Atletico Madrid Vs Real Madrid | The RealmadridTalk Podcast Episode 7
Friday, 06 November 09, 08:43 AM · Comments (196)
Atletico Madrid Vs Real Madrid - Matchday 10 - La Liga | 07/11/2009 - 22:00 CET | Vicente Calderon
The last time Real lost to Atletico Madrid at the Vicente Calderon was back in 1999. Since then, we have won 29 times, drawn 20 and just lost 23. We have scored 112 goals and they scored 109. And you don't wanna bench Raul for this game, because he has always found the back of the net against the team where he started playing as a child.
However, whether Raul should play, after being benched for two consecutive games, or not, will of course be up to Pellegrini to decide. Personally speaking, I would continue with Benzema and Higuain upfront, because they deserve to have a chance and they haven't disappointed. Higuain scored two goals against Getafe and Benzema scored a historical goal against Milan in the San Siro.
With that being said, I wouldn't mind seeing Raul start as long as he gets replaced If he doesn't perform well. What I care about is our performance and it doesn't matter who starts as long as they deserve to.
The only injured player we have is Ronaldo who will be examined again in the Netherlands after 14 days. It is good to know a surgery is not needed because that would mean a three-month recovery time.
Guti will sit this one out as well. Pellegrini insists it is not a punishment and rather an injury issue. The club hasn't officially confirmed that nor has the player, so you don't know who to believe. My guess is, it is yes a punishment because I can imagine Guti disrespecting the coach and If I were Pellegrini I would exclude him for no more than three months.
The weird case is that of Albiol. He was sent off against Getafe and Real tried to appeal his suspension but they failed. Now guess what? He is in the squad list. This is either a mistake from the teach team or another try from Pellegrini to appeal his red card.
In addition to Ronaldo --Diarra, Drenthe and Adan will miss the game due to technical reasons while Metzelder and Garay are back into action.
Atletico have been having one of their worst seasons as they sit 18th on the table with just 7 points. They have also just fired their coach and installed Quique Sanchez Flores.
They have won one match so far, drawn four and lost another four, and conceded 19 goals putting them as the team who has given up most goals in the league. However, they haven't yet lost in the Vicente Calderon where their single win and three draws occurred.
They did show some good football against Chelsea the other day with Aguero being the key man. He is always dangerous and with the addition of Forlan up front they will surely cause us troubles.
As I always say, these kind of games are special. It would be wrong to assume that because we have owned them in their stadium for the last 10 years means we will surely win. They remain a great team and could turn things around, however, that gives us more motivation to do well, we just have to use that motivation and play well on the bench.
And for those who have been asking about the RealmadridTalk Podcast, It is back! I apologize for not producing the podcast in the last two weeks, as I was traveling and the other guys were busy, but we are back again!
In the 7th episode of the RealmadridTalk Podcast, Kevin and I talk about the Milan game and preview the Derby. Ignore the over use of the word "like" and my excessive passion for Real Madrid, but do pay attention to what I had to say about the team, Pellegrini, Guti, Raul and find out my preferred lineup and my prediction for the game.
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AS says that Garay will start since Albiol is suspended and Raul will start instead of Higuain and the others will be the same..
wtf is dat???
Official Lineup for Real Madrid:
------Casillas--------
Ramos___Pepe___Garay___Arbeloa
_______Xabi_______Lass
____Kaka_____________Marcelo
_______Raul___Benzema
i wanted vdv n granero given a startig position 4 ds game
i think portugal are thick real have clearly indicated that cr9 cant play but portugal still want him to recover there and play.... if he playes and make the injury worse thn he will ve a hell of a lot of explenation to do an i dont fink real will ever send him to the national team they will always try to find an excuse for him not to go LINK
-----------casillas---------
SR------Pepe------garay-----arbeloa
-------XA------------Lass diarra---
higuain-------kaka----------marcelo
----------Karim Benzema----------
best ever formation real will win 3-1 hala madrid
If what we are hearing is true then Pellegrini has decided to discontinue the line up which has showed most promise so far.
So we are back to putting square pegs in round holes.
Benzema will have to make way in the middle for Captain Calamity. Kaka will have to find some space on the wing somewhere.
And our most explosive player, Higuain, well he doesn't even get on the pitch.
I'm going to repeat this: This is NOT a rotation system. These are political maneuvres.
It's not as if the Great One has sat out the last 2 games; he came on in both matches. And this is what everyone was demanding, a reduced role for The Irreplaceable One.
I am not surprised we can never get a team going, as we ARE NEVER ALLOWED to repeat a winning team.
Reply to Caracoleo:
I agree. Period.
Guti is still out though, which is good. Higuain should be a starter, period. Much more movement in the team when he plays. VDV never gets any real playing time; he needs to play a full match. Isn't it odd teams like Chelsea are still interested in him?
Benzema and RvN will be a deadly combination. Wasn't it the Xerez match that he had an assist and goal? I prefer a fit RvN over the current Raul.
LINK (---- I Will Pick Cristiano Ronaldo Even To Play Just A Few Minutes - Portugal Coach Carlos Queiroz
Sign someone for 94 million and there is no risk policy or whatever? I wonder what Ronaldo has to say in this story. Will he risk getting a more serious injury? I've always disliked the Portuguese nationals, they just pick Brazilians/Argentines etcetera and naturalize them.
VDV would be a steal for any club. Young, good technique, good shooting ability - can score goals + pacy.
Who wouldn't be interested? We should be using him a lot more, especially when Kaka needs a break.
Reply to Caracoleo:
I totally agree it is not if he is the teams savouir or sommat he is just an ordanirly old man wiv a great past. when he is in the squad the team has to do more work than without him, he runs after the ball like a tail which is lass job and leaves benzema there alone no wonder why benzema told pelle he cant play alongside him. BUT we all have to agree raul is a historic player that real should be proud of however his time is over now. I hope he gets a long time injury which will stop everyone to speculate about him everyday and let el pipita and benzema to gell together and understand each other better the team is making huge progress without raul so if pellegrini don’t start with higuain and benz then pelle has seriously got a brain damage or something worse than that.
Pelle is probably doing the balancing act. Play Raul in some but not the important ones.. may be he will get super charged up..
if we control Aguerro , we will will win the match.. Kaka is long past due .. I think Kaka will score today
Reply to Madridista 4life:
i really can't understand this raul thing at all .....the team is look in much better...playing better football without him in the team ...y change it ....let the players gel together....this club is so FUCK UP it's not funny any more.....
