Real Madrid Cantera: The Tree Which Bears Fruit for Others
Saturday, 13 June 09, 09:16 AM · Comments (159)
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- Diego Lopez (Goalkeeper - Villareal)
- Samuel Eto'o (Striker - FC Barcelona)
- Juan Mata (Left Winger - Valencia)
- Alvaro Negredo (Striker - Almeria)
- Alvaro Arbeloa (Right Back - Liverpool)
- David Moreno (Right Winger - Almeria) (He is known as the Messi of Spain although he's just 17)
- Jose Manuel Jurado (Attacking Midfielder - Atletico Madrid loaned to Mallorca)
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Any serious updates on David Villa transfer.. Ive been hearing 25 plus Negredo
This article can be found on Bleacher Report:
LINK
And as for Twitter: LINK
Breaking News according to this report David Villa is officialy off to Real Madrid its a Italian paper but Antena 3 a Spanish paper also reports the same thing.. LINK
Reply to Madridista4:
That site looks fishy to me...
Well Valencia have denied that there is an agreement for David Villa as some reports published today but did confirm that there are negotiations going on .. LINK
some guys from Real Madrid are in South Africa to try n work something out with Maicon who is on inter national duty with Brazil .
LINK
Hey man why is the Villa deal taking so long??
I'm tired of waiting...it is also hindering talks with other players we need to sign. Villa deal must be completed soon..
Of all the players who have left Real, I want to hit Eto'o on the head with a bat! That's how much I hate him for joining Barca. Those bastards talk about him as he were a Catalan youth product. Damn those mother f*****!!!
Also I think Portillo was the best of all the Real Madrid youth players in recent years. Like so many others, his career was sabotaged by Raul Bloody Gonzalez!
On a side note, there's a couple of stories over at The Sun UK regarding attempts being made to pry Xabi Alonso from Liverpool. Make of them what you will:
1. LINK
2. LINK
Personally, I'd be a bit more partial to making an attempt to get Javier Mascherano instead, but that would be just my opinion.
Strange you should mention this now. Real Madrid U-18s just won the U-18 World Club Championships after beating - EAT THIS - Barcelona U-18s.
[insert several choice expletives here]
So that means our U-18s are the best in the world. Let me repeat that. Our U-18s are the best in the world.
Grawwh!
David Villa deal to be announce on Monday.. graham hunter a spanish journalist says that the deal will be David Villa and Raul Albiol for 50 million plus Negredo and Granero.. watch this video.. LINK
Reply to phantompong:
Beautiful!!
I Hear that we are trying to sign maicon. Maicon is a great player, but that is the 1 out of two positions we really dont need reinforcements(the other is GK). For me Ramos is the best right back out there, but as a central defender he doesnt say much, even though he started from that position. So signing maicon wouldn be worth it, better go for a left back that we really need and a centre back.
Seems they reached a stumbling block with valencia.
LINK
Reply to jordi:
yeah Cadena Ser reports that we offered valencia 25 million plus Negredo and they rejected it because they want 30 mill plus Negredo.. and it says we have opened negotiations for Diego Forlan and Karim Benzema LINK
I'm no Barca fan and no Madrid fan either, but I think this is absurd. I know this is a Madrid site but that doesn't mean you can't be logical right? The best youth system comprises of both the best youth players and the best youth policy. I think it's generally accepted that Barca have the best youth policy in the world, but I also think they have the best youth products.
That list of Madrid's former and current canteranos is great but look at Barca's list:
1- Xavi
2- Iniesta
3- Messi
4- Bojan
5- Busquets
6- Valdes
7- Pique
8- Puyol
Then you look at the players that have left and you see:
1- Fabregas
2- Mikel Arteta
3- Pepe Reina
4- Ivan De La Pena
5- Daniel Guiza
6- Thiago Motta
7- Sergio Garcia
You take those players and compare it to the players Madrid has produced, and there's no comparison really.
the maicon rumours make me anxious as everyone seems to understand that we need a left back now. Maicon is excellent but i personally still prefer Sergio Ramos - who is the best defender in the world in my eye. i can't imagine if we are still able to play 4 defenders once Maicon arrives since i don't think putting him as a leftback is a wise move. if no leftback is signed and albiol really comes like what the sky sport news said, the only solution i can think of is to play a dynamic 3-4-3 or 3-5-2. That's something sounds crazy to most of the people and something that would not likely happen. And i personally don't even think that would be the best for us but i will still like to point it out again(once i had mentioned it with my previous nickname "Anti-Mijatovic"):
----------------------Casillas--------------------
---------Pepe------Raul Albiol-------S.Ramos------
Maicon--------Lass--------(Xabi)DCM--------Marcelo
--------C.Ronaldo(Higuain)------Kaka(Higuain)-----
-------------------Villa(Higuain)-----------------
so unfortunately, my favorite Pipita will be likely to be dropped from the starting lineup since i can't think of any place he can fit in once we've got Kaka, CR, and Villa(ONLY IN THIS IDEAL FORMATION).
