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Juventus 2-1 Real Madrid | Champions League Review

Tuesday, 21 October 08, 09:45 PM · Comments (25)

Ruud Van Nistelrooy scores against Juventus

As I expected, Juventus gave a hell of a game. Although they had many players injured, each player on the pitch was a "key player".

Just five minutes after the kick-off, Del Piero scored a fantastic goal from 25 yards. How did the ball get to him is beyond me, but what I know is that the midfield was absolutely crap. I'm not a professional coach but playing with Sneijder, Gago and Van Der Vaart at the same time was a big mistake.

Why was it a big mistake? Well, because neither Sneijder nor Van Der Vaart would go back and recover the ball. It is not their job and they are not always capable of doing it throughout a match in the first place. This was Gago's job and he sucked at it.

That's where Diarra was missing. Gago, with all due respect, is not a Real Madrid Player or at least he isn't yet. People say he is a good assist and I don't think he made any effective passes tonight. Sneijder worked his ass-off while Gago was watching.

If I were Schuster, I would have started with Javi Garcia or De La Red instead. I know that both of them can't do Diarra's job but at least they would have been better than Gago.

Another thing which I thought was stupid was playing with three strikers while the midfield wasn't that strong and effective to feed those strikers. If Robben wasn't fit then he wouldn't have came in the second half or made the squad in the first place so why the hell he didn't start?

When he came in later, he did an amazing job. I think he was definitely our best player in addition to Sneijder who is getting to full match fitness very quickly.

Amauri scored Juve's second goal from a header. Heinze could do nothing about it but he actually helped him a bit. I thought it was wrong to start with Heinze. I'm not being jerky to Schuster here, but Marcelo would have done a better job had he started.

Heinze looked like a 19 year old who was having his first match with a first team. Nervous, always rushing and confused. I don't know If you agree with me on this but I think he was crap.

We can't blame Ruud or Rau'l tonight because they were simply isolated especially in the first half. In the second half, after Robben came on, they improved a little bit.

Van Nistelrooy scored our only goal from a header. I was screaming when I saw the ball in the back of the net, while my Dad (who was supporting Juventus - pure Italian) was shouting "Damn it, I hate this guy, he never misses" LOL.

I thought we'd equalize but it just didn't happen. Sneijder gave it a shot a few times and one of his strikes hit the post. He was totally frustrated.

Drenthe came in for Van Der Vaart. He didn't have much to do. I think Schuster thought he'd re-create what he did against Atletico, but here is a little tip from a little kid, Schuster: when Italians are winning, and it is just a few minutes before the final whistle, don't bother. Of course this isn't always true and you could actually win in injury time, but generally, it is difficult to do it against an Italian team and Juventus were a typical Italian team tonight. I say kudos to Raniari for a hell of a lineup he chose tonight. I wonder If he had our players in his hands, how would his lineup be?

Anyway, it wasn't that bad and we are not in a difficult position. Actually we are better than we were a few years ago, especially in the Champions League. Now the team should concentrate on the game against Atletico Bilbao, that is a must-win game for me.

Thats all from me. I'd love to hear what you have to say on tonight's game.

Hala Madrid!

Juventus Manninger   Grygera   Molinaro   Legrottaglie   Mellberg 48'   Chiellini   Momo Sissoko   Marchionni   Nedved   Marchisio  
Salihamidzic 37'  
Del Piero Gol 5'
Amauri Gol 51'
Iaquinta 80'  
Real Madrid Casillas   Sergio Ramos   Pepe   Cannavaro   Heinze   Gago   Sneijder   Van der Vaart   Drenthe 78'   Raúl  
Van Nistelrooy Gol 68'
Higuaín  
Robben 56'  

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davorreal
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1. davorreal Wrote: | 00.30BST | Oct 22, 2008

From the beginning I felt that this game was "to be or not to be" for Juve!I think their whole season somehow depended on this match!
We did not expect that and were scared and confused!We are not expirienced enough,for the biggest results in CL we still need some time and one player!
I am not very sad coz they won,t be happy after Madrid revenge at all!

realfreak
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2. realfreak Wrote: | 01.02BST | Oct 22, 2008

Schiter mistakes
1.ROBBEN SHOULD'VE BEEN A STARTER! notice how the game changed when he came on.
2. DelaRed should've started instead of gago
3.Marcelo in place of heinze would've been great and save us from conceding that goal.
4.Raul should've been on the bench. To me TIIC at Madrid think that having him keep trying to score in CL games so he can be the player with the most goals is stupid. if he was on the bench, Ruud and higuain and Robben would be up front.
5. Leaving Saviola behind.
6. He used his 3 main strikers to start. Dumb move.
7. His formation sucked.
8. Taking off VanDerVaart
Even though real had most posession.....they sucked. Sad to say. I started enjoying the game when Robben came on and then Ruud scored the goal I began to believe that we could've salvaged a draw atleast but it was not to be.
Hard Luck. juve. see you in the Bernabeau :|

