The Vulgarities Of Money...
Tuesday, 21 July 09, 02:19 AM · Comments (317)
The Tottenham Hotspur Negotiating Team Toast Another Triumph
So the all too familiar refrains of the same naffing melody we've all heard a millions times over can be heard wafting from the boardroom window at Real Madrid.
"Only one formal offer exists for Huntelaar. That is Stuttgart's." So said sporting director Jorge Valdano.
Often I take the rise out of people's names on here. But what a name to conjour, eh? Jorge Valdano. Picture a movie like the Eiger Sanction. Old Clint needs to be wiped out. The silhouetted figure of Dragon casts his disembodied voice down the phone, 'Would you get me, Jorge Valdano.....'
Anywho...
What are we playing at? An unsubstantiated tale was doing the rounds that we had put a bid in but it was rejected on the grounds it was derisory. Now, if one is to believe Citizen Valdano, we didn't actually ask Huntelaar out, more enquire if she was doing anything nice this weekend?
It's my belief that if a bid of any description had been placed then Madrid would use mention of it to encourage a counter from us against the more favourable German one.
Our success in negotiating for these players lies in our own hands. Not in those of agents or other clubs. What is required is some balls and a desire to see the job through. Sure, no Club cannot legislate for media speculation losingthe run of it's self, but are we in for someone or not? He who hesitates...
I can't predict the future, but I can see Peter Crouch far happier to team up with Defoe again than I can see the more asthetically pleasing Huntelaar wanting to join a currently second string club like Spurs.
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'ARRY BUY SOMEONE.......NOT CROUCH!!!
He who hesitates...procrastinates?
guys from what I hear the nex couple of weeks we will see some movements! the inside word is that villa 'think' jenas can replace barry and although AY is irreplaceable to them he really likes the idea of joining Tottenham and moving to London as we realistically have a stronger squad than them to push for top 4. a deal for jj plus cash is currently at 60%... believe it or not up to you lads! As for crouchy... it's not good news lads we are waiting on Klass, Negredo (yes we are 'arry is lyin') and also enquired about Chamckh... his our last option so he jus waiting for us to say yes and he be at WHL quicker than you can refresh newsnow
Crouchie wouldbe a good signing, we'd have two strikers at the world cup then as well, go on crouchie !!!!!
What worries me is that I've heard 'Arry say 3 or 4 times that he's not worried if we don't do any deals as he's happy with the squad we had last year.
Also, I think it is Champion's League transfer deadline day this Friday so the Huntelaar deal to Stuttgart will need to be done by then for them. We need to up our bid pretty quick if there is any truth in our interest.
The Valdano quote is an old quote. He said it about a week ago, they are just re-using it. Still don't think he will be joining though. Crouch is a lot more likely
How dare you say second string?
But if we tune it just right, the the result will be melodious.
If anything, we're G-string. If it gets any worse, we'll be pulled deep into the cack
Sadly your'e right, I'm getting pissed off with this lack of ambition, someone please tell Harry we are not Southampton, Portsmouth, or West Ham, get out there and buy some bloody class for crying out loud.
Reply to truefella:
Villa also like Hutton.
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Jenas + Hutton + £12m for Young?
Crouch would not be the worst buy but in the same breath, far from the best.
crouch should not even be considered as the last resort ffs.
Reply to truefella:
wow, its almost as if you read the spurs community ITK page and newsnow and cobbled together a quickly madeup mishmash of everything you could find there.
I have no reason to doubt you are telling the truth.
Do you know what number Young will be having? Is the medical on Thursday?
Fuck some foreign twat who's only stopping over for one season untill he gets his 'dream' move. Get Crouchy in, he's a fucking Yiddo
So......
I think its fair to say the Huntelaar is 'available' at the right price.
And yet we are dicking about.
Same old story.
Reply to truefella:
Are you related to Keith ?
If we sign Crouch, I propose we immediately make moves to get Harry out the door.
If his idea of '3 players' needed was two championship rightbacks and a circus freak, then he best start running now because I cant be held responsible for my actions in the face of such provocation.
Harry,
You say the success of negotiating these transfers lies in our own hands. You also mention that we are a second rate club.
As such I'd have to disagree with you, it is in the hands of the players and other more attractive clubs. If a CL club (albeit in a poorer league) come in it would come as no suprise that a decent player would want to go there. The only way it would be in our hands is if we get taken over by Oman City's biggest oil rivals. Even if we offer silly wages I can't see how anyone worth their salt is going to believe we've got a plan to be biggest and best. With City all players know their the richest club. So not only do they throw cash about like confetti in terms of wages players know there will be more quality players coming in and more cash splashed. Not convinced we could sell that plan unless Joe Lewis comes out in the paper saying he's chucking a shit load of cash at Arry to compete (which he would have done by now).
Oh well lets pray for oil, black gold that is, Texas tea!
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Reply to Blog-Head:
he's also fcking mediocre at best. Is that what you seriously want for this club???
Reply to Blog-Head:
he's a QPR fan
I think we are short of spondoolies and Danny boy has told Arry to sell before he can buy but of course Danny wants top dollar for our cast offs and other clubs don't want to play ball.
Huntelaar is unproven in the premiership and would be a massive gamble. I wouldn't touch him, Real Madrid wouldn't waste a talent for a measly 12m.
I quite like Crouch and at least he has a good relationship (footballing obviously though if anything else transpires, you heard it here first - eugh, what a thought - 12 foot giraffe with a diddy man)
Anyway, they have a good footballing relationship, both like Harry and are both Yiddos. He would be my number one striker choice (actually that's quite sad isn't it)
ffs arry/levy, get the deal done, stop pissing about jenas+hutton plus cash for young, and, 18m for huntelaar
It matters to us, we pay the wages remember, we have to watch this lot, home and away, shelling out money left right n center.....we deserve this, so get the job done.
Reply to jolsgonemental:
maybe we've spoke to his agent, who may have said "Spurs, fuck that! Are you aving a larf!!!! Your lot are not even in the Europa league, he'd rather go to Fulham!"
or other such words!
Reply to onedavemackay:
We would have to be, What was spent in January? The young story wont go away, but £12 million plus Hutton and Jenas no thanks
Crouch is well underated, people who think he's shit know nothing about football
I'm telling you what I know believe it or not up to you geez, that's why i never bother on these sites i dont need to argue my point - i didnt mention no medical nor did i post a "appiah is a yid" style claim. jus thought i share my knowledge with my yiddos which at the moments is still loads of ifs and buts. its all a stack of dominos at the moment and one transfer will trigger others such as if Klaas goes Stuttgart. we could believe it or not start the season how we ended... with the exception of good ol' Didier
Reply to Trembly:
What is it we want.....average crap, or world class.....think about it
Reply to Ginge1:
as such it may not matter how much we offer him.
The words Cloth, cut and accordingly spring to mind.
As much as I'd like to see Robben or RVN in a Spurs shirt I think we're being a bit optamistic about the pull of our club at the mo. Wages may be an issue, the fact we are a mid table club going nowhere fast might also have something to do with it.
This could be why we've seen no action, Arry says only 3 top quality signings. We've been to the top table and been told to fuck off.
No signings or average signings?
World beaters are not coming, end of, stop deluding yourselves.
Sad but true.
Reply to Nick_The_Greek:
have to agree with you there greeky.
Reply to Trembly:
GET REAL, WHAT IS IT WE WANT, AN AVERAGE CARTHORSE.....OR A WORLD CLASS PLAYER......THINK ABOUT IT
Reply to truefella:
yet you are on here arguing your point
Reply to Blog-Head:
Underated he may be, but still mediocre at best, and that's not good enough.
Reply to Bushey:
world class
your a player what do you want average crap or world class, think about it (just to help you we are the average crap in that second scenario)
Reply to Bushey:
Are you talking to me? Why are we even in the market for crap at all?
Fight. Fight. Fight.
I'm taking 2 to 1 on Trembly whacking Bushey over the head with a wet kipper
So reports from the Mirror say the KJH deal has hit a snag. Jorge Valdano says we have made an offical bid.
Yeah, I'd say not making a bid would be considered a 'snag' in any move!
FFS Levy waht are you doing?
* have NOT made a bid...(beg pardon)
Messi and Xavi aren't coming lads, look at all the top leagues, the teams at the top of those leagues. Right, they have the best players clubs who battle relegation and finish 8th do not. If you are world class why are you going to come to Spurs.
Barry is meant to be a Yid and he didn't want to know why is Carlos kickaball going to want to come.