MARCA says that since deal for Villa has hit a road block we are after Forlan and Benzema
Reply to Sevillista:
besides messi , iniesta , xavi puyol de la pena and fabregas none of thsose players you've named are special yes that includes bojan
so now lemme name some madrid canteranos ...just a few
diego lopez
granero
mata
negredo
arbeloa
cambiasso
david moreno
canizares
raul
guti
raul bravo
casillas
valdo
eto'o
I have seen that at times, maicon or dani alves when playing for brazil, one of them plays left back, a bit like lahm, since lahm is also right footed. this formation might work:
Casillas,
Ramos, Pepe, Albiol, Maicon,
Lass, Alonso,
Ronaldo, Kaka, Higuain
Villa
Again, I'm all for a logical discussion.
You can't possibly name players like David Moreno, Valdo, Negredo, Arbeloa, Mata, and Granero and at the same time discredit the likes of Bojan, Busquets, Pique, Sergio Garcia, Reina, and Arteta.
And it isn't like Barca's youth players are average. Their starting linuep for the Champions League final did contain 7 canteranos, and they dominated the previous holders.
Reply to Madridista4:
This is what i learnt also that David's deal will be officially announced on monday. I cant really wait for the news. Los Blankos for life
Reply to Sevillista:
Please name all the 7!
Nobody is discrediting anyone, I have just named the the good players who could have played instead of the Dutch!
Do you not know that many great talents are still there in Cantera!!!
These are not all the good names, I might have missed out a few!
Reply to realmadrid_a10:
it might work out!! however, In the Brazil national team, D.Alvez is more likely to be played on the left than Maicon, but it doesn't mean Maicon couldn't work out too. But I believe it takes time for him to get used to it. At least we can't expect him to be as productive as when he is playing his essential right back position.
as what u said, Lahm is the best example. He initially started his career as a right back but he is forced to repace Lizarazu's LB position later(like how Santon is playing in Inter now). He turned out to be the best in the world now. But i don't know about Maicon since he had never seen him playing on the left, even in the national team.
According to AS David Villa says he just wants to play for Real Madrid .. but the deal has hit a road block because valencia are wanting more than Perez is offering
Reply to themadridguy:
i m true an of barcelona n i cant hear anyfin against barcelona plz mind ur fukin language n let me tellu hes not catalan doesnt make any diffrence
after all hes human n he is top scorer of barcelona season 2009
he is the best n he ll b the best either he stay or leave its him choice
u r real fan to stick wiv it dont come to barcelona u wont stay alive loll
Reply to AndresMadrid:
I thought Cambiasso was from Argentina!
Reply to Sevillista:
Plz mate don't kiss up to our rivals Barca here. That is not appreciated at all!
Reply to zee:
Hey dude my comments were not meant for ur eyes. This is a "Madridista" blog after all, if U didn't notice already!
So don't bitch around here! 
Wtf is going on ?? I hear Villa deal is stalled and now we are offering Higuain+ cash to Inter for Ibra, also we are after Forlan too..... that means our beloved forwards Higuain and Hunter are on their way out. What the hell is wrong with Valdano and Perez?? This is SO WRONG dude!
It seems Man U ar making a bid for Torres. In that case we should also go after him if Villa doesn't come. Forlan is just too old.
.. a man who has said "Real Madrid are my team, I dream of playing for them." 
In the end if none of the forwards we are after come to us, then we should sign Karim Benzema..
Let us fulfil his dream folks!
Reply to themadridguy:
LOL! I hear we are ready to give Sneijder+ cash for Maicon. That is absurd... it should be the other way round. That is, Maicon+ cash for Sneijder.
I agree with this post. Eto'o hurt... Look where he is now. We have good players in castilla. The problem is we dont play them. We had Cambiasso come up from our ranks...
Barcelona are not scared to play and start their young players. The last couple games they started with atleast 4 youth players. That is how Messi, Xavi,Iniesta,Puyol, and bojan are so good. Why do you think they're so good today? They got chances and their coaches gave trust.
From Castilla i really like how Adam Szlai plays. Also Bueno, Acuna, Palanca, Adan, Gary, Daniel Opare could be real good...
We should play the youngsters in copa del rey games...
Reply to themadridguy:
Wtf are we going after Alvaro Arbeloa??
Reply to themadridguy:
Yes, i just read that article on goal.com I think it's stupid to even try consider selling Higuain.