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3. morzzan Wrote: | 02.35BST | Oct 22, 2008

yup... 2-1! Game over. When the hell are we ever gonna play good football? We can't win properly against a decent team, let alone a good one. I mean, I am sure United would have thrashed Juve on the same day. There is a much less experienced team called arsenal destroying fenerbache with 5 goals! Lyon with 5, and really, how much more frustrating could it possibly be? Why bernd played Nistelrooy on the left is beyond me, really, he is still the only striker worth speaking about in our team. Why Schuster isn't playing Robben - Sneijder - Vaart in the midfield is something science fiction writers might take up as topics for their new novels. Pepe is still awful, really, he is making too many mistakes to be on such a good team, our 2 CBs should definitely up their game. Our midfield wasn't too bad today, has to be said. Sneijder was amazing, I liked Gago, Vaart was ok, though I liked his shot from long range. Now comes the time for the strikers. Van Nistelrooy, has to be handed to him, never fails to impress. Always plays hard, has an amazing eye for goal and most importantly, scores and is a team player. Despite of his age, he is as wonderful as ever. Now, we had 2 other strikers in today's line up, Higuain and Raul. Ill start with the player I dislike the most in our squad, Higuain. The guy is simply horrendous, I cannot hate him more, unlike RVN, he never fails to disappoint. Really, I was watching the game, and he got the ball in the right flank, now, there are 3 defenders on him, a normal (normal = not messi.. ;) ) would pass the ball to a better option, but Noooooooo, he has to take all 3 by himself. THere were more than one occasion when he tried to do too much by himself which resulted in him losing the ball. Now, this is not good by any means. He really is a joke, his finishing skills are worth laughing at. Really, i hate a solo player, and a solo player Higuain is!

Alex
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4. Alex Wrote: | 03.13BST | Oct 22, 2008

Reply to realfreak:

Schiter mistakes
1.ROBBEN SHOULD'VE BEEN A STARTER! notice how the game changed when he came on.
2. DelaRed should've started instead of gago
3.Marcelo in place of heinze would've been great and save us from conceding that goal.
4.Raul should've been on the bench. To me...

WOW you hit it on the head it wasn't so much as the players losing it as Shuster loosing it for the players with his dumb line up he actually thought he was going to go into Juventus's home and play with 3 up front and 3 in the middle to hold the attack, you see what happened to Real when we played with the 4 in the midfield in the second half we controlled the game but wow Sneijder and Gago played very well. Shuster grow some balls take Raul out.

RealMadrid4Ever
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5. RealMadrid4Ever Wrote: | 05.44BST | Oct 22, 2008

I think we played good but we were unlucky. I guess the main problem was prior to Robben coming in all the attacks came through Heinze????? It was mostly from the left wing!!!

I think Heinze had a terrible game. His defense was a bit off!!

Can someone tell me why Raul wasn't substituted instead of Higuain!!! How much did Raul contribute in the second half? I think Schuster needs to get more BALLZ and take Raul out when he is not affective! Give Higuain more time to develop! Give Saviola a chance!

I think if Higuain was still in when Robben came in that it would of been a different game.


thedangerzolo
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6. thedangerzolo Wrote: | 08.12BST | Oct 22, 2008

For God's sake , RAUL RETIRE . I was covering the game and I was really really surprised how schuster was tactically outclassed .. man I wish I was old enough when Del Bosque was in office .. those were days .

HalaMadrid
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7. HalaMadrid Wrote: | 09.41BST | Oct 22, 2008

You're right, Marcelo should've have started and so should've De La Red but the problem was Robben couldn't have started or we could have risked losing him again :( One, thing, Raul played MUCH better than both Higuain AND RVN, he didn't score but he was big trouble for Juve and he's still got it in him so stop criticizing him. I didn't imagine that such a day would come when people would start insulting Il Capitano, he's a legend and I would never think to doubt him :\ It just wasn't meant to be but i'm sure that if we can chop up our full-strangth side for the next match then Juve will have something coming their way on the 31st. Good effort though, we haven't had too much experience with BIG teams lately and it was good to face one. No need to get worried, we're Real Madrid, we'll get back in style.....hopefully =D Hala Madrid!

