White Hart Lane is a ground steeped in football tradition, but hopefully we'll catch Tottenham at the right time."

Meaning: We don't give a monkey's for history. We're the future and Spurs are sh1t.

"They're not having the best of times in the league and there might be the opportunity for us to get something from the game."

Meaning: They're relegation fodder at the moment, and I reckon we should slaughter them.

"They are playing with a lack of confidence and the only way to stand up against that is to play the type of game we played against Arsenal – full of confidence, full of belief and buoyed by the fact we got a result last weekend."

Meaning: Jenas is awful and I looked like Eddie Izzard when I wore a goatee. Furthermore, Harry does a good rack of lamb.

Corluka for central defence and O'Hara to start. I believe we'll win.

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If only Led was fit enough to regularly play the Makelele role with Corluka and Woody CB's...
Oh well

i always thought he played well in that role for england, when the opportunity arose.

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If only Led was fit enough to regularly play the Makelele role with Corluka and Woody CB's...
Oh well

i always thought he played well in that role for england, when the opportunity arose.

How much better would you feel about the side if Led played that role with the smaller Modders types being creative off him, it would free them up more to go forward?

I can't believe this Dawson appreciation either.

Have you all noticed that our set piece defending is light years ahead of what it was last year, so long as Dawson isn't playing? When one of Dawson's major flaws as a player is letting his man score on set pieces.

Seriously...how many other teams have such huge liabilities on defending set pieces playing at CB?

I could almost live with his errors in the run of play if he would shore up his shoddy set piece defense to simply average.

Granted our set piece defense has improved with Gomes seemingly picking nearly every ball in sight out of the air, but even he can't stop free headers on every set piece.

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If only Led was fit enough to regularly play the Makelele role with Corluka and Woody CB's...
Oh well

i always thought he played well in that role for england, when the opportunity arose.

How much better would you feel about the side if Led played that role with the smaller Modders types being creative off him, it would free them up more to go forward?

yeah, thee balance is good, and confidence would improve.
who would you play on the wings and up front?.
i see it

gomes
hutton-charlie-woody-baler
ledley
lennon-modric-j2s
pav-fraizer

Exactly as you say, with the possible alternative of Gio or O'Hara for JJ, depending on how offensive we want to be. But Led gives you the option to have your lighter weight Gio's in...
Does anyone have a problem with this side, because it feels like a huge improvement to me?
That suddenly looks like a balanced side

Woody needs to play, he can rest during the two week break after Hull. It's not like Woody is going to get a game for England anyway.

I'd like to see:

Gomes
Gunter - Corluka - Woody - Bale
Zokora
Bentley Modric Dos Santos
Pav Bent

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Exactly as you say, with the possible alternative of Gio or O'Hara for JJ, depending on how offensive we want to be. But Led gives you the option to have your lighter weight Gio's in...
Does anyone have a problem with this side, because it feels like a huge improvement to me?
That...

i have johnny two-saints at left-mid so there's no room for jj. he's playing sh1te at the mo anyway. ledley's mobility is the only thing keeping us from 4th lol

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Woody needs to play, he can rest during the two week break after Hull. It's not like Woody is going to get a game for England anyway.

I'd like to see:

Gomes
Gunter - Corluka - Woody - Bale
Zokora
Bentley Modric Dos...

Yeah thanks for that mate?! Ignoring the fact we were saying Woody should play as CB and completely ignoring the King as Makelele role discussion!
Good work.

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Woody needs to play, he can rest during the two week break after Hull. It's not like Woody is going to get a game for England anyway.

I'd like to see:

Gomes
Gunter - Corluka - Woody - Bale
Zokora
Bentley Modric Dos...

Not to mention Zakora instead of King in that role, are you high?

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Woody needs to play, he can rest during the two week break after Hull. It's not like Woody is going to get a game for England anyway.

I'd like to see:

Gomes
Gunter - Corluka - Woody - Bale
Zokora
Bentley Modric Dos...

i see you're not convinced by gus's opinion about pav & bent playing together. i thought fraizer looked sharper against wislaw and deserves a spot.

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Exactly as you say, with the possible alternative of Gio or O'Hara for JJ, depending on how offensive we want to be. But Led gives you the option to have your lighter weight Gio's in...
Does anyone have a problem with this side, because it feels like a huge improvement to me?
That...

i have johnny two-saints at left-mid so there's no room for jj. he's playing sh1te at the mo anyway. ledley's mobility is the only thing keeping us from 4th lol

Sorry misread J2's as two J's = Jenas! The dyslexic pair of trousers!