I wouldnt swap Higuain with Zlatan! Look at his ego! Ronald is enough already.....
I hope its just media talk, because if they swap i will be heartbroken. Higuain is the best u-21 striker in the world no doubt. Pato or benzema dont come close. In 2-3 seasons Higuain will be the best striker in the world if given playing time like this season but more!
I really think Perez is smart enough to not do this... For God sake dont sell Higuain and get Zlatan!
Reply to themadridguy:
We should make strong push for Lucio. It's almost impossible to have him leave Bayern....
Vidic may leave Man united too....
Plus MAn utd are interest in Arjen Robben.. Something could be worked out.
Reply to themadridguy:
Dont Worry Higuain isnt going anywhere , Valdano himself confirmed in an interview a few weeks ago that he is part of our future ..
To add to the list above, you forgot Juanfran and Soldado... every other week I was hearing commentators remarking how well a former RM youth product was playing against RM. There's no point comparing RM youth and Barca youth - both are among the best in the world, no question. The comparison is meaningless.
I'm sick of people praising Barcelona's youth players. The blogger is right, their youth players are good but where they have the advantage over us is their policy of actually playing those players in the first team. And don't forget! Our U-18s are the best in the world now - better than Barcelona's. Now if only they were to get a chance to play. Reckon we'll be seeing any of these guys in a few years?
You know what - let's stop listening to speculation and just wait for official word. Can't remember who it was who said "the press links us with hundreds of players, of course one or two of them are actually going to come" - doesn't mean we're really going to buy everyone. Fact is we have no control over transfer policy so let's just watch and see what happens. Good to hear that Higuain isn't going anywhere.
Reply to Madridista4:
No way Granero put Guti in that transfer.
Granero is great player.
hhh Real want to swap our best player last season Higuain for Ibrahimocic and plus cash.
here is the link
LINK
The thing about Higuan that disturbs me is the size of his ass... Ok i'm not gay or anything but anyone notice how it got bigger this season? H'e only 21 @_@. Whats gonna happen when he's 27... I say swap em for ibra... Ibra is galactico material... He'll score some captain tsubasa type goal for us someday ^_^
Reply to Riken:
Esteban Granero deserves to play for Real Madrid once more.However im concerned that with Parejo and De La Red already occupying that special cantera breakthrough role, Granero just might not find a space.
Reply to flynn:
DLR might retire and not play at all and besides Granero can play on the wings too as a sub for Ronaldo,Robben and Kaka
Reply to themadridguy:
the transfer rumors are getting a little bit absurd now.
Chasing Maicon when we have Sergio Ramos !
Chasing Ibrahimovic when we have Higuain !
Chasing Alonso when we have Ruben De La Red !
Chasing Villa when we have Huntelaar !
*i would just like to say that their goal-scoring
rate are about the same.
What about the poor defence that we have to improve?
Reply to Danniel:
i thought there is a major progress with his heart problem.he did played a football game recently,right ?
Is the new Valencia President retard or something?? First he pulled off Silva from the transfer market and now he is pricing Villa out of the market. And I thought Valencia was a club in dire need of funds.
Mr. Perez, plz purchase entire Valencia CF for 131 million dollars! Then we would have all the players we want- Villa, Silva, Albiol and even Mata!
Who else likes my idea ?
villa and ibra...and i heard we already have deal next year to buy ribery and karim benezema...
Reply to Madrids_Martyr:
I couldn't follow you there! What are U trying to say? That he is fat? Plz make yourself clear.
Reply to anayth:
Link?
The offer I heard from a Spanish expert graham hunter I like it and I believe we should offer them it.. 50 million plus Granero and Negredo.. for Villa and Albiol because this way we would get Villa and also a world class centre back who is only 23
Can anyone tell me which Castilla players are there in the Euro U-21 Championships for Spain?
I'm hoping there are some...
Reply to themadridguy:
Adan the GK, Miguel Torres, Javi Garcia, Esteban Granero
Add to that Jurado, our former youth player. I checked out the UEFA site myself... infact Barca have less players than us, and they brag about their Cantera... Fools those idiots.
Btw what happened to former Champs Netherlands?
Reply to themadridguy:
*Netherlands have not qualified for these championships somehow.. instead shit teams like Belarus, Serbia and Finland have. No offense to people of these countries though!
Reply to Madridista4:
I don't know how to generate that link.. newbie to the site. But can you go to dailymail website ( read article - Costa fortune club: £34m Villa deal will take Madrid's spending to £170m in six days , 4th para).. for benezema..
Any word on when Ronaldo will be in Madrid
Reply to Madridista4:
Ribery next season deal is in the newsofthework dot co dot uk website ...