I mentioned in a post a few weeks ago how I'd come back from Turkey and you saw Chavski, Manure, Bindippers, Woolwich towels / gear etc. To the rest of Europe we are nowhere, our glory days our forgotten to all apart from us Spurs fans. The days of young dutch lads watching Glenn and Chris are gone. They've all grown up watching other teams or seen a clip of Justin Edinburgh and Dean Austin
Reply to JohnnyB:
Levy is at present polishing his head, dappering his tie and practicing that slightly scary smile of his in the mirror.
He is going through his lines ready for the day's business.
"Schwell Mr Crutch, we'd weally like to take you up the Lane"
hey boys,
have you realised that as the petrol pump prices increase you are giving City more money to pay Terry`s wages.
Reply to Ginge1:
Give it a rest Ginge1, we aren't asking for Messi or Xavi, why the fuck would Huntelaar want to go to Stuttgart? 4 or 5 games in the CL then nothing.
Of course it's a fucking gamble. Do we want a chance at the top 4 or are we going to sit down with our thumbs up our arses content with being midtable?
Im not the biggest fan of crouch but i think we have to think what's good for the team. We all know Crouch and Defoe was leathal for Portsmouth and with Modric and Lennon suppling better service it could be a decent buy! For too many years we have bought individuals and not players who ultimatly are better for the team!
Reply to Ginge1:
you might not want crouch ...but he is proven premier league goalscorer! How many false dawns with strikers do we need.....Rebrov...Iversen...Bent .....Pav .....!! i for one am fed up spending top dollar for players that cant cut it! They struggle then we get on there backs !
Do i think Klass can cut it...Yes! But equally im more confident that crouch can...and at less money!
Id be happier with Crouch and defoe up top....with Lennon pinging them from the right and AY ( or another left footer ) from the left ! You know it makes sense!
We are all very quick to demand millions are spent! We have spent 100m + in the last season! and that hasnt exactly made the team better....its just been a Knee jerk reaction to keep us happy..not get the right players in the right positions!
Im backing Arry.... dont say..."Your desperate to get players in" cos thats just gonna cost us much xtra dollar when we go calling! this is why he is and has been a wheeler dealer! you dont walk into a car showroom and say " Im desperate to have this motor! "
Just my opinion...i know its tough seeing that skysports news column on the right get to "tottenham players in -- NONE " but lets see what happens! You gotta get behind him!
COYS!
We need to sign a left winger, of that there can be no doubt. With this in mind, if there's any chance what so ever of Ashley Young coming, be it for cash, JJ, Bentley or Bent we should move heaven and earth for him. Add to that a striker to hopefully replace Bent and I think the first team's pretty tip top...playing with any combination of strikers, as their all pretty damn good, the back four and midfield would be thus:
Charlie, Leds, Woody, Baler (good season this year!)
Lennon, Wilson, Luka, LEFT WINGER
Top team, top team.
We could do wit another right back or 7!!! What has happened to DelBoy? Well, He is about to a Rodney Trotter look-a-like in crouchy!
Reply to spuddie:
How very dare you. He is no relation of mine. Humph!
I will list a list of players and give my verdict. After all my opinion is the one that counts most around here
Hutton: Piss off you workshy father fighting non-defending defender you. - Get to Villa. Quickly now, the window is closing.
Jenas: Piss off you headless chicken promising and nigh on nearly always failing to deliver bastard. I'm sick of you. Get to Villa. Or Inter. Or Scunthorpe. Anywhere. I'm tired of waiting for you to do something positive for our club. How about you take the "wee man" above wi' ya and head to Aston? Take this wheelbarrow stuffed full of lolly with you, deliver it to Randy Lerner and send Ashley the other way, there's a dear.
Kyles: Welcome. Especially you Mr. Naughton. That right back spot is yours, once we rid ourselves of the Buckfast drinking one. As for Pascal... he can go again, so we can bring him back next Jan.
Crouch: How does it feel to be admired and hated in equal measure? You must've had it all your life. See, I neither hate you, or like you. Yes you are awkward. Are you our first choice? Please, you're not in the England squad because you score more goals than Darren Bent, you're in it cos you're awkward. You play a role in that team. So you'll be doing more of the same for us. 28 yrs old. Shit "investment" potential. Levy must like Harry if he's signing off on this one. Or rather - no one else will join us, at least not on our terms. You do realise we're waiting to be rejected by others, before accepting you? And you in turn are waiting for us to accept you before you in turn reject the others? And you are hoping we take you, some 8 years after we ditched you for £60k. Is that about a week's wages to you?
Huntelaar: Are you the next Alfonso Alves? Probably. Go to Stuttgart.
Negredo: Are you a better goalscorer than Crouch? Probably. Hmmm. We have got Darren Bent after all. Not sure if we really need you. I'd pad out my goalscoring ratio and take pens as well if I thought it'd make me look good.
Reply to Ginge1:
I think you are going to extremes to try and get your point across.
yes everyone gets it, we cant get the messi's and the ronaldos of this world. Thanks for the newsflash.
But we can get the modrics, Berbatovs and Huntelaars of this world if we act decisively.
The fact that we arent the glory boys of past is even more reason why we should bite the fucking bullet whenever these chances present themselves. We could have been starting this season with Arshavin and Huntelaar if we had shown a little bit of ambition.
Instead we have 8 right backs.
Reply to onedavemackay:
That's about the gist of it. We've got more than enough average players to flog that would fund the 3 positions we need.
Levy will make sure he gets top dollar for them, but like last season, it'll be too late to buy anyone decent.
Next season is a great chance to push on from where we left off, but if we don't get the players that'll make a difference, the season after will see City odds on for at least 4th place, and the likes of Modric, Lennon and Palacios looking to jump ship.
Time to cut our losses and get busy.
Swissospur have you lost your marbles?
Crouch better than Pav or Bent in the Prem? At GOALSCORING?
You are fooling yourself.
His goalscoring record is so impressive FOR ENGLAND because he likes to score the odd brace against teams like ANDORRA!! Those bastions of international football.
Don't tell me he is a proven premiership goalscorer like the other two aren't. Cos that is just bollocks. Plain and simple bollocks.
Ginge I think you should go on valium. You have already got us in a relegation fight. Try and be a little more positive.
Swissospurs thank goodness for a little common sense. The team needs to blend together, there is no I in team as manchester kippers will find out. Pay lots and get no return. I didnt see a lot for last years spending.
Keep the faith.
Reply to DVC:
A good team is built around good players. Crouch does not fit in that category. If we continually build around mediocre, then thats all we'll be.
They don't have to be big name marquee signings like a Hunter, but they do have to be good c.f Wilson.
Firstly I appreciate that there is a value to money of itself and that optimising the deal in terms of cahflow and cost will get a better result moneywise, but ultimately value is another thing. If we hamstring ourselves by imposing restraints in the construction of a deal by adding buying/selling chains forward or back then forget about value. If we want to but a player I doubt very much we'd not be able to raise the money even for a short term loan before offing a couple of other players. Sure Harry might have to sell but making one contingent on the other is certifiable!
Secondly, totally agree with Jolsgonemental, why are we dicking about? In the big scheme of things a million or two or the cost of payment terms is small potatoes, especially when you see the money wasted on half-arsed purchases by the previous regime. It might be a good deal to boast about at the Golders Green Mason's Lodge, but deal seems to be of more imnportance here that the reason for doing it that's assuming we are doing it which apparently we are not!
Thirdly, Ginge1 we've not been to top table it appears, we are never going to get anyone without asking and quite clearly Huntlaar IS avilable as he was this time last year when again no-one asked. We can get players but we will not compete if we tie our own feet together. The Goons have just got some pocket money and don't believe Fergie.
As for unproved in the EPL, well they all are, but the Dutch and Germans do seem to be able to adapt to the British game better than some........Audere est Facere Harry.
Reply to MysteriousStranger:
I don't want Crouch, but he scored double the amount Pav did in the PL - a grand total of 10.
I think I know what this is, knowing that Open All Hours Arkwright is a personal hero of Daniel Levy's.
Tax.
New tax laws were passed this year which mean new lads donning the lilywhite will have to factor the 50% tax hike into their contracts. Which they won't. Any decent agent will say; 'This is what we want net. You pay the tax.'
This is the first window we haven't been sticking it all about like a sailor on shore leave. Coincidence?
The wage cap needs to be ousted, but I can't see it happening now. And until it does, who will we be competing with out there in the market?