GREAT NEWS RAUL NOT STARTING TODAY.
LINK
HALA PELLEGRINI
yippie..lon live pele....
hala madrid
guys someone let me know how much time left for the kick off? 2 hrs?
Reply to IndianGalactico:
more like 4 & a half,
It starts at 2:30 Indian Standard time.....
Reply to IndianGalactico:
nope 4 hrs left to kick off starting now!!!
Reply to Madrid4Life:
I guess pelle finally found his balls, seeing that if he kept on playing raul and if we kept on loosing pelle would probably loose his job..........
Reply to Caracoleo:
Hey I think you should be happy to be proved wrong this time round......~!!!
seeing raul is going to be benched,.......!!
Reply to Denzel:
A**hole the perfect description for quirez, portugal should pay for atleast the wages if the player is injured during internationals.....!!
Reply to Madrid4Life:
yass! i think pellegrini was thinking about that option for like ages now...im glad he has picked higuain!
Reply to Shre7:
I am. It would be ridiculous to suddenly change a team that, without looking like world beaters, at least looked like they could give someone a game.
I hope we continue to make progress with this line up. Basically it's all we've got, I think we've tried every other possibility that includes Raul in the line up. And we've always looked poor.
Now, though, the team has some shape - so that is a start. There are also options on the bench; Van Der Vaart, Drenthe and Raul or Van Nistlerooy.
Atletico are a shambles of a team. Anything less than outright victory would be a massive disappointment.
hi i'm from suriname and i'm a madrid fan
i love this team
but i want them to play better footbal
i need this formation
----- casillas----
ramos...pepe...garay.....arbeloa
xabi ....... lasss
kaka ............marcelo
higuain ......raul
Reply to Shre7:
Any update on this . Will ronaldo be send.. Any further injury will be a disaster for el clasico..
Confirmed lineup: Casillas,Ramos,Pepe,Garay,Arbeloa,Lass,Xabi Alonso,Marcelo,Kaka,Higuain, Benzema.. Raul on the bench again
Lets go MALLORCA!!
Mallorca scores. Barca 1-1 Mallorca, 22nd - first half.
Hoping Barca get Spanked!!
Go Mallorca
Barca 2-1 Mallorca
barca 3-1 mallorca HT..cmmn mallorca
that was quick...
I said it .. Kakaaaaaaaaa score...
Agueero is not playing also
KKKKKKKKKKAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAKKKKKKKKKKKKKAAAAAA! man thats was really quick,just like last year
P.S: perfect LINK
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOWWWWWWWWWW,best show from Real Madrid against a top team
Marcelo!
hahaha marcelo like that celebration monkey dance.. from that angle
Reply to MadridistAli:
they are not top team for this time
Alonso still isn't quite performing up to his potential...
Reply to mazima:
define big teams in spain then...???
only barca, valencia & sevilla???
if athli and villa real arent big teams......!!
Reply to mazima:
just because they arent playing well doesnt mean they are a good team.......!!
Garay is doing fantastic. Our defence looks world class except for couple mistakes by Ramos and Pepe.
I been saying this for months now, Garay has to play. One of the most promising defenders in the world.
So far so good. It's very comfortable. Atletico are a shambles, and without Aguero, Forlan looks very isolated.
Benzema is looking active, and could have had a great goal on top of that assist for Marcelo.
Kaka is making the most of any space he gets through the middle.
Ramos looks close to his best.
Marcelo looks like a very good inside left.
I'd like to see Higuain come into it a bit more. But we already know, that when Higuain enters the fray he is explosive.
THIS is our team. No more talk about Guti or Raul. They do not contribute what these guys do. They are individuals who do not generate team spirit. They are substitutes at best, to be called upon when the chips are down.
I think what we are seeing confirms what so many of us have already said here.
Reply to Shre7:
well if we are talking about the best teams in their best form then : RMadrid,Fartca,Valencia,Atletico Madrid,Sevilla,Bilbao
dont underestimate AMadrid they are a top team
Reply to Caracoleo:
I think the only thing it confirms is that you are going to stick to your quite baseless views regardless of reality and that you will find a way to self-justify no matter what happens. You could argue that Guti does not contribute much, but to say that Raul is an individual who does not generate team spirit is the epitome of blind prejudice. You are so desperate to perpetuate your own infatuation with Benzema and hate of Raul that you are willing to sacrifice anything. Raul is a good leader, on or off the pitch, and anyone who says otherwise quite simply has no business with Real Madrid. The reason that Raul was and should be benched for this game is so that we could take advantage of our opponent's lack of pace in the defensive half. I also think calling Benzema's pass an assist is far-fetched. Just because you pass to someone who scores does not mean you should be credited with an assist. It was a smart pass, but give me a break. The thing about ignorant views is that they always find a way to perpetuate themselves.
Hi Hi Hi Hi Hi Hi HIGUUAAAAAAIINNNNNN!
higuain totally robbed perea...no too early for raul...
If there's one thing that confirms that Ramos is back, it's his red card
Oh God. Will we miss both Ramos and Albidol for Barca clash ????
Reply to anayth:
pls dont tell me we miss them for elclassico..
fuck raul!!the moment he came we r shit
DAAAAAAAAAAAAAMMMMMMMNNNNNNN!
guys we are either gonna draw or lose
Reply to trooper:
Raul or Gago
Reply to trooper:
our two goals were pepe's mistake and not rauls.............
Reply to Shre7:
*conceded
PUT VAN DER VAART IN
Reply to MadridistAli:
both!!!man i tired of politics
Reply to Shre7:
Yeah now they aren't a good team right? only the big teams know the meaning of "comeback" and i bet that tomorrows Chelsea v Man Shit wont be as entertaining as this,man i'm tired of those who say EPL is better,hell no!
Our composure leaves much to be desired. Albiol's red card, the penalty decision in Milan, Ramos' red card have all changed the game.
gimme an attacking duo better than Forlan and Aguero
Reply to MadridistAli:
higuain and benzema
Reply to MadridistAli:
Hey u misunderstood me, i meant that just because they arent playing well doesnt mean that they arent a good team..(i forgot to write not...)
i think both villareal and athlei are top teams in La liga...
and trust me when i say I hate EPL>...,,,,
Reply to trooper:
haha... you're full of shit.
really WHAT A GAME
Reply to Ryan McManus:
yeh u r right i am full of Ryan McManus !!!