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Woody needs to play, he can rest during the two week break after Hull. It's not like Woody is going to get a game for England anyway.

I'd like to see:

Gomes
Gunter - Corluka - Woody - Bale
Zokora
Bentley Modric Dos...

Yeah thanks for that mate?! Ignoring the fact we were saying Woody should play as CB and completely ignoring the King as Makelele role discussion!
Good work.

King can barely run, now you want him to be a DM??? He's spent after 60-70 mins at CB. I don't see it happening at DM.

What exactly our the other options besides Zokora? Ohara maybe? But I want someone who will defend and let Modric push up the pitch and attack.

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Woody needs to play, he can rest during the two week break after Hull. It's not like Woody is going to get a game for England anyway.

I'd like to see:

Gomes
Gunter - Corluka - Woody - Bale
Zokora
Bentley Modric Dos...

i see you're not convinced by gus's opinion about pav & bent playing together. i thought fraizer looked sharper against wislaw and deserves a spot.

I'd have no issue with Frazier getting a game, but we need Bent to start putting something in the back of the net.

Why not let him get a one against Hull, before the long break? No need to bench the confidence out of him more than we already have.

It's not Bent's (or Pav's or Campbell's) fault for not scoring when there is no service.

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Woody needs to play, he can rest during the two week break after Hull. It's not like Woody is going to get a game for England anyway.

I'd like to see:

Gomes
Gunter - Corluka - Woody - Bale
Zokora
Bentley Modric Dos...

Yeah thanks for that mate?! Ignoring the fact we were saying Woody should play as CB and completely ignoring the King as Makelele role discussion!
Good work.

King can barely run, now you want him to be a DM??? He's spent after 60-70 mins at CB. I don't see it happening at DM.

What exactly our the other options besides Zokora? Ohara maybe? But I want someone who will defend and let Modric push up the pitch and attack.

we were dreaming a little mate. you'll see we had hutton in there as well.

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Woody needs to play, he can rest during the two week break after Hull. It's not like Woody is going to get a game for England anyway.

I'd like to see:

Gomes
Gunter - Corluka - Woody - Bale
Zokora
Bentley Modric Dos...

Yeah thanks for that mate?! Ignoring the fact we were saying Woody should play as CB and completely ignoring the King as Makelele role discussion!
Good work.

King can barely run, now you want him to be a DM??? He's spent after 60-70 mins at CB. I don't see it happening at DM.

What exactly our the other options besides Zokora? Ohara maybe? But I want someone who will defend and let Modric push up the pitch and attack.

Precisely why I started this by saying it such a f8cker that Led isn't fit enough to play the Makelele role as I think it'd work like a bastard. O'hara over Zakora for me...

Just figured you were making a best 11 when everyone is healthy...resume the dreaming, I'm going to put my top 4 pajamas on and dream a bit myself.

when hutton and ledley are both fit, perhaps charlie will play the dm role. then o'hara dm when ledleys out with charlie at cb.

Ohara over Zakora? Did you see how close he came to hitting the net yesterday? He's DUE!

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Woody needs to play, he can rest during the two week break after Hull. It's not like Woody is going to get a game for England anyway.

I'd like to see:

Gomes
Gunter - Corluka - Woody - Bale
Zokora
Bentley Modric Dos...

i see you're not convinced by gus's opinion about pav & bent playing together. i thought fraizer looked sharper against wislaw and deserves a spot.

I'd have no issue with Frazier getting a game, but we need Bent to start putting something in the back of the net.

Why not let him get a one against Hull, before the long break? No need to bench the confidence out of him more than we already have.

It's not Bent's (or Pav's...

i agree, but when the forwards are living on scraps the best scrounger should get a game. imho that's fraizer. so it's pav or bent for the other place. bent worked hard in kracow, pav is fresh so i'd start him.

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Ohara over Zakora? Did you see how close he came to hitting the net yesterday? He's DUE!

as i've said before, he's like a vasectomy patients wank, loads of excitement & then it all ends in a puff of air!!.

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Woody needs to play, he can rest during the two week break after Hull. It's not like Woody is going to get a game for England anyway.

I'd like to see:

Gomes
Gunter - Corluka - Woody - Bale
Zokora
Bentley Modric Dos...

i see you're not convinced by gus's opinion about pav & bent playing together. i thought fraizer looked sharper against wislaw and deserves a spot.