Reply to TMWNN:
LOL
Nicely skewed
All competitions last year:
Crouch - 41 Games Played Goals scored: 16
Pav - 32 Games Played Goals scored: 14
But one thing is for sure. 10 goals for a "proven premiership striker" a first choice one at that, does not cut the mustard IMO
crouch will add no tangible benefit to our current squad, just like these chumpionship rightbacks will add no tangible improvement to our squad.
but we are to spend 20m on this worst case scenario.
Reply to MysteriousStranger:
would I be right in saying the stats make Bent look like a world beater?!
Do we actually need a new striker or is the priority a left sided player, or an abrasive midfielder???
Full season of Defoe, Pav and Keane, should score big?
Bent on the other hand needs replacing. I've never thought once "We can win this now", when he trots on as sub.
If Crotch comes in would Pav get games other than Ccup?
"There are mooooooooooore questions than answers"!
can't understand the the hatred/dislike of crouch
he is by no means world class ...but who do we have that is ? Modric maybe and perhaps woodgate
Huntelaar would imo end up one of two ways... a success which would see him nabbed by one of the top 4 ! or a flop which would mean once again we have wasted money !
crouch on the other hand represents fairly good value for money at 12 mil (especialy if Diomansy Kamara costs 7.5 and bobby Zommorra 5 mil )
and also don't see him as mercenry or particuly motivated by £'s (hence spurs redknap/defoe link up his prefered option)
the FM09 manager in me would prefer Huntelaar....but am a realist and think crouch would offer more stability and value for money leaving us hopefully with a bigger pot of money to chase Ashley Young or similar top notch winger !
i for one like and trust harry totally .... but do agree that we need to get a leftie in rather than just buying every available right back !
COYS!! great blog harry also !
another thought/question. Beckham from Peckham might rather like to join us with the flying lamp post to aim at?
Just a thought/question.
Reply to TMWNN:
why would he want to come to us, 0 or 0 games in the CL. What exactly do we have to offer a top player? that's my point. As fans we seem to be assuming that players want to come to us. Why would they? when was the last time we did anything of note?
So we're in for Dabo, maybe?
I thought Miriam's best days were behind her.
Reply to jolsgonemental:
could we, was Smoothbum not fucking us about waiting for someone else (the Goons) to come in?
As for Huntelar, unsure of what to think of him, a big lump of a striker who has no pace and is not great in the air, but is meant to be a quality finisher. He can go in the Kuyt, Kezman, Alves bracket just as easily as the Bergkamp or RVN bracket, for £18m + smashing our wage structure - I've got to be honest I'm unsure. I'm also far from convinced anyone with a shout of CL will go to them rather than us (City being the exception to the rule for obvious reasons)
Do we break the bank for a lad who hasn't cut it anywhere but the Dutch league?
We got Modric and Berbatoss i'll give you that, we have shown we can get class. However I was under the impression that was more to do with the big clubs being unsure how they'd fair for the money being asked.
Also Berbatoss used us as a stepping stone, only in it for himself and not a long term answer to our problems.
Any news on Appiah?
It's looking like we are gonna spend another summer of wishes unfulfilled... We have a number of promising youngsters in our squad, players of a high calibre being wasted... Yet our only tangible targets are young championship players of a position where we are already handsomely stocked.
Hutton and Charlie are both excellent right backs. J2S, if one watches Mexico, looks an awesome attacking threat. Taarabt has skill in spades, and Bentley CAN be an excellent option on the right. Bale, as i like to repeat ad nauseum, is a fantastic attacking LB/LW, capable of blossoming into one of the Premiership's best players if given the chance.
If we need strengthening anywhere it is on the left flank for we haven't had a genuine left winger since Ginola as i recall. Consecutive managers, and Damien Comolli, have ignored this gaping hole in our squad for too long now. It would be nice to do a deal for Huntelaar,or another such quality striker, but the priority should be a lefty- NOT another 'marquee' signing up front.
Break the bank Harry and get in either Young or Robben. I understand the wisdom of being cagey in a sellers market created by Man City's millions, as another poster noted earlier... you don't walk into the show room with a huge wad of cash sticking out of your back pocket drooling in desperation if you want a good deal. BUT... you do make an offer if you want to purchase something.
Stuttgart have done the negotiating for us with Huntelaar. A bid of 18 million has been accepted. If we want him then we now know the price. If we don't... Then get on the left wing issue asap. We have been unhinged and unbalanced for too long!
Reply to MysteriousStranger:
Therein lies the problem.
Unlike Huntelaar, Crouch isn't an out and out goal scorer, and as such shouldn't be judged on goals alone. I still don't want him at Spurs though.
If Huntelaar were to sign we'd still need a player up front that can and isn't afraid to challenge in the air, but one that can also hold up play and use the ball (scoring ability would of course also be welcome).
For me, Crouch isn't that player, and only slight upgrade in those areas than what we have already.
If there is any possibility that Huntelaar is available, I'd sell Pav, Bent and PSB to fund that deal plus the target man we require anyway.
There's enough dead wood left over to fund the two midfield positions as well.
A gamble? Yes, but we're the club that went to Buenos Aires and bought back Ossie and Ricky.
Audere est Facere
Reply to Poshspur:
I think Arry came in and has gone about trying to bolster the balance of the squad as much as the quality. None of our strikers can head the ball or hold it up that well. As such this is why we are rumoured to be after a load of big strikers (Crouch, Jones, Huntelar etc). I honestly don't see Defoe & Huntelar as a great combination, Huntelar has no pace, isn't great at holding the ball up and is average at best in the air (he's not troubling PL CB's), he's an out and out finisher. In my eyes Defoe is the same, doesn't offer that much to the team but will get on the end of things in the box, score goals.
The best forward lines have players who compliment each other, hence why PSB / JD or JD / DB don't seem to work that well together.
Arry obviously likes to have a target man in his team, we don't have one. We don't have anyone I'd be happy at leading the line in a 4-5-1. Bent is about the best we've got for that formation which hardly fills me the confidence. As such it limits our approach, I'm not that in to playing 4-5-1 but can see the merits of it in certain games or at certain points in games.
Harry here is something for you, last week at Woodbury Park golf club, just before the Exeter game. The groundsman was marking out the pitch, and there was Ashley Young and wait for it Tim Cahill to talk to old Harry. hope it all works out Cahill would be a steal.
Reply to Mark:
Sadly it appears he can't attract class. With regards to Huntelaar I'd just like to say 'Kezman'. It's all well and good scoring lots of goals in the Dutch league but that doesn't mean you're up to prem standard. I not not saying he won't eventually be any good but going back to what the ginger twitcher said that he only wanted established players not if's and maybe's. And rather than waste loads of money on people like crouch surely someone like Miroslav Klose would be worth a punt. Yes I know he's 31 but he wouldn't cost as much, plus he guarantees goals.
Reply to TMWNN:
I'd rather have Robben if we're going to break the bank.
Huntelar (according to reports) would need to be paid £120k pw to match his current salary. According to a pissed Ledders he's on £80k which is half as much again.
Is he worth it?
Have any of our players got clauses in their contract saying they must be top earner at the club or within a certain %? I don't know, I do however know that many clubs have these clauses in the contracts of their top players.
JD, PSB, Woody, Modders, King????? plus potentially others? so on top of the £120k pw for Hunts we then have to increase their salries (possibly) giving is an increae of £200k PER WEEK!!!! This could work out to cost us £10m a season. Not chump change, not sure I'd gamble that on a Dutch Shaun Goater!
What if he's shit? A flat track bully? the Graham Hick of football?
Robben is proven in the PL if we're going gamble our future rather go for someone we know cuts the mustard in our league
Reply to Ginge1:
Edinburgh and Austin
, See things aren't that bad right now
Reply to Ginge1:
fckn ell. You really have been taking the downers. You weren't joking about the dar side.
What do we have to offer? Premier League football prior to a world cup. Following that, premier league football as a stepping stone to a bigger (CL) club.
Footballers are after money. Prestige of a big club is good as well. Medals are a bonus.
We still have something to offer no matter how bleak you pain the picture.
Reply to Poshspur:
olivia was wonder(years)full
Robben is an injury prone cheat, he can go and fuck himself.
Reply to TMWNN:
and just about as good a left winger as there is (apart from maybe Ribbery). I agree with most of your comments though, I'd still have him at the lane in a shot!