Thank god we won.......!!
if anyone would have offered pelle 2-3 at the start of the match, he would have taken it.......!!
Wow, way to get complacent. At least we won.
Reply to trooper:
lol
still not as good as Forlan and Aguero
damn as reporting ronaldo is running again and so may play for portugal WTF........
Why did we buy him for 94 million if all he was going to do was play por portugal, get injured again play for portugal and get injured.......!!
LINK
Well.
Pellegrini knows he made huge mistakes with his substitutions but I guess the red card didn't help either.
3-0 Wasn't a realistic score for us to be honest. 3-2 at the Calderon is more like it, atleast this way we know we have mistakes to correct.
Oh yeah, AND RAUL WOULD FAIL A FUCKING REFEREE FITNESS TEST.
"Oh yeah, AND RAUL WOULD FAIL A FUCKING REFEREE FITNESS TEST. "24 carat god statement
Reply to trooper:
gold*correction
Pepe is a cancer in the backline. Pelligrini should start Garay and Albiol!
Reply to Madrid4Life:
Raul was isolated when he came on because we had to defend a man down. In this game, it was not his fault that we lost control of the gam.
Reply to trooper:
haha... good one, pooper.
Reply to Madrid4Life:
i believe he should start VDV next game instead of Xabi who played well today too
Reply to Ryan McManus:
Actually no. When Raul came on we were 11 men.
When Raul came on we stopped pressuring upfront.
When Raul came on the team was defending and not attacking.
When Raul cam on Higuan should have slapped him on the way out.
When Raul came on we got a red card.
When Raul came on it was like bad luck.
I blame Raul for humans to be damned on this earth, we would of all been in heaven right now if it wasn't for him.
pepes been making so many mistakes these days!! AH! we shouldv had that in the bag man! but oh well 3 points is all the counts now
garay is solid...raul came on the wrong time tho but pelle didnt know we were gna get a red card! he cudnt just take em back off
If the match had gone on for another 5 minutes we would have lost.
Nevertheless, for the first time in many games we actually looked like we were in control for much of the game. It was only when Ramos was unjustly sent off that Atletico applied any consistent pressure.
Van Der Vaart should have come on much earlier.
We lost all our goal threat when Pellegrini took off both Higuain and Benzema.
The idea was to shore up the midfield with Gago, but it didn't work. Gago struggled out there and couldn't contribute to the defensive capabilities of the team. Alonso hardly influenced the match at all.
Not a great performance- but at least there are signs that we are building something here. Now we have to wait and see if Pellegrini is brave enough to take this forward.
Reply to W335Y09:
Pepe was the most active defender though, the reason you see him making mistakes is because he's literally on every single ball. Tell me how many times you saw Garay touch the ball?
Pepe is solid and from my point of view it wasn't pure mistakes from his part. It was more like him trying to correct the midfields mistakes.
Alonso is totally out of it; this might sound harsh but 35m? Holy shit we got robbed.
Reply to W335Y09:
There was absloutlely no need to bring on Raul anyway. What for? It's not like we needed goals.
Higuain had finally come into the game.
Benzema was starting to enjoy himself out there.
Pellegrini made a political decision, thinking that the match was won. Hopefully that will teach him a lesson.
Reply to Madrid4Life:
1. True
2. Raul was pressuring upfront, but the rest of the team wasn't.
3. Well, that sounds like a "team problem", not a "Raul problem".
4. That's a good one. Lolz. Douchebag.
5. Clearly Raul's fault.
6. Attributing this to luck shows how little you really know.
7. Congratulations for proving your own idiocy.
Reply to Caracoleo:
Agreed on Gago and Alonso. True, but wasn't Ramos already on a yellow, and his challenge definitely merited a second one. A straight red was harsh, though.
Reply to Madrid4Life:
I'm also disappointed with S.Ramos performance today. He has such an amazing strength/speed/stamina but he really lacks the awareness.
He on many occasions ignored his defending duties and didn't return back fast enough; which also left Pepe in trouble who on more than several occassions fix Ramos's mistakes.
Reply to Caracoleo:
True, but as you said we did not need goals. We really should be able to defend a three goal lead regardless of who is playing up top.
Reply to Madrid4Life:
Indeed, it wasn't Pepe's fault that he had to be everywhere at once, and Alonso disappointd once again in my book.
Reply to Ryan McManus:
So you're going to insult people for criticizing Raul? That alone shows how ignorant you are.
You're so living in 2003. Raul fucking died; get over it buddy. Better yet start warming up I'd fucking put you on the pitch instead of Raul; you'll probably do better against defenses with that epic douchebag attitude of yours.
Yeh. Ramos was already on a yellow, and would have got sent off anyway. Forgot that. Shame, as I thought he was having a good game.
As for Raul... I suppose he had a few nice touches. But his lack of pace gets exposed time and time again. Even when he is in control of the ball, he can't get past his man because of his slow pace.
It allows the opposition to come forward, knowing that they don't have to worry about being caught out by an explosive run by Raul.
Raul is left hoping that he can latch onto a lose ball inside the area, or scavenge something on the line.
Forward play these days is so much about pace, and that is Raul's biggest problem.
Reply to Caracoleo:
You said it; football and mainly the attacking roles rely almost entirely on pace nowadays.
So the million dollar question is why does Raul still play?
Reply to Caracoleo:
True. And against a team with a well-documented lack of pace in the back line, Raul wouldn't have been the right choice to start. Although, Raul was forced to take on two or three defenders at once in multiple instances because of the lack of support he received and his subsequent isolation.
Reply to Madrid4Life:
ok you tell me how a miget like aguero who is like 5 5 or 5 6
out powerd and floord pepe whos like over 6 foot tall?? i saw garay put in some solid tackles on aguero in the closing mintues garay played better then pepe..for the first goal forlan was pepe`s man? he let him go...secnd goal aguero outpowerd pepe somwhow and pepe felll he needs to sronger...oh yeah even for the ramos red card aguero flow past pepe...bad game from pepe you have to admit it he makes alot of mistake HE IS GOOD but hes been making mistakes
Reply to Madrid4Life:
Nah, I was just reacting to a nonsensical a generally worthless statement on your part. I don't think such unconstructive conflict would benefit the team in any way gand I didn't find it very funny if that's what you were going for. I'm really sorry if you were offended by the fact that I scoffed at you for mentioning luck, but I would like to think there's a more concrete reason, a red card perhaps, for the sudden decline in our performance level.