Reply to Madridista4:
End of the month.. Kaka is in south africa.. the word is that both of them would be revealed in a single press conference..
Reply to flynn:
Sorry if he played a game I don't know about it then....the last thing I read was that he was waiting for results which I imagine haven't arrived yet...if he can play than that would be awesome
Reply to anayth:
dude just copy the address from the address bar and paste it in the comment box! It will magicly appear as "LINK" when u click on "Submit Comment".
I hope we can get a deal done for Villa because it appears that we had an agreement with valencia but now they have backed out and are asking more
On a side note, when are we gonna make it official that Ronaldo is a Madrid player? And when is the official launch of the 2009-10 kit?
Reply to Madridista4:
Why doesn't Perez give his own 15-20 million Euros so that we can buy Villa for the increased price.
I am tired of this transfer.
Reply to themadridguy:
I dont think he can give his own money maybe we can add Saviola to the transfer
it looks like barcelona are now negotiating for Villa
Thanks
This article talks about Benezema ( next year move)..
LINK
Zidane has asked Ribery to Join Real -
LINK
Real's move for Ribery
LINK
Reply to Madridista4:
Link ? I thought they were behind Ibra .. Looks like now we are behind Ibra and they are going for Villa ..
Personally I think Villa is better and we should even go for 35 MM offer.. But in Perez we trust..
Barcelona are to scared to show the big money. They wont offer no more then 40M euros. Unless they throw in some youngsters.
In some Brazil games, Maicon played LB. Maybe Perez is buying Maicon for LB! Phillip Lahm is right footed and plays LB!
So it wont mean Ramos leaving or playing centre back, it means that Maicon could play the Left Back.
Haha written by Sid Lowe...this is a classic...
Stupidest accusation: Ramón Calderón's paranoid rant about Pérez posing with Zidane and Ronaldo. Madrid's president started raving about how no one ever showed photos of Pérez with his less successful players. Where's the one, he bawled, of Pérez handing the white shirt to Antonio Cassano – the man who "dedicated himself to increasing the birth rate and fomenting prostitution"? It would have been a good point, only Calderón had forgotten one, vital thing: the man who presented Cassano wasn't Pérez at all. It was one of his directors. A director by the name of Ramón Calderón.
What I'd really like to see is CR7 own Messi's ass in El-Clasico!!
Messi is the emblem of Barca's arrgogance!
Reply to themadridguy:
* arrogance
This whole Ibra-Villa-Forlan-Ribery-Alonso-Silva-Maicon-Albiol-Arbeloa transfer circus is driving me nuts. Why don't Perez and Valdano come out and say who their targets are in order of priority like 1. 2. 3. ...
I thought we had sent medics to check on Ronaldo...what? Their plane got crashed over the Atlantic or what??
No news on that front too!
That old rotting piece of flesh named Alex Ferguson is apparently going after Silva! That would be gross if this deal happens. Perez buckle up man!
Reply to themadridguy:
I think that if we dont get Villa we should work a deal with inter player deal like Robben, and Sneijder and maybe little cash for Ibrahimovic
The summer is long but its better the faster we get the players obviously because training starts July 10th and its better for everyone to get use to each other earlier and to the new coach.. we still need to make like 4 or 5 signings
I would like either Villa or Ibrahimovic , then either Ribery or Silva, then 2 defenders Albiol, and Maicon most likely
Reply to flynn:
Villa and Huntelaar are totally different types of strikers.
Reply to Madridista4:
I don't think Valdano know what the hell he wants!
Drifting from one player to another, saying Pellegrini will decide the signings, criticising our youth system....LOL!
Reply to flynn:
De La Red is suffering from a heart condition. It is extremely unlikely that he will continue to play professional football. Especially after what happened to Antonio Puerta...
Valencia are trying to play hardball with Florentino. They want 40 million Euros plus Negredo. Well they can stick that...
No doubt Villa is class. But he is 28.
Benzema on the other hand is younger. cheaper and just as good! The most complete forward player in the world.
Reply to Caracoleo:
Correction! Make that 50 million plus Negredo!
Here is MARCA Monday front page,,LINK
the rumourous "Ibra and Higuain swap" is absurb!! the only striker who is worth it for us to do so is Fernando Torres. Other than that, hell no!!
Reply to DynastyofRealMadrid:
new report on whats happening on the deal with Villa and Forlan as a option and also it says that Kaka, and Ronaldo presentations are scheduled for July 1st here is the .. LINK
Wtf is this:
LINK
Reply to Caracoleo:
I thought he has recovered and able to play again.
He is one of the best cantera players in recent years.
Still, Granero is an option.
Hey everyone, when is Ronaldo officially becoming a Real player like Kaka??