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8. Walker Wrote: | 09.49BST | Oct 22, 2008

This was a very poor result and performance. I really was expecting at least a draw and probably a win, but we just never got going. Take nothing away from Juventus: They played very well and wanted the win more.

They're is still flaws in our team. Marcelo should (almost) always start before Heinze. Save for the closing games of last season it hasn't happened for Heinze at MADRID. His lack of possitioning and ability to read the game has cost us on several occasions. He cost us again tonight.

As much as i love him, Raul is past his prime. He had a great season last year, but that was his first really good season in four years and could have been nothing more than an indian summer. Sluggish and non-exsistent far too often already this season he seems to lack hunger and his old sparkle that made him so special. Now is the time for Saviola to get a chance. A good, naturaly talented player i believe he is and think he would be hungrier than Raul too.

A lot of you want Robben to start because he done well when he came on but he is definitley, in my opinion, better when used as a sub. If you look at all the games he's played well for us it has either been when he's came on as a sub or he's had a good first half then faded in the second half. For example last seasons 4-1 win over Barca. Good before half-time, non-exsistent after the break until he was subbed. He was the same at Chelsea.

Overall this was a wake-up call that we can't get away all the time with playing so substandard. I think Schuster needs to decide what his best eleven is and stick to it, certainly for the big games. Of course you need to rotate the squad every now and again to freshen things up, give players a chance or give players a rest, but a consistent starting eleven needs to gel.

HALA MADRID!!!

helmet_09
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9. helmet_09 Wrote: | 16.42BST | Oct 22, 2008

Heinze is a mere shadow of what he was at Man U. I agree with you all that Marcelo should start before Heinze. I dont know why we played a trident formation. The key to the game was controling the midfield. Gago had a horrible time dealing with this. He just came back from injury too. Javi or De la Red should have played in his position. Raul should have been taken out at halftime and why did Schuster leave out Saviola? Schuster should study this before the next phase of the CL. I know if we get knocked out in the next round Schuster is gone at the end of the season. Maybe Rijkaard should come... J/K.

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10. davorreal Wrote: | 19.47BST | Oct 22, 2008

a wordeating man

realfreak
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11. realfreak Wrote: | 19.47BST | Oct 22, 2008

The truth hurts!
one of three things.
1. you were neglected as a child and now you're trying to be noticed
2. you're trying to get someone pregnant with all that fuck
or
3. you're a faggit who likes to get fucked

You obvioulsy need some prayers in your life.....May the light so shine before you so can see where you're going.

thedangerzolo
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12. thedangerzolo Wrote: | 20.13BST | Oct 22, 2008

Ignore him , his comment will be removed .

amir
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13. amir Wrote: | 21.19BST | Oct 22, 2008

dont worry we are strong team we cant win evry singel game all i know is we shuod play with four midfilds anyone know about benzema i heard his close to barca

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14. Adambader Wrote: | 22.12BST | Oct 22, 2008

Reply to thedangerzolo:

Ignore him , his comment will be removed .

Comment removed - commenter banned. That was easy, simple and enjoyable =D

Adambader
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15. Adambader Wrote: | 22.19BST | Oct 22, 2008

Reply to davorreal:

From the beginning I felt that this game was "to be or not to be" for Juve!I think their whole season somehow depended on this match!
We did not expect that and were scared and confused!We are not expirienced enough,for the biggest results in CL we still need some time and one player!
I...

I highly disagree with you on this one. It is untrue that we are not experienced enough. We are actually the most experienced team in the tournament (having won it many times, and having players such as Ruud, Rau'l, Casillas, Cannavaro..etc), what we lack is "proper" decisions from the coach's side.

Bernd Schuster is undeniably a good coach. However, in the last few weeks he has made some wrong calls. In our match against Juventus he started with three strikers with a week midfield which consisted of Gago, Sneijder and VDV.

Sneijder's and VDV's job was to provide assists, open up the opposing defense and score goals. Gago's job was to recover balls.

What we lacked is the ability to keep and recover ball possession, especially in the first half. I think If Diarra played, it would have been different.

Also as I said in my post, there was no reason to start with Rau'l, Higuain and Nistelrooy all at once. He should have started with Robben or De La Red in central midfield.

Our squad is great. I know whom you are referring to "one player" No we don't need Ronaldo.

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16. Adambader Wrote: | 22.21BST | Oct 22, 2008

Reply to morzzan:

yup... 2-1! Game over. When the hell are we ever gonna play good football? We can't win properly against a decent team, let alone a good one. I mean, I am sure United would have thrashed Juve on the same day. There is a much less experienced team called arsenal destroying fenerbache with 5 goals!...

No United wouldn't have done better than we did if they played in the same way. Juventus gave a hell of a fight and their coach was smarter than ours.