Reply to Caracoleo:
i noticed when raul is on hes on..he looks like a below averge player? and he only looks good when other players around him are good who make him look better which he aint and hes past it
Reply to Madrid4Life:
i thought ramos was quite good til he got sent off but he had to make that challenge sometimes you get the ball and sometimes you dont
Reply to W335Y09:
without any other good players around him**
Reply to W335Y09:
What are you talking about man... Aguero is one of the best attackers in the world; and being short is an advantage against tall defenders when the balls ont he ground.
You said it yourself "Garay in the closing minutes"
The first goal was due to the red card; everything after the red card got screwed. I think we didn't even make our substitution then aswell, right?
Pepe is probably one of the strongest defenders out their; Puyol got massacred by Aguero last year.. Again it has nothing to do with strength more than it has to do with agility.
He didn't have a perfect game we can agree on that. I see much bigger problems then our back line today. We need to stop haveing 70% possession and give the ball away 90% of the time. Its just really wierd how we play in the midfield. Sometimes I think we're not mentally adapting but phsyically. Kaka and Alonso for example are pushing beyond their limits to make small positive effects. I don't know how this will look like on the long run but one things for sure. Pellegrini wants the team to play the way he wants regardless of who plays better where.
oh yeah for 80 minutes we were dominating the game even when ramos was sent of we were doing ok..
Reply to Madrid4Life:
Sometimes I think we aren't adapting physically*
*correction*
Reply to Ryan McManus:
If pressure doesn't start from the top line it won't work.
Raul entered > we stopped pressuring > we lost possesion > midfield exposed > defense exposed which led to a red card Ramos had to take.
Would you stop being so emotional everytime someone says something about Raul?
I'd be the first to support Raul if he was playing well. BUT HE'S MAKING OUR TEAM LOSE!!!!!
GOODNIGHT
Reply to Madrid4Life:
do you even what defending is...
first rule of defending..YOU HAVE to be strong!
secnd rule...YOU NEED TO KNOW how to tackle
3rd rule...YOU NEED TO BE GOOD AT MARKING and dont let your man get away (like pepe did for forlans goal)
then its the rest...but you have to get the 3 things right marking defending (which includes awarnesss and reading the game) tacklikng! so the fact is HE SHOULDNT be pushd over by AGUERO no matter how good he is HE SHOULDNT outpower PEPE!
Reply to Madrid4Life:
I'm just pointing out the facts. You're the one who is getting emotional here. Raul continued to pressure, but the rest of the team had stopped pressuring because we were playing a man down. Yes, pressuring with one man is ineffective, but why blame Raul? I just don't get it. I have no problem with insulting Raul. He's old, slow, and downright ineffective against some opponents. My problem is with the fact that some people here impulsively blame every single little thing on Raul, without actually reasoning through it.
Reply to Ryan McManus:
yeah it was pepe`s fault! 2 goals not rauls
Reply to W335Y09:
So either I agree with you or I don't know what defending is?
I have a question.. Sergio Ramos recieved a red so he misses the copa match with alcorcon I believe and then he will be available vs Racing. is this true
Reply to Ryan McManus:
You did point out facts and you proved to be overly emotional when you insulted me after I criticized Raul.
Having a problem with people criticizing Raul is not something that should make you bash people on this blog.
"Yes, pressuring with one man is ineffective, but why blame Raul?"
Because he should have never went on the pitch; Now answer me why he did actually go on the pitch and you'll get your answer.
Read Caracoleos post up their if you want a clue.
Reply to Madridista4:
correct
Reply to sleepy101:
Direct red card is 2 match ban, no?
Reply to Madridista4:
no, i think he will play on alcorcon but will miss against racing.
sergio ramos will play against alcorcon because it hasnt got anything to do with la liga but will be excluded for two games as for albiol he will come back against racing because they reduced it before so he wil be available against barca but i dont know about ramos if they dont do anything about it then god knows what will happen with real against barca with henrys speed etc
Reply to madridista 4life:
A red card in La liga counts for all Spanish competitions. I don't think Ramos is out of El Clasico or else Marca or AS would've had a story on it by now. He's going to miss the games with Alcorcon and Racing if i'm not wrong.
Reply to Madrid4Life:
Ok, go cry a river...
You are not saying the same thing as Caracoleo, he is actually backing up his points logically and pointing out that there are other things to blame. You are just blindly blaming every single thing on Raul and not adding anything new to the discussion here. Statements like "Higuain should slap Raul" and "Raul is to blame for everything" simply do not belong in an arena of debate. The notion that Raul is the bane of Madrid has been stated repeatedly and is simply not constructive given the fact that Raul will always be part of this team. If you really think that Raul is the problem, figure out how we can make up for Raul.
Reply to TheAngelOfMadrid:
yeah true i think hes only out for 2 games which is alcorcon and racing
Reply to Ryan McManus:
Well-said.
Reply to Madrid4Life:
well you dont if you think that ath madrids goals were not pepe`s fault...even the ramos redcard started from pepe being caught! out of position
and you can blame raul for the goals but not pepe?
When I said look at Caracleo's post earlier to have a clue; I was refering to the "Political decision" pellegrini made to make Raul play when we clearly didn't need to have him on the pitch. I don't know where you got that I'm saying the same thing as Caracleo not that I disagree with him much.
I can blindly blame every single thing on Raul; insulting other people just because they don't exactly think like you or agree with you just shows the level of ignorance you've reached.
I have the simple solution to fix Madrids problem with Raul; I DO NOT MEAN TO BE INSULTING HERE BUT........we need less people like you who support/supported Raul in the past 4-5 years.
and you know you're the most contridicting person on this blog; just weeks ago you were drooling all over Raul and crying when someone criticized him. But now you're siding against him.
Raul is utter garbage for this team; and fans like you shouldn't exist if we want to get rid of this bias the Real Madrid management has towards him.
Reply to Adambader:
Instead of agreeing or disagreeing with what people have to say how bout first putting some order around here?
I don't know if its any of your concern but I don't see why you can allow people insulting each other when we're all here supporting the same team.
Reply to Madrid4Life:
To Ryan McManus
Reply to Madrid4Life:
First, don't tell me to put order here before agreeing or disagreeing. If you don't like the fact that I agree with Ryan, then that's your problem
Second, I keep deleting comments all the time and has become a full-time job. If you WANT to PUT ORDER here, help me by alerting me via email or on OleOle profiles.