Also they said Villa deal was to be made official on Monday, what happened?
the deal is terminated and ronaldo is already an official player!!there is nothin to worry>>>i still cant figure out why r we going after forlan when we already have higauin and van goal
The Villa deal is completely off! valencia. a team in dire need of cash are trying to hoodwink Madrid and Florentino is not having it. Good for him. It would have set a dangerous precedent.
I just wish he would focus on Benzema instead of Forlan!
Reply to trooper:
Looks like our transfers have come to a jolting halt. It sucks!!
Reply to DynastyofRealMadrid:
The thing isn't that we already have Huntelaar....it's that we already have Higuain,RVN,Raul,Huntelaar,Negredo who will probably have to fill just one spot due to Kaka's arrival
Reply to Caracoleo:
Now if Villa goes to either Barcelona or Man Utd. that would haunt us for ages.
Why doesn't Perez just give them the extra 10 million Euros?
Reply to Caracoleo:
Man Utd is going after Benzema and Lyon reveals that Karim wants to stay in france for one more year. Moreover, I don't think Perez will chase Benzema regarding to the price. And Benzema is "not yet" a superstar in Perez's eyes while he has not had any impressive performance in big stages. I know he is superb in terms of quality and potential, but he is not yet as reliable as those like torres, villa and forlan. And i am so against the attempt of signing 30 year old Forlan. If we must sign a striker, we should go for a younger one. Villa is 28 although he is the best in my eye. Personally, I rather have a box striker to play with CR7 and Kaka. i am still not sure if Huntelaar can fulfill us. He is just like a Trezequet in my eye. He can have a very high score rate and can change the game with one touch. But wut i've seen from him so far is that he is not able to create space with attackers around him with strength and size. I prefer Drogba type of box striker who can give enormous pressure to the oppenent's backline and force them to turn over(even though he can't score sometimes, he always can create space for others).
What chance that we can get Torres?
Liverpool is also a club in financial stress?
yeh but what the diferrence in going for benzema rather than villa!!!the point is perez is not ready to spend more than 50 million again at least this summer and benzema would atleast cost 40 million plus another player indeal..i personnaly think signign ronaldo and kaka was easier for perez given that we spent two years chasing them...but let ssee if perez can really pull rabit out of hat by siging either benzema or villa
People plz don't tell me that after we get the forwards we are being linked with, we are still gonna start Raul? Like that would be totally absurd!
Reply to trooper01:
I thought we had signed Benzema for 25 mil pound for next year?
My deal to Valencia: Villa= 35 million Euros+ Saviola+RVN
Silva= Sneijder+10 million euros
Albiol= just buy him for cheap or add Heinze or Marcelo to the mix.
Reply to themadridguy:
come on, Marcelo and Sneijder are players worthy of staying.
Reply to flynn:
They are not exactly "Galactico" material and we need to trim down our squad too...only so many players can play at a time!
Speaking of Saviola, he is still only 27 .
Why don't we keep him and start playing him instead of bringing in oldie Forlan?
Reply to themadridguy:
not all 24 players in the squad can be "galactico" material.
we need these kind of players for rotation purposes.
Reply to themadridguy:
Because that would send a message out to all other clubs that Real Madrid are here to be taken for a ride. A deal was already made with Valencia. They renegged asking for more. Florentino upped his bid. But for them it still wasn't enough.
Clearly Florentino does not want to pay a Galactico fee for Villa, especially after having struck a deal with Valencia already.
If Man Utd want to pay 50 Million Euros, that's up to them.
Reply to Caracoleo:
I understand that but if Villa ends up at Barca or Man Utd. it would be horrible.
We already have been taken for a ride in the past- like paying 20 million euros to Pompey for Lass and so many other transfers such as Robben from Chelsea, Drenthe etc.
Reply to DynastyofRealMadrid:
I'm hoping against hope that the Forlan thing is just a decoy. Or maybe a way for putting pressure on Valencia to sell Villa.
You have to admit Forlan would be useful, mobile, quick, skillfull, good shooting feet... but there are questions over his longevity.
That's why I think Benzema is key. He's young. He can do every thing. Dribble, pass, shoot, drop deep, to the wings... you name it. The first season might be a difficult one for him. But you've got to admit he is sheer quality.
I don't like the idea of Drogba playing for us. I'd be put off by the sight of him flopping around all over the place and shouting at referees. Sorry. Can't have him.
Our attack should be:
Higuain Benzema
(Subs = Huntelaar + Bueno)
Reply to flynn:
I want you to name our 24 players after we get Albiol, Clichy, Maicon etc.
Also Sneijder is part of the infamous "Dutch contingent" who Perez hates.
Reply to themadridguy:
Juande and Schuster practically retired him.