Reply to TMWNN:
I agree... I would struggle watching Robben dive and cheat week in week out!! It was embarassing watching him do it in a chelski shirt let alone my beloved Lillywhite ( And yellow ) ;-)
Reply to mjd1:
Agree but I don't think Couch should be a first choice striker. He's someone who adds something different notably in getting on the end of crosses
& getting goals to overcome stubborn defences of the average brigade who so often succeed against us by parking the bus in front of goal and getting goals against us on the break.I see him linking up well with Bentley & Thudd if we keep them as well as acting as a foil for Defoe or Keane.Getting Crouch doesn't mean not getting Huntlaar but I tend to agree with Ginge I about him.I think Pav could do a lot better this season and should be given the chance.
Also agree with Vincezo about Young ( why was he too expensive for us at £8m when he left watford ??)tho not so sure about Robben.Our main chance here is MON seems to fancy a few of our players but if JJ goes then we'll need soemone else in central midfield.
To answer the original question- there's no point throwing silly money around unless we're sure the players are worth it.Hence 'Arry in February saying we needed at least 3 players to challenge the top 4 & more recently saying if we can't get them we'll make do with what we've got. At a guess I'd say Muntari was the first target we missed and Huntlaar is likely to be the second with possibly Young the 3rd.So that leaves us with options of bringing on youngsters like Rose, Taraabt, Dos Santos etc or anyone else who addds avlue like Crouch.
Reply to davspures:
I am becoming more impressed with davspures
Reply to Trembly:
IF U AIM LOW U SCORE LOW, THATS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN CARTHORSE CROUCH AND WORLD CLASS HUNTELAAR
Reply to Bushey:
Why do you keep shouting at Trembly?
I think you are agreeing with him.
Reply to Ginge1:
So Huntelaar is getting £120k a week.
Is Robben being paid in clogs or what?
Reply to Bushey:
can you read? have a look at the thread and ffs turn off the caps lock or i'll smack you with a wet kipper
No way! If you aim low its likely to go in. Aim high and the keeper will tip it over.
If you look purely at league games last year, the best bet for a goalscorer is Negredo over Huntelaar & Crouch.
Negredo 24 years old - 19 goals (same as Henry, more than Kanoute) in 35 games (subbed off once), 8 yellows, 2 reds.
Huntelaar 26 years old - 8 goals in 22 games (subbed off 9 times), 3 yellows, 1 red.
Crouch 28 years old - 10 goals in 38 games (subbed off once), 3 yellows, no reds.
Stats can be mde to show anything I know, but goals per game ratio is much better than the other two. He is younger, played for a team who were inferior to Real Madrid and, presumably, whose service to the striker was inferior as well. He definitely puts himself about more than Huntelaar & Crouch.
If Negredo was happy to go on loan to Almeria, one would assume he would be happy to join us. He's not going to get many games for Real if he stays there.
Huntelaar appears to be dragging his heels about joining us.
I assume Crouch would jump at the chance (if he can get more than 6" off the ground) of rejoining us & working with 'Arry again.
It's Negrdo all the way for me please, even though 'Arry knows nothing about it.
Reply to fatfish:
Not sure that Huntelaar is dragging his heels over joining us... i don't think we've pulled the finger and made a bid yet, unfortunately.
Having said that, i do agree that Negredo is an interesting option at the very least.
Yes Negredo is an interesting option.
But it's like one of those tricky decisions you have to make when playing Connect 4 against the clock
Reply to jolsgonemental:
Bruce has pulled out of trying to sign Crouch... LINK
Better round up the troops JGM.
Fulham is our only hope.
Reply to TMWNN:
G'on peter. You know a player of your ahem...calibre needs Europ(a)
I hear what is being said about Negredo's scoring record for a poor team, but it reads much like Darren Bents which for Charlton was 68games & 32 goals. Very impressive 'statistic' but apart from being able to put the ball in teh net reasonably frequently he is complete pants.
Negredo is potentially a super player.......... Huntelaar already is.
And seems Sunderland have pulled out of the race for Crouch, leaving us in a 'two-way battle' with the might of Fulham.
Reply to db1:
i hope your wrong but fear you maybe right about our main targets being Muntari , Young and Huntelaar as i feel they are all out of reach financialy .
i get the feeling young is the only one who genuinely would like to join us at the lane ....but can't see MON getting rid even if we offer a great price or exchange deal !
personally would like to see us give Bentley another season and def agree we should be looking to blood the likes of GDS , Rose and bostock ETC as we have let to many young tallents stall at our club recently .
comon harry deliver us a signing (prefrably not another right back )
Alrite lads, I'm a villa fan here. Today we got linked with Alan Hutton and Jenas just wondering what you boys thought of them? Heard Alan Huttons got a bit of a attitude problem and Jenas inconsistency is plain for all to see! You boys provide any further insight?
I have a nasty little theory.
I hope its wrong.
In Oct '07 Jol was cruelly disposed of for not having 'ambition' after saying he didn't think we were ready yet to challenge the top 4.
Ramos was brought in as the man to take us to the next level and a budget was released to achieve it.
When this plan failed Redknapp was hired to save us from relegation but top 4 was no longer a 'strategic aim'.
This would explain a budget for the 09/10 season being aimed at staying up and no more.
My apologies to anyone who may have already made this conjecture.
Reply to TMWNN:
That's cos Crouch has snubbed him -- England striker Peter Crouch has snubbed a move to Sunderland, manager Steve Bruce has confirmed.
Something about be too cold and wet up North.
Reply to mikey18:
No - looks like you've got it all.
Hi everybody
All this snubbing can't be good for Harry's morale! I think we should just brace ourselves for the inevitable last minute signing of Crouchy.
If Huntelaar doesn't WANT to play for us then we shouldn't bother chasing after him IMO.
Reply to mikey18:
Hutton is an exceptional talent, but due to injuries and the form of Corluka his chances with Spurs have been limited. I'd be very loathed to lose him, especially to a rival for the top 6 like ourselves.
You can take Jenas though. Marmite, enigma, c*nt - just some of the descriptive words used repeatedly when describing the boy. He will have flashes of brilliance, but not enough of them. Maybe in his older years he will get better and much more focused, but at the minute he swans around a football pitch not really doing that much.
You can have him and Bentley for that wee gem Young you have. Would you be happy with that sort of deal? Would Villa fans accept Youngs departure for those two, or which of Hutton, Jenas, Bentley, Huddlestone, Bent and Keane would you take in exchange for Young???
Reply to fatfish:
As I surmised earlier, I feel the need to reply.
You and I have done a disservice to Crouch, in that he did score 11 league goals last year. Having inspected the figures again I also gave him credit for scoring 16 from 41 starts (all competitions earlier). It was in fact 16 from 48! In fact he recorded 3 braces, two of those in the UEFA Cup, one notably an extra time brace. He recorded an astonishing 4 goals in 2009 from 21 appearances - all starting. In 18 of those starts he didn't score.
And Negredo did pad out his stats somewhat by taking the pens for Almeria. 4 goals last season were from the spot. He also scored a fair number of goals with his head. Which is all well and good, as long as there is some good crossing.
But I don't disagree as such. If the club are hellbent on buying a striker I'd take Negredo over the rest of them.
Unfortunately at the time of typing this I brong news that Crouch has rejected Sunderland, favouring a move to a south based club.
or bring
Reply to steve1987:
This is good news people. Not because we will be getting Crouch, which isnt all bad. But it brings Darren Bents move to the Stadium of Light all the more likely
Reply to RJ1882:
Why the adamant nature that Huntelaar is already super? Real Madrid clearly disagree. I have already stated Madridistas did not warm to him, after his many simple misses early on at the club.
So that leaves him as a prolific goalscorer in the Eredivisie. Which is tantamount to being prolific in the Championship.
Reply to RJ1882:
If i may stick my oar in here too...
Tell you what, you pick your favourite combination of two of those players and say 5 million sterling (sound fair?) and take the idea back to the villa boards and get the weight of the villain community behind the idea...
Long shot, but if M'oN hears shot of it...
In all seriousness, Hutton is a really good player. Watched him playing for Rangers (my second team) and was excited by him. With Charlie playing so well (and with us having a plethora of options in that position) i can see value in a deal for us in any case. Jenas/Huddlestone are the kind of players i fear would bite us on the arse if we sold them, finallyrealising potential elsewhere. BUT, i've waited too long for both of them to develop so take em away!
I believe in Angels
Reply to steve1987:
Hutton on the pitch, good going forward, slightly suspect defensively.