Reply to Adambader:
Meh, I guess you're not open to suggestions/advice; thats the biggest flaw a journalist can have nowadays.
But as you wish; I don't give two flying fucks if you agree with Ryan McManus or even if you were butt buddies for that matter.
All I'm saying here is my opinion; I'm not putting a knife at anyones neck. I honestly come here to vent out the bullshit that not only me but alot of Real Madrid supporters have endured with this Raul Madrid in the past 4-5 years.
If thats not welcomed here; then by all means ban your own supporter who was with you since day one.
I think everyone should be free to say what they honestly think about the team.
That is what debating is all about, and what I think this blog was created for. Arguments based on sound reasoning, or even just gut feeling. Hell, I even welcome non Madrid supporters so long as they return to follow up whatever arguments they've posted.
I stop short at insulting other people here though. God knows I've been riled up a few times, but I don't think we should resort to insults, or the typical 'you know shit about football.'
You might come here and say that Raul is our saviour, or that Cristiano is a useless, overpaid prima dona. That's your opinion. And you are welcome to have it.
Me? As I've said Raul does represent a problem. I think we've already seen a 'before' and 'after' effect with the team. The team clearly plays better without Raul.
I questioned Pellegrini's decision to introduce Raul at a time when our attack was getting into full swing.
But I also recognise that we have a multitude of problems. The midfield is still not as convincing as it should be. In defence we still look very loose - and yesterday was clear evidence that Pellegrini has a lot of work in this area.
The other thing was this:
What exactly does Pellegrini tell Raul before he goes on the pitch?
He seems to spend about 2 minutes giving him very precise orders, only to have Raul run around in the same way he has always done!
Reply to Madrid4Life:
Listen, I am open to suggestions. What I said is, constantly monitoring the blog is not easy and I asked for your help so don't put words in my mouth.
Then, watch your language "two flying fucks" or whatever you are saying. Also the way you made your suggestion was a bit like an order
"Instead of agreeing or disagreeing with what people have to say how bout first putting some order around here?"
It is like I work for you.
Last, as you all know, I have always been the first critic of Raul, but I do that in a respectful manner. I don't call the team "Raul Madrid" and I don't call the whole thing bullshit.
Take it easy my friend
Holy shit I apologized for calling you a douche already. Get over it.
Reply to Madrid4Life:
You seem more worried about what you see as the horrible injustices that you have suffered than about what happens on the pitch.
Reply to Caracoleo:
I don't think any of us could ever have the slightest clue about that one...
Reply to Madrid4Life:
Dude, just calm down, you're acting a little paranoid. No one is about to ban you as far as I can tell.
Reply to Ryan McManus:
Guys, chill out. Check out this video to motivate you before trashing Alcorcon
LINK#/pages/Adam-Bader/174475281834?ref=ts
Reply to Adambader:
LINK
I said you weren't saying the same thing as him, or at least saying it in the same way. Sure, Higuain and Benzema were more productive, but if subbing in Raul is all it takes to doom a team, as you seem to think it did, I'm going to have to suspect that there's a lot more wrong with the team than just Raul. Funny, I really don't recall crying, but I'll believe you, I guess. Look, I thought I had made this clear, but I guess I will address it again.
My opinion on Raul:
Has contributed volumes to Madrid in the past.
Didn't begin to negatively impact our level of play until this year.
Slow and ineffective against certain opponents.
Has something that at this point Higuain and Benzema do not, experience.
Also a true leader and club icon.
Should be allowed to play when his performance justifies it.
Should not be given political preference to.
Not a scapegoat for everything bad to happen at Real Madrid.
Reply to Ryan McManus:
All makes sense. This is what I have always been to say, Raul is not the problem, he is a very little part of it. And as simple as this: If he plays well, he starts, If not, another one starts.
Heck, If Casillas starts allowing silly goals in, I want ADAN to start. The team is more important than anything.
Good night, I need to go to bed
this game vs Alcorcon is going to be extremely difficult but we have to score atleast 4 goals and not let them score one and we have to play our strongest team once again but its going to be so difficult because they will just pull back the whole time and defend. so we nned our strongest team out there I would play this team .. Casillas,Albiol,Pepe,Garay,Arbeloa,Lass,Xabi Alonso,Kaka,Marcelo,Higuain, and Benzema.. I would play Albiol at right back for Ramos who will be suspended and we have a good bench with Raul,RVN,VDV,Granero, etc.. .. I think atleast 2-0 in the first half would be good
Reply to Adambader:
Telling people to watch their language on a public blog where every person can comment is like asking for a miracle but in my case I will; just because I respect this blog although I don't see whats wrong with having a little bit of a freedom of speech. Is using vulgar figurative speech worse than insulting people directly? I think finding a solution for the latter would be more logical.
And if you're going to indulge so deep into assuming that my suggestion sounded like an order then allow me to do the same .
Adam, agreeing with Ryan was like saying it was OK for him to insult people around here.
I don't think every person has to criticize Raul in a respectful manner, if you want to do that then that's up to you. You probably still have faith in him but I don't.
If I ever get a chance to go to the Santiago Bernabue anytime I will tell Raul exactly what I say on this blog. I'll tell him that he's the reason we've been a losing team for the last 4-5 years.
To wrap this up; I'll respect Raul in 2003 but its 2009 buddies; if you can't see how horrible of a player he is. Then just make a comparison of him and the players his age nowadays you'll end up finding better players in Alcorcon.
Raul broke records for himself and not for the team. This is why I call it Raul Madrid.
Football is not about how you hard you work or how much you run; its about the end result and how you contribute to it.
Right now this season Raul contributed with 4-0 to Alcorcon and that speaks for itself.
Reply to Ryan McManus:
So mature....
Reply to Caracoleo:
I'm more concerned about if Raul really listen to Pellegrini's orders.
But yeah they do look overly serious when they're next to each other. I think its a tactic Pellegrini is showing to shine some importance on Raul for the fans; get what I mean? However as I have said before I support Pellegrini's dicesions and he's finally the man who can change Madrid internally. He just needs some time to do so.
ok ok ok could you please stop arguin about raul he is an old bag end of story.. hey have you heard cr9 might be absent until jan if he partcipates in portugals qualifiers shiit valdano do something about it. but i think marcelo is doing a good job out there he helps the backline which cr9 never does that is why arbeloa never gets critisized and it always ramos that becomes criticized becomes he has got two player against with noone helping him from the attacking players except lass at some points
Okay, moving on from Raul.