They managed that situation so badly.
Reply to Caracoleo:
Hola! Why don't we just keep Higuain, Hunter and Negredo (Spanish player) and bring no striker?
Negredo might be the next big thing in Spain!
Reply to themadridguy:
Goalkeepers :
Casillas,Codina
Defenders :
Ramos,Pepe,Albiol,Garay,Metzelder,Clichy,Maicon.
Midfielders :
Mahamadou Diarra,Lassana,Gago,Sneijder,Kaka,Ronaldo,Robben,Granero,Marcelo,Palanca,Guti.
Forwards :
Raul,Higuain,Huntelaar,Bueno.
Reply to flynn:
I thought Marcelo was a LB.
That forward line doesn't inspire me much.
Gago and Palanca are real doubts.
Gago has to go, sorry.
Metzelder just booked his ticket out of Madrid lol!
LINK
Reply to themadridguy:
yeah but he's playing better as a wide player.
Gago can become the best like Redondo.
Palanca had a good debut.he should be given a chance.
I turely believe that the reason why we are unable to nurture youth squad talent into our main ranks is becsaue of a lack of continuity in our management and without a long term plan, youth players are used as collateral for short term deals to provide a quick fix to the latest huge problem.
Every new president and manager has to make his mark on the team from the moment they arrive, there is no time to develop players, the pressure is on from the moment they take over - just as it is now with Perez and Pellegrini.
If I were in their shoes I would do a deal with Valencia and trade Granero and Negredo to get Villa - even though Granero could be the best wingger in spain in a few years, but why would I risk losing my job now for that possible option unless the player in question was so good they stood out from the crowd like perhaps Messi.
Reply to flynn:
i'd like to stressed out that Gago played badly because he didnt have an experience player to count on considering Mahamadou got injured.but he'll get better with Mahamadou back and Kaka to guide him defensively and offensively.
Reply to themadridguy:
Not sure you can sustain a team with both Diarras in it. My guess is that the tall one will be sold.
The problem is that you need a replacement for Gago, and right now I can't see that happening.
Robben is most likely at the top of Perez's death list since he is the biggest signgin that calderon brought in, smae goes for Sniedjer even though I'd try to keep both.
I also think Guti has prooved he has to go.
there's been news that perez is willing to pay 80 million for Ibrahimovic !! and he might use Higuain and sneijder to lower the cost ..
anyone else think this is isane ?? either way its a huge loss for us , 80 million is way too much for a 28 year old player , and using one of our best player this season , if not the best (Higuain) to lower the price is unacceptable !! its a lose-lose situation for us !!
if perez is willing to pay that much for Ibra why cant he just pay 5 more million to valencia and get it over with ..
Reply to kid_rock:
The Ibra thing is crazy 4 sure lol!
Reply to themadridguy:
I have not been following Serie A and don't know much about Ibrahimovic. Can anyone rate him against Villa?
What little I have seen of Ibra, he didn't look that exciting to me (in CL ) .
Reply to Caracoleo:
u misunderstood what i said mate, i said "Drogba" type's of strong box striker. Vieri, Luca Toni, and Mario Gomez "TYPE", but i ain't saying that we should sign Drogba. RVN is a perfect example of this type of box striker whose footwork is very smooth. But he is already 33. And it's kinda hard for us to seek such a player.
I couldn't agree more on wut u said about Forlan and Benzema. Forlan is red hot and i believe he can get us some immediate impact. Unfortuately, it wouldn't be wise to spend more than 25 mil for a 30 yr old striker. For Benzema, we could have wait at least a year or longer(not sure) but i believe on his talent. His every single move is thrived on quality and class. he is very potential but too expensive.
i suggest to stick with Huntelaar and Pipita if Valencia is tripping on Villa's deal. Huntelaar might not be as good as those names being mentioned but he is not that bad. he is at least a national level striker who relies on other's support. If we can strengthen the midfield, i optimistically think he can have a better season. just give him more chances that he deserves to have.
Deal on Villa is down ???
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I say we go for either Ibrahimovic or Karim Benezema.. Swap Robben + Saviola + cash for ibrahimovic..
Reply to anayth:
I say we give Valencia 30 million euros + Sneijder+ VDV. Then they can sell 'em for whatever they like .
Or we should first sell these two players to raise some money for Villa, but that would require a long time, during which other clubs might swoop him.
Robben is needed on the left wing if Ribery ain't coming, which looks to be the case.
