Quota load of old rubbish
Wednesday, 14 November 07, 09:06 AM · Comments(10)
English players, with the exception of a few decent stars in amongst the mire, have always been poor. A spark of gold in a pile of shite as Paul Calf (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OcVDPDRKrt0) once said.
Think back to Liverpool’s win over AC Milan in Istanbul. Number of English players in the side – two; Gerrard and Carragher. Think back even further to Liverpool’s 1984 European Cup winning side (the last of seven wins in eight years for English sides) and the team was as follows: Grobbelaar, Neal, Kennedy, Lawrenson, Whelan, Hansen, Dalglish (Robinson), Lee, Rush, Johnston (Nicol), Souness. So that’s three Englishmen including the subs. Okay there’s more Frenchman than Scots in the modern European Cup winners but still very few English, and let’s not forget it’s only England that are bringing up this issue. The Scots are doing just fine… well until Saturday anyway.
Arsenal got to the 2006 final with only a half-fit Ashley Cole and Sol Campbell in their side. Yet despite their loss, when coupled with Liverpool’s victory the year before this laid many of the foundations for the idea of the ‘Golden Generation’ of English football that would win the 2006 World Cup. Five horrendous games later, the state of the English game looked a lot less healthy.
The Manchester United side of 1999 was far more representative in regards to English players – the Nevilles, Butt, Beckham, Cole and of course Scholes who would have been in there too had he not been suspended. Yet, after their triumph, 12 months later many of those players formed the core of an English side that went out in the group stages of Euro 2000. Spain didn’t last long in that tournament either, despite Real Madrid picking up the European Cup only six weeks earlier (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-0CPIMH2t9s).
English sides dominated Europe in the mid-to-late seventies and early eighties yet the national side failed to qualify for two World Cups (74 and 78) and went out timidly in 1982 when they actually did make it to Spain.
In fact, there is very little to suggest that a nation’s success at club level – be it with home-grown players or foreigners – leads on to success at international level. Did Italy win anything in the late eighties or early nineties when their sides were dominating in Europe? Nope. Have Spanish national sides ever done anything at the highest level despite Real Madrid’s (and to a certain extent Barcelona’s) record in European competition? Nope.
Both the Italian and Spanish leagues have aspired to be the greatest league in the world over the last 20 years and both understood that this involved bringing in the world’s top talent. When Italy went out of the 1990 World Cup in the semi finals, they didn’t moan that they would have won the tournament had three Italians played for AC Milan instead of Gullit, Rijkaard and van Basten (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0O2nEZAb_Mk). They just accepted they were unlucky and moved on.
There was no attempt to block George Weah (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jo8PS4XSCyk), Paul Gascoigne et al entering the Italy afterwards. Serie A was the best league in the world so it wanted the best players, therefore if the Premier League aspires to the same position they should continue getting top players by having an open system. In the long run, the policy of importing foreign talent has hardly done the Italian national side any harm now has it? What with that whole World Cup win and that.
Finally, no amount of foreign players should be blamed for a bunch of pompous ghost-writer hookers failing to beat Macedonia at home. England players and their coaching staff (well despite their coaching staff perhaps) have the talent to reach the European Championships and have no one to blame but themselves. What can be done about the malaise in their international team? How about organising their inflated egos into a vaguely coherent side and beating the other teams in a decidedly easy group. That ought to do it.
But with England’s football team, it’s always somebody else’s fault isn’t it. Damn Johnny Foreigner.
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Later - JJ
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It's certainly true with the US that they lack any serious league to play in and indeed many decent sides to play against in compeitive intrnationals. England can have no such complaints, like I said
when their leagues were full of English-born players in the 70s and 80s they won nothing. I think the english press actually has a storage room for excuses, 'Johnny Foreigner' rants take up a good
half of the room too.
Maybe if young English players weren't so coddled and insular and decided to play abroad like their young French and Spanish counterparts, we wouldn't even be having this discussion?
Very good point, always love seeing an english or irish player heading elsewhere in europe. You'd have to respect Steve McManaman for heading away to Madrid, learning the language and immersing
himself into the spanish way of life and football. Fair play to him. But what did he get in return? Besides for two european cups and two league titles... feck all England caps. Does it then just
come down to a basic mistrust of the foreign way of playing the game? Did Sven and his coaching staff feel that since he was passing instead of hoofing each week he just wouldn't fit in?
well - english or even british players do not have a good history abroad. hargreaves and beckham are the only ones with relative success. the better players such as owen, gazza, ian rush, mark
hughes, gary lineker, etc - have traditionally not fared well outside the english league.
I agree that England needs to encourage their players to go abroad. I also agree that we need to improve the academies and coaches. The English cannot be compared to Serie A, La Liga, or even Ligue 1
for that matter. But if you do look at La Liga, a big reason that the Spanish have not done well is because there are so many foreign players in the league and the top teams. Look at the influx of
players from South America. Yes our players need experience playing with the best, but the need playtime on the pitch. Serie A used to have a huge influx of foreign players and it handicapped the
national team back in the day. Now as world champions, the majority of players in the top teams and in the first division are Italian, including the coaches. Also Serie B and C are feeder systems to
the top league. They train and play similarly. Players from Serie A can regain form in B and C.
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Excellent analysis, and I'd have to agree that its highly unlikely this would in any way benefit the national team. You want your national players to compete against the best, and one of the things
I'd point out as to why the USA does so poorly is because their players don't play at the highest level when they are in MLS.
Of course, some of the reaction coming out of England could be
influenced by the Italian World Cup side, since the entire team did in fact play in the Serie A that season. But I would attribute their success more to having a lot of the players on that team
playing together on the same club team for a whole year. Buffon & Cannavaro played together, as did Maldini & Nesta I think.
It's certainly true with the US that they lack any serious league to play in and indeed many decent sides to play against in compeitive intrnationals. England can have no such complaints, like I said
when their leagues were full of English-born players in the 70s and 80s they won nothing. I think the english press actually has a storage room for excuses, 'Johnny Foreigner' rants take up a good
half of the room too.