Portugal have announced their squad list for the game against Bosnia & Herzegovina and guess what? There's a certain Ronaldo's name on it. Funny how Portugal are desperate enough to play an injured player. I say, if they actually play Ronaldo even though he's injured, we sue them.
rumours bayern want to offload ribery good or bad what do u think?
i want to see this starting eleven against alcorcon casillas-albiol(played there when ramos was injured once i think but he played solid though)-garay(promising star defender)-arbeloa(doing a good job till now)-XA(not on his best but who should play instead of him gagooo?-lass(the worlds most underrated player)-higuain(explosive player with speed rarely seen in many attackers)-kaka(hope he playes like he did vs milan)-marcelooo(better than cr9 thus far) and benzema up front which will hold on to the ball allowing all real player to come forward pressuring alcorcon.
NOT SUBSTTUTING HIGUAIN AND BENZEMA LIKE ALWAYS let them stay in for the rest of the game which will then allow real to dominate the WHOLE 90 min which has never happened because they always gets substitued.
NO old raul in the squad and the copa del ray will be fine believe me
with this strating eleven 6-1 to real
HALA MADRID
Reply to TheAngelOfMadrid:
I am seriously pissed off at quirez......... we should take portugese FA for the cleaners if roaldo's injury is aggravated....!!!!
Reply to Shre7:
*to
Reply to madridista 4life:
i think they have realised that he is going to come to madrid for 25 million, and now just want more money for him......... but i think he is not going to move in winter, and even if he decides to change his team, he will only wear white.......!!!!
Reply to madridista 4life:
I disagree about the higuain, benzema thing.......
I believe its time to start with pipita & RVN.!!
playing rvn is a risk, but a risk worth taking cause there is no better finisher than ruud.........!!
and we need goals....!!
Reply to madridista 4life:
oh i forgot pepe as well not at his best against atletico but still number one will lead the backline to a tremendous game
Reply to Shre7:
true hopes valdano goes to portugal and kicks quirez in the ass
Who are you guys?I read this and I can't beleve my eyes. Who are you? Are you people from this planet?You call yourselfs a madidistas? A real madridista respects our legend,best thing that heppend to Real for manu years.That is Raul.When he is not in form,he will sit on bench,but I don't understand your hate.If you can't respect legend of europian football and our capitan then you can't respect anything. Please Adam Bader change the name of your site from "Giving madridistas a voice" to "Giving haters and garbagistas a voice".
Reply to gaga:
NO NO this is totally unrespectful of you to say that have you been watching the games lately he was good 2 or 3 years ago but now his time is simply over we dont put garbage on his back it is just that as you said he is not in form but the question is why does he always get substitued when his form has dipped and pellegrini dont chance with player that are in form now such as higuain vdv etc instead of taking huguian out and the pace slows down beacsue raul is not in his best days right now. simple as respect it.
Hala madrid
Reply to madridista 4life:
I wasn't talking about his form, I was talking about language you use when you talk about him, like garbage and cancer. It's a shame for all real madridistas. Anyway, he scored 3 goles like Benz with less minutes on the pitch. And in CL 2 goles on 4 games.
I hope with the exclusion of benze, pelle will play with Higuain & ruud......
OH man,did anyone see O.Lyon vs Marseille 5-5 draw
10 GOALS OMG!!
Reply to Madrid4Life:
You are a hopelessly pathetic individual..... if you don't have to criticize Raul in a respectful manner then why should I have to criticize you in a respecful manner? You have contributed nothing to the club, and whether you like it or not Raul has. What's immature is that you are overreacting to one word in one of my posts. Did you even read the rest? Raul is still a good player, certainly not a great one, but still good for his age. If you honestly think that every single achievement of Raul's prodigious career was born out of self-interest then there's no helping you. The whole team contributed to the defeat, so I'm not sure how you can continue to single out one player. If the amount of effort that our players give really doesn't matter, then I just don't know what kind of team we've become. And stop acting like such a victim already. That is all.
Reply to Ryan McManus:
Yes I have contributed more to the club than Raul in the past 4-5 years.
Buying jersey's every year is more than what Raul has given for Madrid.
Raul is a good player? Thats something I don't really see and yet been convinced about.
I don't know what sport you're watching but Football is about 11 players and if you're gonna analyze why teams lose it'll always come down to a main player a second a third.
Tell me Lassana Diarra takes fault in any of our defeats, you're a hypocrit if you. So no blaming the whole team isn't going to happen.
I have been reading all the comments about Raul and I'd like to offer my opinion. First of all I have always been an admirer of Raul but the problem is that he hasnt caught up with the modern game.
The modern game is stronger, faster. Raul doesnt have the attributes to keep up with that.....in the role he is given.... In recent years he has been told to come deep, with more prolific strikers such as van nisteroy playing at the top.
Well Raul doesnt have the control, nor strength to keep the ball. His best attribute is his positioning and in the box.
For me I find a lot of similarities between Raul and Inzaghi and even Owen (minus some speed though)
Anyway, to have him roam around the central striker, and to have him help out in defence has not helped him succeed in the game. He needs to be in the box, where he can turn any opportunity into goal. He is your typical poacher.
Still poacher has been a dying breed in football.
If you notice most of Rauls goals, were from pushing the ball in after somebody else took a shot. He is great in front of the goal but he is not as complete as benzema or Higuain.
The only reason he is still played is because of his passion for madrid...he is a flag. Personally I dont believe any consiracy theories nor that Raul is making them play him. Inzaghi still plays in front of huntelaar in Milan...and he has scored a lot.
The coach has faith in him....because he can turn any opportunity into a goal....but he needs to play in his role. Thats my opinion.
Also yes I disagree with pellegrini putting him on when we are ahead, since Raul doesnt have anything to offer at that point of the game
1. Not fast to counterattack
2. Not good defensively
3. Not good at holding the ball
He just offers spirit I guess
Reports says that lass is unhappy at real and want a move i don’t think so well it could be true if it is then i seriously want to know what is actually happening in real cuz first ronaldo wanted to go then robinho and now lass who is next ramos....LINK
Reply to Madrid4Life:
I'm sorry but you can't compare buying a jersey every year to Rau'ls 15 years as a footballer. You are either being sarcastic or obviously biased. This kind of ignorant comments is what offends other people who in turn curse you.