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17. Adambader Wrote: | 22.23BST | Oct 22, 2008

Reply to helmet_09:

Heinze is a mere shadow of what he was at Man U. I agree with you all that Marcelo should start before Heinze. I dont know why we played a trident formation. The key to the game was controling the midfield. Gago had a horrible time dealing with this. He just came back from injury too. Javi or De la...

Yes, Saviola is being ignored and that sucks. I don't really know why is that and where Schuster is going with this.

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18. Adambader Wrote: | 22.28BST | Oct 22, 2008

Reply to HalaMadrid:

You're right, Marcelo should've have started and so should've De La Red but the problem was Robben couldn't have started or we could have risked losing him again :( One, thing, Raul played MUCH better than both Higuain AND RVN, he didn't score but he was big trouble for Juve and he's still got it in...

Well, I don't think that I or one of my readers has ever insulted Rau'l. We only objectively criticizes him and his performances on the pitch.

This is how football works. You always have to put the team's best interest before everything else. If I was Schuster and Rau'l wasn't performing well, I'd simply bench him and let other player give it a shot.

This is how Capello success. He did that at Juventus, at Real and now with England. For the first time in Great England's history they are four matches unbeaten.

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19. pablo Wrote: | 00.59BST | Oct 23, 2008

Schuster is real shit.....that's all i hav to say

MadridIndo
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20. MadridIndo Wrote: | 05.35BST | Oct 23, 2008

It was a sad game, i just can't believed el real play that bad, with that kind of performance, i become pessimistic, that we can win our tenth CL title. Juve even play not in their best line-up, and we still can't go thru their defense. one thing which make me so mad to schuster is that he's not even considering to give the chance to Saviola. Raul never touch the ball that night, Higuain is not in his best form, RVN simply can't work alone, Robben is a good sub, but Drenthe, he might be a very prospective player, but in such a decisive match like that, we also need decisive player too. Now, i become agree with davorreal, for his opinion that we need a world class player, a player that can change the team's play. i was actually hoping at the duet of Sneijder-VDV, but they simply make me down that night, WE NEED NEW PLAYER THIS JANUARY! HALA MADRID

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21. davorreal Wrote: | 11.00BST | Oct 23, 2008

Reply to Adambader:

Reply to davorreal:

From the beginning I felt that this game was "to be or not to be" for Juve!I think their whole season somehow depended on this match!
We did not expect that and were scared and confused!We are not expirienced enough,for the biggest results in CL we still need some time and one player!
I...

I highly disagree with you on this one. It is untrue that we are not experienced enough. We are actually the most experienced team in the tournament (having won it many times, and having players such as Ruud, Rau'l, Casillas, Cannavaro..etc), what we lack is "proper" decisions from the coach's...

Well I really like Your optimism!
And totally agree that Juve was invincible that night!That is
a power,they played nothing but you can do nothing against them!A power of italian clubs!Somehow they were "fighting for life",you can not beat a man who is fighting for life!
And yes we have expirienced players,but we are not expirienced as a team,that is possible!
We need a good injection,I would like to have Ronaldo,but if
not,that could be someone else,Benzema,Di Maria etc.
This team is still an excellent material to improving and upgrading!For the 10.title!Hala Madrid =D

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22. thedangerzolo Wrote: | 12.05BST | Oct 23, 2008

Schuster .. lack the experience in the Champion leauge , I mean playing a team like Juve's even if they are losing 10 games straight they are still so dangerous .. If I were him I would have played defensivly on that mathc

pablo
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23. pablo Wrote: | 13.20BST | Oct 23, 2008

real madrid suppose to be one of the biggest club in the world of football like man u, Barcelona,Chelsea these teams are really play some good football this year..we are no way at the level of football these are playing at..look at the man u game..that the of type of football and the level we should be playing at ,,,for aclub the size of real madrid and we real think we can win the pl and the cl this year ..i don't think so not with the football we're play real madird is yet to inpress me this season..we hav good plays but the coach who promise good one touch football is yet to convince he can.......a real madrid fan

schusterisadipshyt
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24. schusterisadipshyt Wrote: | 03.19GMT | Oct 26, 2008

SCHUSTER SUCK A COCK

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25. daniel Wrote: | 10.09GMT | Nov 6, 2008

Reply to helmet_09:

Heinze is a mere shadow of what he was at Man U. I agree with you all that Marcelo should start before Heinze. I dont know why we played a trident formation. The key to the game was controling the midfield. Gago had a horrible time dealing with this. He just came back from injury too. Javi or De la...

if salgado has sterted that march would have been so

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