Lets just forget about villa unless valencia asks for less. we all know that villa wants to stay in spain and the 2 clubs he can go to is barca or madrid. barca will never pay over 35million euros and then valencia will come in july to madrid begging to buy villa for 25million euros + negredo. i think we shuld just wait for villa and buy 2 class defenders and xabi alonso quickly. Even if we dont get villa, we still have RVN who is going to score 35 goals with kaka and CR9 in support. This is our team next year:
Casillas
Ramos, Pepe, Alves, Clichy
Alonso, Diarra
Ronaldo, Kaka
RVN/Hunter, Higuain
Reply to themadridguy:
Or we should just swap Raul with Villa!! ha ha ha!
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Reply to DynastyofRealMadrid:
I totally agree. Sorry about the Drogba confusion.
We should definitely keep Huntelaar if Villa or Benzema don't come. He's a good box player, with a great touch.
But I'm worried. Inter are now chasing Benzema and are starting to offer a lot of cash. I know he's not the finished article. But why wait till he's on top of his game but already on millionaire wages? Get him now while it is still possible. And lets be patient with him for a year or so, because I would not expect GREAT things from him until he's had time to bed in and develop his game.
If Villa is going to Barca like they say, then we are set for another Barca treble this year.
Perez, U fool just give the Valencia dogs their 50 million Euro bone and get over with it!
Reply to themadridguy:
If Barca get Villa, then we should splash 40 million euros on Torres's signature and even things out. That would be ideal.
I think the reason why Madrid don't have many good youth players in their squad is because of their philosophy. Real Madrid and their fans feel entitled to great players. They feel like the best players should play for Madrid (which is stupid in my opinion). Barcelona's philosophy is that they feel that they should develop great players. Real Madrid demand instant success and if a manager were to call up a few youngsters, he would risk losing and he'd be fired. At Barca, if a manager DOESN'T call up youngsters, then he is fired.
It's hard to see how Madrid will win without defenders anyway. But they have certainly improved. A 6-3 scoreline wouldn't be bad at all.
LIVERPOOL4LYFE
Reply to Footyfreak:
Like in f****** hell 6-3 !
YNWA- You'll Never Win Anything
You fool how many of your own youth players are in ur team?? You are Spain lol!!
We need a new post folks!
Reply to themadridguy:
Wow you are really obsessed about David Villa. I like the strikers we have. You can argue about Higuain already being a world class striker. I still think Raul & Ruud has it.
You should know that Torres will NEVER go to Real Madrid. If Real Madrid want some good young players, there is the Castilla! But i really like how Keirrison plays from Palmerias. Him & Higuain would be amazing for years and years to come.
Reply to Madridista09:
Yeah I know Torres doesn't like Real Madrid becuz of his Atletico roots, but money talks. Liverpool are in financial trouble. Maybe they will accept a high offer for Torres.
It's just that first we had him and now he's going to Barca. That sucks!!! 
and RVN looks to be on his way out under Perez.
I'm not obsessed about Villa.
Raul is a drag on our team, I am sorry to say
According to this french reports Ribery wants to play for Real Madrid if we get him that is great news because if we sell Robben we will need a left winger and we still need a striker plus couple defenders.. LINK it will be hard to get him because bayern want so much for him
Reply to Footyfreak:
Don't say anything if u are not really knowing it deeply!! Barcelona relied on superstar like Ronaldinho and Deco either. They used them to establish a firm system and gradually plugged Messi, Iniesta, Borja.etc, into the system. Do u think it is possible to rely on Messi, Iniesta, and Pique(b4 he was loaned) to support the team couple years ago(like how they do right now)???
you are simply RUINING the young players' careers when u RELY them to carry a top team. it takes time. ANd it needs SUPERSTARS.
Reply to caracoleo:
it's cool man, nth can be perfect. Honestly, i do believe Huntelaar would be benefit with the arrivals of Kaka and CR7. the dutch striker CANNOT create things by himself like Villa, Forlan, Torres, Benzema, RVN, and Higuain. He is the type of "1-touch" strikers who goods on rebounding. He can be very dangerous inside the box. Although his terrority is kinda limited, we've got two classic attackers who can provide the extra outside the box to back him up. therefore, i do think we should turn our head on the defense first.
i've got some crazy plan if Xabi Alonso can't come. we could sign the 33 yr old Marcos Sena with a much lower price with the hookup of Pellegrini. Yes, indeed, it sounds crazy to do so while we are reforming the team. But we can LOAN Gago to where he can be promised a place in the starting lineup. And we can rely on the classic Sena for just 1 year to see if Gago is improving or not. Anyway, this is too risky, it's just my personal opinion. if we can have Lass, M.Diarra, and Sena for rotation, our midfield should have no problem. furthermore, Sena is really a classic one in such a DCM role. i wish he could be younger.....!!
Detinho, Walter, and Costa looks very promising.
Any news on which players will be promoted to the first team?