Reply to fofos:
I agree with you. This is an objective opinion that gives everyone their right.
Keep it up
Reply to madridista 4life:
Goal.com
Reply to Madrid4Life:
i am sorry friend u r fighting a losing battle along with caracoleo!!!i for one agree with u to some extent but like adam said raul is part of the the problem not an entire problem of the club...maybe we should just rest this issue...ur or mine complaint wont really help the cause ...u know what i mean.peace
Reply to Adambader:
I said 4-5 years. Not 15 years.
I'll assure you I'm not being sarcastic.
Raul was great. Key word "was".
Its not my problem if people see me ignorant for stating the obvious.
I'm just being really blunt here; I will not support Raul unless he miraculously changes his form.
Reply to madridista 4life:
It's bullshit. I wouldn't believe 'The People' because they have a reputation of being fags. Liverpool just want to unsettle Lass but we all know Lass loves us just as much as we love him.
Reply to Madrid4Life:
Give it up. Raul has given more to this club than anyone before and despite not wanting him to play, I certainly respect him. Nobody's denying that Raul shouldn't be a starter. Everybody thinks he should be the one fighting for a spot, not Higuain and Benzema. But you're taking the disrespect to a whole new level. Raul's not the reason for all our problems. The only thing we should have against him is his starting games, don't take this to a whole 'nother level mate.
Reply to TheAngelOfMadrid:
Yeah he gave so much to the club and don't get me wrong I Idolize the old Raul.
The Raul of recent years however only braught us downfall. Raul isn't the reason for all our problems. RAUL IS THE ONLY PROBLEM WE HAVE.
We have a great coach.
The richest president.
The youngest and most promising players.
Best stars in the world.
Then we have Raul; a player who is a shadow of what he use to be. A player who for god knows why!!! Got to play before Higuan this season; but Pellegrini had to show Perez the finger. We had the entire season on the line and he kept Raul on the bench for the sake of it.
Now the only problem after the Atletico Madrid game I had with him was when Pellegrini put him in the game.
Don't you people see the insanity that just happened before our eyes? We are in our derby away game and we stop using our strongest player/players to let Raul in ? Why? Because he's Raul? Because he gave so much? Because he fights so hard? Because he has the majority of the ignorant fans hearts?
I can't pin point what it is just yet; I promise It'll be more than obvious in the end of the season. Just like how obvious our team became better when he went on the bench. So lets wait and see how the season unfolds.
I read a statistic today that was rather interesting from minute 85 to 94. We only held the ball for 45 seconds.
I'd bury my head in the ground ashamed if I was Raul.
Reply to Madrid4Life:
You then said "Buying jersey's every year is more than what Raul has given for Madrid. "
Anyway, still you can't compare buying the jersey to what Raul has done in the last five years. You buy the jersey and that's it. He trains everyday - morning and evening, plays professional soccer and scores goals that saves your butt (remember Real Madrid - Barca at the Bernabeu?), puts up with criticism (from us -- press).
Trust me, he works hard. Most footballers do, it is not like buying a jersey, calling your self a fan and watching matches on TV.
He deserves respect, all players do, whether they play well or are shockingly out of form.
If you still think I am wrong about this and you are right, that's totally fine. I respect your opinion, but still think the way you are conveying it is totally unacceptable...
and by the way, I know you have been reading the blog for a while -- you know that I give Raul a hard time -- but I respect him.
Reply to Adambader:
I don't know man you can probably convince me that Raul has contributed more to the club than me buying his jersey. But on the other side I just can't see how a ridiculous player can justify his place in peoples hearts with his form in recent years; but if he's able to then I see my ridiculous comments (and I admit that one) justified upon my opinions.
The majority might not agree; I know alot of people and friends who do agree though that Raul is a load of **censored for the Raul fans**!!!
Reply to Madrid4Life:
Thanks for your opinion
Reply to Madrid4Life:
We have MUCH deeper problems than Raul. Our defence has been crap for ages, our club is a major laughing stock and we have more internal issues than freaking Afghanistan.
And Raul was brought on because we were winning 3-0! Any other manager would've done the same. Pellegrini didn't expect Ramos to get sent off or Pepe to make those mistakes. Be fair.
Reply to TheAngelOfMadrid:
Disagree. Had it been Capello, he would have stuffed the midfield. Secure the three points - we didn't need strikers
Reply to Adambader:
Well, Capello's not exactly a normal manager is he? This is the same Capello who showed his middle to the Bernabeu fans back in 06/07 against Zaragoza
Reply to TheAngelOfMadrid:
middle finger*
Reply to gaga:
Where have you been for the last 5 years?
People who criticise Raul are not lesser supporters. They have the right to criticise anyone who puts on that shirt.
Benzema, Higuain, Robinho, Ronaldo (I + II), and yes even the great Zidane have all felt the wrath of supporters in recent years. Why not Raul?
The main difference is that Benzema arrived in Madrid yesterday and people are on his back. Raul has been performing below par for years and years - and yet HE ALWAYS PLAYS. And YET PEOPLE STILL DEFEND HIM.
In my view it's a sick joke and I celebrate the moment Raul no longer appears on our team list. That's my view. Others think differently - that's up to them.
Reply to Madrid4Life:
I was completely baffled as to why Pellegrini brought on Raul. Pellegrini decided to break up an attack that was starting to really connect.
Some have argued that there was no need to keep the Higuain / Benzema duo on the field as we were already 3-0 up.
But that argument doesn't cut it for me. Shall we take off Kaka because we don't need to pass the ball well anymore? What kind of substitution policy is that?
Maybe he subbed those players in case they played too well?
Really. What nonsense.
You take off players who are weakening, and you bring on players who can make a better contribution than what you've got out there. You might bring on a youngster just to see what he's got. It's not rocket science. But the Raul substitution laughs in the face of this logic.
Raul should be benched.
He should come on when are lacking bite up front, or we need a goal.
He should not be brought on just because his name is Raul.
He should not be given special privileges just because his name is Raul.
He should not be treated differently just because some view him as a legend.
He should compete on a level playing field - and if he can't, then do the decent thing, and get out of the game.
LINK
Hey Adam!! Can you please start a new thread on Alcorcon match? Atleast then we can sway from this Raul topic for a while.. I am feeling sick about this dillydallying on a never ending subject..