Jenas on the pitch, shouldn't be.
Reply to parklanejane:
Brace yourself for the imminent and shamelessly flirtatious behaviour from the likes of Double Vision.
Be strong.
Reply to fatfish:
Accurate.
I need not add more to that. I would perhaps delete the word "slightly" from your entire post.
Actually we need to get rid of JJ. Ahem... he's brilliant, lightning quick, sharp as a razor, makes incisive passes etc.
Reply to MysteriousStranger:
Gentlemen prefer brongs.
More wise words re: Huntelaar. "The Hunter". "The C.." oh you see where I might be going with this.
Reply to mikey18:
hi mate ,
although definately considered marmite amongst spurs fans i've allways liked jenas (he's just fucking frustrating) on his day he's as good as most top european midfielders (barr Gerrard , Lampard ETC) just his inconsistency that grates most .
do think he's got a fairly good attitude ....just needs a bit more aggression/competetiveness !
hutton on the other hand i do like as a player but feel he detracts from lennons game as he comes marauding forward all the time .
i don't feel that his heart is totally with spurs and he beat up his dad in bar (lack of respect) ..although don't know specifics .
on the whole two pretty decent players but feel it would have to be both + about 12 million to even get MON to consider letting us have young .
how do most Villa fans feel about Downing ??
cos most spuds were dead against us signing him !
Reply to MysteriousStranger:
Maybe not super, thats maybe going too far. I dont think he's getting bombed out of Madrid for being a bad player. If rumour is to be believed Madrid will be getting rid of Van Der Vaart, Robben, Huntelaar, Negredo . . . plus one or two more. None of those are bad players, infact, I'd imagine they are all top of the range players.
But Huntelaar has done it on a more consistant level and on a bigger stage with Holland. Huntelaar would be a statement of intent, to the premiership and across Europe. Negredo would be a Pavs type signing. highly rated, potential but unproven.
We've signed relative 'risks' in Bent & Pavs, Postiga & Rebrov and have got little or no return. Negredo has the potential to join this group, whereas I think Huntelaar could be closer to the Klinsmann, Sherringham, Defoe? group.
Only my opinion though. Huntelaat would hav eme excited. Negredo would have me nervous, anxious and pessimistic.
Reply to fatfish:
My missus is brong
As if by magic...
Christ DV! It was as if you were just waiting to pounce.
Back in Prague I take it?
Reply to parklanejane:
You can't come on here with a photo like that and expect not to be chased. You might feel the need to snub some unwanted attention, but don't 'Crouch' out about it when it does come. Look at poor Sandy, she's got a better chance of scoring with her head than Bent, Arry said so.
Just because someone is proving to be a challenge, having more attractive suitors, doesn't mean you can't win them over with a wink and smile. I've never had that problem with the ladies of course, but can understand how a fugly might win them over. It happens on occasion so don't be surprised if we do pull.
is she Chinese?
The Jenas deal seems to carry more weight for me, MoN likes to take these sort of players and develop them. Barry was very Average before O'Neil, as was Young, Milner, Luke Young, Laursen. From what i hear Jenas works hard and has a good attitude which is what MoN likes!
Hutton on the other hand seems abit of a cunt and we got a good dressing room, also L.Young is a hero at the villa. I think we were linked with Jenas for 10mil and i'd bite your hand off at that in the current market.
Ashley Young ent for sale boys, MoN values him at 30mil and like he valued barry at 18mil last season and 12mil this season, Valuation must be met for him to go. Even if it was i don't think we'd sell him. 30mil is abit steep.
We are also gettin linked with Bent, but from this thread seems u boys hate him? i don't understand he scored 12 goals for you and didn't even start? probably your best striker? In all honesty
I'd take Woodgate, Lennon and 5mil for young...take it or leave it. I rate Downing, he was keeping Ashley Young out the England team, all the england managers have loved him. we got him for 10mil which is a good bit of business, he was linked with liverpool for 18mil in jan! I think we will do good for us. A lot of fans are grumbling but a lot are happy. Its Milner all over again..he come in was abit pricey but came good think we got a couple of goals and 9 assits!
DV, ahem .... would you be interested in coming to look at my pork scratchings?
I heard you invite them all to munch on a veggie meal in Barca?
Any news on any fucking signings, I am getting fed up now
Reply to Finn:
My point is why are we blaming Levy or Arry for 'Dicking about'. How do you know we didn't ask about Huntelar, Real said he's for sale, we speak to his agent who says "Spurs!!!! fuck right off"
And so now we are all on here lambasting a process that nobody on here (apart from Keith) has a fucking clue about!!!!
Reading back over a lot of these comments its like your all ITK's!!!
Reply to TMWNN:
Robben is proven class at every club he's been at he's done the business. By all accounts he was Real's biggest threat last year. Huntelar they think is a cart horse who isn't worth breaking the bank over.
A slower Dirk Kuyt is not my idea of a sound investment at £120k pw + £18m fee.
no signings as yet
Nasri has broken his leg though . . .
every cloud
Make sure you don't wake the wee lads nanny when you pick him up.
Oh, and go easy on the jelly and ice cream.
Reply to MysteriousStranger:
You got it in one and half the people on here would like us to mortgage the clubs future on him!!!!!
Reply to Ginge1:
Or two-thirds of its future on Crouch?????
I would rather take a slight punt on a player like Huntelaar who didnt fail in Spain (contrary to some stat peddlers). Don't forget we sold Berbatoss for 30 million and haven't adequately replaced him yet. If we sold Bent for a little less than the current asking price, and factored in zokora's wages and fee with Bent's... There isn't a huge shortfall there to make up on Huntelaar's weekly packet. Didn't we release Rocha too? Bet he was on a few bob a week...
Reply to RJ1882:
Have you seen who he's scored against? a bunch of rag tag 2nd rate european teams (Austria, Macedonia, Eire, Austria, Ukraine) and the top notch Tunisiansand, Aussies.
I'm sold that's Proven................
That he's the Dutch Peter Crouch!
Bargain!
Reply to Ginge1:
...and you wonder why we're second rate.
I think the anti-depressants are much needed for some.
Reply to vincenzo_spur:
Yes but my earlier point is that at a lot of clubs (don't know about spurs) the top players have clauses saying they have to be the top earner or within a certain % of the top earner.
As such it may not be just one £120k pw it might be increasing five or six others by £40k pw. This then screws the clubs finances.
It's not as simple as A+B=C there are other considerations that people don't know about.
Reply to TMWNN:
cos we sell our best players, oust our best manager for years amongst other things. Not buying strikers who we gamble our futures on. How much did we pay Berba when we bought him £40k pw, gamble but worth a punt along with his £10m or so fee. As such a three year deal costs us £16m.
Huntelar potentially at £18m + £120k pw (?) we'd have him over longer than three years to stop him walking out after two, but he'd cost us nearly £37m. Not taking into account all the other pay rises we give our other top players who start whinging about being under paid. Say another £10m per year.
All speculation but I'm sure you get the point, it could cost us £67m to sign him over three years! What is our history of signing hot shot strikers from Europe?
They are all either absolute wank or leave after two years.
Lets gamble!
Reply to Ginge1:
Fair point, but we know not for sure which of these exist.
I'm not going to do down Crouch because i would prefer Huntelaar. Equally, its churlish to suggest that players like Huntelaar are somehow second rate by massaging stats and figures to suit an argument.
What seems to be happening here today is a number of fans are coming down heavily in either Crouch or Huntelaar's favour, and not being objective in their analysis of what either would bring to the club. They are both good players, and only one of them is what you might call a 'marquee' signing. Whatever the strengths and weaknesses of each option, or whether a marquee big time charlie as even a good thing, lets remember that the cause of all this deliberation is the fact that we are yet to sign ANYONE
I for one would greet with a smile the signing of Crouch- if only because it put an end to the Hunt dreams. Having said that, i'd be delirious with over-optimistic excitement if the (not so) flying Dutchman signed.
Just throw me a frigging bone oneway or another...
Let us all realise. Those who hate the thought, those who like it - CROUCH will be at Spurs next season.
It is written in blood. Nothing will prevent it. Nothing can stop this many limbed stick of rolled up paper from wearing our white shirt
He want's to come. Harry wants him. Defoe wants him.
Why are you bamboozling me with all these made up figures?
Stop it! I've got a headache.
Fuck Negrado, he's wank.