I'd have no issue with Frazier getting a game, but we need Bent to start putting something in the back of the net.

Why not let him get a one against Hull, before the long break? No need to bench the confidence out of him more than we already have.

It's not Bent's (or Pav's...

Bent for 1st coice all the way with one other. The problem is the midfield not the strikers. Bent has proven himself at every level and has a good goals per start average in the prem (better than a lot of other expensive strikers) and that is including a season where he was fourth choice for us yet his head didn't drop. No complaining to the press pack he just got on with it and waited for his chance to shine. Bloody unlucky that we are not giving him any sort of service at the moment but I still think he looks sharp and he needs the midfield to help him out a bit. They need to start cracking some shots at goal, playing some through balls on the deck and delivering better crosses. Without the midfield bucking their ideas up we could have Greaves and Lineker up front and still struggle! (Clearly I mean Greaves and Lineker in their pomp!)

fatnacker I would have no issue with giving Campbell a game, he's looked good in the limited time he's been giving.

I guess I'd rather see the long runs that result in nothing, than the sideways/backwards Ohara has been displaying.

Both of these are really toss ups for me.

Would have been great had Hudd seized his potential and developed into the DM we need. I'd say all we have to do is wait until January for one, but we've been lacking a DM for this long, there is no guarantee of that happening.

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Reply to knocsucow00:

Woody needs to play, he can rest during the two week break after Hull. It's not like Woody is going to get a game for England anyway.

I'd like to see:

Gomes
Gunter - Corluka - Woody - Bale
Zokora
Bentley Modric Dos...

i see you're not convinced by gus's opinion about pav & bent playing together. i thought fraizer looked sharper against wislaw and deserves a spot.

I'd have no issue with Frazier getting a game, but we need Bent to start putting something in the back of the net.

Why not let him get a one against Hull, before the long break? No need to bench the confidence out of him more than we already have.

It's not Bent's (or Pav's...

Bent for 1st coice all the way with one other. The problem is the midfield not the strikers. Bent has proven himself at every level and has a good goals per start average in the prem (better than a lot of other expensive strikers) and that is including a season where he was fourth choice for us yet...

Well said.

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fatnacker I would have no issue with giving Campbell a game, he's looked good in the limited time he's been giving.

I guess I'd rather see the long runs that result in nothing, than the sideways/backwards Ohara has been displaying.

Both of these are really toss ups for...

oh sh*t the pajamas are on. we're all f*cking dreaming now

I think we should try 3-5-2 or 3-4-1-2 formation against Hull.

Gomes
Charlie Woody Bale
Gio Zok Mr.T Lennon
-----Modric-----
Pavlo Campbell


Give Modric a free role in the middle then we will see the real Modric that we all know.

And Zok and Mr.T should just concentrate to help and protect the defense because IMO our main problem is not the defense but the lack of protection to our defense from midfield.

I think many people forget that 'centre back' is not one position but two and the blend is the important thing. There are different types of CB, Juda and Rio for example in England shirts, Judas went for the ball Rio waited and swept: that same issues was apparent too with Terry and Rio.

Dawson played well with a fit King and shone as King struggled; he made up the gap. He does not blend as well with Woodgate and is not so experienced that he can be the lead CB and marshall the defence. Maybe Jamiespurs is right and its time for him to move to refresh his career. Woodgate however shines now because HE's making up the gap.

Like strike partnerships its the sum of the parts that counts and that's not easily quantifiable, its almost like saying, that dark haired man likes blondes and that blonde woman likes dark haired men, they must be the perfect match, let's marry them off. What a suprise when they do not make a good couple!

Why do we do nothing with these prospects to turn them into anything? We have spent millions on bright young things and shipped them out with every click of the turnstile that is the managers door. We buy up someone, plonk them into the first team squad and meanwhile ship out some of the best reserve squad players in the country. What the hell is the point of either buying emerging talent or developing academy players just to piss that talent up the wall?

I agree with 9_17 that blaming sundry individuals, (though I believe the club has only gone backwards as a footballing entity under Comolli as DoF) will not do anything other than paper over the cracks. We have many problems still to address, tho' some like the treatment table, do appear to have been resolved at least for now.

Sadley I think King's back legs have gone and cameos do not let the team settle; I await to see Corluka played as other than a utility defender.

Best eleven for Hull Juande, this might be our most important game of the season!

perfect for walking on the side of hills