Another day goes buy. No news on the Villa deal .. I think, now we have to wait till the Concaf cup to get over for the Villa situation...
Any news on Clichy deal ..
it's freaking urgent for us to get a suitable left back!!
brand new interview with Valdano good information on whats going on with the transfers.. LINK
Reply to anayth:
Well he has rejected a move....
Reply to DynastyofRealMadrid:
Yeah but i guess its hard to find a decent left back with a decent price tag.
However, it seems that David Silva is not intransferable after all.Hopefully he'll come to Madrid.
Reply to Madridista4:
Well Valdano says Ribery and Alonso ain't coming, Ibra and Forlan are not his targets, Villa is going to Barca, Silva is intransferable according to Valencia. Then who's left LOL!
Reply to flynn:
Along with Granero.
Reply to themadridguy:
Sorry,
I addition to Gago, the following players should leave : Guti, Mahammadou and Metzelder.
Moreover, If Villa deal does not work out, i'd go for Tores rather than Trezegue or Forlan.
He is a very good striker and still young.
Reply to themadridguy:
I think we should now go after Cazorla, Benzema, Maicon or Maxwell, Bruno Alves, Albiol and we should keep Negredo, Hunter and Robben and that's it.
Reply to flynn:
exactly, Silva is gonna be cheaper and younger compared with Villa. some media said villa wants to play for madrid but Perez is only willing to pay 24 millions plus Negredo while Valencia is asking more. Barcelona looks Villa as the replacement of Eto whose future is still undecided yet. there is a funny incident in S.Africa, Villa refused to sign in a Barca jersey holding by a fan. i think this indicates his will to come to madrid. But i personally don't think it's wise to spend a huge amount this 28 classic striker while we haven't done anything to strengthen our weak defense, which should be our priority. honestly, i rather use 27 millions plus VDV and Metzelder for Lahm; and pay 43 for Silva and Albiol.
Reply to DynastyofRealMadrid:
Or maybe it means he just wants to stay at Valencia.
Screw Xabi Alonso.... Get De Rossi. That guy is aggressive as hell! Good all around player... something we need in our defencive half to give lassana more freedom....
GET DE ROSSI!! .. atleast we have good relations with Roma...
Reply to flynn:
Some options might be these...
Zhirkov,Vargas,A.Cole,P.Ferreira,R.Carlos,Riise, Maxwell,Santon,Chivu,Dossena and *Grosso*
If you saw yesterday's match (of Italy) Grosso was simply briliiant!!!
I don't think any of these mentioned would cost more than 15m so the price would be decent
Also it would be a VERY good idea to go for Ricardo Carvalho...he's reportedly unhappy at chelsea and would be an awesome signing as a low price because a centre back is kind of needed too!
Reply to Madrids_Martyr:
De Rossi is more of a destroyer than creator
Reply to Sayah:
according to Sid Lowe:
"A fax has been sent from the Bernabéu that includes the names of the club's Dutch players, as well as the former Manchester United full-back Gabriel Heinze. Robben and Van Nistelrooy are joined by their compatriots Klaas-Jan Huntelaar, Wesley Sneijder, Rafael van der Vaart and Royston Drenthe. The defensive midfielder Mahamadou Diarra and the striker Javier Saviola have also been made available."
No good news on the Villa deal yet
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i serious don't get real with robben they have one of the best wingers in the world why on earth do you want to sell him. especialy sinds it seems he doesn't get as much injured anymore. And rvn i mean sure he is old but still he is a really good striker so selling him would be stupid to. the rest of the dutchies can better go but those 2 come one ??
Reply to Danniel:
Ricardo is 31.. Last two years, were injury prone..Will chelsea sell him , after robinho saga?? Atleast 15 MM will be needed..
Why are we not after Nemanja .His family has complained about weather in England..
Reply to EvoLtc:
Raul and Guti should be on that list too! ManCity would pay back either the kaka or Ronaldo fee for one or both! I'd rather keep RVN over Raul and Robben over Guti. Add Casillas to the list...just to give him a wake up call not to intentionally sell
Reply to EvoLtc:
i read this a while ago , and i was like WTF ?
how could they let go of Hutelaar,Sneijder,Diarra,RVN, and Robben and hang on to Salgado,Raul,Guti and Javi Garcia !!
This really sucks
Reply to anayth:
If he's unhappy they probably will sell him....and for less than 15m....I don't think Vidic can be bought....if he can...then good for us XD
Reply to soccer4life:
Agreed. But Perez is out to proove that everything that Calderon is naff - therefore Robben is toast regardless of his ability as a player.
Like many things Perez does not make footballing decisions.
Personally I would have also kept VN on the bench, but of course non of us know what condition he is really in
Reply to kid_rock:
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