Crouch is the realistic option. Huntelaar wont sign, and if he has a great season he'll end up at Man City on £200.000 grand a week. Lets build a team, a british team with a british manager and then we'll have an Identity. Then lets all have a load of drinks, troop down to the Emirates, and piss on the walls
Nice work Blog-head, i'm into that idea in a big way...
Reply to Sid_Trotter:
What if we stand shoulder to shoulder at the gates of WHL, each man armed with 2 cans of insect repellent?
Depressing as it seems, I think you are spot on.
its not too late to follow Peter Crouch around for the day with a loud speaker telling him to stay the fuck away from Spurs.
Though I do believe that moron redknapp has him marked as our top target.
redknapp and levy really are a couple of prize cunts.
we need arabs. now.
Reply to TMWNN:
If we stood shoulder to shoulder, nay on each others shoulders, we'd still be looking up to look down on him
Reply to vincenzo_spur:
I want us to sign Kenny Jones in a swap with Bent but hey ho, I like my front men to have pace.
A basic rule of thumb I use is, are they slower than me? If they are bin them off, so that's no thanks to Klaus and Peter from me!
are you suggesting Bent is better than Berbatoss?
I cant say I have ever held any value to your opinions which I find largely bollocks, but you are surpassing yourself here.
Reply to Blog-Head:
I'm in! (can we shit on them as well or am I just being vulgar?)
jolsgonemental, you're a fool if you think we should do what City have done. Where's your pride man?
Reply to TMWNN:
What made up figures?
Ginge1 is, or at least was in the banking sector), so I assume he's done the maths (and I daresay a lot better than his (likely indirect) superiors. And he has considered the ramifications of paying a La Liga flop £120k a week.
And my figures re: Negredo/Crouch's domestic goal tallies in post 97, are accurate.
You just want Huntelaar, don't you? That's what this is about
Reply to Blog-Head:
oh yes the huge pride i feel that we are owned by an investment company and aim for midtable mediocrity.
yes man city fan you may well win be competing against real, barca etc in the champions league soon, but I am proud to support a club that is run by an investment company in a sensible and profitable manner.
Reply to jolsgonemental:
It's one thing having talent, it's entirely another matter if the talent in question is not applied.
Ladies and Gentlemen, it gives me no pleasure to introduce to you the 2007-08 incarnation of... "Dimitar Berbatov".
The guy was a cunt. Don't forget how he shit on us from the highest height, even before he left.
Give me someone who wants to try over someone who thinks he's better than and doesn't have to.
Reply to Sid_Trotter:
We must do something.
The locked gates alone are no use: He'll either stroll clean through between the bars; limbo underneath or just nonchalantly step over them.
Reply to MysteriousStranger:
I mean cad (sorry ODM)
Jolsgonementals a blatant gooner
I pretty sure you said we would end up in Europe DV, not near.
That Portsmouth game you talk about, I was there and saw one of the worst (if not the worst) misses I've ever witnessed.
Guess who missed it?
Reply to MysteriousStranger:
its amazing what an unemployed banker can do with a calculator!
Reply to MysteriousStranger:
I reckon most Utd fans would swap Bent for Berbadross!
Reply to TMWNN:
sandra?
Good morning everyone.
Nothing?
Again?
Balls.
Reply to Ginge1:
Diana Ross would have scored it, let alone Sandra.
what about this lad?
LINK
Reply to TMWNN:
how funny was that Diana Ross penalty! forgot about that one, didn't the goal blow up in anticipation of the ball hitting the back of the net, that never happened!
Class
Reply to jolsgonemental:
Spot on assessment of our status unfortunately, I would love to sit in on Levy's board meetings to understand exactly what the club's strategy is to achieve their objective i.e. top 4 & champions league.
What would they do if they actually got there? Mind boggles - we wouldn't be hard to catch for the teams behind us with the current squad
They will want to sell up if they get us there so they may as well sell up now and cut the crap. Let someone with some real ambition take the club forward. Levy should stay on as a front man though
Reply to Ginge1:
Yeah, from the spot with no keeper, she put it wide; the goal split in two as if hit by a Bobby Charlton rocket.
Best bit of USA 94 by far.
Reply to Ginge1:
We blame Levy and Harry because they are the people to blame, its part of their job description: make the decisions - take the blame. Of course they also get the credit for the decisions too if they go well.
Clearly Huntlaar's agent has not said "fuck off" because a) he's an agent and will follow the strongest scent of money and b) because we are not a joke and do have a case to put. We are a upper 2nd tier EPL team with a number of ranked international players. We are a team that can play a good forward consistently and there are few above us throughout Europe (taking into account relative degrees of seniority in the various Leagues) that can offer that: most teams on a higher peg, will require a fair amount of bench time from their forwards.
Our conjecture, analysis, opinion, etc is something shed and shared on this type of blog to keep sane and exchange ideas with like minded and unlike minded, bouncing stuff around. No-one's In The Know, everyones speculating and piecing together the grains of information that get bled to us plebs, shit if I actually knew stuff like that, I'd be down straight down the bookies!
Now Ginge1, maybe you've had a rough day, but really mate, you sure seem to have a pretty low opinion of the club. I think you'll find that we can put a very good case together, but we do also need to make a bid if we are to get anyone.
By the way I thought Huntlaar's money was nearer 60-70K.......... 120K euros maybe?
Reply to SeattleSpursGuy:
no signings yet mate, but stick around, its just about to kick off with DoubleVision and TMWNN.
Reply to TMWNN:
Trembly, my apologies to you.....not having a go, just want arry/levy to do something, without crouch in mind
Reply to JoeyDeacon:
Right on time then
Reply to Trembly:
Ah the wet kipper one, those were the days lol
they should be going all out to get Huntelaar.......not waisting time and energy on crouch
Reply to JoeyDeacon:
No, just a good bit of banter to pass the day more quickly, besides, he loves me really; have you not noticed the kisses?
No fickleness from me DV. I rate Bent, Pav and PSB all equally.
All three nowhere near good enough, although Pav might come good after this magic rest, eh?
Reply to TMWNN:
don't get me wrong. i'm all for a bit of banter. But can we change the subject from Darren sodding Bent !
how about "My dad's bigger than your dad" !!
Ner ner nerner ner !
Reply to Finn:
Well, according to a recent article on guillembalague.com :
Huntelaar's NET salary is either
€3,500,000 (€67,307.69 pw NET)
or €2,500,000 (€48,076.92 pw NET)
Given the high (50%) tax band he would surely be on, and the relatively poor exchange rate £1 = €1.157 -
We would probably have to pay him around gross £120k pw to get in the region of the first quote, or in excess of £85k pw to be in the realms of the second. Oh, the value of a Dutch Eredivisie behemoth/La Liga flop.
Tax is everything. It's take home pay that counts. Ask Arshavin.
Reply to JoeyDeacon:
You're right and I apologise.
He started it though.
Reply to JoeyDeacon:
LINK
Reply to MysteriousStranger:
Reply to JoeyDeacon:
LINK
Do you think this worked this time?
Reply to TMWNN:
i don't care who started. i'll bloody finish it. NOW GET TO YOUR ROOM !!
Reply to fatfish:
Fatfish
PMSL, spot on mate
The Spanish newspaper AS has just published pictures of Miguel Pardeza, Levy, Redknapp, Hunterlaar, Robben and their agents dining out in Madrid!
LINK
From COYS:just saw some info on SC re Beckham. Done deal apparently (love that phrase)
Edited to FTL
Reply to TMWNN:
And take that smile of your bloody face
Reply to May Dyaluk:
can you adjust the link so we can see the pics ?
i don't understand Dutch !
hope your right !
I think Harry might get his scouts checking out our game against Barca. I here they have a guy called Messi or something that would be worth a punt.
Reply to mjd1:
I suspect there are no pics.
Translating the "Dutch", there is an article suggesting that Huntelaar will probably be joining Stuttgart, but is currently thrashing out a settlement with Madrid, no doubt to compensate his dwindling salary. Another source suggests his NET salary at Madrid was €4,000,000, whilst Stuttgart are preparing to pay him €4,000,000 before tax. The delay is due to the compensation issue.
Don't bite.
Reply to Randlator:
we'd only end up loaning him to ipswich !!
From a Fulham ITK, on SC ITK.
Crouch to Spurs £11.8m 4yr deal.
& Hoofharted says a bid for one of our strikers coming in from Harrods.
Bent, back to bite our arses?
I agree, when Bent is one on one with the keeper he keeps his cool and nearly always slots it home. The rest of his game is just not up to it. We can't rely on the perfect slide rule pass for him to run onto in every game.