Reply to hamid:
Liverpool want Lassana Diarra?
You know what? They can kiss my my big behind!
Take Raul instead!
i hear some fans on goal.com saying " oh madrid dont have the right to keep ronaldo from going to portugal" ERM YES THEY DO...madrid paid 70 million for him not portugal...MADRID pay hes salarys! madrid have the right to stop him...and thats when hes injurd! stupid quieroz or whatever hes name is! hes a shit manager anyway..who remembers him being the madrid manager? lol because he was a good asst manger to fergie who made him look good lol
Reply to Caracoleo:
Ur even stupider if you think Madrid will sell Raul LMAO even if he sucks he's not leaving
And would Liverpool want Raul? C'mon now use your brain. We give them Raul they give us Gerrard.
Reply to W335Y09:
National Team>Club Team
It has ALWAYS been like that. Players have more pride playing for their national team.
Ronaldo has enough money shit
In a couple years this "madridistas" will treat Casillas just like they are saying shit about Raul & Guti and was about Salgado.
How Hierro left was disgraceful.
Reply to Madrid4Life:
If you seriously think that Raul is Madrid's only problem, then you have made your point already. Given the fact that you have already voiced this opinion on countless occasions, I have started to question whether you have anything else to add to this blog. That doesn't seem to be the case, so I would ask you to spare us instead of spewing out the same mindless drivel after every single match that Madrid plays. Think of something else to say for a change. I don't think Higuain or Benzema have been anywhere near to our strongest players. Higuain has been rather inconsistent and Benzema has been consistently average.
Also, by the way, you are the one with your head in the sand. And by the look of it, you are only digging yourself into a deeper hole.
Reply to Caracoleo:
Regarding the right to criticize players, I think there is a real difference between constructive criticism and what is happening to Raul.
I think people rightly want to see Benzema prove himself, which in my opinion he has not. Raul, on the other hand, is the most proven player on the team. I realize that you and Madrid4Life are just complete Benzema fanboys, but I really think that he hasn't justified a starting spot every game. So far he is playing like a striker worth about half of what we paid for him.
Raul has not been playing poorly until this year. I really should not even have to explain that to someone who follows Real Madrid, but Raul scores a lot of goals. That is a good thing. He was one of our better players last season and the season before.
Reply to Caracoleo:
We were already up 3-0. That in itself is enough reason to take off strikers. If you really want Higuain and Benzema to start, then you should understand why they might need a rest here and there. If just taking off Kaka ruins our passing game and bringing on Raul breaks up our attack, WE CLEARLY HAVE OTHER PROBLEMS. OUR TEAM SHOULD BE ABLE TO PASS AND ATTACK WHETHER OR NOT KAKA AND RAUL ARE ON THE PITCH. Really, what kind of team do you expect this to be? What nonsense. In case they played too well? Wow, good point. Not. If you are just going to blindly bench Raul, that does not sound like an even playing field. I do think we all, with the exception of Madrid4Life, can agree on the rest. Even though some of the statements are wholly redundant.
Reply to Adambader:
I'm going to have to agree with TheAngelOfMadrid. At the time it was the logical substitution. But the red card changed everything. And we have no way of knowing what other subs Pellegrini might have made before the red card. It seemed a solid choice at the moment, but we were misfortunate.
starting line up for the alcocron game
dudek
arbeloa pepe albiol marcelo
higuain diarra lass
kaka
raul and ruud
Reply to W335Y09:
yeah I just read that on MARCA and that is an all out attack I just hope Marcelo can play well at left back.. and Higuain Kaka Raul and RVN can knock in a lot of goals.. and on the bench we have VDV,Granero ad basically the only attack minded options
The game today will be on Goltv so you can watch it on Veetle
Reply to Ryan McManus:
Every other problem in Madrid is minor and can be fixed.
Can we say that Marcelo is a bad player? I dare you!
He has so much potential and in the next coming years he can only get better; and he has gotten better since he joined.
Raul on the other hand is getting slower and slower and slower. While he gets more trophies and more trophies and more trophies. Whats funny is the praise he gets; the records he's breaking are all individual.
We don't even know what Rauls role in the formation is. Is he a goal poacher? clearly not; he leaves the box and sometimes comes all the way to our midfield. Although I do believe that inside the box is the most suitable position for him to play a ball scavenging role like Inzaghi.
What I see Raul trying to do is confusing. He takes Kaka's role; and then he has no speed or dribbling skills whatsoever. Then we have Kaka who goes; "and whats my role then?".
I want you to watch our last 3 games where Raul was benched and consider how much life Kaka has turned out to have; which raises alot of questions. At one point didn't we all criticize Kaka's form? His performance in the 3 games have braught him praise. You get my point.
You think I criticize Raul after every match? You are so wrong. I was backing Raul before the season when everyone said "Oh we're gonna lose higuan and benzema just like we lost michael owen"
Right now though; their is no room to give credit for Raul; because infact he was on the verge of ruining Higuans career and on the verge of ruining our season. God bless Pellegrini's super human powers though.
Reply to Caracoleo:
Again you hit the nail in the casket; *slow dramatic claps*
OFFICIAL Lineup:
-----Dudek------
Arbeloa---Pepe---Albiol---Marcelo
-------Diarra-----Lass
---Higuain------------Kaka
-------Raul---van Nistelrooy
Reply to Madridista09:
The Portugese FA and heck even Barcelona sided with real madrid on this one. So why don't real madrid supporters?
Anyway I agree national team is more important but you should NEVER play an injured player. (Especially after all those hocus pocus stories)
Reply to Madrid4Life:
Now this is criticism given in a respectable way. No jerseys involved
Alcorcon post is up
LINK
Reply to Daniel:
Agreed, If he is fit, he should play for his national team, but he is injured. Common sense, people, common sense!
Reply to Adambader:
I'm going to make sure now that I buy you a jersey when Raul retires lol
Reply to Madrid4Life:
I will make sure to take you to the Bernabeu, see Rau'ls last game, meet him in person and tell him how much he sucked. And you'll go back with a signed jersey
Reply to Madridista09:
Only if casillas acts like an arsehole. If he plays rubbish, yet us constantly in goal for madrid - then naturally people will get angry.
As for how Hierro left - that was his fault. He thought he ran the dressing room. He thought he was in charge.
Florentino just showed him that he wasn't. Just another has been footballer too big for his boots.
Club first. Always.