PSB might come good again, but I think the bin dipping fiasco has scarred him.
If we don't sell Pav, like you, I'd give him until Christmas.
I also agree about the supply. Lennon had a good season last year, but I'm still not sure he can kick a ball with any accuracy. There was nothing from the left, so we've been relying on Modric, Jenas and the full backs far too heavily.
Reply to Finn:
Bent scores goals but most are tap-ins and he offers little else...decent striker that doesn't suit our style.
Keane has been superb for us in recent years. His loss of form last season may well be a sign of his decline but is likely to be a tempary......class is permanent and all that!
Pav has not done a great deal to impress anyone at WHL but lets see what a rest and 1 years experience does for him.
All this criticism of Harry & Levy is all a bit premature. We need a bit of tinkering, and I honestly do not see us buying or needing to buy someone who will walk straight in to the first XI. Quality cover, depth and options is what we need unless we ship out some big players that need replacing.
There is no point Harry blowing what will be a smaller than usual war chest on over priced players in an inflated market. Very few others are doing so, especially our contemparies, Villa & Everton and even the big boys have barely moved in the market. Its only Man City that have done anything major so lets not start criticising too soon. there are no glaring holes in our team/squad so lets not waste money like we have in the past!
Reply to mjd1:
that's spanish
Reply to vincenzo_spur:
No wonder he can't understand it, then.
Why is everyone assuming that Huntelaar would be on the same wages at Spurs as he is at Real? If you're deemed not good enough for one of the biggest clubs in the world, should you expect to continue to be paid like you're still there?
For an example close to home, is Chris Gunter getting the same wages at Forest as he was for us? Doubt it.
I would think that we'd offer Huntelaar the max (or close to it) under our current wage structure. If he wants more, he can ask Real for it. Sounds like Stuttgart has adopted the same posture, which is entirely sensible.
I believe my own eyes thank you.
Anyway, no more about Bent - hopefully Sunderland will buy him now they've dropped their interest in Crouch and that'll be the end of it.
On this Bent debate, I'm on the fence with it. I think the guy is a quality finisher (barring a couple shockers last season), but I think his work rate and determination is sub-par.
The thing that lowered my opinion of him most of all last season was the lack lustre effort he put in when getting his call up for England and being subbed on. I was disgusted with the slow movement and lack of interest.
Reply to TMWNN:
good boy . . . play nice
Reply to TMWNN:
will we get more for Bent than we pay for Crouch?
Now that would be good business. Sunderland had offered 14 large hadn't they?
my thoughts on Bent are that if he has to think about it, even for a second, he screws it up.
When the odds are stacked against, he still...no that's harsh, he got a good one against Chelski and has ability.
His confidence is shot in a Spurs shirt so let him go...
The confidence of sportsmen is so fragile. We get Huntelaar or Crouch and they miss the first few chances and they'll go too. Still rather have them though!
and a kit kat
Reply to Poshspur:
I'd fucking hope so.
Bent is 25 yrs old. Crouch is 28. One has a decent future. One is rapidly approaching his "sell by date".
At around £12 million for Crouch there is little sell on value to be had once we are done with him. You can kiss goodbye to that money right there. By selling Bent for a loss, you are also kissing goodbye to another couple of million.
If we do indeed buy the lanky streak, our transfer dealings concerning Crouch will go down in history as being an incredible waste of money. Find me another club that has sold a player for less than £100k and bought him back for £10 million plus. The mind boggles.
Reply to Finn:
The £120k would give him the net equivalent to what he's on at Real (see Smoothbums moaning in the press re high taxes!)
I do think we've something to offer, but at best we are 5th biggest draw in this country. On top of that a lot of Dutch players go to Germany, Stuggart along with Bayern, Bremen, Hanburg or one or two others would have a decent shout at winning the league and challenging for the knock out stages of the CL.
Your not telling me there is a single Spurs fan who things we'll win the league? top 4? very unlikely at the mo.
As such we can offer the following
a. English sunshine!
b. London - a big city!!!!
c. A small ground, but one that's full every week
d. Chance of a Carling cup win
e. Chance of a Europa league place
f. Potential to be sold to Man U if you do well
g. Average wages (for a big club)
I would walk over hot coals for Spurs, but I'm pretty sure a Dutch lad is going to see it as above.
Have I missed anything? Not trying to be too bleak, just saying it as I see it without my lilywhite specs on.
Harsh but fair me thinks!
Reply to MysteriousStranger:
I just posted something similar (but without the workings out
)
Have a habit of reading so far down then replying!
Reply to Trembly:
Reply to Blog-Head:
Don't be daft!
Reply to Longwell:
agree. He's being demoted - his pay will reflect that.
However, by simply moving to England from Spain the higher taxes he will be paying will already vastley reduce his nett pay. So a further reduction in his gross will drastically reduce his take home pay. Another obstacle in our way.
I dont know why so many people are bashing him. He is reknowned as one of Europes best strikers, top 10% anyway - why slate him? Fucking Pavs got more respect and all he had done was score against England.
Reply to RJ1882:
Huntelar has scored against who? Croatia in a friendly is the top intl. goal
He is the fastest Dutchman to 100 goals in the Erividese (?) since.....................
Dirk 'stick at right midfield' Kuyt!
Saying that I'd still love it if we signed him, although I reckon he's off to Stuggart. If we do get him he'll be the new Postiga!
Reply to Ginge1:
oh and Pav's scored against England twice, as well as Spain and Holland (& Sweden). The Huntelar record worries me, flat track bully!
This should cheer everyone up, Crouch is supposed to have signed £12 million on a 4year deal
Ugh. Lineker. That Spurs team was horrid
Is Dazza Bent a veggie or one of your clients? I'm all for sticking to your principals but its almost like 'the man doth protest too much!'
Hope the move went well DV
Reply to Nick_The_Greek:
Any reliable sources, or ITKs or anything to base this on.
I dont know why I am doubting it, its a forgone conclusion.
And i hope we dont live to regret not getting Huntelaar. If he signs for Chelski or the Arse and proves himself to be a world beater I'd be very disappointed.
Nicked stats off COYS - Crouch and Defoe scoring record at Pompey:
Games Together = 17
Goals Between each other = 14
Defoe = 7
Crouch = 7
Not bad...?
(Apologies if any repetition of previous posts)
Reply to zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz:
Its excellent, and if we got that sort of return from them next season we'd be doing very well. However, at Pompey they were first choice. We also have Keane and Pavs who both look to be staying, so anyone trying to get a partnership struck up is going to find it difficult.
Good o have a bit of height up there though to look after those umpa lumpa's Modders, JD and Azza
Reply to RJ1882:
See my post at 192. Only Fulham ITK & SC ITK.
no posts in 14 minutes - is there a new story???
Can anyone confirm that Sunderland offered 14 million for Benty and we turned it down ?
Reply to onedavemackay:
DV was asked to handle negotiations on Spurs' behalf!
Think everyone is over-reacting a little, the kind of players some of your are talking about will not sign for us until we achieve CL football. Man City are now odds on to pick off that coveted 4th spot, leaving us to fight for 5th and 6th place and Europa spot. We stuffed our chances of getting 'class' players the season we missed out on 4th to the Gooners by 1 point, if we had qualified then we would of been able to attract better players, and build on from there - however we didn't ! Can't see us doing it now unless one of Man U, Liverpool, chelsea and Man C have a bad season. Pavluchenko will be ok 14 goals in his debut season after playing a full russian season before joining us, I think he did quite well, judge him after this season, sell Bent,(he was our top scorer last season but at least 5 of them were flukes, going in off his arse or other appendages) - bring in Crouch - Defoe and crouch pairing, Keane and Pav the other pairing - I'd be quite happy with that.
Reply to onedavemackay:
He is better than crouch.
if we acceptd it that means crouchs coming.
no fucking way. disgusting.
Photo on COYS of the new Spurs jersey with Naughton 16 on the back. Apparently from a worker in the club.
He must be signed, or its a very good photoshop, but why waste your time over such a small signing. If it was Huntelaar 9 I'd question it
Pav on his way to the Arse-holes
LINK
Apparently.
Reply to SeattleSpursGuy:
Thats got to be cod-shit....
and its the Daily Mail, what is it with them, did we kill Diana or something?
Reply to onedavemackay:
£ 30 Million and not a penny less
An update for those interested (and apologies to those who are not), Sounders take on Houston tonight in the semis of the U.S. Open Cup (the FA Cup for the states). Should Sounders FC win, the lads will face the winner of D.C. United and USL-1 Rochester for the Open Cup title. Seattle would either host Rochester on September 1, or play at D.C. United on September 2.
Seattle now has four players on the MLS All-Star team. Fredy Montero and Jhon Kennedy Hurtado have been added to the roster. They join Keller and the Spammer.
COYS & COYSS!
Reply to Blog-Head:
yes
Reply to mcspurs99:
Dont talk shite everyone knows it was Phil the Greek
Reply to zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz:
It is no good how you dress it up, Crouch`s boat just will not look right in a Spurs shirt
Reply to SeattleSpursGuy:
If that happens, along with signing Crouch...
Oh seriously, FFS!
I'm gonna have to change my username to Redknappsgonemental, or Levysgonemental
Reply to Nick_The_Greek:
It never did. At least, I assume that's why we sold him for £60k. £60 fucking k.
I'm with Ginge. It's all doom and gloom.
The OS lists Thudd as the only sub today. Iron Man Football!
Thudd should come in as the OS also has us playing with 10 men.
Ok, breathe. It's not true. It's a bad dream. Please tell me it's a bad dream. At least a bullshit rumour.
Somehow out of all the rumours and conjecture I am buying all of this as "most likely to happen". Buying Crouch is bad enough in my book. You think Arshavin is saying "Please Arsene, not Roman, he is, we have a saying in Russia... shit!"?
Reply to MysteriousStranger:
Hush now, It'll be alright.
anyone got a stream of tonights game sorry if already posted?
All I have found is the matchtracker on the OS.LINK
Bent scores again. Seems eerily like last preseason!
34.23: GOAL - SPURS. Jenas released Bent on goal, right of centre, carried ball into the box and slotted past Lewis into the corner from 16 yards. Martin O'Neill leaps in the air shouting 'I want them both. And Hudd. And £10m.'
Fckn Luca seriously past it Toni. This transfer window just keeps getting better and better
Reply to Trembly:
Next we'll be in for Dean Windass.
Reply to BruceCastle:
I'm fully aware of Barrens deficiencies, but I'd rather have him than Crouch or Luca Toni.
Lookslike Huntelaar is defo off to the krauts...
LINK
Reply to BruceCastle:
If we were to purely go for a physically imposing ball winner that's not a big name, then why not Kevin Davies from Bolton. He's the closest thing to an Alan elbows Shearer in the prem now the cartoon army have been regulated.
Some things just seriously get on my moobs!!! 
Fck me! Wishful thinking at the start had me hoping for RvN. then news came that he was available. And now we're debating Crouch and Toni
Surely a more likely version of events involved a crossfield ball which ricocheted off a stray greyhound from the dog stadium which had run onto the pitch before the ball settled in the back of the onion bag, having come off Bent's right testicle, turned in from all of 1.6 yds?! I'm pretty sure the consensus view is he's shit. Therefore I am telling the story to fit the perception.
I'm hating this window.
Reply to mcspurs99:
£6m are they avin a larf! £6m + Clichy and I'd think about it!
Reply to Crazy Kraznic:
Oh yeah, that's a definite alright ...sigh I can see him in the shirt and waving a stuttgart scarf in the photo, can't you?
There's nothing new whatsoever in this article except someone else's speculation which mirrors what we've been seeing for over a week. Bugger all.
Reply to Ginge1:
Ow about La Sagna? We're short of a right back. Anyway, Azza's got clichy's number on the pitch
Reply to MysteriousStranger:
I'd like him to score some outright intentional goals and celebrate like it means something. Not a weak arsed smile and jog, show some fckn passion you cad.
Reply to Trembly:
Quite. I read a very ill-informed baseball article of theirs earlier today. Bleacher Report? Paceless Report more like.
Anger!
Reply to Trembly:
true
same artcicle as in the mirror. good points generally about our bloody dithering this window though. Robben-get him in. or young if we can splash the cash
thought i was posting the link to the mirror article i read. wrong copy & paste
point being we havent made a bid so he cant be coming to us
Reply to BruceCastle:
Not a bad idea.
If we swapped Dean Windass for Bent we would be on the path to a wonderfully PC strike force.
As long as we break Grace Jones legs, get her in a wheelchair and swap her with Defoe we will be just about there...
Reply to Trembly:
If you want a cheerleader display watch the NFL.
Looks like I'm getting aggressive on my own here. OHara needed to deck that Fcklinton cock and get a red. Then he needs to do that against Fabregunt and give him concussion. Rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrraaaaaaaaahhhh!
Reply to Trembly:
And he'll do that after he joins Fulham?
Reply to MysteriousStranger:
Fck the NFL... LINK
We're Spurs. Get them over.
Reply to MysteriousStranger:
Look I don't care what shirt he wears as long as he does the right thing.
Reply to Trembly:
Shame if he goes in many ways, cos he does care what shirt he wears.
I CANNOT BELIEVE THAT JOE LEWIS - MR DANIEL LEVY'S GUVNOR - IS PLAYING IN GOAL FOR POSH!!!!
I THOUGHT HE WAS ABOUT 90 TOO!!!
i see PSB isnt playing tonight.........what do you guys read into that then?!?!?
Reply to Sid_Trotter:
oh Sid; behave....he's made some top saves though...dont diss the OAP
I'm all for oldies playing, but he should be back up for Cudicini - not in their goal.
Tis so true that only fans are loyal in football
Reply to RJ1882:
Lest there be any confusion, I rate Huntelaar pretty highly. I'm actually fairly surprised Real is letting him go. He's certainly more than good enough for us, I was just curious why many here seemed to think he'll feel entitled to Galactico wages when he's no longer a Galactico. That's not how it works.
As for what we have to offer him, astronomical wages and CL footie ain't part of the equation (as others have astutely noted). However, there are two things that work in our favor:
1. A starting place virtually guaranteed in the run-up to the World Cup
2. A chance to play in the best, most showcased league in the world in the run-up to the World Cup
Neither of those things should be ignored, and they are probably the only reasons why Huntelaar hasn't been paraded around in a Stuttgart shirt just yet.
GOAL......joe lewis is shite
defoe ......he looked awesome at Dean Court...our little gem
Reply to toddspur:
Cover your little ears Mr Levy, big bad toddspur is being mean
its 3; modric.....all hail the little people
Reply to BillyB:
Crouch-ing Windass, Hidden Keano?
boateng subbed after 20 mins for Livermore.
Reply to toddspur:
where you watching it - link please
Reply to Sid_Trotter:
can only be injury.....livermore was up there with Defoe at Dean Court; really impressed with his confidence
Who the deuce is Jake Livermore?
Reply to Sid_Trotter:
Was the Prince not fresh?
Reply to SeattleSpursGuy:
His game calls to mind Carlton more than the Prince.
Or maybe Aunt Viv.
Reply to Sid_Trotter:
LINK
Reply to Sid_Trotter:
dont panic; dont believe anyone outside Poshes ground are watching it...swiss spurs always seem to be 2-3 mons ahead of OS version
Reply to toddspur:
*2-3 mins, not months!!
......0-4 pavolva, guess you already know that
cheers
blinking typical - all our strikers score!!! so now who do we get rid of.
(save Keane of course which surprises no-one - yes, I know he's not playing but is that my fault)
Reply to Sid_Trotter:
he must be off to Villa or Everton; place yer bets gentlemen
Reply to Sid_Trotter:
fuck me; now fraizer campbells scored
Barca's doomed, I guess.
Reply to toddspur:
LOL - I knew we were playing away but not that far!!!
Reply to Longwell:
oh the secret players we call our reserves....there is some serious quality in there Mr Longwell and given that Arry has pulled us out of the reserves league we may get to see some of them in our prestigious and world famous cup runs.....oh thats if we dont loan them all out to Bournemouth, Yeovil. The Sounders (
) or Exeter!
Reply to toddspur:
did you see that clip of Harry sitting next to Huntelar in the stands!!!!!!
nor did I
Reply to toddspur:
Yeah, I consider myself reasonably well-versed in our youth team and reserves, but for some reason I had never heard of him.
Reply to Longwell:
have to confess he wasnt one i thought would come through; he has filled out and found some serious confidence......versatile as well by all accounts
How would Crouch ever break into a forward line like this?
see Hutton didnt play either. sure there absolutely nothing in that or on PSB but makes you wonder. JJ played so doubt he is going anywhere ......................permission to say cock?